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ESO Plus (if you're upset, where was this when crafting bags was added)?????
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Qyrk✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.
@Qyrk
What they said is what's in the patch notes.
It's not misplaced.
What was said prior which was that base game updates would not require ESO plus.
So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use.
They went back of their word, just the same as ESO Plus giving dlc and now calling it a chapter or expansion and saying it won't apply.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
~<{[50]}>~ looks better than *5010 -
LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭BlackSparrow wrote: »
Just saying you don't see many subbers taking a maul to the non-subs.
This is literally the only reason I play ESO
Edited by LrdRahvin on February 2, 2017 1:55AM0 -
Qyrk✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.
@Qyrk
What they said is what's in the patch notes.
It's not misplaced.
What was said prior which was that base game updates would not require ESO plus.
So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use.
They went back of their word, just the same as ESO Plus giving dlc and now calling it a chapter or expansion and saying it won't apply.
"So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use."
Well technically they're right. If you want to pull semantics here, crafting bag IS available to anyone, but to have access to it you have to be an ESO+ member.
Edited by Qyrk on February 2, 2017 1:54AM0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.
@Qyrk
What they said is what's in the patch notes.
It's not misplaced.
What was said prior which was that base game updates would not require ESO plus.
So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use.
They went back of their word, just the same as ESO Plus giving dlc and now calling it a chapter or expansion and saying it won't apply.
"So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use."
Well technically they're right. If you want to pull semantics here, crafting bag IS available to anyone, but to have access to it you have to be an ESO+ member.
@Qyrk
The whole point is it was first said that base game updates would never require a sub.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
~<{[50]}>~ looks better than *5010 -
Qyrk✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.
@Qyrk
What they said is what's in the patch notes.
It's not misplaced.
What was said prior which was that base game updates would not require ESO plus.
So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use.
They went back of their word, just the same as ESO Plus giving dlc and now calling it a chapter or expansion and saying it won't apply.
"So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use."
Well technically they're right. If you want to pull semantics here, crafting bag IS available to anyone, but to have access to it you have to be an ESO+ member.
@Qyrk
The whole point is it was first said that base game updates would never require a sub.
In Patch Notes: there is Base Patch and DLC Patch. A Crafting Bag is NOT a DLC patch, since it is not content in a sense you and I describe content, but rather a feature of the game.
What's left? The devs decided to put it under Base Patch to make it easier. What's even better? They at least made a note to say that ""Craft Bags - ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag"" to be clear. Regardless of what they say about 'Base game updates never require a sub', they made a qualification in this instance.
I think you are too hung up on the word they use, and not open to the qualification they gave when they put Crafting Bags requiring ESO+ under BASE patch notes.0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.
@Qyrk
What they said is what's in the patch notes.
It's not misplaced.
What was said prior which was that base game updates would not require ESO plus.
So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use.
They went back of their word, just the same as ESO Plus giving dlc and now calling it a chapter or expansion and saying it won't apply.
"So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use."
Well technically they're right. If you want to pull semantics here, crafting bag IS available to anyone, but to have access to it you have to be an ESO+ member.
@Qyrk
The whole point is it was first said that base game updates would never require a sub.
In Patch Notes: there is Base Patch and DLC Patch. A Crafting Bag is NOT a DLC patch, since it is not content in a sense you and I describe content, but rather a feature of the game.
What's left? The devs decided to put it under Base Patch to make it easier. What's even better? They at least made a note to say that ""Craft Bags - ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag"" to be clear. Regardless of what they say about 'Base game updates never require a sub', they made a qualification in this instance.
I think you are too hung up on the word they use, and not open to the qualification they gave when they put Crafting Bags requiring ESO+ under BASE patch notes.
@Qyrk
It's really ESO lives and not the patch notes.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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My problem isn't with the fact that I can't access the new area without paying for it, my issue stems from the simple fact that the crowns they I either saved up or bought cannot buy this zone. If I had none that then I wouldn't have had ESO+ because aside from the crafting bag and 1500 crowns monthly there literally is no need to purchase a subscription for this game.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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Qyrk✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.
@Qyrk
What they said is what's in the patch notes.
It's not misplaced.
What was said prior which was that base game updates would not require ESO plus.
So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use.
They went back of their word, just the same as ESO Plus giving dlc and now calling it a chapter or expansion and saying it won't apply.
"So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use."
Well technically they're right. If you want to pull semantics here, crafting bag IS available to anyone, but to have access to it you have to be an ESO+ member.
@Qyrk
The whole point is it was first said that base game updates would never require a sub.
In Patch Notes: there is Base Patch and DLC Patch. A Crafting Bag is NOT a DLC patch, since it is not content in a sense you and I describe content, but rather a feature of the game.
What's left? The devs decided to put it under Base Patch to make it easier. What's even better? They at least made a note to say that ""Craft Bags - ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag"" to be clear. Regardless of what they say about 'Base game updates never require a sub', they made a qualification in this instance.
I think you are too hung up on the word they use, and not open to the qualification they gave when they put Crafting Bags requiring ESO+ under BASE patch notes.
@Qyrk
It's really ESO lives and not the patch notes.
Regardless of where it was mentioned, I quote:I think you are too hung up on the word they use, and not open to the qualification they gave when they put Crafting Bags requiring ESO+ under BASE patch notes.2 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.
@Qyrk
What they said is what's in the patch notes.
It's not misplaced.
What was said prior which was that base game updates would not require ESO plus.
So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use.
They went back of their word, just the same as ESO Plus giving dlc and now calling it a chapter or expansion and saying it won't apply.
"So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use."
Well technically they're right. If you want to pull semantics here, crafting bag IS available to anyone, but to have access to it you have to be an ESO+ member.
@Qyrk
The whole point is it was first said that base game updates would never require a sub.
In Patch Notes: there is Base Patch and DLC Patch. A Crafting Bag is NOT a DLC patch, since it is not content in a sense you and I describe content, but rather a feature of the game.
What's left? The devs decided to put it under Base Patch to make it easier. What's even better? They at least made a note to say that ""Craft Bags - ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag"" to be clear. Regardless of what they say about 'Base game updates never require a sub', they made a qualification in this instance.
I think you are too hung up on the word they use, and not open to the qualification they gave when they put Crafting Bags requiring ESO+ under BASE patch notes.
@Qyrk
It's really ESO lives and not the patch notes.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.
@Qyrk
What they said is what's in the patch notes.
It's not misplaced.
What was said prior which was that base game updates would not require ESO plus.
So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use.
They went back of their word, just the same as ESO Plus giving dlc and now calling it a chapter or expansion and saying it won't apply.
"So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use."
Well technically they're right. If you want to pull semantics here, crafting bag IS available to anyone, but to have access to it you have to be an ESO+ member.
@Qyrk
The whole point is it was first said that base game updates would never require a sub.
In Patch Notes: there is Base Patch and DLC Patch. A Crafting Bag is NOT a DLC patch, since it is not content in a sense you and I describe content, but rather a feature of the game.
What's left? The devs decided to put it under Base Patch to make it easier. What's even better? They at least made a note to say that ""Craft Bags - ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag"" to be clear. Regardless of what they say about 'Base game updates never require a sub', they made a qualification in this instance.
I think you are too hung up on the word they use, and not open to the qualification they gave when they put Crafting Bags requiring ESO+ under BASE patch notes.
@Qyrk
It's really ESO lives and not the patch notes.
Regardless of where it was mentioned, I quote:I think you are too hung up on the word they use, and not open to the qualification they gave when they put Crafting Bags requiring ESO+ under BASE patch notes.
@Qyrk
It's not a word. Honestly if you didn't watch the ESO lives or read and follow their tweets, you may not understand but just as those who sub were mislead the same applies here-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Totes-Bode✭✭✭BlackSparrow wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »BlackSparrow wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Now all the subscribers who kept telling ppl they need to sub and who have literally bashed those who don't sub...
O_o
@BlackSparrow
Definition: Informal To criticize (another) harshly, accusatorially, and threateningly:
That's the informal definition.
The literal definition is to bludgeon someone or something. Like with a stick.
Just saying you don't see many subbers taking a maul to the non-subs. Not outside Cyrodiil anyway.
I really thought you were pointing to the term "literally".1 -
Balibe✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »You do realize it literally says base game features that requires ESO plus.
No idea where you all are getting the word perk from. I understand you're interpretation but that's not what's written.
Where is this written in the TOS? Can you provide a link to this in the TOS?
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Qyrk✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.
@Qyrk
What they said is what's in the patch notes.
It's not misplaced.
What was said prior which was that base game updates would not require ESO plus.
So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use.
They went back of their word, just the same as ESO Plus giving dlc and now calling it a chapter or expansion and saying it won't apply.
"So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use."
Well technically they're right. If you want to pull semantics here, crafting bag IS available to anyone, but to have access to it you have to be an ESO+ member.
@Qyrk
The whole point is it was first said that base game updates would never require a sub.
In Patch Notes: there is Base Patch and DLC Patch. A Crafting Bag is NOT a DLC patch, since it is not content in a sense you and I describe content, but rather a feature of the game.
What's left? The devs decided to put it under Base Patch to make it easier. What's even better? They at least made a note to say that ""Craft Bags - ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag"" to be clear. Regardless of what they say about 'Base game updates never require a sub', they made a qualification in this instance.
I think you are too hung up on the word they use, and not open to the qualification they gave when they put Crafting Bags requiring ESO+ under BASE patch notes.
@Qyrk
It's really ESO lives and not the patch notes.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.
I meant hypothetical as in 'they said exactly same thing as the one from ESO Live but in this case actually put the Crafting Bags under DLC section instead of Base Game', not what you interpreted.
Nevertheless, it really seems like you do have a problem that they said something in ESO Live but it doesn't follow the same 'rules' when they put Crafting Bags in the patch notes incorrectly.
@Qyrk
What they said is what's in the patch notes.
It's not misplaced.
What was said prior which was that base game updates would not require ESO plus.
So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use.
They went back of their word, just the same as ESO Plus giving dlc and now calling it a chapter or expansion and saying it won't apply.
"So they said well the crafting bag is available to anyone, but ESO plus restricts use."
Well technically they're right. If you want to pull semantics here, crafting bag IS available to anyone, but to have access to it you have to be an ESO+ member.
@Qyrk
The whole point is it was first said that base game updates would never require a sub.
In Patch Notes: there is Base Patch and DLC Patch. A Crafting Bag is NOT a DLC patch, since it is not content in a sense you and I describe content, but rather a feature of the game.
What's left? The devs decided to put it under Base Patch to make it easier. What's even better? They at least made a note to say that ""Craft Bags - ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag"" to be clear. Regardless of what they say about 'Base game updates never require a sub', they made a qualification in this instance.
I think you are too hung up on the word they use, and not open to the qualification they gave when they put Crafting Bags requiring ESO+ under BASE patch notes.
@Qyrk
It's really ESO lives and not the patch notes.
Regardless of where it was mentioned, I quote:I think you are too hung up on the word they use, and not open to the qualification they gave when they put Crafting Bags requiring ESO+ under BASE patch notes.
@Qyrk
It's not a word. Honestly if you didn't watch the ESO lives or read and follow their tweets, you may not understand but just as those who sub were mislead the same applies here
Well this is someone who watches ESO Live since the inception, read their news (both social media and official news, including reddit), therefore I know what has been mentioned in the past. And no, I don't think I was misled in anyway.Edited by Qyrk on February 2, 2017 2:41AM0 -
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@Qyrk
The whole point is it was first said that base game updates would never require a sub. [/quote]NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Since when are craftbags 'base game'? You can only get them if you sub.
Since the patch notes @Baranthus were wrote as such in PTS and all releases. On all platforms.
I have gone back a few times and listened to the conversation starting at the seventeen minute mark. They are really clear when they say you will continue to have access to the content you have now without having to pay. That meaning obviously the stuff prior to the big update. As the crafting bags were a part of the big update they do not fall into the content you at that time already had. It just does not say what you are claiming. They have been clear even before launch that the craft bags would be for ESO+ subscribers.
and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
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✭Totes-Bode wrote: »BlackSparrow wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »BlackSparrow wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Now all the subscribers who kept telling ppl they need to sub and who have literally bashed those who don't sub...
O_o
@BlackSparrow
Definition: Informal To criticize (another) harshly, accusatorially, and threateningly:
That's the informal definition.
The literal definition is to bludgeon someone or something. Like with a stick.
Just saying you don't see many subbers taking a maul to the non-subs. Not outside Cyrodiil anyway.
I really thought you were pointing to the term "literally".
I was.
If he hadn't used "literally," I wouldn't have said anything. But because the phrase was "literally bash"... that's what changed the meaning of the phrase to something Smurf didn't intend, because the term "literally" indicates that the term "bash" was using the literal definition. Ergo, the term "literally" was the one that the Inigo meme referred to. Living vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
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Balibe✭✭✭✭cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »Relevance? But since you brought it up, you do realize that you bought the game before even seeing the terms of service, right?
Yes, I realize I bought the game and support the game monthly without reading the TOS. It was my choice. I am happy with the game, my choices and have no issues .....
I am not the one complaining and do not feel I have been mislead by ZOS. I am not the one complaining over wording in this post, that post or some video. All I was asking is to link the wording ZOS is bound to in the TOS ......
If it is not in the TOS, all this complaining and finger pointing is for nothing. ZOS has stated their intent for the game, nothing is going to change that. So all the complaining is for nothing and a waste of time. They have a handful of lawyers, they would not have done this if it was not legally okay for them to do so .....
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Ojustaboo✭✭✭✭✭
✭cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »Relevance? But since you brought it up, you do realize that you bought the game before even seeing the terms of service, right?
Yes, I realize I bought the game and support the game monthly without reading the TOS. It was my choice. I am happy with the game, my choices and have no issues .....
I am not the one complaining and do not feel I have been mislead by ZOS. I am not the one complaining over wording in this post, that post or some video. All I was asking is to link the wording ZOS is bound to in the TOS ......
If it is not in the TOS, all this complaining and finger pointing is for nothing. ZOS has stated their intent for the game, nothing is going to change that. So all the complaining is for nothing and a waste of time. They have a handful of lawyers, they would not have done this if it was not legally okay for them to do so .....
The TOS is irrelevant as far as the average player is concerned (and isn't worth the text it's written on in many countries anyway) . It might be the law in the US, but players are interested in being treated properly, being given what was promised by the devs when the devs communicate with them.
If a dev makes a mistake in a video, then own up and say that he spoke in a live situation and that wasn't what he/she meant.
I do fully understand the point NewBlackSmurf is making just as I fully understand the point all the people complaining about the charge for Morrowind.
When the devs do live q&a sessions and explain the benefits of say eso plus and state (as in one vid I watched yesterday)ESO Plus members, while you are a member you have access to the regions, so different dungeons, additional content, you're going to have access to that.
No one gives a dam what the Tos says. They listen to what the devs and marketing people say, and in the example above, they clearly heavily implied access to all additional content
Any company that says one thing in live vids, and then refers the customer to the ToS when they don't deliver, well they wont have that customer for long.
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Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Since when are craftbags 'base game'? You can only get them if you sub.
Since the patch notes @Baranthus were wrote as such in PTS and all releases. On all platforms.
If it was base game EVERYONE would have acces to the craftbag.
@Baranthus
Please go read before arguing
[SNIp]All content released is basically in the game (craft bags, dlcs and their gear, etc.). These are included to the game through the patches we all download.
Weather we have them on our inventory or on our game (in case of DLC) depends on weather we pay for it or not. Paying for it it's like using a magic key to unlock that locked door. That explains why you can give a player without orsinium DLC gear sets crafted on julianos's crafting station. Said player already has the data, only its locked.
But I know what you mean man
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cbaudersub17_ESO✭✭✭cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »Relevance? But since you brought it up, you do realize that you bought the game before even seeing the terms of service, right?
Yes, I realize I bought the game and support the game monthly without reading the TOS. It was my choice. I am happy with the game, my choices and have no issues .....
I am not the one complaining and do not feel I have been mislead by ZOS. I am not the one complaining over wording in this post, that post or some video. All I was asking is to link the wording ZOS is bound to in the TOS ......
If it is not in the TOS, all this complaining and finger pointing is for nothing. ZOS has stated their intent for the game, nothing is going to change that. So all the complaining is for nothing and a waste of time. They have a handful of lawyers, they would not have done this if it was not legally okay for them to do so .....
If you want to believe that the terms of service is above reproach and an enforceable contract without any challenge, that's your choice. My point about when one actually receives notice of any terms of service is germane to any determination about its validity. It's not that you chose to not read them, it's that you have the
opportunity to read them before any exchange of money.
Lawyers sign-off on things all the time that merely deter other parties from pursuing claims. Ever sign a liability waiver?...and, of course, that usually happens after the outfit has your money.
Now, I'm not saying go file a small claims or rally up others for a class-action to anyone. But, I am saying that pointing to the terms of service as a end-all-be-all provides nothing to this discussion.
The position of @NewBlacksmurf is NOT rocket science to figure out. ZOS created two player types when the game first went buy-to-play. When a quality of life item was put behind a subscription wall, the group that chose to outright purchase content was left with no means in their pay model they chose to this quality of life item. Mr. @NewBlacksmurf is pointing out that ZOS has a message history surrounding the change from subscription-based to buy-to-play themed behind both payer types having means and/or access. At best, in my opinion, the message is pretty garbled when release of the crafting bag became imminent.
NOW, future content is being placed behind a pay wall. However, everyone will have to pay. Wait, this actually makes what was done with the crafting bag seem worse to me.
I buy the content and subscribe during those times I play with frequency. The crafting bag is great!...because this game purposefully hamstrings inventory by design (not so Elder Scrollsey by the way). Can I live without it? Sure can. Did it before the crafting bag even existed. The reason I side with making the crafting bag available in some fashion to all is not so much a matter of convenience (although it AMAZINGLY is, especially with alts), it's that inventory management leaves 'hassel' and approaches or crosses into 'unfun' over time. Expansion of inventory slots did little to relieve this and the amount of 'keep-worthy' stuff is only growing.
By the way, ZOS CHANGES their intent for the game. There's been numerous directional shifts in the game's short life.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »@And no, I don't think I was misled in anyway.cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »Relevance? But since you brought it up, you do realize that you bought the game before even seeing the terms of service, right?
Yes, I realize I bought the game and support the game monthly without reading the TOS. It was my choice. I am happy with the game, my choices and have no issues .....
I am not the one complaining and do not feel I have been mislead by ZOS. I am not the one complaining over wording in this post, that post or some video. All I was asking is to link the wording ZOS is bound to in the TOS ......
If it is not in the TOS, all this complaining and finger pointing is for nothing. ZOS has stated their intent for the game, nothing is going to change that. So all the complaining is for nothing and a waste of time. They have a handful of lawyers, they would not have done this if it was not legally okay for them to do so .....
If you want to believe that the terms of service is above reproach and an enforceable contract without any challenge, that's your choice. My point about when one actually receives notice of any terms of service is germane to any determination about its validity. It's not that you chose to not read them, it's that you have the
opportunity to read them before any exchange of money.
Lawyers sign-off on things all the time that merely deter other parties from pursuing claims. Ever sign a liability waiver?...and, of course, that usually happens after the outfit has your money.
Now, I'm not saying go file a small claims or rally up others for a class-action to anyone. But, I am saying that pointing to the terms of service as a end-all-be-all provides nothing to this discussion.
The position of @NewBlacksmurf is NOT rocket science to figure out. ZOS created two player types when the game first went buy-to-play. When a quality of life item was put behind a subscription wall, the group that chose to outright purchase content was left with no means in their pay model they chose to this quality of life item. Mr. @NewBlacksmurf is pointing out that there's a ZOS has a message history surrounding the change from subscription-based to buy-to-play themed behind both payer types having means and/or access. At best, in my opinion, the message is pretty garbled when release of the crafting bag became imminent.
NOW, future content is being placed behind a pay wall. However, everyone will have to pay. Wait, this actually makes what was done with the crafting bag seem worse to me.
I buy the content and subscribe during those times I play with frequency. The crafting bag is great!...because this game purposefully hamstrings inventory by design (not so Elder Scrollsey by the way). Can I live without it? Sure can. Did it before the crafting bag even existed. The reason I side with making the crafting bag available in some fashion to all is not so much a matter of convenience (although it AMAZINGLY is, especially with alts), it's that inventory management leaves 'hassel' and approaches or crosses into 'unfun' over time. Expansion of inventory slots did little to relieve this and the amount of 'keep-worthy' stuff is only growing.
By the way, ZOS CHANGES their intent for the game. There's been numerous directional shifts in the game's short life.
@cbaudersub17_ESO
THANK YOU for eloquently laying this all out
I'm not even saying we agree or disagree but your words are written in the context of what the big picture is for all customers
Thanks
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well if you go back to the threads around the time craft bags were release you will find that many of us subs were not against some form of bag or additional storage being added to the crown store.
What should be the target of your angst is ZOS not adding storage to housing either in furniture or chests which would of alleviated storage concerns for all.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Well if you go back to the threads around the time craft bags were release you will find that many of us subs were not against some form of bag or additional storage being added to the crown store.
What should be the target of your angst is ZOS not adding storage to housing either in furniture or chests which would of alleviated storage concerns for all.
@TequilaFire
It is against ZOS and always has been.
See the post above your recent one-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭@NewBlacksmurf
I don't see how anyone was mislead concerning crafting bags
I do see how we were mislead that subs would have access to all new content though I will be pleased if Zos keeps to this new developement timeline since they haven't kept to the previous content developement threasholds they have discussed with us.1 -
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✭Dayum this is a lot of crying and whining beacuse a few sentences in some old notes should maybe have been placed some other spot in the patch notes
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Well if you go back to the threads around the time craft bags were release you will find that many of us subs were not against some form of bag or additional storage being added to the crown store.
What should be the target of your angst is ZOS not adding storage to housing either in furniture or chests which would of alleviated storage concerns for all.
@TequilaFire
It is against ZOS and always has been.
See the post above your recent one
I think I was responding more to your thread title inferring that ESO plus members didn't care about others getting crafting bags but now we are tasting the same salt about paying for expansion.
Many of us also thought that crafting bag policy was unfair, but at the same time should get something for our subs which in my case was all new future downloadable content which in Morrowind's case I will be downloading.
Now some will argue that this in an MMO and that is what they do while when other MMO features are asked for in ESO they argue this is not a typical MMO.
Makes for great forum debates I guess.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf
I don't see how anyone was mislead concerning crafting bags
I do see how we were mislead that subs would have access to all new content though I will be pleased if Zos keeps to this new developement timeline since they haven't kept to the previous content developement threasholds they have discussed with us.
@Giles.floydub17_ESO
Just read the edit I made to the OP or scroll up and read my reply with the meme "what's quoted" explains what you may not gather or what I maybe didn't write well-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Well if you go back to the threads around the time craft bags were release you will find that many of us subs were not against some form of bag or additional storage being added to the crown store.
What should be the target of your angst is ZOS not adding storage to housing either in furniture or chests which would of alleviated storage concerns for all.
@TequilaFire
It is against ZOS and always has been.
See the post above your recent one
I think I was responding more to your thread title inferring that ESO plus members didn't care about others getting crafting bags but now we are tasting the same salt about paying for expansion.
Many of us also thought that crafting bag policy was unfair, but at the same time should get something for our subs which in my case was all new future downloadable content which in Morrowind's case I will be downloading.
Now some will argue that this in an MMO and that is what they do while when other MMO features are asked for in ESO they argue this is not a typical MMO.
Makes for great forum debates I guess.
@TequilaFire
I appreciate that. I'm a hybrid I guess where Xbox one and ZOS don't get along in terms of ESO Plus so I find myself on and off that option.
I did experience some support from subscribers by largely it was negative and ego drive or entitlement interactions.
I agree that this is not a typical MMO and often laugh or draw concern when players attempt to use that "MMO means" thought process because the individual developers are what drive it all, or the server or genre type as you well know and I've seen you express this at times as well
Definitely it creates interesting forum discussions. Some good....yep
I'll hopefully be around for Morrowind as it was pre-ordered with some QoL changes hopefully not locked away by ESO Plus but from reading and listening, they are going to force in the future ESO Plus and buy2play so my desires could change between now and June 6th-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭Now that I know that, despite having spent almost $300 on subscriptions and paying $100 for the game initially, that I have to shell out another $40 for Morrowind, it is kind of disappointing. Since I've bought all the DLCs, basically, now I'm only paying so that I have a crafting bag? Somehow, I'm beginning to question the wisdom of this subscription.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Now that I know that, despite having spent almost $300 on subscriptions and paying $100 for the game initially, that I have to shell out another $40 for Morrowind, it is kind of disappointing. Since I've bought all the DLCs, basically, now I'm only paying so that I have a crafting bag? Somehow, I'm beginning to question the wisdom of this subscription.
@DenMoria
Yeah that's a lot of us.
Questioning ZOS' wisdom
Questioning our own decisions around it all
I spent $335 on this game alone last year with a mix of subs and crowns less taxEdited by NewBlacksmurf on February 2, 2017 4:45PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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