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I need to understand something with the new expansion...
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xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*
Actually I had all the DLC's before subbing became an option, so for me I actually subbed for the bag and the crowns... so not "any of us"..
thats fair, I was being a bit too broad with that statement, I was just trying to get my point across. Albeit I apologise for generalising^^Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Expansions are DLC. ToS section 2C: Content also includes Content that is downloaded or downloadable from any website under ZeniMax's control ("Downloadable Content"), provided that the term Downloadable Content does not include Game Mods (as defined below).
As was stated in my first post in this thread (link), and further expanded with explicit quotes from the ToS in another thread (link), whether or not ZoS is calling this a DLC or Expansion in their advertising has nothing to do with whether or not it is available in ESO+. Further details are contained in the linked posts.
Please stop spreading misinformation that it isn't included because ZoS is calling it an "Expansion" or "New Chapter" rather than a "DLC" as it gets into hair-splitting semantic arguments that are completely tangential to the real reason it is not included in the sub.
Was that more towards me this time?
and regardless of whether or not it is, you do know that the moment they go public with any thing it automatically becomes official and how they phrase what they say is extremely important to what is considered false and legitimate advertising right?
You're splitting the hair mighty thing saying its misinformation when its actually just general and direct critisim. You could say I am too, but then on this topic, its rather grey right now seeing as they virtually changed their business practice overnight (Litterally by editing the ESO+ description to make it viable with their "new plan") without even a heads up or seeing how the community would react. Sure they are legally allowed to do it but so what?
I have never spread misinformation on this forum or any forum.Edited by xeNNNNN on February 1, 2017 12:20AMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.1 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And this is not going to be a "DLC game pack", this is being listed as an "Expansion".ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »You will still be able to talk with your friends if you have access to the Morrowind content, but they only have the base game. It essentially works similar to what currently happens in DLC game packs with new zones, such as Dark Brotherhood. You can still talk with them, and even group with them, but they won't be able to jump to you if you're in the new zone. Does that make sense?
soooo it is basically a DLC in bigger you don't want to call a dlc because eso+ members would argue that it should be free then? i think you could avoid a lot of confusion if you would just say that it works like a normal dlc you do not get for free or can purchase with crowns. I don't mind paying (again) for stuff like that but just call it by its name
no other high profile mmo releases expansions for free to subscribers. They release content patches for free but not expansions. So am not sure why anyone here would expect it to be free for subscribers?
because my eso+ says i have access to downloaded content included in it? i don't know any other mmo with this kind of deal. stop whiteknighting zenimax please.
ESO+ says i have Access to all of ESO’s downloadable content (or DLC) game packs (like literally)
I bet i can download Eso Morrowind and it obviously needs the base game (or as they word it includes it)
Not sure what is hard to understand there.
I don't mind paying for it just because it is obviously smth bigger than a normal dlc but people arguing that this is a bit strange can't be denied.
Different designation means different rules apply to Subscribers and non-subscribers.
At what point is something either a DLC, or an Expansion? Whenever the suits decide it is? All Downloadable content should be accessible with the SUB fee as advertised. I don't care if other games do this, I don't play those other games for that reason.
Are you sure that's what was "advertised?"
Right there on the ESO+ FAQ it says: "Access to all DLC game packs available in the Crown Store as long as membership is current"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq0 -
lehran✭✭✭Expansions are DLC. ToS section 2C: Content also includes Content that is downloaded or downloadable from any website under ZeniMax's control ("Downloadable Content"), provided that the term Downloadable Content does not include Game Mods (as defined below).
As was stated in my first post in this thread (link), and further expanded with explicit quotes from the ToS in another thread (link), whether or not ZoS is calling this a DLC or Expansion in their advertising has nothing to do with whether or not it is available in ESO+. Further details are contained in the linked posts.
Please stop spreading misinformation that it isn't included because ZoS is calling it an "Expansion" or "New Chapter" rather than a "DLC" as it gets into hair-splitting semantic arguments that are completely tangential to the real reason it is not included in the sub.
Was that more towards me this time?
and regardless of whether or not it is, you do know that the moment they go public with any thing it automatically becomes official and how they phrase what they say is extremely important to what is considered false and legitimate advertising right?
You're splitting the hair mighty thing saying its misinformation when its actually just general and direct critisim. You could say I am too, but then on this topic, its rather grey right now seeing as they virtually changed their business practice overnight without even a heads up or seeing how the community would react. Sure they are legally allowed to do it but so what?
It was more at @Xinthisis. I find what they did to be morally reprehensible, and moves like this (continually backtracking on what was previously promised) are what drove me away from supporting League of Legends. If ZoS keeps it up, there is a strong likelihood I will walk away from this game as well. My goal in posting these is so that people know what is actually going on (aka ZoS stealthily changed what benefits ESO+ offers in a way that was detrimental to subscribers), so that they can direct their criticism appropriately, rather than seeing the forums blow up about "Well it's technically an Expansion and not a DLC so..." semantic arguments that dance around the crux of the issue.0 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Expansions are DLC. ToS section 2C: Content also includes Content that is downloaded or downloadable from any website under ZeniMax's control ("Downloadable Content"), provided that the term Downloadable Content does not include Game Mods (as defined below).
As was stated in my first post in this thread (link), and further expanded with explicit quotes from the ToS in another thread (link), whether or not ZoS is calling this a DLC or Expansion in their advertising has nothing to do with whether or not it is available in ESO+. Further details are contained in the linked posts.
Please stop spreading misinformation that it isn't included because ZoS is calling it an "Expansion" or "New Chapter" rather than a "DLC" as it gets into hair-splitting semantic arguments that are completely tangential to the real reason it is not included in the sub.
Was that more towards me this time?
and regardless of whether or not it is, you do know that the moment they go public with any thing it automatically becomes official and how they phrase what they say is extremely important to what is considered false and legitimate advertising right?
You're splitting the hair mighty thing saying its misinformation when its actually just general and direct critisim. You could say I am too, but then on this topic, its rather grey right now seeing as they virtually changed their business practice overnight without even a heads up or seeing how the community would react. Sure they are legally allowed to do it but so what?
It was more at @Xinthisis. I find what they did to be morally reprehensible, and moves like this (continually backtracking on what was previously promised) are what drove me away from supporting League of Legends. If ZoS keeps it up, there is a strong likelihood I will walk away from this game as well. My goal in posting these is so that people know what is actually going on (aka ZoS stealthily changed what benefits ESO+ offers in a way that was detrimental to subscribers), so that they can direct their criticism appropriately, rather than seeing the forums blow up about "Well it's technically an Expansion and not a DLC so..." semantic arguments that dance around the crux of the issue.
Fair enough, fair warning though...people on forums can be ... less cordial than me.. so yeah dont be surprised if you suddenly get dubbed with the title "white knight" or whatever..seems to be a thing these days.
p.s you really should start quoting people first then post haha
Edited by xeNNNNN on February 1, 2017 12:25AMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*
@xeNNNNN
Speak for yourself. I'd gladly pay for ESO+ for just the crafting bag, the monthly crowns, and the bonus XP. It's nice that the DLC are included with the subscription but if they weren't, I'd have bought them all anyway.0 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*
@xeNNNNN
Speak for yourself.
I have already apologised for generalising in that post. Please read the whole thread dont nit pick.
Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
Xinthisis✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*
@xeNNNNN
Speak for yourself. I'd gladly pay for ESO+ for just the crafting bag, the monthly crowns, and the bonus XP. It's nice that the DLC are included with the subscription but if they weren't, I'd have bought them all anyway.
That's fine. However, that is not what was advertised. Access to all downloadable content. Unless the Expansion is going to be mailed to me as a disc that I have to run along side the client then ESO+ should cover it. It's false advertising and I don't have to file a lawsuit myself. That's what the FTC is for.2 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*
@xeNNNNN
Speak for yourself. I'd gladly pay for ESO+ for just the crafting bag, the monthly crowns, and the bonus XP. It's nice that the DLC are included with the subscription but if they weren't, I'd have bought them all anyway.
That's fine. However, that is not what was advertised. Access to all downloadable content. Unless the Expansion is going to be mailed to me as a disc that I have to run along side the client then ESO+ should cover it. It's false advertising and I don't have to file a lawsuit myself. That's what the FTC is for.
@Xinthisis
Guffaw. Yeah, OK. You let me know when you get that settlement check.
Meanwhile, back on planet earth:
"Access to all DLC game packs available in the Crown Store for the duration of membership"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq
Gotta read the fine print.Edited by LiquidPony on February 1, 2017 12:40AM0 -
sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*
@xeNNNNN
Speak for yourself. I'd gladly pay for ESO+ for just the crafting bag, the monthly crowns, and the bonus XP. It's nice that the DLC are included with the subscription but if they weren't, I'd have bought them all anyway.
That's fine. However, that is not what was advertised. Access to all downloadable content. Unless the Expansion is going to be mailed to me as a disc that I have to run along side the client then ESO+ should cover it. It's false advertising and I don't have to file a lawsuit myself. That's what the FTC is for.
@Xinthisis
Guffaw. Yeah, OK. You let me know when you get that settlement check.
Meanwhile, back on planet earth:
"Access to all DLC game packs available in the Crown Store for the duration of membership"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq
Gotta read the fine print.
You do understand that exactly that fragment was changed recently for that reason, so uhm... gullible people like you can post such insightful messages right?3 -
Xinthisis✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*
@xeNNNNN
Speak for yourself. I'd gladly pay for ESO+ for just the crafting bag, the monthly crowns, and the bonus XP. It's nice that the DLC are included with the subscription but if they weren't, I'd have bought them all anyway.
That's fine. However, that is not what was advertised. Access to all downloadable content. Unless the Expansion is going to be mailed to me as a disc that I have to run along side the client then ESO+ should cover it. It's false advertising and I don't have to file a lawsuit myself. That's what the FTC is for.
@Xinthisis
Guffaw. Yeah, OK. You let me know when you get that settlement check.
Meanwhile, back on planet earth:
"Access to all DLC game packs available in the Crown Store for the duration of membership"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq
Gotta read the fine print.
I don't have to file a lawsuit, in the U.S we have something called the FTC.
Are you a suit at zos pretending to be a consumer? ZOS advertised ESO Plus as giving access to all DLC packs. Changing that to give LESS than what was originally advertised is the problem. You can always add to, not take away. Also, is ZOS's own TOS it states that all content downloaded from a server owned by Zenimax is thereby considered DOWNLOADABLE content.0 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*
@xeNNNNN
Speak for yourself. I'd gladly pay for ESO+ for just the crafting bag, the monthly crowns, and the bonus XP. It's nice that the DLC are included with the subscription but if they weren't, I'd have bought them all anyway.
That's fine. However, that is not what was advertised. Access to all downloadable content. Unless the Expansion is going to be mailed to me as a disc that I have to run along side the client then ESO+ should cover it. It's false advertising and I don't have to file a lawsuit myself. That's what the FTC is for.
@Xinthisis
Guffaw. Yeah, OK. You let me know when you get that settlement check.
Meanwhile, back on planet earth:
"Access to all DLC game packs available in the Crown Store for the duration of membership"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq
Gotta read the fine print.
I don't have to file a lawsuit, in the U.S we have something called the FTC.
Are you a suit at zos pretending to be a consumer? ZOS advertised ESO Plus as giving access to all DLC packs. Changing that to give LESS than what was originally advertised is the problem. You can always add to, not take away. Also, is ZOS's own TOS it states that all content downloaded from a server owned by Zenimax is thereby considered DOWNLOADABLE content.
Like he said... go for it... and then let us know how it turns out...0 -
ginoboehm✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And this is not going to be a "DLC game pack", this is being listed as an "Expansion".ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »You will still be able to talk with your friends if you have access to the Morrowind content, but they only have the base game. It essentially works similar to what currently happens in DLC game packs with new zones, such as Dark Brotherhood. You can still talk with them, and even group with them, but they won't be able to jump to you if you're in the new zone. Does that make sense?
soooo it is basically a DLC in bigger you don't want to call a dlc because eso+ members would argue that it should be free then? i think you could avoid a lot of confusion if you would just say that it works like a normal dlc you do not get for free or can purchase with crowns. I don't mind paying (again) for stuff like that but just call it by its name
no other high profile mmo releases expansions for free to subscribers. They release content patches for free but not expansions. So am not sure why anyone here would expect it to be free for subscribers?
because my eso+ says i have access to downloaded content included in it? i don't know any other mmo with this kind of deal. stop whiteknighting zenimax please.
ESO+ says i have Access to all of ESO’s downloadable content (or DLC) game packs (like literally)
I bet i can download Eso Morrowind and it obviously needs the base game (or as they word it includes it)
Not sure what is hard to understand there.
I don't mind paying for it just because it is obviously smth bigger than a normal dlc but people arguing that this is a bit strange can't be denied.
Different designation means different rules apply to Subscribers and non-subscribers.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet
Calling it something else doesn't change what it is.
damn whenever i want to post anything can i just contact you to write it for me in better words?
It is indeed DLC according to the definition of Downloadable Content set forth in the Terms of Service, however ZoS defines the DLC benefit of ESO+ as "access to all DLC Game Packs available in the Crown Store." As Morrowind will not be available in the Crown Store, it therefore does not fall under that clause and ZoS therefore has no legal liability for not including it in the subscription. You are free to call said practice scummy, a cash grab, or whatever you want, but it does not change the fact that they are legally in the clear.
Edit: To note, the "available in the crown store" hedge was not always there, however part of the Terms of Service is that they can change Content and Services on you without notice; this is an example of such a change (ESO+ is defined as a Service by their ToS). By continuing to subscribe or play the game, you implicitly agree to the changes, so they are not bound by what they said X amount of time ago.
yes and if i would have bought 6month eso+ yesterday my terms would change suddenly and unilaterally.
Ofc nobody does want to sue Zenimax or even protest about it but those unilaterally changes on TOS are ofc not legal.
I have a nice article on that here:
https://medium.com/@jlkoepke/we-can-change-these-terms-at-anytime-the-detritus-of-terms-of-service-agreements-712409e2d0f1#.rg4q5sfh6
With a nice court case detailing a minor change to a tos and how companies should handle that stuff.
European law has even stronger consumer rights there.
Again I am not arguing that Zenimax should be sued because that is just silly about such a small thing but it is not fair to say people that expected their ESO+ to do what it said when they bought it are wrong in their feelings or stupid.
I don't mind paying but please stop downtalking people calling the tactic dubious because obviously it is.
Zenimax does not need you whiteknighting them.
People have a right to voice their displessure about an obviously strange change on a paid service.
I would have ESO+ for the added space alone so i don't really care about this whole dlc aargument and 40€ is not enough to get me annoyed but some people are for sure suscribed to eso+ mainly because it said you have access to all future playable content included in it.
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ginoboehm✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*
@xeNNNNN
Speak for yourself. I'd gladly pay for ESO+ for just the crafting bag, the monthly crowns, and the bonus XP. It's nice that the DLC are included with the subscription but if they weren't, I'd have bought them all anyway.
That's fine. However, that is not what was advertised. Access to all downloadable content. Unless the Expansion is going to be mailed to me as a disc that I have to run along side the client then ESO+ should cover it. It's false advertising and I don't have to file a lawsuit myself. That's what the FTC is for.
@Xinthisis
Guffaw. Yeah, OK. You let me know when you get that settlement check.
Meanwhile, back on planet earth:
"Access to all DLC game packs available in the Crown Store for the duration of membership"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq
Gotta read the fine print.
Yeah and how about you stop downtalking people.
This TOS change with recently and unilaterally without informing the customer which is not ok under us and european consumer law.
Nobody will sue them because that would be silly for such a small detail but it is not fair how you attack people for an legitim point they are raising. (even if the legal stuff is ofc not totally without discussion here)1 -
Zyrudin✭✭✭✭There are valid points from the subscribers who feel they should have access to this new content, included in their subscription. I do agree that it would be logical. I have some observations to make on the subject.
Note that I am just expressing below my view on this move and am in no way advocating for or against it, just observing.
For several reasons that I will not debate right now, ESO was not doing as well as expected for all that subscription model time until 1T. ESO had to change to 1T exactly to attract more players and had to change the game model appeal from more hardcore to more casual (Craglorn pre-1T and post-1T is the prime example of this change).
When Crown Crates were introduced, a lot of people were against it (some more passionately than others) and a lot of it revolved around the argument that ESO was going to become F2P based on aesthetics rather than content - which was a fair prediction based on the available information and I personally also dislike the implementation of Crown Crates. Shortly after, we started to see motifs at high prices in the Crown Store, which added fuel to that fire for sure.
So, it seemed evident that ZOS needed more income from the game, that much was obvious, and made ESO more casual-friendly since 1T and was therefore going to appeal to the so-called "whales" and compulsive buyers of "shiny things".
Now, I think that ESO+ was a brilliant move from ZOS as the craft bag + DLC is really worth it, in my opinion. Still, probably not as many people chose that route, for several reasons, and ZOS may have come to a crossroads: do they bring the game all the way down the F2P aesthetic lane and fulfill the doom prophecies or do they change their model to offer content value for cash?
In fact, I read quite a lot of opinions on those Crown Crate threads from people who clearly stated that they wouldn't mind paying for content and out of those, some even preferred going back to a subscription model. ZOS probably understood that this would be an alternative route.
I think they will now be trying to hold a sort of balance between one and the other. I believe there will be more "expansions" of this sort, reasonably priced, and we will also be seeing more value added to ESO+ in the future to try to attract more people to it and avoid the F2P change, while still developing and offering content, but they will still be putting up Crown Crates and high-priced motifs and mounts too for the "whales".
Will this balance work? I don't know.0