Conceptualization of third world class "Daedra"

techprince · February 2017

Werewolves and Vampires have become way too common. How about third world class which is becoming a lesser daedra itself?

Dragonknights will turn into Dremora with its respective appearance changes. It will add a new skill line instead of complete transformation.
Nightblade will turn into Dark Seducers with its respective appearance changes. It will add a new skill line instead of complete transformation.
Templar will turn into Aurorans / Golden Saint with its respective appearance changes. It will add a new skill line instead of complete transformation.
Sorcerer will turn into Xivilai with its respective appearance changes. It will add a new skill line instead of complete transformation.
Warden will turn into Knights of Order with its respective appearance changes. It will add a new skill line instead of complete transformation.

The combination of class and daedric form is simply due to their theme. However one should be able to choose between 2 forms for each class atleast.

We already have some of the costumes ingame. How about making it "default" when you become a lesser daedra?
Ofcouse the few quests might need some adjusting with it. Your thoughts?

Parasaurolophus · February 2017

Its impossible. You a mortal.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

You are right.

Both Vamp and WW are far too common.

Best way to fix that is NOT to add another "world class", but to make the penalties for being a Vamp or WW much, much harsher.

All The Best

techprince · February 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

You are right.

Both Vamp and WW are far too common.

Best way to fix that is NOT to add another "world class", but to make the penalties for being a Vamp or WW much, much harsher.

All The Best

This is not a "balancing" thread, stop making everything about balance and PvP.

Mashille · February 2017

Sounds cool. But having different skill lines for different classes I don't like. The appearance things are cool, but not different skills lines.

Tabbycat · February 2017

Summon Golden Saint anyone?

Something something mages guild skill?

I don't think we need to turn into anything but a summons would be nice. I think there was also a summon Dremora something or other, I'll have to look up the Morrowind summoning spells and edit.

Here we go: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Conjuration

techprince · February 2017

Mashille wrote: »

Sounds cool. But having different skill lines for different classes I don't like. The appearance things are cool, but not different skills lines.

Then whats the benefit of becoming one? you already have costumes just for looks.

techprince · February 2017

Tabbycat wrote: »

Summon Golden Saint anyone?

Something something mages guild skill?

Golden Saint fits nicely for Templars.

Cadbury · February 2017

Is this more for RP or actual use in game?

techprince · February 2017

Cadbury wrote: »

Is this more for RP or actual use in game?

Both.

Mashille · February 2017

@techprince

I still think there should be a skill line, just not 5 different ones for different classes

Jitterbug · February 2017

Do daedric beings have free will to even pick which quest of do next?
Could they appear anywhere on any map to do anything but cause mayhem and chaos?
Aren't they just the godmode version of volatile familiar?

Cadbury · February 2017

How would one become a lesser daedra? If it's through a quest, then we'll have the same issue as now with ww/vamp being overabundant.

Plus, players might have an issue being restricted to 1 or 2 choices. Why can't my Templar be a Dark Seducer or a Knight of Order?

Oakmontowls_ESO · February 2017

But the vestige already is a type of Daedra. That's how we can respawn like we do.

ArchMikem · February 2017

Werewolves and Vampires aren't preexisting Races that you can transform into. They exist only because Mortals transform into those forms via curse or infection.

Daedra are preexisting Races native to the realms of Oblivion. It's different.

Not to mention anyone, regardless of race, gender, or class can choose either Vampirism or Lycanthropy. Your idea restricts player choice depending on Class.

Inhuman003 · February 2017

Third world skill line can happen with transformation spell. But if transformation spell do happen in the near future it should be like the vampires and werewolf you can only choose one.

techprince · February 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Werewolves and Vampires aren't preexisting Races that you can transform into. They exist only because Mortals transform into those forms via curse or infection.

Daedra are preexisting Races native to the realms of Oblivion. It's different.

Not to mention anyone, regardless of race, gender, or class can choose either Vampirism or Lycanthropy. Your idea restricts player choice depending on Class.

I simply put them according to their theme. However one should be able to choose from 2 types atleast.

mb10 · February 2017

lol read the lore before posting stuff like that

sorry, no offence.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

techprince wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

You are right.

Both Vamp and WW are far too common.

Best way to fix that is NOT to add another "world class", but to make the penalties for being a Vamp or WW much, much harsher.

All The Best

This is not a "balancing" thread, stop making everything about balance and PvP.

I never even mentioned balance or PvP - so please stop accusing me of stuff I haven't done.

I was thinking of it primarily from an RP and Lore point of view.

In Lore both Vampirism and Lycanthropy have significant associated weaknesses in all cultures where they are attested, and in the game those flaws simply do not exist.

Put them back in and fewer people will play Vamps and WW and so there will be no need for another "world class" to counterbalance the numbers.

All The Best

Waffennacht · February 2017

Wouldn't an Aedra be closer?

KisoValley · February 2017

techprince wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

You are right.

Both Vamp and WW are far too common.

Best way to fix that is NOT to add another "world class", but to make the penalties for being a Vamp or WW much, much harsher.

All The Best

This is not a "balancing" thread, stop making everything about balance and PvP.

@techprince

So where did he mention PVP?

techprince · February 2017

mb10 wrote: »

lol read the lore before posting stuff like that

sorry, no offence.

Oh i did.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

You are right.

Both Vamp and WW are far too common.

Best way to fix that is NOT to add another "world class", but to make the penalties for being a Vamp or WW much, much harsher.

All The Best

This is not a "balancing" thread, stop making everything about balance and PvP.

I never even mentioned balance or PvP - so please stop accusing me of stuff I haven't done.

I was thinking of it primarily from an RP and Lore point of view.

In Lore both Vampirism and Lycanthropy have significant associated weaknesses in all cultures where they are attested, and in the game those flaws simply do not exist.

Put them back in and fewer people will play Vamps and WW and so there will be no need for another "world class" to counterbalance the numbers.

All The Best

Your comment is contradicting itself. Necessity isnt always needed.

KisoValley wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

You are right.

Both Vamp and WW are far too common.

Best way to fix that is NOT to add another "world class", but to make the penalties for being a Vamp or WW much, much harsher.

All The Best

This is not a "balancing" thread, stop making everything about balance and PvP.

@techprince

So where did he mention PVP?

Players who cry for balance in Vampire and WW forms are mostly the PvP ones and thats common sense.

techprince · February 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wouldn't an Aedra be closer?

It is, but the lore "their power was so reduced that the Aedra lost the ability to manifest themselves physically or to interact directly with their creation or descendants" is worrisome.

But a mortal can die and become the servant of daedric princes.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

techprince wrote: »

Players who cry for balance in Vampire and WW forms are mostly the PvP ones and thats common sense.

Actually I never mentioned balance at all.

And common sense would dictate you read what I wrote, NOT what you want me to have written so you can prove a point that wasn't there.

All The Best

Inhuman003 · February 2017

I agree with you on that techprince when you do the dungeon for Banished Cells 1 and 2 you will see the last boss in dungeon 1 where he is Elven and in the second morphe of this dungeon 2 you will see him again as a Daedra.

techprince · February 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Players who cry for balance in Vampire and WW forms are mostly the PvP ones and thats common sense.

Actually I never mentioned balance at all.

And common sense would dictate you read what I wrote, NOT what you want me to have written so you can prove a point that wasn't there.

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

You are right.

Both Vamp and WW are far too common.

Best way to fix that is NOT to add another "world class", but to make the penalties for being a Vamp or WW much, much harsher.

All The Best

This is not a "balancing" thread, stop making everything about balance and PvP.

I never even mentioned balance or PvP - so please stop accusing me of stuff I haven't done.

I was thinking of it primarily from an RP and Lore point of view.

In Lore both Vampirism and Lycanthropy have significant associated weaknesses in all cultures where they are attested, and in the game those flaws simply do not exist.

Put them back in and fewer people will play Vamps and WW and so there will be no need for another "world class" to counterbalance the numbers.

All The Best

Seriously?

MythicEmperor · February 2017

Its not possible. Daedra are the creations of the Daedric Princes. It isn't a transformation. What I would love to see is liches.

Inhuman003 · February 2017

If it's not a transformation why can the worm cult can transform themselves into monsters in the game that are actually seen in the game of eso explain that to me please.

Deadfinger6 · February 2017

#Daedriclivesmatter

MythicEmperor · February 2017

Inhuman003 wrote: »

If it's not a transformation why can the worm cult can transform themselves into meditation creatures in the game that are actually seen in the game of eso explain that to me please.

..... Taco? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

TheShadowScout · February 2017

techprince wrote: »

Werewolves and Vampires have become way too common. How about third world class which is becoming a lesser daedra itself...

...and having all NPCs either attack you on sight, or run in fear at your approach, quest givers included?
Not bloody likely!

What I would want instead is an option for mortals that makes -not- going vampire or werewolf more attractive. Possibly some religions skill line where a character can declare for one power, daedric or divine - since going werewolf is kinda declaring for Hircone already, while vampire is kinda swearing off both Aedra and Daedra...

I would love to see more drawbacks to becoming a bloodsucking fiend or part-time furry. More of the classic clichees to make those feel more like monsters in disguise rather then merely players with an additional skill line... vampires being weak during the day, strong after dark, werewolves being affected by the moons, vampires having trouble with running water, werewolves having control issues, etc.

And I would love to see some world skill line alternative for mortals... possibly something religion-based, maybe like discussed in an old thread here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231126/worship-in-tamriel-an-eso-religion-concept/p1