Warden class in - Nightblade Out

Olen_Mikko
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Zenimax's pure hatred towards Nightblades is clear. They want to force NB players to move on to Warden class, while swiftly they're nerfing nightblades to the point that even stamplar with bare fists would beat them silly.

There's just no other explanation. Sorcs and MagDK's are more powerful with this "balance" patch, while YAYYYYY WE GET A NICE AND IMPROVED SHADOW IMAGE!!!1111

After Morrowind patch, im pretty sure that NB's are worst than before 1.6 patch.

Developer's comments:

- NBs need to think more tactical... Like the earlier nerfs isn't forcing us to think tactically enough...
NB enthusiastic:
  1. Woodhippie stamblade - DW hard-hitter / PvE
  2. Know-it-all elf Magblade - Healer / PvE & PvP
  3. Hate-them-all elf Magblade - Destrostaff AoE monster / PvE
  4. Cyrodiil-Refugee stamblade - Stamina Tank / PvE

Go dominion or go home

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  • Greevir
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  • mb10
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    Nightblades are by far the weakest class now it's quite sad that I hardly even see nightblades anymore in PVP. All just heavy armour templars and DKs
  • Isellskooma
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    Nerf Nightblade
  • Dubhliam
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    The proc set meta forced players into building their characters more tanky, therefore making HA a prevalent armor in PvP.
    This in turn damaged the efficiency of the classic gank builds, in which Nightblades excel.

    Proc sets are getting nerfed, and this will most likely lead to more diverse armor setups in PvP.

    Therefore, gankblades might become viable once again.

    If not, don't simply come to the forums crying. ADAPT to the situation if your current setup isn't efficient.
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  • Dracane
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    Stamina Nightblades will only suffer from the proc set nerf. So they can no longer deactivate their brains and just one shot gank everyone, at least not as easy as before. Now, there are better chances for the victim to survive the ambush.

    Ganking just got harder, so we probably will see less gankers.
    Magicka Nightblade tanks can be very potent now, I can see that being a thing. Because they no longer need to spread their CPs as much.

    Stamina Nightblades could profit from heavy armor nerfs. We might see more light armor and medium armor users now, that would be free AP for any stamina nightblade if you get the first hit anyway. So despite some nerfs, I actually see more potential for stamina NBs pvp wise. Incap strike is just as strong as it used to be, it just got a liddle bit more expensive, that's merely a few seconds difference if at all. Proc sets are still best in slot for stamina builds, so you can just carry on basically.

    Many stamboys will now try magicka again (already saw)so many of them converting. So people will, overall, not build so tanky anymore because magicka is about dps and not burst. This opens the door for remaining Stamblades to exploit that.
    Edited by Dracane on February 6, 2017 1:52PM
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  • alainjbrennanb16_ESO
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    please mag dk's have had no loving for nearly 2 years, i also have a nb which pumps out just as much damage as other classes there is a trick to it (no not ganking) just means re-looking at ur nb because most miss the trick
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  • altemriel
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    wait, pls post more details, which NB nerfs are you talking about?


    edit: I was not checking the patch notes few months now...
    Edited by altemriel on February 6, 2017 1:53PM
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    You're joking right?
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  • Bakkagami
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    Dubhliam wrote: »
    The proc set meta forced players into building their characters more tanky, therefore making HA a prevalent armor in PvP.
    This in turn damaged the efficiency of the classic gank builds, in which Nightblades excel.

    Proc sets are getting nerfed, and this will most likely lead to more diverse armor setups in PvP.

    Therefore, gankblades might become viable once again.

    If not, don't simply come to the forums crying. ADAPT to the situation if your current setup isn't efficient.

    Finally someone on forum that realizes you can actually adapt to changes.
  • Isellskooma
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    The only buff Nightblade needs is make shade placeable with out targeting.
  • MythicEmperor
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    My magblade is dead. I switched to sorc now, and with the same exact gear, I do around 6-8k more DPS.
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  • Izaki
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    Dubhliam wrote: »
    The proc set meta forced players into building their characters more tanky, therefore making HA a prevalent armor in PvP.
    This in turn damaged the efficiency of the classic gank builds, in which Nightblades excel.

    Proc sets are getting nerfed, and this will most likely lead to more diverse armor setups in PvP.

    Therefore, gankblades might become viable once again.

    If not, don't simply come to the forums crying. ADAPT to the situation if your current setup isn't efficient.

    @Dubhliam You're only looking at one side of the game.

    In PvE Magicka Nightblade is the 2nd worst DPS class. Stamina Nightblade is 3rd worst (most terrible being Stamina Templar). Tell me this is normal. How do you adapt to this? You don't. It doesn't matter how much you practice your rotation, other specs will always be better. The setups are the same in PvE for most magicka and stamina classes. So yeah, night blades are in a very bad spot overall in PvE.

    Look at Sorcs and DKs who excel at DPS in both magicka and stamina specs. Magicka Templars output insane amounts of damage especially in execute phase, although the stamina spec is quite frankly horrible. NBs have both specs in the bottom tier of damage.

    In PvP? Magicka Nightblades are amazing in duels, but in open world they are a less bursty and less tanky version of a Magicka Sorcerer. Stamina Nightblades aren't exactly good either outside of ganking, in open world, other stamina specs have considerably more survivability. Sure there's Troll King and perma dodging. Relying on a few particular sets to be viable? This is not balance dude.
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  • altemriel
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    The only buff Nightblade needs is make shade placeable with out targeting.



    and is cloak fixed already?
  • alephthiago
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    I main 2 nightblades and imo what you are saying is BOLLOCKS (always wanted to use that word).

    ZOS doesnt hate nightblades (well, maybe magicka ones) and the few nerfs we got were kinda expected (well, maybe not in soul harvest).
    Stamblade is still one of the strongest bursty classes in the game.
    Magblades are still the funniest and complex goofyballs from before and arguably the best bombers in pvp.
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  • Olen_Mikko
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    Dubhliam wrote: »
    If not, don't simply come to the forums crying. ADAPT to the situation if your current setup isn't efficient.

    Ofc i will adapt, but it is so freaking frustrating that once viable class is hammered down every single patch.
    NB enthusiastic:
    1. Woodhippie stamblade - DW hard-hitter / PvE
    2. Know-it-all elf Magblade - Healer / PvE & PvP
    3. Hate-them-all elf Magblade - Destrostaff AoE monster / PvE
    4. Cyrodiil-Refugee stamblade - Stamina Tank / PvE

    Go dominion or go home

    Nightblade-Hipster. I played Nightblade before it was cool - from 1.5 onwards.
  • zammo
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    The only buff Nightblade needs is make shade placeable with out targeting.

    I want this so much...
  • MakoFore
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    Without a proc build- one on one the night blade class simply can't compete with the other 3 in cyrodil any more. unless u gank with another NB, or have the viper, clever alchemist, poison meta- hit the guy out of cloak , etc- basically run a cheese build- u simply cannot bring down a good player in the last few patches. u an be an annoying guy- and take out alot of players- but magplars, DKs, stam sorcs, all basically have a sign over them inviting u to try and take them one on one- which ironically actually encourages nightbldes to do the gank thing, pair up and run the meta.

    a skilled night blade can be absolutely devastating - most dangerous class on the map potentially, as has always been the case.

    i play all the classes- so i dont have a horse in the race- but i can honestly say - - it takes a highly skilled night blade to bring down a mediocre magplar tank. u gotta cloak , run precise combos constantly and walk a thin like to beat a class that can just perma block cast jabs and shards. no minor/major mending- to mitigate damage u have to basically retreat into cloak, then come back out weaving a heavy , incap, or a SA- LA, ambush , combo, etc-simply put- its a lot more buttons to press in a tighter frame.
    Edited by MakoFore on February 6, 2017 2:07PM
  • MakoFore
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    but having said that - it always flips with these imbalance issues. two patches ago- everyone in cyrodil was a night blade, so to see them as the underdogs is kinda new. I'm sure it ll come around , it always does. it tips too far one way -then they go all the way to the other. besides in a few months- cyrodils gonna be full of wardens- trying to come up with interesting new builds with it- the new girl on the block. which is going to be interesting to say the least.
    Edited by MakoFore on February 6, 2017 2:11PM
  • Kawall
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    Olen_Mikko wrote: »
    Zenimax's pure hatred towards Nightblades is clear. They want to force NB players to move on to Warden class, while swiftly they're nerfing nightblades to the point that even stamplar with bare fists would beat them silly.

    There's just no other explanation. Sorcs and MagDK's are more powerful with this "balance" patch, while YAYYYYY WE GET A NICE AND IMPROVED SHADOW IMAGE!!!1111

    After Morrowind patch, im pretty sure that NB's are worst than before 1.6 patch.

    Developer's comments:

    - NBs need to think more tactical... Like the earlier nerfs isn't forcing us to think tactically enough...

    If we're talking about pvp, nightblades unmatched. If enemy nightblade is a decent one, you'll get one shot.
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    zammo wrote: »
    The only buff Nightblade needs is make shade placeable with out targeting.

    I want this so much...

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  • AzuraKin
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    please mag dk's have had no loving for nearly 2 years, i also have a nb which pumps out just as much damage as other classes there is a trick to it (no not ganking) just means re-looking at ur nb because most miss the trick

    i stopped carrying about being any form of max damage dps on my mage blades long ago. now i just focus on team support, vicious death, transmutation, spc.
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  • Derra
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    olsborg wrote: »
    zammo wrote: »
    The only buff Nightblade needs is make shade placeable with out targeting.

    I want this so much...

    +

    i wish i had screenshotted when you admitted that realisticly there is no way for you to die to a single player even with the current shade mechanic.
    but yeah buff shade :no_mouth:
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  • Knootewoot
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    Kawall wrote: »
    Olen_Mikko wrote: »
    Zenimax's pure hatred towards Nightblades is clear. They want to force NB players to move on to Warden class, while swiftly they're nerfing nightblades to the point that even stamplar with bare fists would beat them silly.

    There's just no other explanation. Sorcs and MagDK's are more powerful with this "balance" patch, while YAYYYYY WE GET A NICE AND IMPROVED SHADOW IMAGE!!!1111

    After Morrowind patch, im pretty sure that NB's are worst than before 1.6 patch.

    Developer's comments:

    - NBs need to think more tactical... Like the earlier nerfs isn't forcing us to think tactically enough...

    If we're talking about pvp, nightblades unmatched. If enemy nightblade is a decent one, you'll get one shot.

    With nightblade and one shot you mean stamblades and not the other forgotten half magblade.

    Already planning to play Warden and have my magblade put into a dungeon forever.

    I so look forward to play shield and sword and bow with medium armor Warden and hopefully a fox or something as a pet.

    Yeah magblades are in a bad spot, especially melee magblades. Still, for normal content I still love to play as one and I am a hell of a scout in PvP. Currently I don't fight in PvP, just scout, report and do troll sieges.
    Edited by Knootewoot on February 6, 2017 2:30PM
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  • Vaoh
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    mb10 wrote: »
    Nightblades are by far the weakest class now it's quite sad that I hardly even see nightblades anymore in PVP. All just heavy armour templars and DKs

    It's incredible what people tell themselves :lol:

    I see more Stam Nightblades than any other class spec, and those are the ones I DO see.
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    You clearly didn't read patch notes.
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  • Knightpanther
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    Where there's PvPer, there will always be nerfs, and more nerfs and class balance (yep nerfs).

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  • EdTerra
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    After Morrowind patch, im pretty sure that NB's are worst than before 1.6 patch.

    wut ? are u saying that NB were really bad in 1.5 ? are you for real ?
    Edited by EdTerra on February 6, 2017 3:13PM
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  • Celas_Dranacea
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    Career stamblade here - feeling fine
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  • Astanphaeus
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    Dubhliam wrote: »
    The proc set meta forced players into building their characters more tanky, therefore making HA a prevalent armor in PvP.
    This in turn damaged the efficiency of the classic gank builds, in which Nightblades excel.

    Proc sets are getting nerfed, and this will most likely lead to more diverse armor setups in PvP.

    Therefore, gankblades might become viable once again.

    If not, don't simply come to the forums crying. ADAPT to the situation if your current setup isn't efficient.

    A nerf to critability does barely anything in PvP. That said, the slight nerf to Black Rose for stam players may make medium armor more prevalent.
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