please make another class

KingYogi415

I wonder if this is just a L2P issue...

Try stamplar pvp for some reference.

Cheers!

Astanphaeus

You want both really high burst damage, and sustain... right... No.

dem0n1k

Nightblades are fine... give Sorcs their 20s shields back plz !!!

Zanen

Stealth/burst archetype is notoriously difficult to balance, they always end up being too strong in a ganking role, too weak in sustained damage, or both.

Every MMO ever has been like this, stealth burst class either launches broken OP or useless as a PVE DD, several years go by with a lot of balance changes and eventually the class is balanced in PVE/PVP by neutering the stealth/burst that made it fun to play in the first place.

In ESO the situation is even worse because it's so difficult to contain the class, you can't make them super squishy with great damage because people will just run heavy/troll king and plug the gaps.

Majic

A proper assassin class would not be a proper battlefield class, because a proper assassin kills targets and escapes, ideally without needing to engage in a face-to-face fight at all.

Of course, what constitutes a "proper assassin" can vary from person to person, but "fighting toe to toe" and "sustain in both pvp and pve" are expressions I have never seen associated with assassins before, either historically or in the context of gaming, whether single-player or MMO.

In PvP there will always and forever be balance and gameplay issues, but in terms of design, I think the Nightblade is quite suitable as an assassin class.

When used properly, of course.

bowmanz607

What is this nonsense I keep seeing regarding nb lacking sustain. First, this game is a joke for sustain. Cp nonesense has seen to that and one of the reasons heavy is so preferable.

Nb sustain is great. You can choose to run higher recovery to maximize the passives and get better passive reaources gain. Or you can run SA to gain active resource gain. You can run both together for Max resource gain.

If your having a sustain issue with nb passives, SA, and cp then it is l2p.

Curtdogg47

NB's trade high damage for low sustaian. I wouldn't want it any other way. I love my big damage. I love trying to escape or take one more down before I die.

mvffins

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

1) nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin,
2)but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes both in PvP as well as PvE.
3)nightblade simply does not have the sustain in both pvp and pve.
4)the invisibility needs rebuilt

1) Oh one of their skill lines happens to be called....Assassin
2) Didn't know that the class that can set up ganks the best sucked in PvP, nor that the class that can clock to last boss sucks in PvE
3) A True Assassin only needs enough resource to kill 1 unsuspecting victim within seconds.....doesn't require sustain
4) Have you played other TES games? Nightblades have easiest and most reliable form of perma invisi out of the entire series.

ScooberSteve

DKs and NBs are the best duelist and pvp classes to be. I dont know what you've been smoken

Gilvoth

this is all about a true assassin class that was created in morrowind with the Morag Tong as it's base.
i refer to this thread linked here below as a reference ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3750839/#Comment_3750839

TheShadowScout

ArchMikem wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes

Yeah? That's how it's meant to be, Assassins are skilled in quick and swift kills. Putting that in gameplay terms, Assassins are Gankers who rely on burst damage. Assassins are not meant to win drawn out fights.

Sadly that's pretty much the truth.
Nightblades work just like that... can win a speedgank, but if the enemy survives the initial assault, we are usually scr... uhm... in trouble.

The stamina nightblade is the traditional assassin build. And like the traditional assassin, fails at a "fair fight" against any proper warrior - but can do pretty well at backstabbing said warrior before fairness gets an issue in the fight.

Sure I'd want an nightblade buff so my poor lil nightblade main can win both at ganking and at fair stand-up mer-a-mano fights... but that's not bloody likely, as it would mess up the balance... so I live with my drawbacks, and have learend to actually enjoy my main characters flaws... it -does- make for a lot more enjoyable gameplay if you can't just faceroll everything...

Bobby_V_Rockit

Stam Sorcssinbladeplar...

datgladiatah

This is very ignorant. It has no attachment to reality, game design, class design, and completely ignores the redundancy. The nightblade has plenty of tools and a "true assassin" isn't a life stealer, even if the sap tank and sap healer are perfectly valid builds that still fit into an assassin paradigm. If you're playing a stam night blade, you shouldn't expect to heal because you're doing the highest burst in game. Also, it's a pretty nice benefit that you can morph your stealth for minor protection and shadow abilities give you major resolve/ward. You shouldn't be getting counter attacked hard. You need to play better.

Lynx7386

By definition, an assassin trades sustainability for burst damage. Nightblades ARE the assassin class. Sorry, but that's what you're stuck with.

hmsdragonfly

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this is all about a true assassin class that was created in morrowind with the Morag Tong as it's base.
i refer to this thread linked here below as a reference ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3750839/#Comment_3750839

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes
both in PvP as well as PvE.
nightblade simply does not have the sustain in both pvp and pve.
the invisibility needs rebuilt
ect ect ect ...

please, make a proper assassin class for morrowind launch.
the morrowind release right inline with and along side of the morag tong assassin storyline.
we are constantly taken out of stealth and killed within a few seconds, as well as many other class skills simply fail.

Note:
everyone keeps mentioning Magicka skills here on this thread
that is not what i am refering to, refering to stamina nightblade class. no sap skills need be mentioned here.
i dont use that skill, niether do the stamina nightblades i am refering to.

I applaud you for not running 10 vipers 20 widowmakers 30 eternal *unts and 5 selenes, having a total of 300 procs.

You want your class to have the highest burst, constant stealth, greatest self-heal, and greatest sustain in a prolong fight? So, do you also want a click-to-win button that once you click it, you instantly win the game?

Kuroinu

You know what the absolute failure of the Dark Brotherhood DLC was? Not one skill that you could use to be more like an assassin! All passives and that dumb Blade of Woe "synergy". Absolute failure.

Gilvoth

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this is all about a true assassin class that was created in morrowind with the Morag Tong as it's base.
i refer to this thread linked here below as a reference ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3750839/#Comment_3750839

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes
both in PvP as well as PvE.
nightblade simply does not have the sustain in both pvp and pve.
the invisibility needs rebuilt
ect ect ect ...

please, make a proper assassin class for morrowind launch.
the morrowind release right inline with and along side of the morag tong assassin storyline.
we are constantly taken out of stealth and killed within a few seconds, as well as many other class skills simply fail.

Note:
everyone keeps mentioning Magicka skills here on this thread
that is not what i am refering to, refering to stamina nightblade class. no sap skills need be mentioned here.
i dont use that skill, niether do the stamina nightblades i am refering to.

I applaud you for not running 10 vipers 20 widowmakers 30 eternal *unts and 5 selenes, having a total of 300 procs.

You want your class to have the highest burst, constant stealth, greatest self-heal, and greatest sustain in a prolong fight? So, do you also want a click-to-win button that once you click it, you instantly win the game?

thank you, i have allways shuned and walked away from the exploits.

strikeback1247

Greevir wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes

Yeah? That's how it's meant to be, Assassins are skilled in quick and swift kills. Putting that in gameplay terms, Assassins are Gankers who rely on burst damage. Assassins are not meant to win drawn out fights.

And the PvP community wants them nerfed to be unable to gank. Which kind of destroys the whole idea of the class.

A real assassin would be very difficult to balance in PvP. I remember when I only had to activate camo hunter and heavy attack from cloak to hit for 30k in PvP. Literally an instant oneshot, no counters except for blocking 24/7 everywhere. Let's not do that again

Bouldercleave

Typhoios wrote: »

So you want a stealth class with incredible burst damage, but also with great sustained damage and resource control? I assume you also want great self healing and mitigation too? What exactly would be your classes weakness?

Well, YEAH!

I've played a Stamblade from day one and currently have 2 fully leveled. They are fine the way they are.

Danksta

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

NB's trade high damage for low sustaian. I wouldn't want it any other way. I love my big damage. I love trying to escape or take one more down before I die.

Except they have both high damage and high sustain.

AlMcFly

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes

So...you argue Nightblade is not an Assassin class because, in your opinion, it "cannot fight toe-to-toe with the other classes?"

That's your only criteria? Do you have a definition for "toe-to-toe", or are you purposely using vague slang? Do you honestly think an Assassin, standing face to face with a fully armored Dragon Knight, in a fair fight, in broad daylight, should be an even match? Have you fallen and hit your head on something?

Your entire argument hinges on a vague and debatable warrant, and disregards all other factors, agreed upon by hundreds of years of understanding of what the word Assassin means. In other words, being an Assassin by definition implies concealed mobility and opportunity to perform concealed murder (something a Nightblade clearly excels at depending on your build). Never in the history of the word Assassin has the definition included the ability to match skills evenly with all warriors in all circumstances. That is just something you made up in your mind.

Gilvoth

Typhoios wrote: »

So you want a stealth class with incredible burst damage, but also with great sustained damage and resource control? I assume you also want great self healing and mitigation too? What exactly would be your classes weakness?

you just described sorcerer, dragonight, and templar in that paragraph.
we nightblades or a new [assassin class] should be allowed to have that as well.
at current, we dont and "You other classes Do".

Nutshotz

@KaiVox22

There are plenty of stamblades out there that do insane damage and with rally/Vigor combined with a vitality pot have insane burst heals if the cp is aligned correctly. So I'm assuming it's either your gear or you have low CP.

Sausage

I believe there is that gear what increase your dmg if you hit from behind. I could be wrong but I believe they are trying to integrate "sub-classes" via gears. The problem with sub-classes is that theres literally thousands of them, so its not realistic to make something for all.

This is exactly the reason why we need Database, because people dont even know what kind of gears there is in this game.

Kodrac

For some reason people have the mindset that NBs are meant to be an assassin class but fail to see that they are very versatile and can play every role.

SHADOW2KK

My stamblades beg to differ OP hehe

bulbousb16_ESO

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

please, make a proper assassin class for morrowind launch.

I'm thinking that you have no idea what an assassin class really is.

Jim_Pipp

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this is all about a true assassin class that was created in morrowind with the Morag Tong as it's base.
i refer to this thread linked here below as a reference ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3750839/#Comment_3750839

I followed the link. This is a link to you in another thread making a similar argument except saying that elder scrolls assassins use magic... in this thread it feels like you are against magic.

mb10

So sad to see the direction of nightblades they're borderline useless now.

Other builds are simply better, I think magicka NB is still putting up some sort of fight but no burst heal

DHale

Nightblades have an easier time getting and managing resources than any class by a significant margin. 15 % all resources, transfer passive, catalyst passive, siphoning attacks, 20 percent stam regen, plus 8 percent damage by way of brutality from relentless focus morph.