SydneyGrey wrote: »

The whining tonight is driving me to drink.

*Sips tap water*

Close enough.

I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.

Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?

What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?

Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.

UrQuan wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Shhh, the adults are talking.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

My house in Big Bear listed at 1.2 Mil . My El Pollo Loco franchise one Big Bear sold for 630K . My new store in Ski rentals is insured at one mil and in our first winter happily reached 600k in retail . The three cottage rentals go for a combined one mil plus together but brought in a little over 340k revenue this season so far . Not counting season continues into May and does not account for all disposable assets in my possession . That is nice of you make more then me , I hope you do but the complaints were not about the price ...

You are so hung up on fourty dollars you missed everyone's post on principles in business .

Yes, I'm sure you're very rich. (I'm not, you're probably lying)

EDIT: But just to be sure, I sent an e-mail to that Pollo Loco. You can tell me all about it when you respond. Mmm'kay? Should I post pictures of the conversation that results here on the forums?

Yes by all means contact them . Ask about the ski shop .

Hi, excuse me? Do you have a drunken looking cat person Working there by any chance?

ROFL

The mental picture of a guy wearing at catsuit working at a ski shop

"J'zargo knows you will love these boots"

If a saleskhajiit with a name tag that says "M'aiq" starts telling you all about how great a product is, you should probably walk away without buying it.

But... will it get me closer to that achievement?

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@SunfireKnight86
The term Expansion is just another word for DLC (Downloadable content), no one would be complaining if they didn't made one of their in game to store money (Crowns) completely invalid when it came to buying the new content. That's the issue right there.

No, actually, it isn't. It only seems that way if you're butchering the English language to try and make a point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack

They have never been the same thing. I've been (EDIT:ONLINE) gaming since Buffy the Vampire Slayer was that new ***. Trust me. DLC has always been smaller. Much smaller. Some companies would have called Wrothgar an xpac back in the day.

*Cue the, "I've been gaming since ninteen dickety three!" rants.*

It's extremely common to use the term interchangeably in the gaming industry. Here is Gamespot calling Orsinium an expansion pack.

willlienellson wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

My house in Big Bear listed at 1.2 Mil . My El Pollo Loco franchise one Big Bear sold for 630K . My new store in Ski rentals is insured at one mil and in our first winter happily reached 600k in retail . The three cottage rentals go for a combined one mil plus together but brought in a little over 340k revenue this season so far .

Cool story bro. I just finished my 8 year term as President of the United States. Now that I'm done with that, I should have a lot more time to play ESO between my speeches where I'll earn about a half million an hour.

Okay, someone else's turn. This is fun.

Awesome . I can barrow $40 from you then . Thank you for your generosity .

This is what is so funny to me . People thinking fourty dollars is no big deal but having a couple mil in assets in 2017 is super rich . Like that's so incredible . Lol My friends have way more money then me . They will get a kick out of hearing this .

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Skimmed the other thread, and now I see this one. I can't ever remember seeing anyone be as outright lost as you "SuNfIREyKn1gHt298720808." Forty dollars isn't anything to anyone, any normal person could look through their house and just find $40 laying around.

People are angry because this is a shady business practice, and if you don't agree with that -- you're simply incorrect. It's not a matter of opinion, it's not even arguable. Is Morrowind something that I have to download? Yes. Therefore it should have been included in the ESO+ perk "Access to all future Downloadable content." There is no argument to be made against this, and if you try making one -- you're a complete moron.

And you're talking out of your ass. If you don't agree with that, you're simply talking out of your ass.

This is fun! Do another one.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@SunfireKnight86
The term Expansion is just another word for DLC (Downloadable content), no one would be complaining if they didn't made one of their in game to store money (Crowns) completely invalid when it came to buying the new content. That's the issue right there.

No, actually, it isn't. It only seems that way if you're butchering the English language to try and make a point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack

They have never been the same thing. I've been (EDIT:ONLINE) gaming since Buffy the Vampire Slayer was that new ***. Trust me. DLC has always been smaller. Much smaller. Some companies would have called Wrothgar an xpac back in the day.

*Cue the, "I've been gaming since ninteen dickety three!" rants.*

It's extremely common to use the term interchangeably in the gaming industry. Here is Gamespot calling Orsinium an expansion pack.

So people use the term wrong, and you think suddenly ZOS should give you tons of content for fifteen dollars. Got it. For a minute I thought you were just talking nonsense.

It's not $15. It's $180 a year.

And I'll ask you again, do you sub? How many crowns have you bought in this game?

The subs are the ones who supported this game over the years with their money. Yet all I see is non-subs complaining about subs being "entitled".

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

This is what is so funny to me . People thinking fourty dollars is no big deal but having a couple mil in assets in 2017 is super rich . Like that's so incredible . Lol My friends have way more money then me . They will get a kick out of hearing this .

You tell your friends at the country club your gaming stories?

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

The whining tonight is driving me to drink.

*Sips tap water*

Close enough.

I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.

Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?

What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?

Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.

Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.

ZOS themselves said that Morrowind will have 30 hours of content, just like they said Orsinium would have 20. These are facts shared by ZOS.

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Skimmed the other thread, and now I see this one. I can't ever remember seeing anyone be as outright lost as you "SuNfIREyKn1gHt298720808." Forty dollars isn't anything to anyone, any normal person could look through their house and just find $40 laying around.

People are angry because this is a shady business practice, and if you don't agree with that -- you're simply incorrect. It's not a matter of opinion, it's not even arguable. Is Morrowind something that I have to download? Yes. Therefore it should have been included in the ESO+ perk "Access to all future Downloadable content." There is no argument to be made against this, and if you try making one -- you're a complete moron.

And you're talking out of your ass. If you don't agree with that, you're simply talking out of your ass.

This is fun! Do another one.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@SunfireKnight86
The term Expansion is just another word for DLC (Downloadable content), no one would be complaining if they didn't made one of their in game to store money (Crowns) completely invalid when it came to buying the new content. That's the issue right there.

No, actually, it isn't. It only seems that way if you're butchering the English language to try and make a point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack

They have never been the same thing. I've been (EDIT:ONLINE) gaming since Buffy the Vampire Slayer was that new ***. Trust me. DLC has always been smaller. Much smaller. Some companies would have called Wrothgar an xpac back in the day.

*Cue the, "I've been gaming since ninteen dickety three!" rants.*

It's extremely common to use the term interchangeably in the gaming industry. Here is Gamespot calling Orsinium an expansion pack.

So people use the term wrong, and you think suddenly ZOS should give you tons of content for fifteen dollars. Got it. For a minute I thought you were just talking nonsense.

It's not $15. It's $180 a year.

And I'll ask you again, do you sub? How many crowns have you bought in this game?

The subs are the ones who supported this game over the years with their money. Yet all I see is non-subs complaining about subs being "entitled".

No, it's $15 a month. You can stop any time you want before you reach $180. But I bet that's ZOS fault too, huh?

You didn't answer my question again. You seem very passionate about calling people who spend $180 a year on the game cheap. Please share with us how much money you've spent on this game. I'll be waiting.

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

The whining tonight is driving me to drink.

*Sips tap water*

Close enough.

I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.

Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?

What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?

Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.

Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.

Wait... You're disputing his claim of "add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium" by saying that the stream today claimed 30 hours of content for Morrowind? I believe that's what's known as confirming his claim of "10 hours more content" not disputing it.

Orsinium Launch Details wrote:

The Orsinium DLC game pack, which boasts over 20 hours of story content and quests

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-video