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Ice Furnace Heavy Armour Set, why Weapon Damage Bonus?

Special_Bradley
This Set is so involved with Magicka but yet, it's forth item bonus is Weapon damage! WTF ZOS?

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I'm sorry that I didn't include "Keep the Weapon Damage bonus" to the poll. Hit Enter by mistake but me a good reason why they should keep the weapon damage.
Edited by Special_Bradley on October 3, 2016 5:44PM
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Ice Furnace Heavy Armour Set, why Weapon Damage Bonus? 53 votes

Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
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Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Critical.
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TotallyNotVossusmitds 2 votes
Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
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BirdovicZhegToRelaxEdziuOtarTheMadMinalanDerraBurritoESOIzakiKaiDynasty 10 votes
  • Silver_Strider
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
    I'd be fine with ANY change to help magic builds because as it currently stands, I can't justify using this set due to that dead stat and the fact the 5 piece doesn't proc on DoTs
    Argonian forever
  • TheDarkRuler
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
    I would love to get this set updated.
    And while you're at it make it actually work the way it says in the tooltip!
    Make it work on any ice damage (DoT too) and without internal cooldown!
  • Derra
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    The better question is: Why does it not procc on damage over time frost dmg?

    Even with a fix to the weapondmg bonus it´s entirely useless until the 5p bonus gets fixed to procc on wall of elements and frost touch.
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  • PS4_ZeColmeia
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    You forgot the leave as is, which is what I choose because it's one of very few sets that is like this.
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  • Minalan
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    I said 'max magicka' because spell damage would make it the same as winterborn set.
  • leepalmer95
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    Pretty sure this has been changed already
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  • r.jan_emailb16_ESO
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    There's weapon damage because ZOS doesn't give two *** obviously. They rather introduce a metric ton of new sets.
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  • Derra
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    Pretty sure this has been changed already

    pretty sure is oftentimes not enough.

    It still has a weapondmgbonus and it is still bugged in terms of functionality regarding damage over time effects with frost dmg.
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  • Birdovic
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    On reddit, ZOS did a AMA(ask me anything)

    I asked for some underwhelming sets to be updated (like Ice Heart, Shadowrend) and also Ice Furnace.
    Wrobel answered me and said they will look into it.

    .. That was a PTS patch ago.
    Edited by Birdovic on October 3, 2016 9:16PM
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  • STEVIL
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
    Minalan wrote: »
    I said 'max magicka' because spell damage would make it the same as winterborn set.

    isnt winterborn magica recovery not spell crit?

    i went with spell damage so that all the lower bonuses - max mag crit damage help the final element - damage that scales off or benefits from those.

    And i mentioned this a while back in the itemization thread but no idea if they heard it.

    i hope it changes too.

    one of the last remnants of skewed sets leftover from earlier points in the design.

    and you know anything to help make frost mage viable.
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  • Birdovic
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    I'd prefer them to replace Weapon Damage with Spell Damage and Spellcrit with Max Magicka ._.
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  • Minalan
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    STEVIL wrote: »
    Minalan wrote: »
    I said 'max magicka' because spell damage would make it the same as winterborn set.

    isnt winterborn magica recovery not spell crit?

    i went with spell damage so that all the lower bonuses - max mag crit damage help the final element - damage that scales off or benefits from those.

    And i mentioned this a while back in the itemization thread but no idea if they heard it.

    i hope it changes too.

    one of the last remnants of skewed sets leftover from earlier points in the design.

    and you know anything to help make frost mage viable.

    I don't think a 400 something damage (batttle spirit) AOE proc effect is viable.

    I'm thinking harder hitting (5-6K), 100% proc chance, single target, and 4 second proc CD on par with the viper sting poison damage set. But that'all never happen.
  • Izaki
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    Its much easier stack max magicka on a mage build yet i'm seeing a lot of peeps voting for spell damage... Don't get it.
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  • Minalan
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    Its much easier stack max magicka on a mage build yet i'm seeing a lot of peeps voting for spell damage... Don't get it.

    I try to balance personally. 3K spell damage and around 40K-42K max magicka seems a reasonable compromise.

    Spell damage people sit around 4-5K spell damage and 30-35K max magicka. They hit like a truck with alchemist proc/julianos/dual wield, drinks keep their magicka regen high, and they generally have higher crit than a max magicka build.

    Max magicka people sit around 50K max magicka and 2K-2.5K spell damage.

  • OtarTheMad
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    This is one of the many sets that slipped through the cracks when they reintroduced some old sets. Like someone else said, spell used to be scaled off of weapon damage... so this wasn't a bad set back in the day.

    Be nice if they fixed it, might give magicka build some boost/option.
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  • cschwingeb14_ESO
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
    They would have to make Winter Bourne a 100% proc chance with a 6s cooldown to make it as good as Viper.

    Ice Furnace has no chance
  • STEVIL
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
    isnt viper a like 7k damage one target auto on melee hit with a 4s cooldown?

    if so, assuming magica dmg is fixed for 4pc, this is about 1k dmg to all targets aoe and ranged. So looks like the break even point is 3-4 targets IF one can keep the frost damage flying... which any decent destro can.

    but honestly what we really truly need is for the 4pc bonus to be all magic and elemental damage turns into cold damage.

    THAT would be cool!
    Edited by STEVIL on October 4, 2016 12:43AM
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  • Birdovic
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    but honestly what we really truly need is for the 4pc bonus to be all magic and elemental damage turns into cold damage.

    Would be cool.

    Here some more options.

    Of course we keep this:

    Weapon Damage -> Spell Damage
    Spell Crit -> Max Magicka/Max Health



    Option 1 )
    5pc Bonus: "50% chance when damaging target with Frost to also deal Frost Damage to enemies in a 8m radius."


    Option 2 )
    5pc Bonus: "When a Target is damaged with a fully charged heavy attack from a Frost Staff, every elemental damage dealt for 20 seconds is turned into Frost Damage. This effect has a cooldown of 30 seconds".

    Option 2.5)
    5pc Bonus: Same as Option 2 but instead turns Shock Damage only into Frost Damage. I think the Sorcerer makes more sense controlling multiple elements ^^



    Why Option 1:
    - Replacing Fire Damage with Frost = Many Chances to proc Frost Damage based Sets
    - Who would use this set for Fire Damage anyway :smiley:

    Why Option 2:
    - Replacing Fire Damage with Frost = Many Chances to proc Frost Damage based Sets
    - Sorcerers and Dragonknights now can turn into "Frost Mages/Knights" which opens up new Build Options, even without combining it with other Frost Sets.

    Why Option 2.5:
    - The Sorcerer should have more ways to be played like, thats all :D
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  • TheDarkRuler
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
    Minalan wrote: »
    STEVIL wrote: »
    Minalan wrote: »
    I said 'max magicka' because spell damage would make it the same as winterborn set.

    isnt winterborn magica recovery not spell crit?

    i went with spell damage so that all the lower bonuses - max mag crit damage help the final element - damage that scales off or benefits from those.

    And i mentioned this a while back in the itemization thread but no idea if they heard it.

    i hope it changes too.

    one of the last remnants of skewed sets leftover from earlier points in the design.

    and you know anything to help make frost mage viable.

    I don't think a 400 something damage (batttle spirit) AOE proc effect is viable.

    I'm thinking harder hitting (5-6K), 100% proc chance, single target, and 4 second proc CD on par with the viper sting poison damage set. But that'all never happen.

    Why?
    if Ice Furnace was to work like ToolTip says, i'd be a reliable constant fire burst in addition to the regular cold damage. damage could be increased though.

    Just copy'ing it to be a bad viper imitate is just weak, bro.
    Why not make all armor sets Viper and all monster helmets Velidreth cuz its so fun.
    (This was irony, in case u missed it)
    Edited by TheDarkRuler on October 4, 2016 9:33AM
  • TheDarkRuler
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
    - just ignore, double post-
    Edited by TheDarkRuler on October 4, 2016 9:33AM
  • Tyrion87
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
    Well, this is the worst and the most impractical set in the game. The weapon dmg bonus is an obvious oversight which should be fixed (not "changed"). And in addition to replacing weapon dmg with spell dmg, the fifth bonus should deal frost (not flame) damage - combined with winterborn set they both would be perfect for those wanting to be frost mages.
  • Special_Bradley
    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
    - just ignore, double post-

    I just want to increase the concern of this almost pointless set and try to get this set recognised to ZOS (if that's even possible).
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  • PS4_ZeColmeia
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    Don't change the weapon damage. It makes the set tbh.
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  • PS4_ZeColmeia
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    Actually the only reason I bought it was for the weapon damage
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  • Derra
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    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Max Magicka.
    Actually the only reason I bought it was for the weapon damage

    Could you point me the direction where weapondmg is any useful in combination with frostdmg which in every form scales of spelldmg or has a fixed value?
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  • PS4_ZeColmeia
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    **pst** look at the crafted sets for db **pst**
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  • Special_Bradley
    Change the Weapon Damage Bonus to Spell Damage.
    **pst** look at the crafted sets for db **pst**

    Do you mean Dark Brotherhood? *wispers back quietly*
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  • PS4_ZeColmeia
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    ;)
    Edited by PS4_ZeColmeia on October 8, 2016 2:48PM
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    With the Warden coming out in June, perhaps we will be able to use this set more
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