Well that blows.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

1. It was too OP for end game.

2. The set is intended for new players.

Therefore, it was rightly nerfed ...

No one was using it in end game, not PvE at least. Check lists for BIS sets and you won't find Trainee in there, not even for tanks lol. As for PvP, I'm not sure but it seems that everything is OP in Cyrodiil, judging by forum complaint threads.
I'm using this set + willow path to level my alts and i think it does exactly what it is intended to do: help out low level toons.
The nerf was just too harsh, i won't even bother to use it on a level 4 now.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

No one was using it in end game, not PvE at least. Check lists for BIS sets and you won't find Trainee in there, not even for tanks lol. As for PvP, I'm not sure but it seems that everything is OP in Cyrodiil, judging by forum complaint threads.

This reply is laden with conjecture and thin on fact.

You say that you've been following PvP forum complaint threads ... but evidently missed all the other Armor of the Trainee pushback from PvP players. I guess it's not safe to assume all players know which end game my reply referred to (lol).

Arciris wrote: »

The nerf was just too harsh, i won't even bother to use it on a level 4 now.

Do you have PTS testing of your own to back up this statement? Or, is this just an assumption?

I did mention that I wasn't sure for PvP.
For PvE it is a solid fact that Trainee is not BIS for any class or role.
And yes, I went to PTS quite a bit.
I'm not saying no one will use it, I just said I will not use it even on a level 4 and the reason for that is that there are far better options than the Trainee in it's nerfed state, even for low level toons.

For those using the Trainee, I would suggest to just wear Twice Born Star with Mage and Tower mundus, you'll get more overall useful stats with it than the Trainee after nerf. And again, if you're building for health there are better options (ie: Plage Doctor + Green Pact or Plague doctor + Armor Master or Plague Doctor with TBS - Lord and Atro mundus or Plague Doctor + Ebon)
Trainee is not a set you want to use to max one particular stats, it was usable for hybrid builds that are always at disadvantage anyway in the current meta.
So, with all sets that may deserve a nerf (and didn't got it), the nerf to Trainee just seems absurd.

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[/quote]Grace of the ancients and willpower combo is not alternative, i don't even saying how *** it is in comparison with draugh hulk. Still nerf to trainee was just a wrobel way to force mDK to pay for those 5% whip damage.[/quote]

It is better than Trainee for max magika (only).
Both setups are *** compared to Hulk when it comes to increase 1 max stat.
If you have 30k max magika before 2º 5 piece sets, Grace of the ancients grants you 1200 (4%) magika + Willpower 2 piece 1400 (+4% from Grace of the ancients)= 2600+ max magika compared to 2500 from Trainee. Very small margin but still better. Grace of the ancients also has a 1 piece bonus to max magika, same as Trainee.
I totally understand that in PvP, with Battle Roar passive, Trainee offers more utility for mDK. But for raw max magika only, Grace of the ancient + Willpower is (slightly) better than Trainee.
That was my point.

olsborg wrote: »

Wouldnt rly call it crap, it still provides a *** of stats.

It's not crap but let's face it: 50% nerf was a bit too harsh for a set that wasn't even on the top 10 list of overperforming sets (that were left unchanged).

I used trainee on my sorc and it did need a nerf, it gave too many stats I could use whatever food/drink I wanted cause I get enough health from trainee, also I never had to worry about stamina issues and CC breaking with the extra stamina.

this set was awesome paired with Plauge Doctor on my tank. 50k health, 20k mag, 35k stam. As a tank that doesn't just stand there holding block and taunting every now and then (avg 9-10k dps), this set was perfect for my build style. I've tanked everything but vet trials with it, and presume it would probably be okay there as well.

very disappointed in this nerf.

Arciris wrote: »

Grace of the ancients and willpower combo is not alternative, i don't even saying how *** it is in comparison with draugh hulk. Still nerf to trainee was just a wrobel way to force mDK to pay for those 5% whip damage.[/quote]

It is better than Trainee for max magika (only).
Both setups are *** compared to Hulk when it comes to increase 1 max stat.
If you have 30k max magika before 2º 5 piece sets, Grace of the ancients grants you 1200 (4%) magika + Willpower 2 piece 1400 (+4% from Grace of the ancients)= 2600+ max magika compared to 2500 from Trainee. Very small margin but still better. Grace of the ancients also has a 1 piece bonus to max magika, same as Trainee.
I totally understand that in PvP, with Battle Roar passive, Trainee offers more utility for mDK. But for raw max magika only, Grace of the ancient + Willpower is (slightly) better than Trainee.
That was my point.[/quote]

Trainee offered more utility than any those setups because of the health bonus that went along with increasing the damage pool. It also gave magic classes the ability to run something other than tri-food in pvp.

With that being said, I can hit better stats with "non-op" gear. Unfortunately, I still haven't received a shield after 50+ runs of a particular dungeon. Trainee was a gift to the pvp crowd that hated farming.

Arciris wrote: »

I don't know if I'm that bad at writing or if it is people that just don't read or don't know how to. I will repeat myself and will try to be as clear as possible.

1. Trainee was never BIS (Best In Slot) for end game PvE (end game in PvE is HM vet trials and a couple of HM vet DLC dungeons, nothing else).
2. I don't know about PvP, since usually PvP doesn't have clear BIS sets. PvP doesn't have a "end game" neither: it is by its very nature endless.
But there was a huge amount of threads about other sets being OP, and people only started to talk about Trainee after the nerf appeared on patch notes.
3. I understand that Trainee offers very nice utility - but it has a cost:
a, you will never deal as much damage than a build purely dedicated to it
b.you will never do as much healing and support than a build purely dedicated to it
c. you will never have as much survability than a build purely dedicated to it

Conclusion: it is an hybrid set, and didn't deserve such a huge nerf. 50% (or cut down in half if you prefer).

First of i meant pvp and secondly there have been enough threads about trainee when people found out it could drop in other traits then training. And what cost? My magDK has
37k magicka
32k health
17k Stam
1400 mag regen and 3k SD with only entropy and that's in heavy armour.
For magDK's at least in pvp it could be considered BiS. I'll still try it when the patch comes to console but the nerf was too much aye.