Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

At Walmart a XBox1 is $268.00 and PS4 is $249. You will struggle to build decent gaming machine for that much. Most of the time to get the build rig for the same price statements to be factual it includes having to buy a console and a tv.

Three years ago, the PS4 price was the more tempting deal: $399 (£349.99 / AU$549) for the console and DualShock 4 controller. Xbox One was expensive at $499 (£429 / AU$499) for the system, Xbox One controller and Kinect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV3hasqRDoU

though it's a youtube video.... 374 dollars for just the case and components.... 399 or 499 for the consoles at launch...

That's comparable since PC prices drop pretty fast for hardware. It still debunks that argument that console players have more money because they spend less on their gaming platform. With this it shows that that is completely false since you can also build a decent machine for PC for the same amount it would cost to buy a console.

To many people think that all PC gamers spend 2k+ on gaming computers which is completely false. Only those that want to show off their pocket book do. Kinda like the guy who has the lifted up truck with all the bells and whistles yet it's never been off road.

You did watch the part at 5:48 when he mention that it's $375 for hardware only, right? Then tries to say if you're going to include that you have to include the price of games. He gets that this is the weak spot of his argument, and then tries to move pass it, when frankly consoles come with an OS installed. So it's not a proper comparison without factoring thst in.

He also only gives his word for the prices, it doesn't actually prove how much was spent. For myself it's hard to trust the word of someone pulls that BS about the OS.

It's minor, but gameplay segments are heavy with jump cuts, displaying no online play. Then you'll notice he stuggled with aiming particularly with smooth target acquisition in Doom even with the shotgun, which was likely because he had a cheap mouse.

Then at the end he again shoots himself in the foot by admitting it would depend on what game was played if what he build could play it. Any game on a console catalog is playable on the console.

PC gaming is not as expensive as many make it out to be, I'll freely admit that, but in order to get a gaming rig at the cost of a console all of these caveats keep having to be added, and that's not a head to head comparison.

Considering if you're smart and know where to go you can get an OS for CP's for free right? So using that as a counter argument is weak.

The by that logic I know I guy that lives in his van and sells xbones for $60. You can't use bootlegs to by pass the cost of something. At that point all legitimacy is lost.

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

At Walmart a XBox1 is $268.00 and PS4 is $249. You will struggle to build decent gaming machine for that much. Most of the time to get the build rig for the same price statements to be factual it includes having to buy a console and a tv.

Three years ago, the PS4 price was the more tempting deal: $399 (£349.99 / AU$549) for the console and DualShock 4 controller. Xbox One was expensive at $499 (£429 / AU$499) for the system, Xbox One controller and Kinect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV3hasqRDoU

though it's a youtube video.... 374 dollars for just the case and components.... 399 or 499 for the consoles at launch...

That's comparable since PC prices drop pretty fast for hardware. It still debunks that argument that console players have more money because they spend less on their gaming platform. With this it shows that that is completely false since you can also build a decent machine for PC for the same amount it would cost to buy a console.

To many people think that all PC gamers spend 2k+ on gaming computers which is completely false. Only those that want to show off their pocket book do. Kinda like the guy who has the lifted up truck with all the bells and whistles yet it's never been off road.

You did watch the part at 5:48 when he mention that it's $375 for hardware only, right? Then tries to say if you're going to include that you have to include the price of games. He gets that this is the weak spot of his argument, and then tries to move pass it, when frankly consoles come with an OS installed. So it's not a proper comparison without factoring thst in.

He also only gives his word for the prices, it doesn't actually prove how much was spent. For myself it's hard to trust the word of someone pulls that BS about the OS.

It's minor, but gameplay segments are heavy with jump cuts, displaying no online play. Then you'll notice he stuggled with aiming particularly with smooth target acquisition in Doom even with the shotgun, which was likely because he had a cheap mouse.

Then at the end he again shoots himself in the foot by admitting it would depend on what game was played if what he build could play it. Any game on a console catalog is playable on the console.

PC gaming is not as expensive as many make it out to be, I'll freely admit that, but in order to get a gaming rig at the cost of a console all of these caveats keep having to be added, and that's not a head to head comparison.

Considering if you're smart and know where to go you can get an OS for CP's for free right? So using that as a counter argument is weak.

The by that logic I know I guy that lives in his van and sells xbones for $60. You can't use bootlegs to by pass the cost of something. At that point all legitimacy is lost.

Yeah... because Linux is a bootleg... wait it's not it's freeware. silly me.

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

At Walmart a XBox1 is $268.00 and PS4 is $249. You will struggle to build decent gaming machine for that much. Most of the time to get the build rig for the same price statements to be factual it includes having to buy a console and a tv.

Three years ago, the PS4 price was the more tempting deal: $399 (£349.99 / AU$549) for the console and DualShock 4 controller. Xbox One was expensive at $499 (£429 / AU$499) for the system, Xbox One controller and Kinect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV3hasqRDoU

though it's a youtube video.... 374 dollars for just the case and components.... 399 or 499 for the consoles at launch...

That's comparable since PC prices drop pretty fast for hardware. It still debunks that argument that console players have more money because they spend less on their gaming platform. With this it shows that that is completely false since you can also build a decent machine for PC for the same amount it would cost to buy a console.

To many people think that all PC gamers spend 2k+ on gaming computers which is completely false. Only those that want to show off their pocket book do. Kinda like the guy who has the lifted up truck with all the bells and whistles yet it's never been off road.

You did watch the part at 5:48 when he mention that it's $375 for hardware only, right? Then tries to say if you're going to include that you have to include the price of games. He gets that this is the weak spot of his argument, and then tries to move pass it, when frankly consoles come with an OS installed. So it's not a proper comparison without factoring thst in.

He also only gives his word for the prices, it doesn't actually prove how much was spent. For myself it's hard to trust the word of someone pulls that BS about the OS.

It's minor, but gameplay segments are heavy with jump cuts, displaying no online play. Then you'll notice he stuggled with aiming particularly with smooth target acquisition in Doom even with the shotgun, which was likely because he had a cheap mouse.

Then at the end he again shoots himself in the foot by admitting it would depend on what game was played if what he build could play it. Any game on a console catalog is playable on the console.

PC gaming is not as expensive as many make it out to be, I'll freely admit that, but in order to get a gaming rig at the cost of a console all of these caveats keep having to be added, and that's not a head to head comparison.

Considering if you're smart and know where to go you can get an OS for CP's for free right? So using that as a counter argument is weak.

The by that logic I know I guy that lives in his van and sells xbones for $60. You can't use bootlegs to by pass the cost of something. At that point all legitimacy is lost.

Yeah... because Linux is a bootleg... wait it's not it's freeware. silly me.

He showed Overwatch, and it like many games doesn't run on Linux.

My computer is 8 years old.... btw. My screen is much much older.
My mouse is less than a year old and my keyboard has been replaced once.. 3-4 yrs old I think.
Part of the reason I am playing ESO is it can't run Fallout 4.

I have a PS2 and I never upgraded beyond that. Mostly because I had left high school and my friends all moved away, they stopped making split screen games and forced you to pay subscription to get internet. What even is the point if you are playing the games alone?

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

At Walmart a XBox1 is $268.00 and PS4 is $249. You will struggle to build decent gaming machine for that much. Most of the time to get the build rig for the same price statements to be factual it includes having to buy a console and a tv.

Three years ago, the PS4 price was the more tempting deal: $399 (£349.99 / AU$549) for the console and DualShock 4 controller. Xbox One was expensive at $499 (£429 / AU$499) for the system, Xbox One controller and Kinect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV3hasqRDoU

though it's a youtube video.... 374 dollars for just the case and components.... 399 or 499 for the consoles at launch...

That's comparable since PC prices drop pretty fast for hardware. It still debunks that argument that console players have more money because they spend less on their gaming platform. With this it shows that that is completely false since you can also build a decent machine for PC for the same amount it would cost to buy a console.

To many people think that all PC gamers spend 2k+ on gaming computers which is completely false. Only those that want to show off their pocket book do. Kinda like the guy who has the lifted up truck with all the bells and whistles yet it's never been off road.

You did watch the part at 5:48 when he mention that it's $375 for hardware only, right? Then tries to say if you're going to include that you have to include the price of games. He gets that this is the weak spot of his argument, and then tries to move pass it, when frankly consoles come with an OS installed. So it's not a proper comparison without factoring thst in.

He also only gives his word for the prices, it doesn't actually prove how much was spent. For myself it's hard to trust the word of someone pulls that BS about the OS.

It's minor, but gameplay segments are heavy with jump cuts, displaying no online play. Then you'll notice he stuggled with aiming particularly with smooth target acquisition in Doom even with the shotgun, which was likely because he had a cheap mouse.

Then at the end he again shoots himself in the foot by admitting it would depend on what game was played if what he build could play it. Any game on a console catalog is playable on the console.

PC gaming is not as expensive as many make it out to be, I'll freely admit that, but in order to get a gaming rig at the cost of a console all of these caveats keep having to be added, and that's not a head to head comparison.

Considering if you're smart and know where to go you can get an OS for CP's for free right? So using that as a counter argument is weak.

The by that logic I know I guy that lives in his van and sells xbones for $60. You can't use bootlegs to by pass the cost of something. At that point all legitimacy is lost.

Yeah... because Linux is a bootleg... wait it's not it's freeware. silly me.

He showed Overwatch, and it like many games doesn't run on Linux.

You use a windows boot program for Linux. It basically tricks the game into thinking it's running on windows. It's not perfect, but works 99% of the time. the other 1% you might have to teak some things.

That's only really viable for fully offline games. Any games with DRM or online play the server will eventually catch you. Then starting with DX10 iirc it wasn't just that start up that need work arounds for Linux, but also further graphics processing emulators, so running those games in Linux has to be done low-res and at lowered fps.

At any rate it's a great deal of effort that could've been easily avoided by buying a console. Which ultimately is why most people choose console over pc. Less fuss. Quality of gaming experience comes off very subjective for most people if you stack it against a hassle such as that.

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

At Walmart a XBox1 is $268.00 and PS4 is $249. You will struggle to build decent gaming machine for that much. Most of the time to get the build rig for the same price statements to be factual it includes having to buy a console and a tv.

Three years ago, the PS4 price was the more tempting deal: $399 (£349.99 / AU$549) for the console and DualShock 4 controller. Xbox One was expensive at $499 (£429 / AU$499) for the system, Xbox One controller and Kinect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV3hasqRDoU

though it's a youtube video.... 374 dollars for just the case and components.... 399 or 499 for the consoles at launch...

That's comparable since PC prices drop pretty fast for hardware. It still debunks that argument that console players have more money because they spend less on their gaming platform. With this it shows that that is completely false since you can also build a decent machine for PC for the same amount it would cost to buy a console.

To many people think that all PC gamers spend 2k+ on gaming computers which is completely false. Only those that want to show off their pocket book do. Kinda like the guy who has the lifted up truck with all the bells and whistles yet it's never been off road.

You did watch the part at 5:48 when he mention that it's $375 for hardware only, right? Then tries to say if you're going to include that you have to include the price of games. He gets that this is the weak spot of his argument, and then tries to move pass it, when frankly consoles come with an OS installed. So it's not a proper comparison without factoring thst in.

He also only gives his word for the prices, it doesn't actually prove how much was spent. For myself it's hard to trust the word of someone pulls that BS about the OS.

It's minor, but gameplay segments are heavy with jump cuts, displaying no online play. Then you'll notice he stuggled with aiming particularly with smooth target acquisition in Doom even with the shotgun, which was likely because he had a cheap mouse.

Then at the end he again shoots himself in the foot by admitting it would depend on what game was played if what he build could play it. Any game on a console catalog is playable on the console.

PC gaming is not as expensive as many make it out to be, I'll freely admit that, but in order to get a gaming rig at the cost of a console all of these caveats keep having to be added, and that's not a head to head comparison.

Considering if you're smart and know where to go you can get an OS for CP's for free right? So using that as a counter argument is weak.

The by that logic I know I guy that lives in his van and sells xbones for $60. You can't use bootlegs to by pass the cost of something. At that point all legitimacy is lost.

Yeah... because Linux is a bootleg... wait it's not it's freeware. silly me.

He showed Overwatch, and it like many games doesn't run on Linux.

You use a windows boot program for Linux. It basically tricks the game into thinking it's running on windows. It's not perfect, but works 99% of the time. the other 1% you might have to teak some things.

That's only really viable for fully offline games. Any games with DRM or online play the server will eventually catch you. Then starting with DX10 iirc it wasn't just that start up that need work arounds for Linux, but also further graphics processing emulators, so running those games in Linux has to be done low-res and at lowered fps.

At any rate it's a great deal of effort that could've been easily avoided by buying a console. Which ultimately is why most people choose console over pc. Less fuss. Quality of gaming experience comes off very subjective for most people if you stack it against a hassle such as that.

I'm not arguing that it's a lot of effort to do a machine at 400 with all the bells and whistles. What I'm arguing is that it's possible and that the age old "Console players have more money than PC players because they spend less on their gaming machines" is largely false. It's like those Intel fan boys that argue the reason they buy Intel is because it uses less power than AMD and their power bill will be cheaper.

Egonieser wrote: »

PlantersLogi wrote: »

I think some of you are misinformed or have been lied too.

FFXIV patches release at the same time on PS4 and PC, never once were they separate. It's only Bethesda and Zenimax that use this excuse with their games, and quite frankly the pointing the finger for everything at Sony and MS is getting very old.

No, they just hold back the PC release until the console version is verified and ready to launch. Final Fintasy is no special snowflake that gets instant patches with no verification. If anyone is being lied to, it's you. Every console game in existence, bar from Sony/MS first party exclusives have to get verified...

This, now its plausible that the verification takes shorter time and ZoS uses the extra time to fix bugs.
Benefit is that they can patch the next night or even at once if bug is serious enough.
If this is true the version who goes to verification would be the next week update version for pc.

FFXIV has to wait with the pc version as all platforms play together as i understand so they have to do them together like pc and mac has to be done but the last is simple.

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

Really....$175-$199

That's a video card and a mouse maybe
@Xundiin

Have you built a pc in the last year or two that will run eso at a solid 1080p and 30fps?
For $399 even........it's not possible

Ppl have $800-$1,000 rigs that run 1080p and 60fps but complain about drops in trials or Cyrodil

The PC I run now was built in 2011 when the 580 GTX was top of the line.... I was getting 30 FPS at 1080..... I just replaced the GPU for 192 with taxes and shipping.... I get 60 FPS at 1080 now...

@Xundiin

OK but it's cost $399 for a freaking power supply, video card, mouse and a keyboard.
No processor or ram or a board.

If gaming pcs worth a dang only cost $399 consoles wouldn't have a market.

Someone who upgrades their gaming pc will spend at least $399 every 5 years......

Incorrect. PSU's last longer the 5 years. I've had mine for 6 at least possibly even 10.

CPU's don't need to be upgraded every 5, but you should upgrade them every 2-3. GPU's is the only thing that should be upgraded every year to 1.5 years. Mice and keyboards never need to be replaced unless you want to or they break. Ram only needs to be replaced if it breaks, new tech that you buy needs new ram tech, or you want a faster speed of ram than you already have. All in all, unless you want top performance every year, the chances of spending 399+ dollars on upgrading your PC every 5 years is slim. I know people that play games on their 10+ rigs. Try running ESO on a PS3 or Xbox 360 (if was available that is) Chances are that it wouldn't even load. Yet I bet you take a PC from when those consoles where out you could play ESO. Not on high graphics or any thing like that, but it would at least play.

Still doesn't change the fact that my 6 year old pc that is older than a PS4 and Xbox 1 out performs them.

@Xundiin

Respectfully you're now out of being taken seriously just for "gaming pc" you're telling me that you think it's logical to upgrade your GAMING pc which requires a new board, processor, ram, fan, video card, HD....at least once every 5 years and keep your psu and case?

Any logical person isn't going to not upgrade their psu once every 10 years


Waaaait....have you EVER had a psu for 10 years on a gaming machine custom built?

Let's go back on topic please.

Considering I custom build all my machines I would say yes. I also custom build machines for others... so again I would say yes. You only need to upgrade the MB if the PCU is upgraded and that depends largely on if it's Intel or AMD. AMD you can buy a board and use it through 3 CPU upgrades as long as they don't change socket types. Intel you need to buy a new board every time.

You are showing how little you know of PC building. Fans don't need to be upgraded unless they break or you want better ones. Cases can be reused over and over and over. I've used a case for 3 different builds I did for someone because they liked it. HD's never have to replaced unless you want to or they break or they are out of tech. again another piece that can be reused. Ram again doesn't need to be replaced unless you upgrade tech at the MB/CPU. I can't run new DDR 4 because my MB and CPU can't use it. Therefore it's not a valid upgrade. and since Ryzen hasn't released yet, but they are suppose to in the next month or so, it would be pointless to upgrade the CPU. There is no valid reason to upgrade a PSU unless it doesn't have enough power or enough rails to run the new GPU's and since mine is a 1000w PSU with 2 14v rails.... it can run all neww GPU's with no issues.

@Xundiin

So you're telling me that you're buying a brand new board, and CPU but using an old fan.
You're upgrading hardware but limiting the performance by using older psu and old chassis
You're recycling ram too
You're using the same HDs too


We are talking about over 5 years......
What exactly are you upgrading cause upgrading should contemplate optimal use so unless this is being done yearly (I use to do that from 1998-2006) you have to change out all the guts. It's the whole point so ideally you change for more power and graphics as well as HD and ram


If you're not doing this every 5 years, it's no longer a gaming machine cause it's mostly below specs to run pc games on very high or max settings.

Yeah, again you don't know much about PC gaming. If I bought a new PSU that was 850w to replace my 1000w one that still works perfectly fine I gain nothing... there is no upgrade. Even if the new one was a 1500w, it's still not an upgrade. When buying or using a PSU you are looking for power to run all components that you want to run. does it have enough power to do so. If yes skip this step. it's not a needed upgrade and just a waste of money. Ram doesn't need upgrading as often because the tech moves slower than CPU's and GPU's mainly because to get a 8gig stick of DDR5 would cost you 1000 dollars or more if it was even possible right now. which atm it's not. DDR4 is all we got. and we've been on DDR3 since 2001 2004 some where in there. So again, if it works and it at the speed you want there is no point in upgrading it if their is no new tech. cases.... I mean really... if you poked enough holes and set it up right you could build a PC in a cardboard box. You don't need to upgrade this if there is enough airflow. or space for water cooling if that's the way you want to go. HD... yeah, nothing has changed about these in the past 20-30 years other than size and speed. if you want to go SSD that's different. end even then you might not have to change an SSD out in an upgrade build... since you can just wipe the SSD/HD

I mean really... the only thing that you would need to replace every 5 years to stay up with current tech is MB (maybe), CPU, and GPU. That's it. Unless there is some major tech upgrade that came out you don't need to upgrade the rest. Also the fan you are talking about so called replacing... I thought you where talking about case fans.. which don't need to be replaced. The CPU fan comes with every CPU... it's included unless you go aftermarket which in that case you don't need to replace it unless it badly damaged.

@Xundiin

I'm not an expert at building gaming PCs but I've built from scratch about 10 by myself

I've been doing it since 1998 and will have a new one sometime late this year

It sounds like you are budget building meaning you're only replacing this part or that.

I'm talking about upgrading or building meaning in today's example moving from your 2011 rig to sli chips with high response video/monitor refresh rates, 4 k capable from 1080p and ideally 60+ for in the latest game

Basically if you were moving from a WoW machine you had in 2006 to your machine you had in 2011 if you only spent $399 from 2006-2011 I'd argue that you didn't do any meaningful upgrades. You just replaced something.

So from 2012-2017 timeframe your 2011 machine is going to cost you more than $399 to have the basic equivalent of an Xbox one S. that being 4K video, with 1080p gaming in HDR with a 4K blue ray player, and a nice sound card

Excluding anything else....it's impossible to upgrade your 2011 pc and not upgrade your board, CPU, video card, HD, ram even if you keep your psu and box for under $399

I know a lot about what it takes and what it costs and that's if you're doing everything yourself and not paying for any testing from your suppliers whether it's all together or individual parts

Retail or wholesale.....so

Back on topic, what comments do you have again on why ZOS has decided to roll out pc updates separate but then sync Morrowind release together?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

Really....$175-$199

That's a video card and a mouse maybe
@Xundiin

Have you built a pc in the last year or two that will run eso at a solid 1080p and 30fps?
For $399 even........it's not possible

Ppl have $800-$1,000 rigs that run 1080p and 60fps but complain about drops in trials or Cyrodil

The PC I run now was built in 2011 when the 580 GTX was top of the line.... I was getting 30 FPS at 1080..... I just replaced the GPU for 192 with taxes and shipping.... I get 60 FPS at 1080 now...

@Xundiin

OK but it's cost $399 for a freaking power supply, video card, mouse and a keyboard.
No processor or ram or a board.

If gaming pcs worth a dang only cost $399 consoles wouldn't have a market.

Someone who upgrades their gaming pc will spend at least $399 every 5 years......

Incorrect. PSU's last longer the 5 years. I've had mine for 6 at least possibly even 10.

CPU's don't need to be upgraded every 5, but you should upgrade them every 2-3. GPU's is the only thing that should be upgraded every year to 1.5 years. Mice and keyboards never need to be replaced unless you want to or they break. Ram only needs to be replaced if it breaks, new tech that you buy needs new ram tech, or you want a faster speed of ram than you already have. All in all, unless you want top performance every year, the chances of spending 399+ dollars on upgrading your PC every 5 years is slim. I know people that play games on their 10+ rigs. Try running ESO on a PS3 or Xbox 360 (if was available that is) Chances are that it wouldn't even load. Yet I bet you take a PC from when those consoles where out you could play ESO. Not on high graphics or any thing like that, but it would at least play.

Still doesn't change the fact that my 6 year old pc that is older than a PS4 and Xbox 1 out performs them.

@Xundiin

Respectfully you're now out of being taken seriously just for "gaming pc" you're telling me that you think it's logical to upgrade your GAMING pc which requires a new board, processor, ram, fan, video card, HD....at least once every 5 years and keep your psu and case?

Any logical person isn't going to not upgrade their psu once every 10 years


Waaaait....have you EVER had a psu for 10 years on a gaming machine custom built?

Let's go back on topic please.

Considering I custom build all my machines I would say yes. I also custom build machines for others... so again I would say yes. You only need to upgrade the MB if the PCU is upgraded and that depends largely on if it's Intel or AMD. AMD you can buy a board and use it through 3 CPU upgrades as long as they don't change socket types. Intel you need to buy a new board every time.

You are showing how little you know of PC building. Fans don't need to be upgraded unless they break or you want better ones. Cases can be reused over and over and over. I've used a case for 3 different builds I did for someone because they liked it. HD's never have to replaced unless you want to or they break or they are out of tech. again another piece that can be reused. Ram again doesn't need to be replaced unless you upgrade tech at the MB/CPU. I can't run new DDR 4 because my MB and CPU can't use it. Therefore it's not a valid upgrade. and since Ryzen hasn't released yet, but they are suppose to in the next month or so, it would be pointless to upgrade the CPU. There is no valid reason to upgrade a PSU unless it doesn't have enough power or enough rails to run the new GPU's and since mine is a 1000w PSU with 2 14v rails.... it can run all neww GPU's with no issues.

@Xundiin

So you're telling me that you're buying a brand new board, and CPU but using an old fan.
You're upgrading hardware but limiting the performance by using older psu and old chassis
You're recycling ram too
You're using the same HDs too


We are talking about over 5 years......
What exactly are you upgrading cause upgrading should contemplate optimal use so unless this is being done yearly (I use to do that from 1998-2006) you have to change out all the guts. It's the whole point so ideally you change for more power and graphics as well as HD and ram


If you're not doing this every 5 years, it's no longer a gaming machine cause it's mostly below specs to run pc games on very high or max settings.

Yeah, again you don't know much about PC gaming. If I bought a new PSU that was 850w to replace my 1000w one that still works perfectly fine I gain nothing... there is no upgrade. Even if the new one was a 1500w, it's still not an upgrade. When buying or using a PSU you are looking for power to run all components that you want to run. does it have enough power to do so. If yes skip this step. it's not a needed upgrade and just a waste of money. Ram doesn't need upgrading as often because the tech moves slower than CPU's and GPU's mainly because to get a 8gig stick of DDR5 would cost you 1000 dollars or more if it was even possible right now. which atm it's not. DDR4 is all we got. and we've been on DDR3 since 2001 2004 some where in there. So again, if it works and it at the speed you want there is no point in upgrading it if their is no new tech. cases.... I mean really... if you poked enough holes and set it up right you could build a PC in a cardboard box. You don't need to upgrade this if there is enough airflow. or space for water cooling if that's the way you want to go. HD... yeah, nothing has changed about these in the past 20-30 years other than size and speed. if you want to go SSD that's different. end even then you might not have to change an SSD out in an upgrade build... since you can just wipe the SSD/HD

I mean really... the only thing that you would need to replace every 5 years to stay up with current tech is MB (maybe), CPU, and GPU. That's it. Unless there is some major tech upgrade that came out you don't need to upgrade the rest. Also the fan you are talking about so called replacing... I thought you where talking about case fans.. which don't need to be replaced. The CPU fan comes with every CPU... it's included unless you go aftermarket which in that case you don't need to replace it unless it badly damaged.

@Xundiin

I'm not an expert at building gaming PCs but I've built from scratch about 10 by myself

I've been doing it since 1998 and will have a new one sometime late this year

It sounds like you are budget building meaning you're only replacing this part or that.

I'm talking about upgrading or building meaning in today's example moving from your 2011 rig to sli chips with high response video/monitor refresh rates, 4 k capable from 1080p and ideally 60+ for in the latest game

Basically if you were moving from a WoW machine you had in 2006 to your machine you had in 2011 if you only spent $399 from 2006-2011 I'd argue that you didn't do any meaningful upgrades. You just replaced something.

So from 2012-2017 timeframe your 2011 machine is going to cost you more than $399 to have the basic equivalent of an Xbox one S. that being 4K video, with 1080p gaming in HDR with a 4K blue ray player, and a nice sound card

Excluding anything else....it's impossible to upgrade your 2011 pc and not upgrade your board, CPU, video card, HD, ram even if you keep your psu and box for under $399

I know a lot about what it takes and what it costs and that's if you're doing everything yourself and not paying for any testing from your suppliers whether it's all together or individual parts

Retail or wholesale.....so

Back on topic, what comments do you have again on why ZOS has decided to roll out pc updates separate but then sync Morrowind release together?

Then you wasted a bunch of money. If you have DDR3 1800 ram from 2011 and you do an up grade build and find that your ram still runs at 1800 speeds with a memtest.... there is absolutely no reason to upgrade that.... unless you go to 2100... which is like 1% performance... and you can't even tell the difference between that 1%. So it's a waste. Upgrading a PSU that has all the qualifications needed to run a brand new build with today's tech all brand new parts is a waste of money. You gain NOTHING from upgrading. at all.... ever... not even .0000000000000000000001%.

If nothing has changed in tech in that area when you are upgrading and you buy a new part for it just for the sake of it being new... that's a waste.. It's as bad as the guy who replaces his engine in a mustang gt just because he wants a new engine. All the specs are exactly the same. So yes... for someone that supposedly has been building since 1998 you sure don't know much.

CPU's don't need to be upgraded as often as you think they do. The only part in your entire system that needs constant upgrades is the GPU to stay at top end gaming. That's it. if you have the money to do a full rebuild and want all new parts then go for it.... but choosing not to replace parts that don't need to be replaced when there has been no advancement in that piece doesn't mean you aren't upgrading.

Budget building is different than upgrading with common sense.

2011 i did a full rebuild replaced all parts except maybe the case and PSU. 2017. No reason to replace the CPU since there hasn't been any major breakthroughs in either AMD or Intel and I won't buy Intel. So no point is side grading a CPU. Since I'm not upgrading my CPU I don't need to upgrade my MB. I also run and aftermarket heat sink that doesn't need to be replace. Ram is 1800 DDR3.... since I didn't upgrade my CPU, I can't upgrade my ram since AMD doesn't make a CPU that can support it. So again no need to replace the MB. PSU can run SLI/Xfire so no reason to upgrade that. HD works fine 2 tb Barracuda black edition 7800 RPMs. Will be going to SSD, but waiting for Ryzen and the new Vega cards to release. So no need to really upgrade. Case works just as well as it did when I bought it... all 6 fans still running with no noise at max RPMS... so yeah pointless to replace that. CD roms both work fine.. no reason to upgrade those.... besides what has changed in CD roms in the past 20 years. So that leaves what... the GPU... so yeah... upgraded for 192 dollars.... huh... I used common sense and look... upgraded for less than a console... golly gee look at that.

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Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

Really....$175-$199

That's a video card and a mouse maybe
@Xundiin

Have you built a pc in the last year or two that will run eso at a solid 1080p and 30fps?
For $399 even........it's not possible

Ppl have $800-$1,000 rigs that run 1080p and 60fps but complain about drops in trials or Cyrodil

The PC I run now was built in 2011 when the 580 GTX was top of the line.... I was getting 30 FPS at 1080..... I just replaced the GPU for 192 with taxes and shipping.... I get 60 FPS at 1080 now...

@Xundiin

OK but it's cost $399 for a freaking power supply, video card, mouse and a keyboard.
No processor or ram or a board.

If gaming pcs worth a dang only cost $399 consoles wouldn't have a market.

Someone who upgrades their gaming pc will spend at least $399 every 5 years......

Incorrect. PSU's last longer the 5 years. I've had mine for 6 at least possibly even 10.

CPU's don't need to be upgraded every 5, but you should upgrade them every 2-3. GPU's is the only thing that should be upgraded every year to 1.5 years. Mice and keyboards never need to be replaced unless you want to or they break. Ram only needs to be replaced if it breaks, new tech that you buy needs new ram tech, or you want a faster speed of ram than you already have. All in all, unless you want top performance every year, the chances of spending 399+ dollars on upgrading your PC every 5 years is slim. I know people that play games on their 10+ rigs. Try running ESO on a PS3 or Xbox 360 (if was available that is) Chances are that it wouldn't even load. Yet I bet you take a PC from when those consoles where out you could play ESO. Not on high graphics or any thing like that, but it would at least play.

Still doesn't change the fact that my 6 year old pc that is older than a PS4 and Xbox 1 out performs them.

@Xundiin

Respectfully you're now out of being taken seriously just for "gaming pc" you're telling me that you think it's logical to upgrade your GAMING pc which requires a new board, processor, ram, fan, video card, HD....at least once every 5 years and keep your psu and case?

Any logical person isn't going to not upgrade their psu once every 10 years


Waaaait....have you EVER had a psu for 10 years on a gaming machine custom built?

Let's go back on topic please.

Considering I custom build all my machines I would say yes. I also custom build machines for others... so again I would say yes. You only need to upgrade the MB if the PCU is upgraded and that depends largely on if it's Intel or AMD. AMD you can buy a board and use it through 3 CPU upgrades as long as they don't change socket types. Intel you need to buy a new board every time.

You are showing how little you know of PC building. Fans don't need to be upgraded unless they break or you want better ones. Cases can be reused over and over and over. I've used a case for 3 different builds I did for someone because they liked it. HD's never have to replaced unless you want to or they break or they are out of tech. again another piece that can be reused. Ram again doesn't need to be replaced unless you upgrade tech at the MB/CPU. I can't run new DDR 4 because my MB and CPU can't use it. Therefore it's not a valid upgrade. and since Ryzen hasn't released yet, but they are suppose to in the next month or so, it would be pointless to upgrade the CPU. There is no valid reason to upgrade a PSU unless it doesn't have enough power or enough rails to run the new GPU's and since mine is a 1000w PSU with 2 14v rails.... it can run all neww GPU's with no issues.

@Xundiin

So you're telling me that you're buying a brand new board, and CPU but using an old fan.
You're upgrading hardware but limiting the performance by using older psu and old chassis
You're recycling ram too
You're using the same HDs too


We are talking about over 5 years......
What exactly are you upgrading cause upgrading should contemplate optimal use so unless this is being done yearly (I use to do that from 1998-2006) you have to change out all the guts. It's the whole point so ideally you change for more power and graphics as well as HD and ram


If you're not doing this every 5 years, it's no longer a gaming machine cause it's mostly below specs to run pc games on very high or max settings.

Yeah, again you don't know much about PC gaming. If I bought a new PSU that was 850w to replace my 1000w one that still works perfectly fine I gain nothing... there is no upgrade. Even if the new one was a 1500w, it's still not an upgrade. When buying or using a PSU you are looking for power to run all components that you want to run. does it have enough power to do so. If yes skip this step. it's not a needed upgrade and just a waste of money. Ram doesn't need upgrading as often because the tech moves slower than CPU's and GPU's mainly because to get a 8gig stick of DDR5 would cost you 1000 dollars or more if it was even possible right now. which atm it's not. DDR4 is all we got. and we've been on DDR3 since 2001 2004 some where in there. So again, if it works and it at the speed you want there is no point in upgrading it if their is no new tech. cases.... I mean really... if you poked enough holes and set it up right you could build a PC in a cardboard box. You don't need to upgrade this if there is enough airflow. or space for water cooling if that's the way you want to go. HD... yeah, nothing has changed about these in the past 20-30 years other than size and speed. if you want to go SSD that's different. end even then you might not have to change an SSD out in an upgrade build... since you can just wipe the SSD/HD

I mean really... the only thing that you would need to replace every 5 years to stay up with current tech is MB (maybe), CPU, and GPU. That's it. Unless there is some major tech upgrade that came out you don't need to upgrade the rest. Also the fan you are talking about so called replacing... I thought you where talking about case fans.. which don't need to be replaced. The CPU fan comes with every CPU... it's included unless you go aftermarket which in that case you don't need to replace it unless it badly damaged.

@Xundiin

I'm not an expert at building gaming PCs but I've built from scratch about 10 by myself

I've been doing it since 1998 and will have a new one sometime late this year

It sounds like you are budget building meaning you're only replacing this part or that.

I'm talking about upgrading or building meaning in today's example moving from your 2011 rig to sli chips with high response video/monitor refresh rates, 4 k capable from 1080p and ideally 60+ for in the latest game

Basically if you were moving from a WoW machine you had in 2006 to your machine you had in 2011 if you only spent $399 from 2006-2011 I'd argue that you didn't do any meaningful upgrades. You just replaced something.

So from 2012-2017 timeframe your 2011 machine is going to cost you more than $399 to have the basic equivalent of an Xbox one S. that being 4K video, with 1080p gaming in HDR with a 4K blue ray player, and a nice sound card

Excluding anything else....it's impossible to upgrade your 2011 pc and not upgrade your board, CPU, video card, HD, ram even if you keep your psu and box for under $399

I know a lot about what it takes and what it costs and that's if you're doing everything yourself and not paying for any testing from your suppliers whether it's all together or individual parts

Retail or wholesale.....so

Back on topic, what comments do you have again on why ZOS has decided to roll out pc updates separate but then sync Morrowind release together?

Then you wasted a bunch of money. If you have DDR3 1800 ram from 2011 and you do an up grade build and find that your ram still runs at 1800 speeds with a memtest.... there is absolutely no reason to upgrade that.... unless you go to 2100... which is like 1% performance... and you can't even tell the difference between that 1%. So it's a waste. Upgrading a PSU that has all the qualifications needed to run a brand new build with today's tech all brand new parts is a waste of money. You gain NOTHING from upgrading. at all.... ever... not even .0000000000000000000001%.

If nothing has changed in tech in that area when you are upgrading and you buy a new part for it just for the sake of it being new... that's a waste.. It's as bad as the guy who replaces his engine in a mustang gt just because he wants a new engine. All the specs are exactly the same. So yes... for someone that supposedly has been building since 1998 you sure don't know much.

CPU's don't need to be upgraded as often as you think they do. The only part in your entire system that needs constant upgrades is the GPU to stay at top end gaming. That's it. if you have the money to do a full rebuild and want all new parts then go for it.... but choosing not to replace parts that don't need to be replaced when there has been no advancement in that piece doesn't mean you aren't upgrading.

Budget building is different than upgrading with common sense.

2011 i did a full rebuild replaced all parts except maybe the case and PSU. 2017. No reason to replace the CPU since there hasn't been any major breakthroughs in either AMD or Intel and I won't buy Intel. So no point is side grading a CPU. Since I'm not upgrading my CPU I don't need to upgrade my MB. I also run and aftermarket heat sink that doesn't need to be replace. Ram is 1800 DDR3.... since I didn't upgrade my CPU, I can't upgrade my ram since AMD doesn't make a CPU that can support it. So again no need to replace the MB. PSU can run SLI/Xfire so no reason to upgrade that. HD works fine 2 tb Barracuda black edition 7800 RPMs. Will be going to SSD, but waiting for Ryzen and the new Vega cards to release. So no need to really upgrade. Case works just as well as it did when I bought it... all 6 fans still running with no noise at max RPMS... so yeah pointless to replace that. CD roms both work fine.. no reason to upgrade those.... besides what has changed in CD roms in the past 20 years. So that leaves what... the GPU... so yeah... upgraded for 192 dollars.... huh... I used common sense and look... upgraded for less than a console... golly gee look at that.

@Xundiin
That's budget replacing not building or upgrading so anyone who doesn't have a gaming PC CANNOT upgrade or BUILd a gaming pc for $399 or less man in 2016-2017
So getting BACK on TOPIC!

What r ur thoughts on the current cadence of updates vs the sync in June

./facepalm

No point in using logic with you... nice to see nothing has changed on your end. You're always great to have around for a great laugh.

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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

Really....$175-$199

That's a video card and a mouse maybe
@Xundiin

Have you built a pc in the last year or two that will run eso at a solid 1080p and 30fps?
For $399 even........it's not possible

Ppl have $800-$1,000 rigs that run 1080p and 60fps but complain about drops in trials or Cyrodil

The PC I run now was built in 2011 when the 580 GTX was top of the line.... I was getting 30 FPS at 1080..... I just replaced the GPU for 192 with taxes and shipping.... I get 60 FPS at 1080 now...

@Xundiin

OK but it's cost $399 for a freaking power supply, video card, mouse and a keyboard.
No processor or ram or a board.

If gaming pcs worth a dang only cost $399 consoles wouldn't have a market.

Someone who upgrades their gaming pc will spend at least $399 every 5 years......

Incorrect. PSU's last longer the 5 years. I've had mine for 6 at least possibly even 10.

CPU's don't need to be upgraded every 5, but you should upgrade them every 2-3. GPU's is the only thing that should be upgraded every year to 1.5 years. Mice and keyboards never need to be replaced unless you want to or they break. Ram only needs to be replaced if it breaks, new tech that you buy needs new ram tech, or you want a faster speed of ram than you already have. All in all, unless you want top performance every year, the chances of spending 399+ dollars on upgrading your PC every 5 years is slim. I know people that play games on their 10+ rigs. Try running ESO on a PS3 or Xbox 360 (if was available that is) Chances are that it wouldn't even load. Yet I bet you take a PC from when those consoles where out you could play ESO. Not on high graphics or any thing like that, but it would at least play.

Still doesn't change the fact that my 6 year old pc that is older than a PS4 and Xbox 1 out performs them.

@Xundiin

Respectfully you're now out of being taken seriously just for "gaming pc" you're telling me that you think it's logical to upgrade your GAMING pc which requires a new board, processor, ram, fan, video card, HD....at least once every 5 years and keep your psu and case?

Any logical person isn't going to not upgrade their psu once every 10 years


Waaaait....have you EVER had a psu for 10 years on a gaming machine custom built?

Let's go back on topic please.

Considering I custom build all my machines I would say yes. I also custom build machines for others... so again I would say yes. You only need to upgrade the MB if the PCU is upgraded and that depends largely on if it's Intel or AMD. AMD you can buy a board and use it through 3 CPU upgrades as long as they don't change socket types. Intel you need to buy a new board every time.

You are showing how little you know of PC building. Fans don't need to be upgraded unless they break or you want better ones. Cases can be reused over and over and over. I've used a case for 3 different builds I did for someone because they liked it. HD's never have to replaced unless you want to or they break or they are out of tech. again another piece that can be reused. Ram again doesn't need to be replaced unless you upgrade tech at the MB/CPU. I can't run new DDR 4 because my MB and CPU can't use it. Therefore it's not a valid upgrade. and since Ryzen hasn't released yet, but they are suppose to in the next month or so, it would be pointless to upgrade the CPU. There is no valid reason to upgrade a PSU unless it doesn't have enough power or enough rails to run the new GPU's and since mine is a 1000w PSU with 2 14v rails.... it can run all neww GPU's with no issues.

@Xundiin

So you're telling me that you're buying a brand new board, and CPU but using an old fan.
You're upgrading hardware but limiting the performance by using older psu and old chassis
You're recycling ram too
You're using the same HDs too


We are talking about over 5 years......
What exactly are you upgrading cause upgrading should contemplate optimal use so unless this is being done yearly (I use to do that from 1998-2006) you have to change out all the guts. It's the whole point so ideally you change for more power and graphics as well as HD and ram


If you're not doing this every 5 years, it's no longer a gaming machine cause it's mostly below specs to run pc games on very high or max settings.

Yeah, again you don't know much about PC gaming. If I bought a new PSU that was 850w to replace my 1000w one that still works perfectly fine I gain nothing... there is no upgrade. Even if the new one was a 1500w, it's still not an upgrade. When buying or using a PSU you are looking for power to run all components that you want to run. does it have enough power to do so. If yes skip this step. it's not a needed upgrade and just a waste of money. Ram doesn't need upgrading as often because the tech moves slower than CPU's and GPU's mainly because to get a 8gig stick of DDR5 would cost you 1000 dollars or more if it was even possible right now. which atm it's not. DDR4 is all we got. and we've been on DDR3 since 2001 2004 some where in there. So again, if it works and it at the speed you want there is no point in upgrading it if their is no new tech. cases.... I mean really... if you poked enough holes and set it up right you could build a PC in a cardboard box. You don't need to upgrade this if there is enough airflow. or space for water cooling if that's the way you want to go. HD... yeah, nothing has changed about these in the past 20-30 years other than size and speed. if you want to go SSD that's different. end even then you might not have to change an SSD out in an upgrade build... since you can just wipe the SSD/HD

I mean really... the only thing that you would need to replace every 5 years to stay up with current tech is MB (maybe), CPU, and GPU. That's it. Unless there is some major tech upgrade that came out you don't need to upgrade the rest. Also the fan you are talking about so called replacing... I thought you where talking about case fans.. which don't need to be replaced. The CPU fan comes with every CPU... it's included unless you go aftermarket which in that case you don't need to replace it unless it badly damaged.

@Xundiin

I'm not an expert at building gaming PCs but I've built from scratch about 10 by myself

I've been doing it since 1998 and will have a new one sometime late this year

It sounds like you are budget building meaning you're only replacing this part or that.

I'm talking about upgrading or building meaning in today's example moving from your 2011 rig to sli chips with high response video/monitor refresh rates, 4 k capable from 1080p and ideally 60+ for in the latest game

Basically if you were moving from a WoW machine you had in 2006 to your machine you had in 2011 if you only spent $399 from 2006-2011 I'd argue that you didn't do any meaningful upgrades. You just replaced something.

So from 2012-2017 timeframe your 2011 machine is going to cost you more than $399 to have the basic equivalent of an Xbox one S. that being 4K video, with 1080p gaming in HDR with a 4K blue ray player, and a nice sound card

Excluding anything else....it's impossible to upgrade your 2011 pc and not upgrade your board, CPU, video card, HD, ram even if you keep your psu and box for under $399

I know a lot about what it takes and what it costs and that's if you're doing everything yourself and not paying for any testing from your suppliers whether it's all together or individual parts

Retail or wholesale.....so

Back on topic, what comments do you have again on why ZOS has decided to roll out pc updates separate but then sync Morrowind release together?

Then you wasted a bunch of money. If you have DDR3 1800 ram from 2011 and you do an up grade build and find that your ram still runs at 1800 speeds with a memtest.... there is absolutely no reason to upgrade that.... unless you go to 2100... which is like 1% performance... and you can't even tell the difference between that 1%. So it's a waste. Upgrading a PSU that has all the qualifications needed to run a brand new build with today's tech all brand new parts is a waste of money. You gain NOTHING from upgrading. at all.... ever... not even .0000000000000000000001%.

If nothing has changed in tech in that area when you are upgrading and you buy a new part for it just for the sake of it being new... that's a waste.. It's as bad as the guy who replaces his engine in a mustang gt just because he wants a new engine. All the specs are exactly the same. So yes... for someone that supposedly has been building since 1998 you sure don't know much.

CPU's don't need to be upgraded as often as you think they do. The only part in your entire system that needs constant upgrades is the GPU to stay at top end gaming. That's it. if you have the money to do a full rebuild and want all new parts then go for it.... but choosing not to replace parts that don't need to be replaced when there has been no advancement in that piece doesn't mean you aren't upgrading.

Budget building is different than upgrading with common sense.

2011 i did a full rebuild replaced all parts except maybe the case and PSU. 2017. No reason to replace the CPU since there hasn't been any major breakthroughs in either AMD or Intel and I won't buy Intel. So no point is side grading a CPU. Since I'm not upgrading my CPU I don't need to upgrade my MB. I also run and aftermarket heat sink that doesn't need to be replace. Ram is 1800 DDR3.... since I didn't upgrade my CPU, I can't upgrade my ram since AMD doesn't make a CPU that can support it. So again no need to replace the MB. PSU can run SLI/Xfire so no reason to upgrade that. HD works fine 2 tb Barracuda black edition 7800 RPMs. Will be going to SSD, but waiting for Ryzen and the new Vega cards to release. So no need to really upgrade. Case works just as well as it did when I bought it... all 6 fans still running with no noise at max RPMS... so yeah pointless to replace that. CD roms both work fine.. no reason to upgrade those.... besides what has changed in CD roms in the past 20 years. So that leaves what... the GPU... so yeah... upgraded for 192 dollars.... huh... I used common sense and look... upgraded for less than a console... golly gee look at that.

@Xundiin
That's budget replacing not building or upgrading so anyone who doesn't have a gaming PC CANNOT upgrade or BUILd a gaming pc for $399 or less man in 2016-2017
So getting BACK on TOPIC!

What r ur thoughts on the current cadence of updates vs the sync in June

./facepalm

It's upgrading... I'm replacing a part in my machine that makes it run at a higher performance level.... that's what upgrading is. You do not need to replace every part to be called an upgrade. I see that you still haven't gained any common sense. I had some hope that some would sink in over the past year, but I see you're still the joke you where before.

@Xundiin

No cause you're not upgrading your whole PC. You may have replaced your card or upgraded your vid card but you're not upgrading the whole thing. I think you've lost context to the discussion.

You argued that people can build or upgrade their pc to a gaming pc for $399

Common sense is that in order to go from a non gaming machine to a gaming relevant machine
-GPU
-CPU
-ram
-psu
-fan
-HD
-sound card
-board

All of that has to go and be replaced or if you have no pc at all, that's the bare plus a monitor, keyboard and mouse
That is what we are talking about and watch the insults cause I'm not disrespecting you

Just stop.... you're ignorance is showing. I even posted a video of someone building a gaming PC for 400... but yeah lets continue to ignore facts and pretend...

So today I saw a purple unicorn.. it was grand. I tried to capture it, but a leprechaun tied my shoe laces together. Damn pests. Lucky the fairies where kind enough to untie them for me, but the unicorn was gone.

Oh... and gremlins is why PC gets updates before consoles.

PC Mustard Race to the rescue! MUSTARD FOR EVERYONE!!! YEEHEE!

@Xundiin
Bruh you are arguing that ppl can buy the equivalent of an Xbox one S or PS4 pro for $400

Look at those builds and look at the comparable if each console were a pc
You're bareboning it and this doesn't include everything someone who doesn't have a gaming pc will need. OS, etc

It is an insult as well because your choice of words seeks to cause harm or degrade me.
It's also not a lack of knowledge cause those builds aren't better than the consoles because the only thing you need for console is a tv. $399 or less and ur set until next gen

These may upgrade your pc or ppl with gaming pcs

Guess we playing on existing TV or what not and no mouse or gaming keyboards and no controller?