Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have a sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes
both in PvP as well as PvE.
nightblade simply does not have the sustain in both pvp and pve.
the invisibility needs rebuilt
ect ect ect ...

please, make a proper assassin class for morrowind launch.

Do you seriously expect them to make a NB 2 that is better in every area to cater to your specific needs, and worst of all, before June???

Magblade definitely needs a buff, no doubt, but you seem to be asking for a new class that is unquestionably better than nightblades in every aspect (cough magsorcs cough). Also, sustain? Have you tried siphoning attacks?

ArchMikem wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes

Yeah? That's how it's meant to be, Assassins are skilled in quick and swift kills. Putting that in gameplay terms, Assassins are Gankers who rely on burst damage. Assassins are not meant to win drawn out fights.

And the PvP community wants them nerfed to be unable to gank. Which kind of destroys the whole idea of the class.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

they arent built like what you have written on paper.
needs a assassin class built properly.

Ever think maybe its your NB? Have some realistic expectations instead of just asking for a redesigned NB.

Your classic nightblade assassin kills without being caught or seen.

Nightblades fight from stealth, using concealment as their armor, they attack with quick decisive blows that kill the enemy fast.

They do NOT fight face to face or toe to toe. Even in a boss fight.

A good nightblade takes months of learning to play, you have to learn to burn down enemies without them being able to see what hit them.

For standard mobs, use your Blade of Woe. Get them from behind. If you can, get past them without being seen. A good assassin picks his targets carefully, and doesn't kill everything, just what is needed. So if you do a delve, challenge yourself to get to the boss killing as little as possible on the way through.
For boss mobs, hit from stealth, dodge, hide, repeat.

You had two DLC catered to you(Thieves Guild & Dark Brotherhood) the rest of us were forced into a Nightblade playstyle just to participate, f your NB.

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Sustain? Siphoning Attacks, 'yuge sustain.
Health? mNB has no problem with it, sNB has it rough especially without vigor unlocked.

What do they have in exchange for this very strong and not weak sustain? Big burst damage, popping out of stealth and eliminating someone. Cloak is incredibly powerful for surviving in an extended fight, when it's not busy being buggy as a skill.

They lack some beef, especially compared to more stationary classes like Temp or DK, compared to Sorcerers NB have issues bringing up the same AoE power and well...

Let's be frank, Nightblades have always needed to be less twitchy than they are in terms of game stability. We do not need another "assassin" to fix that.

if our only assassin class has issues, how would another assassin class solve it? makes no sense....

A stamblade has been my main toon since I started playing this game about 2 years ago. Their kit gives them the highest crit chance and burst damage, especially from stealth. They have the only stam-based gap closer and execute of any class, making dual-wield also viable for PvP (it's already expected for high-end PvE). Plus they have unique crippling skills that shred their opponents armor and arguably the best CC in the game (Fear...man I love that skill). So I think that makes them fulfill the assassin role nicely.

No they don't have the heals or resource sustain of a stamsorc (Dark Deal, Crit Surge) or stamDK (Igneous Shield for major mending and Earthen Heart passives)...but their Siphoning Attacks definitely helps in this area (although slotting it means you usually give up some damage somewhere).

My biggest concern is when ZOS starts to undermine their burst potential. For example in the Housing patch on PTS (and soon to be live) the cost of their Assassination ult went from 50 to 70. I don't think that was a good move, as this skill creates a 6 second "kill window" during which a stamblade can attempt to bring his target into execute range. 6 seconds isn't a lot of time in PvP with a moving and blocking opponent, and the skill is dodgeable...so by increasing the ult cost I feel some of the Assassin mojo has been eliminated in my stamblade.

Also as others have noted, the reductions in crit damage in the Housing patch will further handicap the Nightblade's crit potential.

These aren't world-ending nerfs to the Nightblade...but they do hinder the Nightblade's ability to fulfill their assassin role in ESO.

ArchMikem wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes

Yeah? That's how it's meant to be, Assassins are skilled in quick and swift kills. Putting that in gameplay terms, Assassins are Gankers who rely on burst damage. Assassins are not meant to win drawn out fights.

It's like Teemo vs Darius, Teemo won't be able to take darius head to head but instead you use your agility / speed / tactics with shrooms instead

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

if our only assassin class has issues, how would another assassin class solve it? makes no sense....

because the nightblade class needs to be iether rebuilt OR simply make a correct and Proper assassin class like we had in morrowind.
that is why i am asking for it to launch with the morrowind release right inline with and along side of the morag tong assassin storyline.
nightblade simply cannot sustain that fight nor toe to toe fights with other classes due to its build was not intended to sustain like the other classes have.

not sustain in a fight???? your kidding right? Not go toe to toe? well to a degree, but that is because the lasses like dk and temp were meant to stand toe to toe. Nb uses deceptive measures, positioning, etc. That said, you can absolutely make a nb that goes toe to toe with others, but will not be the best at it.

Your issue really does not make sense. You say you want them to go toe to toe with others which implies you want face to face fighting, but at the same time want them to be an assassian which implies the shadows.

Never had a problem with another player if I can dictate the time when I strike. This is what the assassin is all about. Pick your moment and then strike from the shadows.

When in Cyrodiil I have often tracked enemy players for 30 minutes just so I could try and get the draw on them for a kill. Then fade away into the background before anyone notices.

You don't need sustain, you need high alpha strike damage and to out DPS them, that is your sustain.

Typhoios wrote: »

So you want a stealth class with incredible burst damage, but also with great sustained damage and resource control? I assume you also want great self healing and mitigation too? What exactly would be your classes weakness?

They should be limited to wearing only heavy armour .