40 bucks isnt a big deal, 40 bucks for content i mostly wont play is when, my impression was that id get all content access with eso plus as long as i subbed. Id gladly pay more monthly to have it included if thats what it took. But i dont want pve content or warden class i only dont want to be behind for gear and other area specific drops or crafting.

First of all, no one is complaining about $40, they're complaining about being misled. I think everyone gets that, except the intellectually challenged and those who are deliberately being obtuse. Considering this thread has "y'all" in the title, I think I know where we stand with that.

I am a subscriber and I am a little bit upset that I am not getting Morrowind as part of my paid content. However, I am absolutely convinced that Morrowind will be offered in the Crown Store in very short order, and then I can order it with my Crowns... so I'm kind of getting it with my subscription anyway.

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

I understand that you ESO+ subscribers are quite heated, and reasonably so, but to everyone who is not a sub, why are you guys all so mean to Zenimax about paying for more content?? It is a LARGE amount of stuff with the upgrade, so in my mind, it SHOULD be a bit higher in cost. Also, people are acting like 40$ is some MONSTEROUS price, which really isn't (again, if you are paying for ESO+, I completely understand).

What you mean to say is that $40 dollars is no big deal for you. Thank you for coming to the forums to flaunt your economic privilege, although not everyone is in your financial situation. Please think about this before posting such nonsense.

But on the other side of the coin your coming on this forum crying poverty... which is your situation, so I can't wrap my head around the fact that you are just doing the same thing...

I come from a background where $5 was a big deal... my parents were immigrants who worked 2 jobs each... and trust me they were not "privileged" enough to be sitting around playing a video game... so you having the time to come on a forum and bemoan the fact that $40 is a big deal is pretty disingenuous... if it is a" big deal" then like a previous poster said, it might be time to better your situation by maybe furthering your education and getting a better job so that $40 would not be a "big deal"

sevomd69 wrote: »

I come from a background where $5 was a big deal... my parents were immigrants who worked 2 jobs each... and trust me they were not "privileged" enough to be sitting around playing a video game... so you having the time to come on a forum and bemoan the fact that $40 is a big deal is pretty disingenuous... if it is a" big deal" then like a previous poster said, it might be time to better your situation by maybe furthering your education and getting a better job so that $40 would not be a "big deal"

Not really, I have a fairly high end i7 PC as it's what I spend most of my time using, but due to personal family circumstances, I do not have hardly any disposable income. I honestly haven't got £30 to throw around, but I budget carefully and included in my budget is my subscription to ESO (and I cancelled my sub to Swtor as I couldn't afford both) , my broadband, have cancelled all my subs to Sky TV etc but have budgeted for netflix.

Don't get me wrong, I am not hard up, I can pay my mortgage and all my bills and have enough left to live off, but I simply could not justify buying it at this present time due to our circumstances, it's not fair if my wifes going without things and I'm dropping £30 on a game.

As I've cancelled my sub, this does now allow me to budget for it.

But my point is, many many people like myself budget for their broadband, a subscription to a game they can relax and play, and it means they are kept occupied. I went out for a meal three times last year, all family birthdays and I bought one coffee when on a long journey and needed a break. Apart from the three times I went out for dinner, I didn't buy a drink in a pub etc (did buy some in supermarket) , didn't go to the Cinema, in fact those were the only times we went out last year (as in going out and spending money on leisure), we had no holiday etc. Tell a lie my grown up children bought me and my wife tickets to see The Stranglers as a joint mother and fathers day present.

Not meaning to have a go, I understand what you are saying, it just annoys me a little when people say if other's haven't got $40 to drop on an expansion, they shouldn't be playing the game.

You were not promised access to all future DLC or all future content.

ESO+ promises access to "DLC Game Packs" which is semantically distinct from "all DLC" and absolutely distinct from "all future content."


--> Members receive increased experience, faster crafting progression, and bonus gold along with access to all available DLC Game Packs and a monthly allotment of 1500 Crowns (total membership amount of crowns given at time of purchase) to spend in the in-game store on pets, mounts, costumes, and much more. <--

--> Become an ESO Plus™ member to gain access to all DLC game packs... <--

Links:

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/esoplus

https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/games/addons/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited-eso-plus/cid=UP1003-CUSA00132_00-ESOPLUSMEMBERSHP

And etc.

If you blithely assumed that a "DLC Game Pack" was precisely the same thing as "any and all DLC" or "any and all future content", then that's on you.

If you didn't take any action to determine what, exactly, constituted a "Game Pack" in terms of ESO+, then that's on you.

If you are going to continue with this petulant, foot-stomping drivel and change your line of whining to say that a "DLC Game Pack" should mean "any and all DLC", or worse, that "everyone" understands that the one, of course, obligatorily implies the other, even though the use of the term varies widely from game to game and company to company, then that is on you. And no one else.

Deal with it.

You were not misled, or lied to, or "betrayed". You made a false and wholly unsupported assumption that you took no action to confirm, and that you are now complaining did not turn out to be what you wanted it mean or what you felt it should have meant [SNIp]

The lesson here? Improve your language and consumer skills and act like responsible adults, or accept that life is going to continue to be an inexplicably confusing and vastly unfulfilling experience for you.

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Spectral_Lord wrote: »

I wish I had your life where 40 bucks is an insignificant amount of cash. For me it's damn near a month's worth of food.

Where are you located where a month of food costs $40? Do you need a roommate?

Illumisar wrote: »

You were not promised access to all future DLC or all future content.

ESO+ promises access to "DLC Game Packs" which is semantically distinct from "all DLC" and absolutely distinct from "all future content."


--> Members receive increased experience, faster crafting progression, and bonus gold along with access to all available DLC Game Packs and a monthly allotment of 1500 Crowns (total membership amount of crowns given at time of purchase) to spend in the in-game store on pets, mounts, costumes, and much more. <--

--> Become an ESO Plus™ member to gain access to all DLC game packs... <--

Links:

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/esoplus

https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/games/addons/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited-eso-plus/cid=UP1003-CUSA00132_00-ESOPLUSMEMBERSHP

And etc.

If you blithely assumed that a "DLC Game Pack" was precisely the same thing as "any and all DLC" or "any and all future content", then that's on you.

If you didn't take any action to determine what, exactly, constituted a "Game Pack" in terms of ESO+, then that's on you.

If you are going to continue with this petulant, foot-stomping drivel and change your line of whining to say that a "DLC Game Pack" should mean "any and all DLC", or worse, that "everyone" understands that the one, of course, obligatorily implies the other, even though the use of the term varies widely from game to game and company to company, then that is on you. And no one else.

Deal with it.

You were not misled, or lied to, or "betrayed". You made a false and wholly unsupported assumption that you took no action to confirm, and that you are now complaining did not turn out to be what you wanted it mean or what you felt it should have meant. [SNIp]

The lesson here? Improve your language and consumer skills and act like responsible adults, or accept that life is going to continue to be an inexplicably confusing and vastly unfulfilling experience for you.

[Edited for Bait]

I think enough people have explained this time and time again and it's going round in circles.

Anyone using the tone of language you are using, well if you have to resort to language like that, you obviously haven't any real input to say on the debate (and I would say that to anyone who speaks like that regardless of which side of the debate they are on.

Anyway, just to repeat what I've said in numerous other threads today, The EULA and ToS has zero mention of ESO Plus, so those using the argument that it didn't say we would get it on those, therefore we have no debate, are in my opinion wrong.
The ToS also heavily implies anything downloaded from Zenimax counts as dlc (I'm only saying that as it is what is implied by it, personally I think the ToS is meaningless as far as this debate goes)

I am fully aware that what is said at Quakecon is not a written statement, but when the games designers, marketing guys etc tell us how the ESO Plus sub works, and tell us we will be getting 4 dlc a year (dlc that non subscribers have to pay for) then to me I fully understand why so many people think this.

They have also said in gaming interviews etc that it includes all content

In ESO Live vids in 2015, Zenimax have a few times said what we will be getting with ESO+ and in one part even talked about Clockwork City being worked (for those that aren't aware, Clockwork city is part of the Morrowind expansion) on and how that we have a choice of getting it through the sub or purchasing as DLC.

Again I agree this is not in writing, but to say paying customers who see all this info by ESOs top bods, well I'm not going to repeat what you said, but it's comments like yours that have made me wade in in this debate in the first place, as I fully understand their complaints, regardless of the fact it doesn't bother me.

A company advertising on ESO Live, Quakecon etc then not providing what they said they verbally said they would offer, well legally they are well within their rights no doubt, but just because something is legal, doesn't always make it right.

Hence I fully understand all the complaints and regardless of whether the issue bothers me or not, what really does bothers me isn't those that disagree with them, it's those that post posts like yours or complain about the complainers. Even if they didn't have a justifiable complaint (and I believe they do), it's these sort of posts that makes a forum look toxic, not two different groups of people disagreeing with each other.

I expect abuse in your reply.

Here's some of the links I have posted time and time again in these threads,

Matt Firor at Quakecon in 2015

00:20:00


Expect to see a named dlc pack of some kind quarterly.

So every 12 weeks or so you will see something named with the cool concept, content, new systems, things like that.

The way it works is if you are an ESO+ member you get all the dlc content included as part of eso+ for as long as you are a subscriber.

You can of course purchase it from the store if you want to

Watch from 16:50 to 18:40

Right now you are looking at Orsinium or Wrothgar which is probably scheduled to be one of our earlier packs and you know, if you decide you want to buy it separately as dlc you can do that, if you decide you want to become an ESO Plus member, then this will come with ESO Plus, and I think thats one of the cool things, so for people who still like kind of the model that goes with subscription, the dlc will absolutely support that, here you can see some work we've done with Clockwork City. So there's a lot of cool places that people are going to want to visit and open up and there's multiple ways to get to these areas, and its basically just allowing people who want the option of how they want the dlc, how they want to pay for it, it's giving them more option.

https://youtu.be/4RxYZLOS5Jw

http://www.polygon.com/features/2016/10/14/13285014/elder-scrolls-online-one-tamriel-skyrim-mmo


After a six-month delay, announced in December 2014, there was one major change that happened on the way to the console launch. On March 17, The Elder Scrolls Online got a new name — The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited.

That same day, it also dropped its subscription model.

Players can still pay a monthly fee, but instead of allowing access to a game they already paid full price for, that membership gives them in-game currency — called crowns — to spend on things like cosmetic items and mounts. It now also offers access to all of the game’s content expansions, including new regions of Tamriel.

DLC is still available for purchase a la carte, but for subscribers it’s all completely free.

"I was one of the big proponents of that change," Hines said. "My thought was ... that if we didn’t require it, but we made it cool, that we would get a ton of subscribers. People would pay the fee just because they could, as opposed to us forcing them to pay it.

"Just like in the Elder Scrolls games themselves, players wanted to be able to choose. They just didn’t want to have to do something."

ACTIVE PLAYERS ON PC NEARLY TRIPLED OVERNIGHT.

The gambit worked. On March 17, 2015 ESO had the same average number of players that it had had for most of the year. The next day, it had nearly three times that number.

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Yubarius wrote: »

I understand that you ESO+ subscribers are quite heated, and reasonably so, but to everyone who is not a sub, why are you guys all so mean to Zenimax about paying for more content?? It is a LARGE amount of stuff with the upgrade, so in my mind, it SHOULD be a bit higher in cost. Also, people are acting like 40$ is some MONSTEROUS price, which really isn't (again, if you are paying for ESO+, I completely understand).

Reasonable for ESO+ members to be heated? I'm a ESO+ member... There is absolutely no reason to be upset about this as an ESO+ member. Completely unrealistic expectations. If people chose to think of ESO+ different than it actually is and then get upset that they were wrong... that's their issue not ZOS's. It was pretty clear what ESO+ is and what you get. It's a great value. This in no way reduces the value at all. Having to buy an expansion is completely understandable (like every game out there). It honestly makes no sense to freak out on this...

I'm annoyed because I'm paying AU80.00 (~US60.00) for exactly the same thing you are all paying US40.00 for.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you please explain why it costs 50% more to send bytes here than it does there...

The digital collectors edition _upgrade_ is AU100.00 !!!

$40 is a week's food shopping in some places, a month's in some others, hardly "nothing".

Illumisar wrote: »

You were not promised access to all future DLC or all future content.

ESO+ promises access to "DLC Game Packs" which is semantically distinct from "all DLC" and absolutely distinct from "all future content."


--> Members receive increased experience, faster crafting progression, and bonus gold along with access to all available DLC Game Packs and a monthly allotment of 1500 Crowns (total membership amount of crowns given at time of purchase) to spend in the in-game store on pets, mounts, costumes, and much more. <--

--> Become an ESO Plus™ member to gain access to all DLC game packs... <--

Links:

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/esoplus

https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/games/addons/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited-eso-plus/cid=UP1003-CUSA00132_00-ESOPLUSMEMBERSHP

And etc.

If you blithely assumed that a "DLC Game Pack" was precisely the same thing as "any and all DLC" or "any and all future content", then that's on you.

If you didn't take any action to determine what, exactly, constituted a "Game Pack" in terms of ESO+, then that's on you.

If you are going to continue with this petulant, foot-stomping drivel and change your line of whining to say that a "DLC Game Pack" should mean "any and all DLC", or worse, that "everyone" understands that the one, of course, obligatorily implies the other, even though the use of the term varies widely from game to game and company to company, then that is on you. And no one else.

Deal with it.

You were not misled, or lied to, or "betrayed". You made a false and wholly unsupported assumption that you took no action to confirm, and that you are now complaining did not turn out to be what you wanted it mean or what you felt it should have meant. [SNIp]

The lesson here? Improve your language and consumer skills and act like responsible adults, or accept that life is going to continue to be an inexplicably confusing and vastly unfulfilling experience for you.

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Absolutely agree!

Typeous wrote: »

In my country, 40$ is worth %10-13 of minimal wage. I am student, yet i can pay for it but i wont pay for that stuff. Because as they said, its only 30 hours of gameplay and IT MAKES GAME PAY TO WIN.. New class which you have to buy "expansion" to play... which is op btw.

Any chance you may learn what P2W is with that schooling?