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Why does PC always gets updates ahead of consoles ?
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DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭ZOS send the updates out at the same time but XBOX and PS4 need to verify the content and that usually takes about 2 weeks. That is why we have a delay to see what PC already has. It is not ZOS, but Sony and Microsoft that cause the delay19 -
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Beat me to it...DurzoBlint13 wrote: »ZOS send the updates out at the same time but XBOX and PS4 need to verify the content and that usually takes about 2 weeks. That is why we have a delay to see what PC already has. It is not ZOS, but Sony and Microsoft that cause the delay
As Durzo said; MS and Sony have a verification process for any updates/content that a developer wants to put on their services. In order to make sure that that new update/content wont break LIVE/PSN or contain damaging content to the games, they take two weeks to crawl over and verify that the new stuff won't do anything bad.
So, Consoles get a two week wait before content becomes available.
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✭✭✭✭Its because consoles have middle man. Zos have to share spoils with microsoft, sony, etc.0 -
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Does this apply on all updates, the executable yes, however patches who do fixes in the game database on client and perhaps updates files like textures and objects.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Beat me to it...DurzoBlint13 wrote: »ZOS send the updates out at the same time but XBOX and PS4 need to verify the content and that usually takes about 2 weeks. That is why we have a delay to see what PC already has. It is not ZOS, but Sony and Microsoft that cause the delay
As Durzo said; MS and Sony have a verification process for any updates/content that a developer wants to put on their services. In order to make sure that that new update/content wont break LIVE/PSN or contain damaging content to the games, they take two weeks to crawl over and verify that the new stuff won't do anything bad.
So, Consoles get a two week wait before content becomes available.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
jaye63✭✭✭✭Because Xbox and PS need MS and Sony approval.
The truth? Because that's the order they decided to do it in from the beginning. Just like your teachers would line you up by your last name. Anderson went first and Wyatt went last. PC first because that's where Elderscrolls started and consoles next. I dont see how it's been such a mystery.1 -
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Cause ZOS chooses to do it this way and they seem to have decided to use PC PTS and PC live as quality testing. It's actually not due to certification because you could develop and submit for a unified launch IF they wanted to. Some say that holds PC back but no they could release pc Monday, Xbox or PS Tuesday and the other Wednesday as well and push pc patches as needed while console updates would only hit after certification.
It's just a decision and strategy of comfort or habit is all
They could release it at the same time because Morrowind is hitting that way it seems but I'd be careful what's cause the forums alone and live pc chat suggest 95% of updates should've have been released as is on PCEdited by NewBlacksmurf on February 8, 2017 3:04PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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It generally applies to all updates, but there are exceptions. If there's an update that somehow gets through, but absolutely breaks the game; then the following "hot fixes" get queued for an expedited verification process, so that the hot fix can be applied faster to fix what broke the game.
Does this apply on all updates, the executable yes, however patches who do fixes in the game database on client and perhaps updates files like textures and objects.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Beat me to it...DurzoBlint13 wrote: »ZOS send the updates out at the same time but XBOX and PS4 need to verify the content and that usually takes about 2 weeks. That is why we have a delay to see what PC already has. It is not ZOS, but Sony and Microsoft that cause the delay
As Durzo said; MS and Sony have a verification process for any updates/content that a developer wants to put on their services. In order to make sure that that new update/content wont break LIVE/PSN or contain damaging content to the games, they take two weeks to crawl over and verify that the new stuff won't do anything bad.
So, Consoles get a two week wait before content becomes available.
But for updates like Homestead and Morrowind; or game adjustment updates like the (fairly) regular balance updates and tweaks, then those still go through the whole verification process.
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✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Beat me to it...DurzoBlint13 wrote: »ZOS send the updates out at the same time but XBOX and PS4 need to verify the content and that usually takes about 2 weeks. That is why we have a delay to see what PC already has. It is not ZOS, but Sony and Microsoft that cause the delay
As Durzo said; MS and Sony have a verification process for any updates/content that a developer wants to put on their services. In order to make sure that that new update/content wont break LIVE/PSN or contain damaging content to the games, they take two weeks to crawl over and verify that the new stuff won't do anything bad.
So, Consoles get a two week wait before content becomes available.
A dev spoke up about this around the time No Man's Sky was released and it has nothing to do with whether or not the patch breaks the game. Hell, we've seen some poor initial released content from Bethesda themselves to know this is correct. The Pitt on the 360 was a shambles. The other stand out one was the return to Ostegar (sp) we got on the 360 for Dragon Age.1 -
DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
It generally applies to all updates, but there are exceptions. If there's an update that somehow gets through, but absolutely breaks the game; then the following "hot fixes" get queued for an expedited verification process, so that the hot fix can be applied faster to fix what broke the game.
Does this apply on all updates, the executable yes, however patches who do fixes in the game database on client and perhaps updates files like textures and objects.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Beat me to it...DurzoBlint13 wrote: »ZOS send the updates out at the same time but XBOX and PS4 need to verify the content and that usually takes about 2 weeks. That is why we have a delay to see what PC already has. It is not ZOS, but Sony and Microsoft that cause the delay
As Durzo said; MS and Sony have a verification process for any updates/content that a developer wants to put on their services. In order to make sure that that new update/content wont break LIVE/PSN or contain damaging content to the games, they take two weeks to crawl over and verify that the new stuff won't do anything bad.
So, Consoles get a two week wait before content becomes available.
But for updates like Homestead and Morrowind; or game adjustment updates like the (fairly) regular balance updates and tweaks, then those still go through the whole verification process.
this! I have only seen a couple "Hotfixes" that were applied to everyone at the same time, and these were pretty major fixes to issues that were being exploited or abused. Mostly we console peasants have to wait to see most updates and fixes, but there are exceptions to every rule0 -
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Either to "verify" the content or so "master race" make sure they report all the glitches so console experience is smooth come launch dayEdited by mb10 on February 8, 2017 3:18PM2 -
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They can push fixes to PC a lot faster than console. So PC "beta tests" console releasesBeta tester November 20131 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Beat me to it...DurzoBlint13 wrote: »ZOS send the updates out at the same time but XBOX and PS4 need to verify the content and that usually takes about 2 weeks. That is why we have a delay to see what PC already has. It is not ZOS, but Sony and Microsoft that cause the delay
As Durzo said; MS and Sony have a verification process for any updates/content that a developer wants to put on their services. In order to make sure that that new update/content wont break LIVE/PSN or contain damaging content to the games, they take two weeks to crawl over and verify that the new stuff won't do anything bad.
So, Consoles get a two week wait before content becomes available.
A dev spoke up about this around the time No Man's Sky was released and it has nothing to do with whether or not the patch breaks the game. Hell, we've seen some poor initial released content from Bethesda themselves to know this is correct. The Pitt on the 360 was a shambles. The other stand out one was the return to Ostegar (sp) we got on the 360 for Dragon Age.
Exactly, there are other Deb's who've commented on it as well, it literally comes down to each developers production schedules and staff as well as capabilities.
ZOS decided to do it this way so that's how it happens.
Heck they could also release consoles first cause they know they can patch PC whenever but it's their decision-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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jaye63✭✭✭✭IF you wanna go thru a LOT of hassle, you go thru console first get approvals, sit on Sony's and MS's .... lap... But if you do PC first, then they're running to you *ME NEXT ME NEXT!!!* It's the corporate BS that you dont have to deal with when you do PC. Im surprised they even bother with console since Sony and MS are such *** about procedures and specific coding.
If I were Bethesda I'd tell the console companies ... well... I cant say that in the forum.
FYI- I have every NES and PS console there is. Im not a console hater. I'm a *Do it our way* hater. Sony and MS can bite me.1 -
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Thats why certain streamers were sent to Zen HQ."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IF you wanna go thru a LOT of hassle, you go thru console first get approvals, sit on Sony's and MS's .... lap... But if you do PC first, then they're running to you *ME NEXT ME NEXT!!!* It's the corporate BS that you dont have to deal with when you do PC. Im surprised they even bother with console since Sony and MS are such *** about procedures and specific coding.
If I were Bethesda I'd tell the console companies ... well... I cant say that in the forum.
FYI- I have every NES and PS console there is. Im not a console hater. I'm a *Do it our way* hater. Sony and MS can bite me.
......reality is this.....
There are more people if you offer your product to consoles therefore financially speaking, it would be idiotic to do what you're suggesting-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Junipus✭✭✭✭✭Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.The Legendary Nothing0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Because console players typically tend to be younger and poorer and therefore more likely to collect benefits and other handouts at the beginning of the week so ZOS are helping motivate them by forcing them offline later in the week. In contrast, PC players tend to be older and in a better financial situation so a Monday patch during working hours affects them less than it would towards the end of the week where they'd tend to take their flexible working from home days.
@Junipus
This makes no sense at all
If we accept your comments as is, wouldn't the younger market be more appropriate to market to as they all have guardians who are how you mention those on PC as being. PCs cost more so all things being reasonable, those on consoles have more money left to spendEdited by NewBlacksmurf on February 8, 2017 3:34PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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If you read my later post, I address this as well. But regardless of what that Dev says, MIcrosoft and Sony have said that it's pretty much exactly as I described it.Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Beat me to it...DurzoBlint13 wrote: »ZOS send the updates out at the same time but XBOX and PS4 need to verify the content and that usually takes about 2 weeks. That is why we have a delay to see what PC already has. It is not ZOS, but Sony and Microsoft that cause the delay
As Durzo said; MS and Sony have a verification process for any updates/content that a developer wants to put on their services. In order to make sure that that new update/content wont break LIVE/PSN or contain damaging content to the games, they take two weeks to crawl over and verify that the new stuff won't do anything bad.
So, Consoles get a two week wait before content becomes available.
A dev spoke up about this around the time No Man's Sky was released and it has nothing to do with whether or not the patch breaks the game. Hell, we've seen some poor initial released content from Bethesda themselves to know this is correct. The Pitt on the 360 was a shambles. The other stand out one was the return to Ostegar (sp) we got on the 360 for Dragon Age.
But for your searching ease, here's my later post:Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
It generally applies to all updates, but there are exceptions. If there's an update that somehow gets through, but absolutely breaks the game; then the following "hot fixes" get queued for an expedited verification process, so that the hot fix can be applied faster to fix what broke the game.
Does this apply on all updates, the executable yes, however patches who do fixes in the game database on client and perhaps updates files like textures and objects.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Beat me to it...DurzoBlint13 wrote: »ZOS send the updates out at the same time but XBOX and PS4 need to verify the content and that usually takes about 2 weeks. That is why we have a delay to see what PC already has. It is not ZOS, but Sony and Microsoft that cause the delay
As Durzo said; MS and Sony have a verification process for any updates/content that a developer wants to put on their services. In order to make sure that that new update/content wont break LIVE/PSN or contain damaging content to the games, they take two weeks to crawl over and verify that the new stuff won't do anything bad.
So, Consoles get a two week wait before content becomes available.
But for updates like Homestead and Morrowind; or game adjustment updates like the (fairly) regular balance updates and tweaks, then those still go through the whole verification process.
twitch.tv/vampire_nox
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I missed that.
It's just a myth that he verification process is to check for game breakers and LIVE/PSN threats. It's is all about the documentation provided alongside the dlc/game and nothing really to do with what's contained within the digital content itself. Not aimed at you, but do people seriously think both Sony and MS have a lot of people who sit there and sift through every piece of dlc and game? That would take some man power.
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✭✭✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »
I missed that.
It's just a myth that he verification process is to check for game breakers and LIVE/PSN threats. It's is all about the documentation provided alongside the dlc/game and nothing really to do with what's contained within the digital content itself. Not aimed at you, but do people seriously think both Sony and MS have a lot of people who sit there and sift through every piece of dlc and game? That would take some man power.
They are suggesting that the console verification process DOES NOT check for game breaks. On console the game has been broken a few times. Broken in terms of being literally unplayable in part or in full
-they are also correct on the documentation part but not correct on Xbox live threats-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »
I missed that.
It's just a myth that he verification process is to check for game breakers and LIVE/PSN threats. It's is all about the documentation provided alongside the dlc/game and nothing really to do with what's contained within the digital content itself. Not aimed at you, but do people seriously think both Sony and MS have a lot of people who sit there and sift through every piece of dlc and game? That would take some man power.
They are suggesting that the console verification process DOES NOT check for game breaks. On console the game has been broken a few times. Broken in terms of being literally unplayable in part or in full
-they are also correct on the documentation part but not correct on Xbox live threats
I stand corrected.
Aye, there's been a few broken games in my time. Barring dlc, Alpha Protocol is the game that jumps out. One of only 3 games I've literally never been able to complete due to game breakers. The other 2 were PC games. Daggerfall and one of the STALKER games (Clear Skies I think). All the other shockers I've managed to find my way to the end if I wanted to persevere.1
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