VMoL Has Ruined PS4's PvE Scene

DPShiro · February 2017

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Miss_Morphine wrote: »

@raidentenshu_ESO @Ch4mpTW @Doctordarkspawn
Let me attempt to clear up some misconceptions.

Let's start with the raid makeup. It works because of division of labor. If person A is better at making product A and person B is better at making product B and they stick to only making what they are best at we will have the most overall product produced. That is why people in real life have specific jobs and why in a raid heals buff and sustain while the DPS go all out DPS. Having the ability to stay alive with lower health and manage your resources with low regeneration are skills you need to have in your skill set as a raider. In the end the raid is much more efficient.

No one at all is stopping you from playing any content in the game. You are welcomed, even encouraged to play the game however you see fit. You are 100% correct that you have paid for it and have the right to experience whatever you see fit. Most people who have replied have encouraged you to still go and play the content - anyone can go in. It is true that most if not all Maw teams have some sort of requirements. Even if you are unwilling to have to go through that you can still play the content. Make your own team. It's what a lot of people in your position have done and recommended you do. If, however, by people keeping you from the game you mean people not willing to change the way they play to suit you - you may need to reexamine the situation. Aren't you yourself unhappy that you need to change the way you play to suit them? Why would the reverse be OK?

Lastly I've explained twice now why most raids have requirements. It's usually got nothing to do with elitism. Sure, there are elitists out there. It's crummy to look down on people or separate people by skinned and not skinned. I know I personally don't think any less of anyone who hasn't completed. There are lots of awesome people who have never done maw. If you are trying to join a maw team though, experience does matter. Would you want your surgeon to have operated before or be completely green? It's why most teams have training runs - to give people said experience.

Guys, please stop demonizing the raiding community. They are people. People who work hard and are often kind and dedicated. I am a raider and have many fantastic friends and guild mates who are raiders. My team is great people. Every one of them will 9 times out of 10 go out of their way to help others. All this finger pointing is just not a great thing to do.

If this doesn't get through I honestly don't know if you are willing to listen to reason. I do sencerely wish you all the best. Despite our differences I hope you manage to enjoy the game and its content as much as possible.

With all due respect I don't need you to explain the raiders makeup to me. I'm not a beginner of raiding nor am I that ignorant. I've done all but vMOL in vet mode. I've done vSO and vHRC on hard mode. All I need to do is do vAA and that would be all for me until I start doing vMOL.

Yes people are stopping me from perusing my goals of achieving vMOL. Granted my DPS isn't all that high (Unable to get 40K that is recommended for CORE rank) because I refuse to acknowledge and pursue the cheating art of Animation cancelling. If you do research on my past post you'll clearly see that I am highly against animation cancelling. I also don't have vMA weapons so that's DPS reduction right there. I simply don't have time to get irritated over not getting the weapon that I want after doing vMA. I've read enough post on this forum to give me a strong message of staying away from it until ZOS actually fixes the RNG system in this game. It's bad enough that I'm struggling to get an inferno staff from COA for my mag DK... I can't even imagine wasting 45+ mins just to get a crappy weapon at the end to then redo it all over again.

Oh I will continue to demonizing the raiding community for as long as they keep that elite mentality. Listen I've spent a fortunate upgrading my armor and weapons. I also spent a fortune of my time grinding the same trials over and over again to get the proper weapons that I need for my set. I also spent a fortune hiring crafters to craft my gear. People suggested to me that I should grab TBS gear.... I did exactly that.

Take a look at my current set..

I have all of the qualifications to do vMOL with an exception of not having high DPS to pass the CORE (Most guilds requires you to be in to be part of the vMOL raid) DPS test.. I'm sick of tired of players like me who have to beg just do vMOL. I'm not even after the skins and the achievements. I just want the experience and the education of learning all of the mechanics in vMOL so that one day I can offer the same service to other new vMOL players.

You want me to stop demonizing the raid community? Why don't the raiding community start acting like humans and and offer players like me to have the chance to experience vMOL with other experienced players? Do your community a service by giving other players a chance, and not force them to fork over 3 or 4 million gold for a completion of the trial. Enough of this "Oh you need high CORE dps to do vMOL trials with us"

Yea, your gear is overkill for VMOL. If you actually crunch the DPS numbers needed to complete the whole thing, you only need ~25k single target per DPS member (in the heat of battle!) which is easily achievable with your gear (which is practically optimal by the way).

The gear isn't that important, it's more how well you handle your class and your skill.
My guild could probably easily do it with white, random gear. While many in this thread will struggle with all legendary BiS gear.

Wait.... Wut?

Isn't this what the whole argument is about in this post?

Nope, summed it up here:

DPShiro wrote: »

This thread is now beyond hilarious!!

- Top End Game players don't want casuals and low performing players in their core team, but offer help with progression runs etc for players that are looking to beat it. Of course the spots usually goes to the most dedicated and adaptable players, it is a team effort after all.

- Casuals/low performing players also don't want casuals/low performing players in their team, and they feel entitled to get into a core guild at the top because reasons. Yet they refuse to create their own Guild with like minded people or teams up with other players of their performance.

If the casuals/low performing player don't even what to play with people of similar mindset and skills, why on earth sould other poeple have to?

There is so few challenges left in this game, Veteran Hard Mode Trials are aimed at the End Game players who want a challenge and compete with other, similar teams. And you can experience the story and trial perfectly fine in normal mode, it's the same thing just more appropriate for some people's skills.
You even get mostly the same rewards anyway, and having Gold jewelry or a visual skin won't make you a better player anyway, it's just fluff.

Gear =/= skill.
For example if you give bad players all BiS gear, optimal traits, legendary etc - they still won't be able to use it due to lack of skill.

Miss_Morphine · February 2017

I struggle to call the people who have posted here casual. "Casuals" are usually really awesome people who like content that's not competitive or that doesn't require lots of investment which is perfectly fair. Some people like mma and some people like fishing, you know? Neither one is more valid.

You guys want some kind of messed up status of I guess having completed the hardest content in the game without doing the work. It's not about the experience as you can experience the content on normal mode in the same way just easier. It's not about striving to work hard and conquer a challenge because you're arguing against having to face the much smaller challenge of a DPS test.

You want people to play the way you want them to and not have to change the way you play. The community in this game that doesn't play competitively is a lot better than that. This has left a very sour taste in my mouth. I wanted to believe better of you guys but you defy all logic and reasoning. You have elitist attitudes without the skill to back them up.

P.S. Animation cancelling is not cheating. Zos animation cancels when they test content and Wrobel openly said it's not cheating. Not liking a mechanic doesn't make it cheating.
Also, gear doesn't make or break you. I'm still struggling to get some bis pieces after hundreds of vma weapons and vMoL runs.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2017

Miss_Morphine wrote: »

I struggle to call the people who have posted here casual. "Casuals" are usually really awesome people who like content that's not competitive or that doesn't require lots of investment which is perfectly fair. Some people like mma and some people like fishing, you know? Neither one is more valid.

You guys want some kind of messed up status of I guess having completed the hardest content in the game without doing the work. It's not about the experience as you can experience the content on normal mode in the same way just easier. It's not about striving to work hard and conquer a challenge because you're arguing against having to face the much smaller challenge of a DPS test.

You want people to play the way you want them to and not have to change the way you play. The community in this game that doesn't play competitively is a lot better than that. This has left a very sour taste in my mouth.

P.S. Animation cancelling is not cheating. Zos animation cancels when they test content and Wrobel openly said it's not cheating. Not liking a mechanic doesn't make it cheating.
Also, gear doesn't make or break you. I'm still struggling to get some bis pieces after hundreds of vma weapons and vMoL runs.

Mic Drop!!!

So I am going to throw in my two cents as @miss_morphine and I are on the same core team. We just spent the last 3-4 months working to clear VMOL HM, typically 3 hours a night, 3-4 days a week. When VMOL first dropped, our guild did the exact same thing to get a clear. VMOL is by far the most difficult piece of content released to date, and it was not designed for everyone. And guess what, that's okay.

There are three ways people get clears in here:

First, they work, likely for months with a consistent group. This is true of every guild I know that has a HM clear.

Second, they cheated. Yep, this sucks. Glad they fixed the bug, wish they would do more to remove titles and or skins that weren't earned. It only adds to the problem OP has indicated.

Third, they were carried. Whether they paid for a run, or got subbed in to an already competent group and got a clear on the first or second run. If you cleared this place without spending a solid month running it, news flash you got carried.

Now I am fortunate to have found a really amazing guild. We do not have DPS tests to join, but we do have ranks. Our ranks our based on performance in trials, not on some artificial test. We do open runs and request people that are looking for promotions to post DPS, but we do not require it. I am not even sure what the current bench marks are, but if you can follow the guild moto of "do damage, dont die" you are going to eventually move up. If one of our two core teams needs a player for the night, we look to our "adept" members to fill in. Do well, and you get invited back.

I have joined guilds that required DPS checks in the past and have been booted from guilds for not bothering to take their arbitrary test. To my knowledge, all of them have dissolved. DPS tests on things like bloodspawn are frankly meaningless to me. I have never done that particular test. Raiding at this level takes teamwork and situational awareness. DPS on each fight comes with time and effort. I sure as hell did not pull 40k on the twins the first time I fought them.

That being said, I do believe there needs to be some standards to try difficult content, and if a guild wants to do a DPS test rather than run with people through easier content to see how they actually perform, then that is their right. Your solution? Start a guild with like minded people and progress through on your own. I have no sympathy for anyone that is upset they cant pass the tests of a proven raid guild and is looking to be carried for their first clear.

Sidebar: About animation canceling. Just stop it already. On a typical 40k parse, light weaving is only making up a few K DPS. Yes its a difference, but it does not magically take your from 25k to 40k. Furthermore, we live in a made up world with arbitrary rules set by the creators of said world, AKA the developers. They have said animation cancelling is not cheating and they are happy because it adds a layer of skill to the game. Furthermore, they balance the content they design taking AC into account. Why would any competitive raid bring someone into content like this with someone they know doesnt AC? Sorry but if you cant do a basic medium weave, you dont have the skill required to contribute to a group progressing through VMOL. Sure, you could be carried, but those two things are very different.

rustic_potato · February 2017

If you want to run with my guild you need to meet my guild's requirements. I don't care how much you help people or how well known you are in the community or how much you feel entitled to because reasons.. Meet the requirements or GTFO.. I dont want to spend 2 hours wiping on the Twins and 3 hours wiping oh Rakkhat when I am looking to push for scores.. There are plenty of good players out there who can meet the requirements and not entitled as some of you are..

Shad0wfire99 · February 2017

Miss_Morphine wrote: »

I struggle to call the people who have posted here casual. "Casuals" are usually really awesome people who like content that's not competitive or that doesn't require lots of investment which is perfectly fair. Some people like mma and some people like fishing, you know? Neither one is more valid.

You guys want some kind of messed up status of I guess having completed the hardest content in the game without doing the work. It's not about the experience as you can experience the content on normal mode in the same way just easier. It's not about striving to work hard and conquer a challenge because you're arguing against having to face the much smaller challenge of a DPS test.

You want people to play the way you want them to and not have to change the way you play. The community in this game that doesn't play competitively is a lot better than that. This has left a very sour taste in my mouth. I wanted to believe better of you guys but you defy all logic and reasoning. You have elitist attitudes without the skill to back them up.

P.S. Animation cancelling is not cheating. Zos animation cancels when they test content and Wrobel openly said it's not cheating. Not liking a mechanic doesn't make it cheating.
Also, gear doesn't make or break you. I'm still struggling to get some bis pieces after hundreds of vma weapons and vMoL runs.

This exactly.

Miss_Morphine · February 2017

@Oreyn_Bearclaw I think our adept ranks still have a required DPS benchmark of 30k on a vet trial mostly single target boss. But otherwise I agree entirely and love our guild and our team.

Doctordarkspawn · February 2017

@KoshkaMurka

About the response I expected considering every conversation with you ends with "I dont get the problem". Whether or not your unable or unwilling to understand the issue, I dont care. The explination is there for the people who -can- understand it. I fit into neither 'veteran' or "Normal" and want neither to be held back nor sacrifice all for success. It is what it is.

@Miss_Morphine

I assume your including me in that. Personally I dont care about the 'hardest content in the game'.If I did I'd likely have just picked a meta build and stifled any individuality or creativity I had, but I dont. In fact quite frankly after this thread I think the game would greatly benefit from the removal of titles, and leaderboards to curb the rampant elitism problem.

The problem is not that I am unwilling to succeed. The problem is I have seen systems where I can succeed on my -merit-, not my willingness to sacrifice, and I prefer those. I choose not to drive myself to ruin for the sake of a medal, and whether you acknowledge it or not, the 'all or nothing' craze only hurts the community and game as a whole. The elites leave no room for anyone else but -them-, for the people who want to at the very least experience the content, maybe not even get in with a core group, unless you pay them.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2017

Miss_Morphine wrote: »

@Oreyn_Bearclaw I think our adept ranks still have a required DPS benchmark of 30k on a vet trial mostly single target boss. But otherwise I agree entirely and love our guild and our team.

That sounds about right. I knew it was something close to that. 30k is about right for content like this. You do not need to pull 40k on every trial fight to clear this place or even hardmode, but you do need to know mechanics like the back of your hand. I have pulled 40k+ plus on every fight in there, but there are PLENTY of times I am well below that, which is true of everyone in our raid. Sometimes, **** happens.

My experience with DPS first only guilds is that they can definitely put up a good score, but they struggle with mechanics. They also tend to wipe because people are more concerned about parses than they are about their group and forget (or intentionally ignore) res's and that sort of thing. FIF is not the highest DPS guild by a long shot on PC/NA, but we clear stuff.

kylewwefan · February 2017

Hey champ, I've tried a few pug groups from craglorn at vet MoL. I'm bout ready to shelve my main StamBlade toon hehe. Still haven't beat the first boss, but I pretty much expect that.

Like the good people here say, get a group that's serious about beating it and practice practice practice. Set time limit.

Like you see many of the same names up and down the leaderboard. It's not bad on them; they're likely being asked to help others through there. And if they do so happen to get compensated for the effort....more power to em.

DPShiro · February 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

@KoshkaMurka

About the response I expected considering every conversation with you ends with "I dont get the problem". Whether or not your unable or unwilling to understand the issue, I dont care. The explination is there for the people who -can- understand it. I fit into neither 'veteran' or "Normal" and want neither to be held back nor sacrifice all for success. It is what it is.

@Miss_Morphine

I assume your including me in that. Personally I dont care about the 'hardest content in the game'.If I did I'd likely have just picked a meta build and stifled any individuality or creativity I had, but I dont. In fact quite frankly after this thread I think the game would greatly benefit from the removal of titles, and leaderboards to curb the rampant elitism problem.

The problem is not that I am unwilling to succeed. The problem is I have seen systems where I can succeed on my -merit-, not my willingness to sacrifice, and I prefer those. I choose not to drive myself to ruin for the sake of a medal, and whether you acknowledge it or not, the 'all or nothing' craze only hurts the community and game as a whole. The elites leave no room for anyone else but -them-, for the people who want to at the very least experience the content, maybe not even get in with a core group, unless you pay them.

It's really not that hard to understand. Either you can handle the Veteran version or you can't, and hen you should stick with normal. It's the same content but without the challenge, and since you want to continue with your "creative" builds etc it should suit your needs perfectly.

And here we go again, you complain about the Elites not leaving any room but other Elites, but why is that a bad thing? Or is it as I've said above that players like yourself don't want to play with similar people with the same skills and "creative" builds etc?

Team up with the other special snowflakes and stop complaining!
The entitlement many here have about not being let into a Top Trial team, and even their core team is astounding!

Once again, if you don't want to play with people with similar skills as yourself, why on Nirn should the Elites do so?

Doctordarkspawn · February 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

@KoshkaMurka

About the response I expected considering every conversation with you ends with "I dont get the problem". Whether or not your unable or unwilling to understand the issue, I dont care. The explination is there for the people who -can- understand it. I fit into neither 'veteran' or "Normal" and want neither to be held back nor sacrifice all for success. It is what it is.

@Miss_Morphine

I assume your including me in that. Personally I dont care about the 'hardest content in the game'.If I did I'd likely have just picked a meta build and stifled any individuality or creativity I had, but I dont. In fact quite frankly after this thread I think the game would greatly benefit from the removal of titles, and leaderboards to curb the rampant elitism problem.

The problem is not that I am unwilling to succeed. The problem is I have seen systems where I can succeed on my -merit-, not my willingness to sacrifice, and I prefer those. I choose not to drive myself to ruin for the sake of a medal, and whether you acknowledge it or not, the 'all or nothing' craze only hurts the community and game as a whole. The elites leave no room for anyone else but -them-, for the people who want to at the very least experience the content, maybe not even get in with a core group, unless you pay them.

It's really not that hard to understand. Either you can handle the Veteran version or you can't, and hen you should stick with normal. It's the same content but without the challenge, and since you want to continue with your "creative" builds etc it should suit your needs perfectly.

And here we go again, you complain about the Elites not leaving any room but other Elites, but why is that a bad thing? Or is it as I've said above that players like yourself don't want to play with similar people with the same skills and "creative" builds etc?

Team up with the other special snowflakes and stop complaining!
The entitlement many here have about not being let into a Top Trial team, and even their core team is astounding!

Once again, if you don't want to play with people with similar skills as yourself, why on Nirn should the Elites do so?

Assume skill, assume it is a casual, treat it like subhuman trash. This is why elite's not leaving room for elites is a bad thing. It goes from likeminded people having fun to exclusion, and not for the -right- reasons.

I have no problem not being on the 'core' group of raiders. But if I can pull 30 K DPS, and just wanna do VMoL for the sake of a skin and the experience, why should I be stopped? Because people dont have time for anything not Leaderboards.

Those who do not fit into your extreme should not be violently pushed into the other extreme.

0311shane · February 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

VMoL has turned people into elitists and turned people into liars. Or rather brought those things to the surface, if they've already existed.

You have people comparing DPS scores constantly if you want a chance at getting in a group, and people getting hounded about what gear they're wearing, and who they know. You basically get interviewed at a chance of doing VMoL. And even then the so-called progression teams are a sham. Or so I've experienced from 4 different guilds. It's to the point now some guilds literally break people up as: "Skinned" and "Non-Skinned". The "Non-Skinned" people get treated like ****, and get placed on these strictly timed "progression teams" that really just waste time. And wipe constantly until the time is up for the progression team's "slot", and then at the end give a half-assed speech about how the progress was good. Only for moments later after the run to talk about how the "Skinned" make things so much easier, and how they actually try during those. WTF? And to make matters worse, it's not even like these folks are even applying strategies and methods that they came up with themselves. No. They got it from watching YouTube videos, and communicating with folks who play on PC. Get information from there, and replicate it until it's damn near the same. It's ridiculous.

Oh, and you best believe I'm not leaving out the corrupt side of things. Remember that exploit of Maw? Well there's tons of people with the skin, and don't even know the mechanics. But get treated like royalty whereever they go because of it. I met a CP277 earlier in Grahtwood. Asked how they got the skin, and was told that they, "Got it while the getting was good." Huh? Seriously? And they get treated better than other folks because they exploited for it? Not to mention the carrying nonsense occurring. The so-called "Number 1" end-game PvE guild calling themselves a "Council" on PS4 are selling "Carry Runs" for 2M to anyone wanting the skin. And supposedly the person being carried gets to keep all 12 gold pieces awarded at the end. The hell?

That's where we are as an end-game PvE community right now on console, and it's horrible. It's get shuffled around and bs'd to constantly, unless you know someone who'll "make time for you" to get tested relentlessly. Get thrown in half-added progression teams. Get treated like ****, spoken down to, lied to, and forgotten about for the most part. And hope you just can click-up with the "pros" to let you into a dedicated Maw group.

Why am I even talking about this, being as how I do often speak of preferring solo play and being on my own? Because I witnessed the crap first-hand for myself not too long ago, and am disgusted. And plus I've had experience of what is occurring myself. Even as a guy who solo's vet dungeons on hard mode, has flawless, has beaten all vet trials on hard mode — I'm labeled as "progression" and "subpar" due to not having a damn Maw skin. And because of the bs, I probably won't ever get it. Damn the fact I know mechanics of the place inside and out. Damn the fact I put up with DPS tests in the past from this and that guild, when I hate the stupid tests to begin with. Damn the fact I can do what most can't, and have video footage of me doing so. Damn all that. That means nothing, all because my skin isn't black with shiny blue inserts. I've been lied to by guild after guild, and people who I thought were friends. All because of something Maw related usually being behind it. I'm so sick and tired of the ****, you won't believe it.

And it's not just Maw that this crap started. No. The elitism and segregation REALLY kicked off with the Stormproof emergence. If you weren't Stormproof, you didn't mean squat. And we're ignored and treated like filth. Now it's Maw. And because of the events that happened previously, it's 10x worse than back then. Except when back then (and to this day somewhat people account shared for Stormproof clears. And paid others to get leaderboard runs. This still occurs, but not as much as it used to.

Most if not all of them dont have a life outside of ESO

SuperLarrio · February 2017

I want to run in the Olympics on the USA relay team and win a gold medal...Im not very fast though and dont plan on training. I would like one of the other runners to run their leg of the race then simply come back, pick me up, and run fast enough carrying me to win a gold medal. If they refuse i will be mad because I want to do it and i should be entitled to it since i at least know how to run...

And PS, i have the very best in running shoes and track gear money can buy, it doesnt make me faster but i dont care.

AverageJo3Gam3r · February 2017

So....why not start your own vMOL group?

X3ina · February 2017

Point of this thread: na na na... people don't want to waste their time, na na na... their time means nothing for me, na na na... my time is precious, na na na... i want everything + for free + right now !!! Amirite ?

Dude that linked his gear ... it is outdated xDDD

Dude that told that bis gear makes about 10-15k dps ... you are very very wrong^^

P.S.: Stop flooding here we need some reinforcements in other threads such as "Warden class", "Next chapter: Morrowind" and such

Doctordarkspawn · February 2017

X3ina wrote: »

Point of this thread: na na na... people don't want to waste their time, na na na... their time means nothing for me, na na na... my time is precious, na na na... i want everything + for free + right now !!! Amirite ?

Dude that linked his gear ... it is outdated xDDD

Dude that told that bis gear makes about 10-15k dps ... you are very very wrong^^

P.S.: Stop flooding here we need some reinforcements in other threads such as "Warden class", "Next chapter: Morrowind" and such

Not gonna stop talking about it because you say so.

X3ina · February 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

Point of this thread: na na na... people don't want to waste their time, na na na... their time means nothing for me, na na na... my time is precious, na na na... i want everything + for free + right now !!! Amirite ?

Dude that linked his gear ... it is outdated xDDD

Dude that told that bis gear makes about 10-15k dps ... you are very very wrong^^

P.S.: Stop flooding here we need some reinforcements in other threads such as "Warden class", "Next chapter: Morrowind" and such

Not gonna stop talking about it because you say so.

Salt incoming ?

LadyNalcarya · February 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

@KoshkaMurka

About the response I expected considering every conversation with you ends with "I dont get the problem". Whether or not your unable or unwilling to understand the issue, I dont care. The explination is there for the people who -can- understand it. I fit into neither 'veteran' or "Normal" and want neither to be held back nor sacrifice all for success. It is what it is.

@Miss_Morphine

I assume your including me in that. Personally I dont care about the 'hardest content in the game'.If I did I'd likely have just picked a meta build and stifled any individuality or creativity I had, but I dont. In fact quite frankly after this thread I think the game would greatly benefit from the removal of titles, and leaderboards to curb the rampant elitism problem.

The problem is not that I am unwilling to succeed. The problem is I have seen systems where I can succeed on my -merit-, not my willingness to sacrifice, and I prefer those. I choose not to drive myself to ruin for the sake of a medal, and whether you acknowledge it or not, the 'all or nothing' craze only hurts the community and game as a whole. The elites leave no room for anyone else but -them-, for the people who want to at the very least experience the content, maybe not even get in with a core group, unless you pay them.

It's really not that hard to understand. Either you can handle the Veteran version or you can't, and hen you should stick with normal. It's the same content but without the challenge, and since you want to continue with your "creative" builds etc it should suit your needs perfectly.

And here we go again, you complain about the Elites not leaving any room but other Elites, but why is that a bad thing? Or is it as I've said above that players like yourself don't want to play with similar people with the same skills and "creative" builds etc?

Team up with the other special snowflakes and stop complaining!
The entitlement many here have about not being let into a Top Trial team, and even their core team is astounding!

Once again, if you don't want to play with people with similar skills as yourself, why on Nirn should the Elites do so?

Assume skill, assume it is a casual, treat it like subhuman trash. This is why elite's not leaving room for elites is a bad thing. It goes from likeminded people having fun to exclusion, and not for the -right- reasons.

I have no problem not being on the 'core' group of raiders. But if I can pull 30 K DPS, and just wanna do VMoL for the sake of a skin and the experience, why should I be stopped? Because people dont have time for anything not Leaderboards.

Those who do not fit into your extreme should not be violently pushed into the other extreme.

Sorry, but thats just... Delusional.
You're assuming a lot, but lets imagine its true, just for a moment.
...
Dude, if someone is violently pushing you, you have to stop playing with them. Or, if it happens irl, you should call the police. Thats just... Horrible.
And why the hell are you so docile that you're basically allowing those evil people to push you? We both know that the majority of the playerbase is casual, why wont you play with them instead of trying to earn evil elitist's respect? That just doesnt make any sense.
...
But seriously, according to your posts "elitists" are some kind of gods, they're capable of manipulating everyone's minds and everyone has to obey them. I wish it was true... Would be really cool to become an evil illuminati goddess just because I killed some bosses in a video game.

Where are my slaves and super-powers?
Ahem...
So, the real question is, why wont you find a friendly casual team and just play with them? Why you even bother about "elitists" and their guilds? There's plenty of "middle tier" guilds that arent focused on leaderboards and they would gladly accept you. Some of them are capable of killing vet Rakkhat.
And I'm sorry but expecting a spot in "elite" guilds just because you want a vMoL skin just doesnt make any sense. They dont owe you anything, and they wont invest time and effort in someone who isnt interested in score runs and will probably leave them as soon as he gets the skin/title. And its not elitist, its just common sense. Are you willing to dedicate all your time to someone else's vanity? I really doubt it. So dont expect that from other people.
@DPSiro has a very good point. Why "non-elite" (lets use this word as you're triggered by C-word) players dont want to play with other "non-elite" people? It would've been more fun, right? And why expect to be accepted by people that you despise? Just to use them so you can get vMoL skin easily?

Not gonna happen

Doctordarkspawn · February 2017

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

@KoshkaMurka

About the response I expected considering every conversation with you ends with "I dont get the problem". Whether or not your unable or unwilling to understand the issue, I dont care. The explination is there for the people who -can- understand it. I fit into neither 'veteran' or "Normal" and want neither to be held back nor sacrifice all for success. It is what it is.

@Miss_Morphine

I assume your including me in that. Personally I dont care about the 'hardest content in the game'.If I did I'd likely have just picked a meta build and stifled any individuality or creativity I had, but I dont. In fact quite frankly after this thread I think the game would greatly benefit from the removal of titles, and leaderboards to curb the rampant elitism problem.

The problem is not that I am unwilling to succeed. The problem is I have seen systems where I can succeed on my -merit-, not my willingness to sacrifice, and I prefer those. I choose not to drive myself to ruin for the sake of a medal, and whether you acknowledge it or not, the 'all or nothing' craze only hurts the community and game as a whole. The elites leave no room for anyone else but -them-, for the people who want to at the very least experience the content, maybe not even get in with a core group, unless you pay them.

It's really not that hard to understand. Either you can handle the Veteran version or you can't, and hen you should stick with normal. It's the same content but without the challenge, and since you want to continue with your "creative" builds etc it should suit your needs perfectly.

And here we go again, you complain about the Elites not leaving any room but other Elites, but why is that a bad thing? Or is it as I've said above that players like yourself don't want to play with similar people with the same skills and "creative" builds etc?

Team up with the other special snowflakes and stop complaining!
The entitlement many here have about not being let into a Top Trial team, and even their core team is astounding!

Once again, if you don't want to play with people with similar skills as yourself, why on Nirn should the Elites do so?

Assume skill, assume it is a casual, treat it like subhuman trash. This is why elite's not leaving room for elites is a bad thing. It goes from likeminded people having fun to exclusion, and not for the -right- reasons.

I have no problem not being on the 'core' group of raiders. But if I can pull 30 K DPS, and just wanna do VMoL for the sake of a skin and the experience, why should I be stopped? Because people dont have time for anything not Leaderboards.

Those who do not fit into your extreme should not be violently pushed into the other extreme.

Sorry, but thats just... Delusional.
You're assuming a lot, but lets imagine its true, just for a moment.
...
Dude, if someone is violently pushing you, you have to stop playing with them. Or, if it happens irl, you should call the police. Thats just... Horrible.
And why the hell are you so docile that you're basically allowing those evil people to push you? We both know that the majority of the playerbase is casual, why wont you play with them instead of trying to earn evil elitist's respect? That just doesnt make any sense.
...
But seriously, according to your posts "elitists" are some kind of gods, they're capable of manipulating everyone's minds and everyone has to obey them. I wish it was true... Would be really cool to become an evil illuminati goddess just because I killed some bosses in a video game. Where are my slaves and super-powers?
Ahem...
So, the real question is, why wont you find a friendly casual team and just play with them? Why you even bother about "elitists" and their guilds? There's plenty of "middle tier" guilds that arent focused on leaderboards and they would gladly accept you. Some of them are capable of killing vet Rakkhat.
And I'm sorry but expecting a spot in "elite" guilds just because you want a vMoL skin just doesnt make any sense. They dont owe you anything, and they wont invest time and effort in someone who isnt interested in score runs and will probably leave them as soon as he gets the skin/title. And its not elitist, its just common sense. Are you willing to dedicate all your time to someone else's vanity? I really doubt it. So dont expect that from other people.
@DPSiro has a very good point. Why "non-elite" (lets use this word as you're triggered by C-word) players dont want to play with other "non-elite" people? It would've been more fun, right? And why expect to be accepted by people that you despise? Just to use them so you can get vMoL skin easily? Not gonna happen

...Your taking a metaphor and a situation out of context and way, way too literal, to the point where I think your being deliberately obtuse. Please read the conversation again and ping me when you have.

But to kinda keep a point more in line with the actual topic, lets take something from another thread as an example of how elitist mentality can have an effect on the population.

So I tried to make a DPS a while back. Didn't last long but I had a interesting experience when I was doing it. I was looking for a tank, because I generally do dungeons, vet ones, with the standard roles for the sake of time. I keep geting whispered by this increasingly frustraited person who kept telling me I didn't need a tank.

When I asked him where he got that, he told me everyone knows you dont need a tank. Everyone knows that you can do vet dungeons without a tank. He wouldn't specify, just that these nebulous -everyone- told him tanks arrent needed. Then when I refused to come around to that, he tried to rally zone against me.

This is the kind of effect repeating rhetoric has on people. Shout something at new people long enough and their going to believe it. In this case, it was 'tanks arrent needed'. What if it's something actually harmfull next time?

LadyNalcarya · February 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

@KoshkaMurka

About the response I expected considering every conversation with you ends with "I dont get the problem". Whether or not your unable or unwilling to understand the issue, I dont care. The explination is there for the people who -can- understand it. I fit into neither 'veteran' or "Normal" and want neither to be held back nor sacrifice all for success. It is what it is.

@Miss_Morphine

I assume your including me in that. Personally I dont care about the 'hardest content in the game'.If I did I'd likely have just picked a meta build and stifled any individuality or creativity I had, but I dont. In fact quite frankly after this thread I think the game would greatly benefit from the removal of titles, and leaderboards to curb the rampant elitism problem.

The problem is not that I am unwilling to succeed. The problem is I have seen systems where I can succeed on my -merit-, not my willingness to sacrifice, and I prefer those. I choose not to drive myself to ruin for the sake of a medal, and whether you acknowledge it or not, the 'all or nothing' craze only hurts the community and game as a whole. The elites leave no room for anyone else but -them-, for the people who want to at the very least experience the content, maybe not even get in with a core group, unless you pay them.

It's really not that hard to understand. Either you can handle the Veteran version or you can't, and hen you should stick with normal. It's the same content but without the challenge, and since you want to continue with your "creative" builds etc it should suit your needs perfectly.

And here we go again, you complain about the Elites not leaving any room but other Elites, but why is that a bad thing? Or is it as I've said above that players like yourself don't want to play with similar people with the same skills and "creative" builds etc?

Team up with the other special snowflakes and stop complaining!
The entitlement many here have about not being let into a Top Trial team, and even their core team is astounding!

Once again, if you don't want to play with people with similar skills as yourself, why on Nirn should the Elites do so?

Assume skill, assume it is a casual, treat it like subhuman trash. This is why elite's not leaving room for elites is a bad thing. It goes from likeminded people having fun to exclusion, and not for the -right- reasons.

I have no problem not being on the 'core' group of raiders. But if I can pull 30 K DPS, and just wanna do VMoL for the sake of a skin and the experience, why should I be stopped? Because people dont have time for anything not Leaderboards.

Those who do not fit into your extreme should not be violently pushed into the other extreme.

Sorry, but thats just... Delusional.
You're assuming a lot, but lets imagine its true, just for a moment.
...
Dude, if someone is violently pushing you, you have to stop playing with them. Or, if it happens irl, you should call the police. Thats just... Horrible.
And why the hell are you so docile that you're basically allowing those evil people to push you? We both know that the majority of the playerbase is casual, why wont you play with them instead of trying to earn evil elitist's respect? That just doesnt make any sense.
...
But seriously, according to your posts "elitists" are some kind of gods, they're capable of manipulating everyone's minds and everyone has to obey them. I wish it was true... Would be really cool to become an evil illuminati goddess just because I killed some bosses in a video game. Where are my slaves and super-powers?
Ahem...
So, the real question is, why wont you find a friendly casual team and just play with them? Why you even bother about "elitists" and their guilds? There's plenty of "middle tier" guilds that arent focused on leaderboards and they would gladly accept you. Some of them are capable of killing vet Rakkhat.
And I'm sorry but expecting a spot in "elite" guilds just because you want a vMoL skin just doesnt make any sense. They dont owe you anything, and they wont invest time and effort in someone who isnt interested in score runs and will probably leave them as soon as he gets the skin/title. And its not elitist, its just common sense. Are you willing to dedicate all your time to someone else's vanity? I really doubt it. So dont expect that from other people.
@DPSiro has a very good point. Why "non-elite" (lets use this word as you're triggered by C-word) players dont want to play with other "non-elite" people? It would've been more fun, right? And why expect to be accepted by people that you despise? Just to use them so you can get vMoL skin easily? Not gonna happen

...Your taking a metaphor and a situation out of context and way, way too literal, to the point where I think your being deliberately obtuse. Please read the conversation again and ping me when you have.

You're the one that needs to re-read the conversation.

And idk, play the game maybe?
Because youre arguments about evil elitists are as realistic as Slenderman creepypasta. It looks like you are responding to some image in your head, not to actual posters.

DPShiro · February 2017

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

@KoshkaMurka

About the response I expected considering every conversation with you ends with "I dont get the problem". Whether or not your unable or unwilling to understand the issue, I dont care. The explination is there for the people who -can- understand it. I fit into neither 'veteran' or "Normal" and want neither to be held back nor sacrifice all for success. It is what it is.

@Miss_Morphine

I assume your including me in that. Personally I dont care about the 'hardest content in the game'.If I did I'd likely have just picked a meta build and stifled any individuality or creativity I had, but I dont. In fact quite frankly after this thread I think the game would greatly benefit from the removal of titles, and leaderboards to curb the rampant elitism problem.

The problem is not that I am unwilling to succeed. The problem is I have seen systems where I can succeed on my -merit-, not my willingness to sacrifice, and I prefer those. I choose not to drive myself to ruin for the sake of a medal, and whether you acknowledge it or not, the 'all or nothing' craze only hurts the community and game as a whole. The elites leave no room for anyone else but -them-, for the people who want to at the very least experience the content, maybe not even get in with a core group, unless you pay them.

It's really not that hard to understand. Either you can handle the Veteran version or you can't, and hen you should stick with normal. It's the same content but without the challenge, and since you want to continue with your "creative" builds etc it should suit your needs perfectly.

And here we go again, you complain about the Elites not leaving any room but other Elites, but why is that a bad thing? Or is it as I've said above that players like yourself don't want to play with similar people with the same skills and "creative" builds etc?

Team up with the other special snowflakes and stop complaining!
The entitlement many here have about not being let into a Top Trial team, and even their core team is astounding!

Once again, if you don't want to play with people with similar skills as yourself, why on Nirn should the Elites do so?

Assume skill, assume it is a casual, treat it like subhuman trash. This is why elite's not leaving room for elites is a bad thing. It goes from likeminded people having fun to exclusion, and not for the -right- reasons.

I have no problem not being on the 'core' group of raiders. But if I can pull 30 K DPS, and just wanna do VMoL for the sake of a skin and the experience, why should I be stopped? Because people dont have time for anything not Leaderboards.

Those who do not fit into your extreme should not be violently pushed into the other extreme.

Sorry, but thats just... Delusional.
You're assuming a lot, but lets imagine its true, just for a moment.
...
Dude, if someone is violently pushing you, you have to stop playing with them. Or, if it happens irl, you should call the police. Thats just... Horrible.
And why the hell are you so docile that you're basically allowing those evil people to push you? We both know that the majority of the playerbase is casual, why wont you play with them instead of trying to earn evil elitist's respect? That just doesnt make any sense.
...
But seriously, according to your posts "elitists" are some kind of gods, they're capable of manipulating everyone's minds and everyone has to obey them. I wish it was true... Would be really cool to become an evil illuminati goddess just because I killed some bosses in a video game. Where are my slaves and super-powers?
Ahem...
So, the real question is, why wont you find a friendly casual team and just play with them? Why you even bother about "elitists" and their guilds? There's plenty of "middle tier" guilds that arent focused on leaderboards and they would gladly accept you. Some of them are capable of killing vet Rakkhat.
And I'm sorry but expecting a spot in "elite" guilds just because you want a vMoL skin just doesnt make any sense. They dont owe you anything, and they wont invest time and effort in someone who isnt interested in score runs and will probably leave them as soon as he gets the skin/title. And its not elitist, its just common sense. Are you willing to dedicate all your time to someone else's vanity? I really doubt it. So dont expect that from other people.
@DPSiro has a very good point. Why "non-elite" (lets use this word as you're triggered by C-word) players dont want to play with other "non-elite" people? It would've been more fun, right? And why expect to be accepted by people that you despise? Just to use them so you can get vMoL skin easily? Not gonna happen

I wish I could give this post more awesome's!

UnyieldingFlame · February 2017

Yup, the endgame PvE community is absolutely terrible and extremely elitist on PS4 NA. And this is coming from a top endgame PvEer from PC NA who was apart of all the #1 PvE guilds at the beginning of PC release before Champion Points. Went to console because of a few good friends and because all the guilds I were in became inactive after champion points were release.

All my friends on console ended up quitting the game except one, and I was able to start up a solid endgame guild. But as I said I was a PC transfer and people hated me because of what I did in Cyrodil and other very silly rumors. And I have to put up with so much hate mail from PvEers and PvPers alike, its ridiculous and got really old. Ended up quitting because the community was shutting me out of endgame group content because of a few jerks who spread false rumors about me. On PC I was really well respected and did thousand of trials run and progression to help other groups out, but on console can't even get a trial invite because people believe what a few say about me within there circle of elitism. Also my guild got world first completion SO, HM Hel ra, AA, and Hel ra, even won a PvE tournament hosted by Zenimax on PC. Was in Entropy Rising, Last Prodigies, Purple, and etc. Had a lot of fun running trials on PC, but on console just miserably everywhere with anyone really.

So it's a major problem on console or maybe just PS4 in general, never had any problems on PC with endgame at all. It just people who aren't even good at all most of the time who simply get in because they kiss ass so much. Wish I never transfer over to Console because of a few friends that ended up quitting anyway. Biggest mistake ever in gaming that I have done.

Attackopsn · February 2017

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

Yup, the endgame PvE community is absolutely terrible and extremely elitist on PS4 NA. And this is coming from a top endgame PvEer from PC NA who was apart of all the #1 PvE guilds at the beginning of PC release before Champion Points. Went to console because of a few good friends and because all the guilds I were in became inactive after champion points were release.

All my friends on console ended up quitting the game except one, and I was able to start up a solid endgame guild. But as I said I was a PC transfer and people hated me because of what I did in Cyrodil and other very silly rumors. And I have to put up with so much hate mail from PvEers and PvPers alike, its ridiculous and got really old. Ended up quitting because the community was shutting me out of endgame group content because of a few jerks who spread false rumors about me. On PC I was really well respected and did thousand of trials run and progression to help other groups out, but on console can't even get a trial invite because people believe what a few say about me within there circle of elitism. Also my guild got world first completion SO, HM Hel ra, AA, and Hel ra, even won a PvE tournament hosted by Zenimax on PC. Was in Entropy Rising, Last Prodigies, Purple, and etc. Had a lot of fun running trials on PC, but on console just miserably everywhere with anyone really.

So it's a major problem on console or maybe just PS4 in general, never had any problems on PC with endgame at all. It just people who aren't even good at all most of the time who simply get in because they kiss ass so much. Wish I never transfer over to Console because of a few friends that ended up quitting anyway. Biggest mistake ever in gaming that I have done.

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Lists ways he was treated and has no explanation as to why he was treated in these ways because if said explanation was given there would be less sympathy to above essay

Ch4mpTW · February 2017

Attackopsn wrote: »

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

Yup, the endgame PvE community is absolutely terrible and extremely elitist on PS4 NA. And this is coming from a top endgame PvEer from PC NA who was apart of all the #1 PvE guilds at the beginning of PC release before Champion Points. Went to console because of a few good friends and because all the guilds I were in became inactive after champion points were release.

All my friends on console ended up quitting the game except one, and I was able to start up a solid endgame guild. But as I said I was a PC transfer and people hated me because of what I did in Cyrodil and other very silly rumors. And I have to put up with so much hate mail from PvEers and PvPers alike, its ridiculous and got really old. Ended up quitting because the community was shutting me out of endgame group content because of a few jerks who spread false rumors about me. On PC I was really well respected and did thousand of trials run and progression to help other groups out, but on console can't even get a trial invite because people believe what a few say about me within there circle of elitism. Also my guild got world first completion SO, HM Hel ra, AA, and Hel ra, even won a PvE tournament hosted by Zenimax on PC. Was in Entropy Rising, Last Prodigies, Purple, and etc. Had a lot of fun running trials on PC, but on console just miserably everywhere with anyone really.

So it's a major problem on console or maybe just PS4 in general, never had any problems on PC with endgame at all. It just people who aren't even good at all most of the time who simply get in because they kiss ass so much. Wish I never transfer over to Console because of a few friends that ended up quitting anyway. Biggest mistake ever in gaming that I have done.

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Lists ways he was treated and has no explanation as to why he was treated in these ways because if said explanation was given there would be less sympathy to above essay

How you received an agree, I have no idea. I can't even decipher what it is you're talking about. Above person treated people to be treated in listed ways? What? Dude... I hate to be "that guy", but grammar and punctuation are your friend. And I make NUMEROUS grammatical errors on a regular basis, but damn. That post had me all messed up.

Are we seriously at a point on the forums where we handout agrees and awesomes to things that don't even make sense, and are half-written? Really guys? I understand a handful or so of you dislike me, and will go against whatever I post regardless of its basis. But damn.

Miss_Morphine · February 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

Yup, the endgame PvE community is absolutely terrible and extremely elitist on PS4 NA. And this is coming from a top endgame PvEer from PC NA who was apart of all the #1 PvE guilds at the beginning of PC release before Champion Points. Went to console because of a few good friends and because all the guilds I were in became inactive after champion points were release.

All my friends on console ended up quitting the game except one, and I was able to start up a solid endgame guild. But as I said I was a PC transfer and people hated me because of what I did in Cyrodil and other very silly rumors. And I have to put up with so much hate mail from PvEers and PvPers alike, its ridiculous and got really old. Ended up quitting because the community was shutting me out of endgame group content because of a few jerks who spread false rumors about me. On PC I was really well respected and did thousand of trials run and progression to help other groups out, but on console can't even get a trial invite because people believe what a few say about me within there circle of elitism. Also my guild got world first completion SO, HM Hel ra, AA, and Hel ra, even won a PvE tournament hosted by Zenimax on PC. Was in Entropy Rising, Last Prodigies, Purple, and etc. Had a lot of fun running trials on PC, but on console just miserably everywhere with anyone really.

So it's a major problem on console or maybe just PS4 in general, never had any problems on PC with endgame at all. It just people who aren't even good at all most of the time who simply get in because they kiss ass so much. Wish I never transfer over to Console because of a few friends that ended up quitting anyway. Biggest mistake ever in gaming that I have done.

Forgets to mention how above person treated people to be treated in listed ways

Lists ways he was treated and has no explanation as to why he was treated in these ways because if said explanation was given there would be less sympathy to above essay

How you received an agree, I have no idea. I can't even decipher what it is you're talking about. Above person treated people to be treated in listed ways? What? Dude... I hate to be "that guy", but grammar and punctuation are your friend. And I make NUMEROUS grammatical errors on a regular basis, but damn. That post had me all messed up.

Are we seriously at a point on the forums where we handout agrees and awesomes to things that don't even make sense, and are half-written? Really guys? I understand a handful or so of you dislike me, and will go against whatever I post regardless of its basis. But damn.

Gave you an agree because I do agree whether I like you or not. I have no idea what he's talking talking about.

Ch4mpTW · February 2017

Miss_Morphine wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

Yup, the endgame PvE community is absolutely terrible and extremely elitist on PS4 NA. And this is coming from a top endgame PvEer from PC NA who was apart of all the #1 PvE guilds at the beginning of PC release before Champion Points. Went to console because of a few good friends and because all the guilds I were in became inactive after champion points were release.

All my friends on console ended up quitting the game except one, and I was able to start up a solid endgame guild. But as I said I was a PC transfer and people hated me because of what I did in Cyrodil and other very silly rumors. And I have to put up with so much hate mail from PvEers and PvPers alike, its ridiculous and got really old. Ended up quitting because the community was shutting me out of endgame group content because of a few jerks who spread false rumors about me. On PC I was really well respected and did thousand of trials run and progression to help other groups out, but on console can't even get a trial invite because people believe what a few say about me within there circle of elitism. Also my guild got world first completion SO, HM Hel ra, AA, and Hel ra, even won a PvE tournament hosted by Zenimax on PC. Was in Entropy Rising, Last Prodigies, Purple, and etc. Had a lot of fun running trials on PC, but on console just miserably everywhere with anyone really.

So it's a major problem on console or maybe just PS4 in general, never had any problems on PC with endgame at all. It just people who aren't even good at all most of the time who simply get in because they kiss ass so much. Wish I never transfer over to Console because of a few friends that ended up quitting anyway. Biggest mistake ever in gaming that I have done.

Forgets to mention how above person treated people to be treated in listed ways

Lists ways he was treated and has no explanation as to why he was treated in these ways because if said explanation was given there would be less sympathy to above essay

How you received an agree, I have no idea. I can't even decipher what it is you're talking about. Above person treated people to be treated in listed ways? What? Dude... I hate to be "that guy", but grammar and punctuation are your friend. And I make NUMEROUS grammatical errors on a regular basis, but damn. That post had me all messed up.

Are we seriously at a point on the forums where we handout agrees and awesomes to things that don't even make sense, and are half-written? Really guys? I understand a handful or so of you dislike me, and will go against whatever I post regardless of its basis. But damn.

Gave you an agree because I do agree whether I like you or not. I have no idea what he's talking talking about.

@Miss_Morphine Lol thanks. I appreciate it. I'm not even trying to be a scumbag either, but I genuinely got messed up reading that. Like you know you read something, and you have to pause for a moment. Read over it again, and then read in segments to try and understand? I did that 3 times, and still couldn't understand. ._.

UnyieldingFlame · February 2017

@Attackopsn
Because I deleted you off PSN and for good reason, turn out you were a two faced scoundrel who only use people for your own benefit and then threw them away when not needed. You got mad and started spreading every bit of false negative things about me to settle it your way, people told me what you did. Treated others poorly who weren't in your little group of elitist and threw a temper tantrum when you didn't get your way. Still see that you play 24/7 wasting your young pathetic life not going to school or no future of getting a career. And acting above others which doesn't sit tight with anyone in the real world.

In the end I simply was trying to enjoy the game and had my fun on PC, however, the same can not be said on console. There is simply too many childish people on console unfortunately.

EDIT: Oh, and nice nonsensical sentence, seem like a lack of a proper education.

Ch4mpTW · February 2017

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

@Attackopsn
Because I deleted you off PSN and for good reason, turn out you were a two faced scoundrel who only use people for your own benefit and then threw them away when not needed. You got mad and started spreading every bit of false negative things about me to settle it your way, people told me what you did. Treated others poorly who weren't in your little group of elitist and threw a temper tantrum when you didn't get your way. Still see that you play 24/7 wasting your young pathetic life not going to school or no future of getting a career. And acting above others which doesn't sit tight with anyone in the real world.

In the end I simply was trying to enjoy the game and had my fun on PC, however, the same can not be said on console. There is simply too many childish people on console unfortunately.

EDIT: Oh, and nice nonsensical sentence, seem like a lack of a proper education.

You sir win the Internet for the next 2 days. Hot damn. I haven't seen someone give such a heartfelt and brutally truthful post in MONTHS here on the forums. Ay feel free to add me on PSN. I like you, and pleasure to meet ya. Name is Champ. We should link-up sometime, and grind or PvP together.

Post was so damn savage, I had to turn on some 21 Savage, and damn near squared-up with myself. Sometimes you just read something so powerful, you get pumped and feel like running that fade. Just because. Lmao. Nothing be wrong, but you just gotta give something the hands.

UnyieldingFlame · February 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

@Attackopsn
Because I deleted you off PSN and for good reason, turn out you were a two faced scoundrel who only use people for your own benefit and then threw them away when not needed. You got mad and started spreading every bit of false negative things about me to settle it your way, people told me what you did. Treated others poorly who weren't in your little group of elitist and threw a temper tantrum when you didn't get your way. Still see that you play 24/7 wasting your young pathetic life not going to school or no future of getting a career. And acting above others which doesn't sit tight with anyone in the real world.

In the end I simply was trying to enjoy the game and had my fun on PC, however, the same can not be said on console. There is simply too many childish people on console unfortunately.

EDIT: Oh, and nice nonsensical sentence, seem like a lack of a proper education.

You sir win the Internet for the next 2 days. Hot damn. I haven't seen someone give such a heartfelt and brutally truthful post in MONTHS here on the forums. Ay feel free to add me on PSN. I like you, and pleasure to meet ya. Name is Champ. We should link-up sometime, and grind or PvP together.

Post was so damn savage, I had to turn on some 21 Savage, and damn near squared-up with myself. Sometimes you just read something so powerful, you get pumped and feel like running that fade. Just because. Lmao. Nothing be wrong, but you just gotta give something the hands.

Yeah, I wish it wasn't true though. Only had a few really good friends who play the game, however, they don't play anymore for the same reason stated above. A community driven by deceit and fuel by hate is something I want no part in. And yes! You can add me if you like on PSN, however I been busy lately with RL and haven't been online for a couple of months.

Ch4mpTW · February 2017

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

@Attackopsn
Because I deleted you off PSN and for good reason, turn out you were a two faced scoundrel who only use people for your own benefit and then threw them away when not needed. You got mad and started spreading every bit of false negative things about me to settle it your way, people told me what you did. Treated others poorly who weren't in your little group of elitist and threw a temper tantrum when you didn't get your way. Still see that you play 24/7 wasting your young pathetic life not going to school or no future of getting a career. And acting above others which doesn't sit tight with anyone in the real world.

In the end I simply was trying to enjoy the game and had my fun on PC, however, the same can not be said on console. There is simply too many childish people on console unfortunately.

EDIT: Oh, and nice nonsensical sentence, seem like a lack of a proper education.

You sir win the Internet for the next 2 days. Hot damn. I haven't seen someone give such a heartfelt and brutally truthful post in MONTHS here on the forums. Ay feel free to add me on PSN. I like you, and pleasure to meet ya. Name is Champ. We should link-up sometime, and grind or PvP together.

Post was so damn savage, I had to turn on some 21 Savage, and damn near squared-up with myself. Sometimes you just read something so powerful, you get pumped and feel like running that fade. Just because. Lmao. Nothing be wrong, but you just gotta give something the hands.

Yeah, I wish it wasn't true though. Only had a few really good friends who play the game, however, they don't play anymore for the same reason stated above. A community driven by deceit and fuel by hate is something I want no part in. And yes! You can add me if you like on PSN, however I been busy lately with RL and haven't been online for a couple of months.

Most excellent. I'll send you a message with my contact there, if you can't already find it in this thread (the Overwatch picture).