AdamBourke wrote: »

I unsubbed because of this.

But... i've been playing recently and thinking about how much harder crafting would be - and the forthcoming housing update...

And dyes. I just managed to get 8-traits on all the gear i use... so im due to craft new gear... but i need it to match!

I think i might be resubbing soon.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

yes..... can i have your stuff?

You know that subs arent compulsory anymore right? Unsubbing is not the same as quitting...

You don't need ESO+ to dye your gear.

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@lehran Is it common to calculate such thinks with on-sale prices crowns but not with the lowes possible prices for the subscription?

With the normal price of the 1500 crown pack you get the subscription perks basically for free,1500 crowns equals the price of one month sub.

@SnuggleMePlease
You have no lasting drawbacks from cancelling your sub. You can re-sub any given time. If you ask yourself if it'S worth to pay 14€ a month for a game, then it's not worth it. After all it's just one game. If you love eso and the sub perks, keep the sub. Otherways cancel it.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

So what exactly does it cost a month for console players to both sub to TESO and to their console of choice? ESO Plus is $15 a month. Xbox Gold is what, $40 a month? So that would be about $55 a month. Around about $700.00 a year to play this game on console with sub.

My ASUS gaming computer only cost me $900 and that was a one time fee. And I don't sub.

Hmmmmmmm.

What is your point?

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

@lehran Is it common to calculate such thinks with on-sale prices crowns but not with the lowes possible prices for the subscription?

With the normal price of the 1500 crown pack you get the subscription perks basically for free,1500 crowns equals the price of one month sub.

I have no insight into ZoS sales data for crown packs. However, I know that the best you (as a consumer) can do is wait for a crown sale and then pick up enough 5500 packs to last you until the next sale. Doing it this way will cost the least amount of money in the long run provided your estimations on how many packs you need are correct. As such, I was comparing the crowns given by the sub against the best-case crown price for picking them up outside of the sub.

I'm aware that you can pick up crowns when they are not on sale, or pick crowns up in packs smaller than 5500. Doing so is less efficient money-wise, and therefore does not offer a reasonable comparison on the actual value of those crowns. I want to be comparing to what I'd be doing if I didn't have a sub and needed to buy all the DLC with crowns, and I wouldn't be purchasing 1500-crown packs for $15 each to accomplish that. While I talk only for myself there, I believe that I can generalize that habit as well, since I like to assume that most consumers will go for the cheapest option when there are no exigent circumstances (such as only having $15 to spend that month, and can't wait until the next sale, etc.).

Edit: I think I see what you mean now by your comment. You should adjust the per-month price of the membership by whatever length of membership you actually are planning on getting. The cheapest membership per-month (180 days) is $13 a month instead of $15, so adjust the prices of each of my questions of my original post downwards by $2 in that case (i.e. is $13 or $6.50 worth it for those perks)

silvereyes wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

When you subscribe, you should be doing it to play for free the content in the game RIGHT NOW. You should not be subscribing right now in order to play for free content that is not even in the game.

What makes you say that? I mean, if you market a service or product as giving you access to all current and future DLCs, then you can't really blame customers for expecting that.

If you pay up front for any online content, from any company, you are always taking a risk that the content will change or not be as expected. The longer the subscription period that you pay up front, the greater the risk. This seems to be a lesson a lot of ESO+ subscribers are just learning.

That's just how subscriptions work. They aren't content promises. You get access to all applicable content currently available for the duration of your subscription. If your subscription is several months, then if any new applicable content becomes available during that time, you will get access to it. But the words if and applicable in that sentence are doing a lot of work.

If I subscribe to Netflix and then one of their publisher contracts expires and a bunch of movies are removed from the catalog the day after I subbed, they are under no obligation to give me a refund or to have informed me ahead of time about their contract negotiations.

If I subscribe to Adobe Creative Cloud and they don't come out with any new features in the time I'm subscribed, and then launch a new standalone product not included in the suite, they are under no obligation to provide that new standalone product to me or to have told me what they are spending development resources on to develop it.

Exactly this

Personally, I'd just look at the in-game benefits silvereyes lists and use those as the main criteria for deciding on whether to sub or not. Getting some crowns every month is an added benefit if all those other things are important to you, but it's not in fact saving you any money in the long run to subscribe. The $180 a year you save by NOT subbing is enough to buy crowns and purchase any expansions and other dlc you want, plus save a good sum. How many expansions were released in 2016? How many expansions do you think you'll get this year, after they're done spending all their time on the Morrowind chapter? Enough to justify spending $180 dollars? Exactly. And by buying all the expansions, rather than subbing for them, that content will always be there, even when you're not subbed. But if you want to play only off-and-on, a month here and there, maybe mainly to play new content, then subbing might also make sense in that case. That's just the way I personally look at it. But as others have pointed out, you'll have to decide for yourself, based on what's most important to you.

I've gleaned a lot from what has been written here. I didn't mean to sound entitled or pretentious when I initially posted, but I will admit to feeling somewhat slighted by Zenimax when I found out about the expansion's payment model. I do agree that the ESO+ subscription tends to be worth it, although its value is essentially reduced by the introduction of the Morrowind Expansion. I just don't want to see Zenimax go down the road of charging outrageous prices because, thus far, I feel that they've been very ethical and reasonable.

One thing, however, that I have noticed is that there are so many people writing non-constructive and toxic posts simply because I asked a question. I subscribe to ESO because I love the game and I love Tamriel's universe as I'm sure many us all do. It is sad to see that individuals within our community are so condescending towards one another simply for the concern of fair and equal access to the game's content. X amount of money may not be a lot to you, but not everyone is in your economic situation, and I think that is something so many of us fail to consider.

It's up to you to make that individual determination. It is known that ZOS has not delivered on their advertised benefit of access to quarterly DLC because we don't have quarterly DLC. As such, the originally-advertised value of ESO Plus has been diminished. On the other hand, they've added a few new systems and perks to ESO Plus like costume dyeing and the Crafting Bag. For myself, it will be worth continuing the subscription if they continue to add new systems and perks like this to make up for the missing value of the missed quarterly DLC.

Recremen wrote: »

It's up to you to make that individual determination. It is known that ZOS has not delivered on their advertised benefit of access to quarterly DLC because we don't have quarterly DLC. As such, the originally-advertised value of ESO Plus has been diminished. On the other hand, they've added a few new systems and perks to ESO Plus like costume dyeing and the Crafting Bag. For myself, it will be worth continuing the subscription if they continue to add new systems and perks like this to make up for the missing value of the missed quarterly DLC.

I think they will, they pretty much have to. Consider that now one of our yearly 'content' (expansion) is going to have to be purchased, that leaves only THREE 'DLCs' that Subscribers will get for free. They have now effectively taken away a large reason why many people sub, so I think they have to come up with new added benefits for subscribers. People have suggested allowing subscribers to dye weapons, that would be a nice added feature to start.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

So what exactly does it cost a month for console players to both sub to TESO and to their console of choice? ESO Plus is $15 a month. Xbox Gold is what, $40 a month? So that would be about $55 a month. Around about $700.00 a year to play this game on console with sub.

My ASUS gaming computer only cost me $900 and that was a one time fee. And I don't sub.

Hmmmmmmm.

What is your point?

Subscriptions are not offering enough to be worth their weight on the pocket. ZoS needs to fatten them up a bit. And playing on console is futile if your are pinching pennies because you think a gaming computer would cost more.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together would not buy a manufactured PC, let alone a manufactured "gaming" PC. You're indefinitely getting ripped off by being charged the highest prices for the lowest quality parts. Even for someone with no experience building PCs, it is a fairly simple process that (a) saves a ton of money and (b) rewards so much more functionality out of any PC that you build. If you don't take the initiative, it can really only be chalked up to laziness. I didn't even bother reading that part of what he wrote.

It is even arguably cheaper to buy the parts yourself and just pay someone who is experienced in buildings computers labor costs.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

So what exactly does it cost a month for console players to both sub to TESO and to their console of choice? ESO Plus is $15 a month. Xbox Gold is what, $40 a month? So that would be about $55 a month. Around about $700.00 a year to play this game on console with sub.

My ASUS gaming computer only cost me $900 and that was a one time fee. And I don't sub.

Hmmmmmmm.

Xbl is 10 a month or 59 for a year

Katahdin wrote: »

No one can answer that for you. You need to decide that for yourself

This^^ I am fine with subbing and still think it has value to me, but if you don't fell that way unsub and play for free, it is an option

I mentioned this in another thread and few if anyone else seems to have picked up on yet.

ESO+ members will be allowed to place 2x as much stuff in their house than non ESO+

If you're into the housing, that's huge.

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

So what exactly does it cost a month for console players to both sub to TESO and to their console of choice? ESO Plus is $15 a month. Xbox Gold is what, $40 a month? So that would be about $55 a month. Around about $700.00 a year to play this game on console with sub.

My ASUS gaming computer only cost me $900 and that was a one time fee. And I don't sub.

Hmmmmmmm.

What is your point?

Subscriptions are not offering enough to be worth their weight on the pocket. ZoS needs to fatten them up a bit. And playing on console is futile if your are pinching pennies because you think a gaming computer would cost more.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together would not buy a manufactured PC, let alone a manufactured "gaming" PC. You're indefinitely getting ripped off by being charged the highest prices for the lowest quality parts. Even for someone with no experience building PCs, it is a fairly simple process that (a) saves a ton of money and (b) rewards so much more functionality out of any PC that you build. If you don't take the initiative, it can really only be chalked up to laziness. I didn't even bother reading that part of what he wrote.

It is even arguably cheaper to buy the parts yourself and just pay someone who is experienced in buildings computers labor costs.

It is not simple for most people to build a gaming computer. Simple for you is not simple for them. You are right in a manufactured pc is not as good tho. But parts cost more and the ASUS I linked is a solid manufactured pc. And mmo's never run on consoles as good as they do on pc. And it is not worth it to sub both to a console corp and to the mmo corp if you are watching your wallet.

The OP said should I continue to sub? I wanted to bring up the console side, an argument that seems to be overlooked, and offer a way out if your are trapped in paying for console subscriptions.


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