PlantersLogi wrote: »

I think some of you are misinformed or have been lied too.

FFXIV patches release at the same time on PS4 and PC, never once were they separate. It's only Bethesda and Zenimax that use this excuse with their games, and quite frankly the pointing the finger for everything at Sony and MS is getting very old.

Thats due to the PC patch being held back until the console patch is verified.

Because consoles should have never been invented.

I always wondered if this was actually true or not. Games like cod and BF release updates all at once. Bar when ms wanted it like a day before Sony etc. But pc never got bf3/4 and the latest one all rolled out at the same time.

Me thinks they just don't trust zos and want to monitor what they are doing on pc 1st. Like a probation period lol.

Count that as a compliment, we are the pts of consoles

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

I always wondered if this was actually true or not. Games like cod and BF release updates all at once. Bar when ms wanted it like a day before Sony etc. But pc never got bf3/4 and the latest one all rolled out at the same time.

Me thinks they just don't trust zos and want to monitor what they are doing on pc 1st. Like a probation period lol.

We in the PC master race prefer the term "guinea pig".

While, we as console proletariat prefer the term "valued customer".

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Aye, there's been a few broken games in my time. Barring dlc, Alpha Protocol is the game that jumps out. One of only 3 games I've literally never been able to complete due to game breakers. The other 2 were PC games. Daggerfall and one of the STALKER games (Clear Skies I think). All the other shockers I've managed to find my way to the end if I wanted to persevere.

Clear Sky was a mess. The STALKER games were always kinda janky, but that was a whole other level of borked. I can't remember Alpha Protocol being horribly broken (except from a balance standpoint), and I know I did at least 2 full playthroughs (because I remember starting NG++, can't remember if I ever finished that one, though).

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

At Walmart a XBox1 is $268.00 and PS4 is $249. You will struggle to build decent gaming machine for that much. Most of the time to get the build rig for the same price statements to be factual it includes having to buy a console and a tv.

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

Really....$175-$199

That's a video card and a mouse maybe
@Xundiin

Have you built a pc in the last year or two that will run eso at a solid 1080p and 30fps?
For $399 even........it's not possible

Ppl have $800-$1,000 rigs that run 1080p and 60fps but complain about drops in trials or Cyrodil

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

ZOS send the updates out at the same time but XBOX and PS4 need to verify the content and that usually takes about 2 weeks. That is why we have a delay to see what PC already has. It is not ZOS, but Sony and Microsoft that cause the delay

Yeah, I made the supposedly terrible mistake once of suggesting ZOS somehow hold back the PC and Mac Updates until the Console ones get approved, so everyone gets the Update same day. I was immediately set upon as "Selfish" and a Troll.

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

At Walmart a XBox1 is $268.00 and PS4 is $249. You will struggle to build decent gaming machine for that much. Most of the time to get the build rig for the same price statements to be factual it includes having to buy a console and a tv.

Three years ago, the PS4 price was the more tempting deal: $399 (£349.99 / AU$549) for the console and DualShock 4 controller. Xbox One was expensive at $499 (£429 / AU$499) for the system, Xbox One controller and Kinect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV3hasqRDoU

though it's a youtube video.... 374 dollars for just the case and components.... 399 or 499 for the consoles at launch...

That's comparable since PC prices drop pretty fast for hardware. It still debunks that argument that console players have more money because they spend less on their gaming platform. With this it shows that that is completely false since you can also build a decent machine for PC for the same amount it would cost to buy a console.

To many people think that all PC gamers spend 2k+ on gaming computers which is completely false. Only those that want to show off their pocket book do. Kinda like the guy who has the lifted up truck with all the bells and whistles yet it's never been off road.

You did watch the part at 5:48 when he mention that it's $375 for hardware only, right? Then tries to say if you're going to include that you have to include the price of games. He gets that this is the weak spot of his argument, and then tries to move pass it, when frankly consoles come with an OS installed. So it's not a proper comparison without factoring thst in.

He also only gives his word for the prices, it doesn't actually prove how much was spent. For myself it's hard to trust the word of someone pulls that BS about the OS.

It's minor, but gameplay segments are heavy with jump cuts, displaying no online play. Then you'll notice he stuggled with aiming particularly with smooth target acquisition in Doom even with the shotgun, which was likely because he had a cheap mouse.

Then at the end he again shoots himself in the foot by admitting it would depend on what game was played if what he build could play it. Any game on a console catalog is playable on the console.

PC gaming is not as expensive as many make it out to be, I'll freely admit that, but in order to get a gaming rig at the cost of a console all of these caveats keep having to be added, and that's not a head to head comparison.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

Really....$175-$199

That's a video card and a mouse maybe
@Xundiin

Have you built a pc in the last year or two that will run eso at a solid 1080p and 30fps?
For $399 even........it's not possible

Ppl have $800-$1,000 rigs that run 1080p and 60fps but complain about drops in trials or Cyrodil

The PC I run now was built in 2011 when the 580 GTX was top of the line.... I was getting 30 FPS at 1080..... I just replaced the GPU for 192 with taxes and shipping.... I get 60 FPS at 1080 now...

@Xundiin

OK but it's cost $399 for a freaking power supply, video card, mouse and a keyboard.
No processor or ram or a board.

If gaming pcs worth a dang only cost $399 consoles wouldn't have a market.

Someone who upgrades their gaming pc will spend at least $399 every 5 years......

Incorrect. PSU's last longer the 5 years. I've had mine for 6 at least possibly even 10.

CPU's don't need to be upgraded every 5, but you should upgrade them every 2-3. GPU's is the only thing that should be upgraded every year to 1.5 years. Mice and keyboards never need to be replaced unless you want to or they break. Ram only needs to be replaced if it breaks, new tech that you buy needs new ram tech, or you want a faster speed of ram than you already have. All in all, unless you want top performance every year, the chances of spending 399+ dollars on upgrading your PC every 5 years is slim. I know people that play games on their 10+ rigs. Try running ESO on a PS3 or Xbox 360 (if was available that is) Chances are that it wouldn't even load. Yet I bet you take a PC from when those consoles where out you could play ESO. Not on high graphics or any thing like that, but it would at least play.

Still doesn't change the fact that my 6 year old pc that is older than a PS4 and Xbox 1 out performs them.

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.

@Junipus
This makes no sense at all

If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spend

"PC's cost more".... well hate to break it to you, but you can build a decent gaming machine for the same cost of a console and it would out perform it.

At Walmart a XBox1 is $268.00 and PS4 is $249. You will struggle to build decent gaming machine for that much. Most of the time to get the build rig for the same price statements to be factual it includes having to buy a console and a tv.

Three years ago, the PS4 price was the more tempting deal: $399 (£349.99 / AU$549) for the console and DualShock 4 controller. Xbox One was expensive at $499 (£429 / AU$499) for the system, Xbox One controller and Kinect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV3hasqRDoU

though it's a youtube video.... 374 dollars for just the case and components.... 399 or 499 for the consoles at launch...

That's comparable since PC prices drop pretty fast for hardware. It still debunks that argument that console players have more money because they spend less on their gaming platform. With this it shows that that is completely false since you can also build a decent machine for PC for the same amount it would cost to buy a console.

To many people think that all PC gamers spend 2k+ on gaming computers which is completely false. Only those that want to show off their pocket book do. Kinda like the guy who has the lifted up truck with all the bells and whistles yet it's never been off road.

You did watch the part at 5:48 when he mention that it's $375 for hardware only, right? Then tries to say if you're going to include that you have to include the price of games. He gets that this is the weak spot of his argument, and then tries to move pass it, when frankly consoles come with an OS installed. So it's not a proper comparison without factoring thst in.

He also only gives his word for the prices, it doesn't actually prove how much was spent. For myself it's hard to trust the word of someone pulls that BS about the OS.

It's minor, but gameplay segments are heavy with jump cuts, displaying no online play. Then you'll notice he stuggled with aiming particularly with smooth target acquisition in Doom even with the shotgun, which was likely because he had a cheap mouse.

Then at the end he again shoots himself in the foot by admitting it would depend on what game was played if what he build could play it. Any game on a console catalog is playable on the console.

PC gaming is not as expensive as many make it out to be, I'll freely admit that, but in order to get a gaming rig at the cost of a console all of these caveats keep having to be added, and that's not a head to head comparison.

Considering if you're smart and know where to go you can get an OS for PC's for free right? So using that as a counter argument is weak.

Also you have to factor in that Jay has admitted to being a poor FPS player... that doesn't help the argument either. he has great information about builds and tech testing and so forth for those who like PC's, and that's why I used his video. But watching him play FPS games hurts... a lot sometimes.