Why are y'all complaining about 40$?

Graydon · January 2017

Acrolas wrote: »

Interestingly enough, "it's a reasonable price" is a not a legal argument you can use to defend price-fixing.

So I'm more inclined to listen to arguments defending the merits of the shift in monetization strategy over arguments defending the price.

Actually it's really not that interesting.

Xinthisis · January 2017

Acrolas wrote: »

Interestingly enough, "it's a reasonable price" is a not a legal argument you can use to defend price-fixing.

So I'm more inclined to listen to arguments defending the merits of the shift in monetization strategy over arguments defending the price.

I really do question the legality now of advertising the sub fee as "access to all future content" to then just make future content blocked behind a paywall.

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Cronopoly · January 2017

It's not the $40.
Its the perception of being flat out lied to by semantics to those who have been supporting the company fully. Trust me many of those who are slightly peeved about this have spent hundreds of dollars on the Crown Store for crap...like crown crates that rewarded gambling with , yeah useless fluff with horrible return % on the supposed good stuff.

Graydon · January 2017

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

SaRuZ wrote: »

Honestly I think the majority of this forum community are whiney first time gamers. Did you buy Fallout 4 for $60? Skyrim Remastered? Battlefield 1?

Seriously. We were all pissed about them filling the crown store with cosmetic bs and promoting gambling with crown crates and how housing is a cash grab...but now we have actual Content to really play. All this forum does is *** and complain about everything. If you can't afford a $40 expansion but boast about your $175 annual ESO+ membership, you have problems. Be happy they're going in a creative direction, sheesh.

And to the guy saying $40 is half his month's food? Now I see who are the ones crying about not being handed an expansion pack. My monthly food bill is easily $300, try raising three kids and still playing ESO. ***.

To be fair, you don't know which country he is in. $40 could easily be worth as much as $300 in real terms

Then the expansion would be $5.00 in his country

Vyle_Byte · January 2017

Its less than the cost of the new motif in the crown store. Not tryin to be hard on those who have money problems but sincerely, most ppl spend more than that on McDonalds in a month. If you are hard up for money, you have 4 months to save. That's $10 a month. Hell you could get a temp job for one day and prob pay for it. Its 4 months away...

And yeah, I know the subber's argument, while you are obliged to your own opinion, I have mine as well. Been a subscriber since launch and don't have an issue paying for this expansion on the game, its not a dlc.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · January 2017

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Donum-Dei wrote: »

I guess because now that this is being called and it is an expansion. Everybody have to pay for it no matter what.
But I think that ESO+ members will not have to pay for the extra downloaded content this expansion will bring in the future. Like us non ESO+ members.

Gina Bruno confirmed that. Here's a link to it: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3742605/#Comment_3742605

Assuming there are more dlc. Probably just be more new chapters! How exciting!

AlMcFly · January 2017

Acrolas wrote: »

Interestingly enough, "it's a reasonable price" is a not a legal argument you can use to defend price-fixing.

So I'm more inclined to listen to arguments defending the merits of the shift in monetization strategy over arguments defending the price.

You're one of those people who fill their sentences with terminology and jargon without even knowing what they mean. I have a "legal argument" for you:

Price-Fixing

Definition: Price fixing is an agreement (written, verbal, or inferred from conduct) among competitors that raises, lowers, or stabilizes prices or competitive terms. Generally, the antitrust laws require that each company establish prices and other terms on its own, without agreeing with a competitor. When consumers make choices about what products and services to buy, they expect that the price has been determined freely on the basis of supply and demand, not by an agreement among competitors. When competitors agree to restrict competition, the result is often higher prices. Accordingly, price fixing is a major concern of government antitrust enforcement.

As ESO isn't colluding with a specific direct competitor for the prices of their products, the term "Price Fixing" does not apply in any way to the topic at hand. You're just throwing garbage hoping it will stick to the wall.

Alp · January 2017

The digital collector's edition upgrade costs twice as much as that here in Denmark.

Danikat · January 2017

Flynch wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Interestingly enough, "it's a reasonable price" is a not a legal argument you can use to defend price-fixing.

So I'm more inclined to listen to arguments defending the merits of the shift in monetization strategy over arguments defending the price.

But this topic is specifically about people who do not have a subscription. That means we already have to pay for every DLC pack (and every crown store item we want - no "free" crowns if you don't sub) and therefore this is no different - it's just a higher price for (hopefully) more content.

I paid 5,500 crowns, or £24 for the DLC bundle. Morrowind (standard edition upgrade) is £29.99 so it only has to have slightly more stuff than the DLCs to be a reasonable price compared to previous purchases.

Are you suggesting that eso+ members are not paying for dlc?

Maybe I should have said "We have to pay separately and up front for every DLC". My point was simply that people who don't subscribe aren't likely to feel entitled to get new content without making an additional payment because that's the system we've been using all along.

As for whether ESO Plus members pay for DLC it seems to depend on who you ask. I've seen people claim they pay for DLC and get free crowns, that they pay for crowns and get free DLC, that they pay for the crafting bag and get everything else free, that they pay to show their support to ZOS and get everything for free, and all kinds of other interpretations.

ereboz · January 2017

Even for eso+ I don't see why anyone would have a problem with $40. Games like WoW require a sub just to play and every expansion cost at least $60.

Flynch · January 2017

SaRuZ wrote: »

Honestly I think the majority of this forum community are whiney first time gamers. Did you buy Fallout 4 for $60? Skyrim Remastered? Battlefield 1?

Seriously. We were all pissed about them filling the crown store with cosmetic bs and promoting gambling with crown crates and how housing is a cash grab...but now we have actual Content to really play. All this forum does is *** and complain about everything. If you can't afford a $40 expansion but boast about your $175 annual ESO+ membership, you have problems. Be happy they're going in a creative direction, sheesh.

And to the guy saying $40 is half his month's food? Now I see who are the ones crying about not being handed an expansion pack. My monthly food bill is easily $300, try raising three kids and still playing ESO. ***.

So you're in agreement with how people were outraged over the silly costs of crown-store items etc, but when it comes to a legitimate content paywall, you suddenly look down your nose at those same people?

*whispers* And it's not really about the money...

AlexTech0x · January 2017

lagrue wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I'll spend $40 at a bar on Saturday.

Now THAT is a true waste of money. Morrowind will offer you substantially more time's worth of happiness for your money than any amount of intoxication in one night could.

The difference is that he is enjoying real life, do you see the difference?
Now if you believe buying ESO and drinking water is better then go for it, it is your money

Typeous · January 2017

In my country, 40$ is worth %10-13 of minimal wage. I am student, yet i can pay for it but i wont pay for that stuff. Because as they said, its only 30 hours of gameplay and IT MAKES GAME PAY TO WIN.. New class which you have to buy "expansion" to play... which is op btw.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

I'll be serious a moment for those that truly don't understand and are not just being sheeplike .

The yearly subscriber that pays monthly pays $180 a year for this game . This price came under the distinct and written understanding that all content and future content was included . That's $540 paid for this game for those that subbed monthly since launch . Probably more if extra crowns were purchased .

You think they need to pony up more ?

I think you need to step back from subscribers legitimate complaint .

Sinthrax · January 2017

Yubarius wrote: »

I understand that you ESO+ subscribers are quite heated, and reasonably so, but to everyone who is not a sub, why are you guys all so mean to Zenimax about paying for more content?? It is a LARGE amount of stuff with the upgrade, so in my mind, it SHOULD be a bit higher in cost. Also, people are acting like 40$ is some MONSTEROUS price, which really isn't (again, if you are paying for ESO+, I completely understand).

Because they deserve it to be free. These are the same fools that didn't want a sub cause it cost to much. People tried to tell them that F2P or B2P would be more expensive. You can't teach ignorant people anything. I hope they money these freeloaders right out of the game.

NovaShadow · January 2017

Just to digitally upgrade my account for Morrowind I'd have to pay $60 AUD.

If I wanted the Collectors digital upgrade I'd have to pay $100 AUD.

Seriously. As an ESO + subscriber I'm already peeved about the bait and switch, but $60 AUD for a DLC that is the same bloody size as Wrothgar.

What the ***...

Call it Morrowind does NOT give you the right to slap a $60 AUD price tag on content the same size as a DLC that was released for FREE with an ESO + sub.

$60 AUD is FOUR months of my sub. From the last proper DLC release to Morrowind that's 8-9 months worth of sub's. That's $120-$135 AUD already paid with the understanding (as was so blatantly advertised) I'd get all downloadable content for free as long as I subbed.

Publius_Scipio · January 2017

20+ year old final fantasy games were released on the Apple App Store for $20.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

$39 is cheaper than a sub mathematically all day cause considering dlc hits every 3-6 months $15 x's 3 or more is greater than $39.

Now the highest dlc bundle I've seen was 5500 crowns....$39 so no idea what the fuss is.

I will say that the ESO plus benefits have been a flat out lie from Tamriel Unlimited until now.

I would welcome that doscussion but the Morrowinf expansion has nothing to do with it In My Opinion as this began waaay back...mabye now after ppl have been selling ESO Plus to others, there is regret cause some purchased 6 months at a time

Cadbury · January 2017

When I saw the prices, I was in shock and tears. Never had I felt so angry and fustrated.

Can't believe I stubbed my toe.

...so anyway I preordered the upgrade.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2017

AlexTech0x wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I'll spend $40 at a bar on Saturday.

Now THAT is a true waste of money. Morrowind will offer you substantially more time's worth of happiness for your money than any amount of intoxication in one night could.

The difference is that he is enjoying real life, do you see the difference?
Now if you believe buying ESO and drinking water is better then go for it, it is your money

I am a lot of fun at the bar though.

Anyway, once again, the money has nothing to do with it. I used bar as an example. I could have said, "I can spend $40 on bars, tuition, strippers or paying strippers tuition while at the bar." It really doesn't matter.

What does matter is that I pay for ESO plus partially because I was told I would never have to pay for DLC again. The semantics of DLC vs Expansion don't make me any less irritated.

Also, side note ... if $40 5 months from now is causing you to decide between eating or not ... you need to get your priorities in order.

Publius_Scipio · January 2017

$40 for the game with dwarven colossus statue?

Danikat · January 2017

Sinthrax wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

I understand that you ESO+ subscribers are quite heated, and reasonably so, but to everyone who is not a sub, why are you guys all so mean to Zenimax about paying for more content?? It is a LARGE amount of stuff with the upgrade, so in my mind, it SHOULD be a bit higher in cost. Also, people are acting like 40$ is some MONSTEROUS price, which really isn't (again, if you are paying for ESO+, I completely understand).

Because they deserve it to be free. These are the same fools that didn't want a sub cause it cost to much. People tried to tell them that F2P or B2P would be more expensive. You can't teach ignorant people anything. I hope they money these freeloaders right out of the game.

I am one of those "freeloaders". So far this game has cost me £94 - that's the cost of the base game, the Imperial Upgrade (before it was in the crown store) and all the crowns I've bought. If I'd subscribed every month since I got it I would have paid £219 (and that's assuming I'd waited to get the Imperial Upgrade on the crown store, which I probably wouldn't have). So for me it definitely has been cheaper.

All it takes is enough self control to think for a moment about whether you actually want the shiny new thing being waved at you and pick the ones you actually want to buy. I understand that's difficult if you feel entitled to have absolutely everything, and in that case a sub probably is cheaper. But I would have thought anyone with any experience managing their own finances is capable of making a sensible decision.

Egonic · January 2017

Typeous wrote: »

In my country, 40$ is worth %10-13 of minimal wage. I am student, yet i can pay for it but i wont pay for that stuff. Because as they said, its only 30 hours of gameplay and IT MAKES GAME PAY TO WIN.. New class which you have to buy "expansion" to play... which is op btw.

What in game advantage over other classes do you get from playing this new class, I have never played it or seen it, so can you tell me?

Riejael · January 2017

If this is truly an expansion. Like Ruins of Kunark in scope. $40 isn't too bad. RoK was $50 in 2000 iirc.

Its also how much every WoW expansion was. And those like many EQ expansions had new races and classes that one had to get the expansion to play.

ZOS isn't doing anything beyond what the MMORPG market has done for the last 18 years.

andreasranasen · January 2017

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

I wish I had your life where 40 bucks is an insignificant amount of cash. For me it's damn near a month's worth of food.

A MONTH worth of food?! Where do you live? lol I'd say it's maybe three days worth of food if you're cheap. A month... you thailand? LOL

Bislobo · January 2017

nine9six wrote: »

People will complain about any and everything.

This

Cadbury · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

I wish I had your life where 40 bucks is an insignificant amount of cash. For me it's damn near a month's worth of food.

A MONTH worth of food?! Where do you live? lol I'd say it's maybe three days worth of food if you're cheap. A month... you thailand? LOL

To be fair, they may be in a country that doesn't have a McDonalds

$40 can buy alot of hamburgers

willlienellson · January 2017

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

I wish I had your life where 40 bucks is an insignificant amount of cash. For me it's damn near a month's worth of food.

You eat for $1.33 cents a day?

MasterSpatula · January 2017

Forty bucks isn't that much. I could go get a lapdance for forty bucks and get three minutes of enjoyment instead of thirty hours.

But if I pay up front for a lap dance then the girl says, "That'll be 40 bucks," when I get to the booth, that's just not cool.