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I need to understand something with the new expansion...
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ginoboehm✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And this is not going to be a "DLC game pack", this is being listed as an "Expansion".ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »You will still be able to talk with your friends if you have access to the Morrowind content, but they only have the base game. It essentially works similar to what currently happens in DLC game packs with new zones, such as Dark Brotherhood. You can still talk with them, and even group with them, but they won't be able to jump to you if you're in the new zone. Does that make sense?
soooo it is basically a DLC in bigger you don't want to call a dlc because eso+ members would argue that it should be free then? i think you could avoid a lot of confusion if you would just say that it works like a normal dlc you do not get for free or can purchase with crowns. I don't mind paying (again) for stuff like that but just call it by its name
no other high profile mmo releases expansions for free to subscribers. They release content patches for free but not expansions. So am not sure why anyone here would expect it to be free for subscribers?
because my eso+ says i have access to downloaded content included in it? i don't know any other mmo with this kind of deal. stop whiteknighting zenimax please.
ESO+ says i have Access to all of ESO’s downloadable content (or DLC) game packs (like literally)
I bet i can download Eso Morrowind and it obviously needs the base game (or as they word it includes it)
Not sure what is hard to understand there.
I don't mind paying for it just because it is obviously smth bigger than a normal dlc but people arguing that this is a bit strange can't be denied.
Different designation means different rules apply to Subscribers and non-subscribers.
So are you really arguing that Morrowind is not a downloadable content?
So it is not downloadable and it is not content?
I am not sure why you are arguing with me while i just want to say the terms of ESO+ should be clarified.
I would argue that it would be much clearer if ESO+ would say that you while the membership lasts get access to all playable content purchasable by crowns for free.
I think the issue with it is that it was said in a way that indicated all future content or at least thats how it was pitched and thus regardless of how its changed its left its mark now and will never go away.
yeah i agree 100%.
It was clearly sold this way and is worded like this.
I would be angry if i would care.1 -
LMar✭✭✭✭✭
✭But even if you get just the upgrade you still have to pay even if you sub? What is the point of the sub now then? And if it is not a DLC, then it is not really 4 DLC per year is it? Also to get access to Battlegrounds you also need to pay extra too as it is Morrowind content."If a stick of fish is a fish stick, it will stick like other fish sticks stick"
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ginoboehm✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And this is not going to be a "DLC game pack", this is being listed as an "Expansion".ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »You will still be able to talk with your friends if you have access to the Morrowind content, but they only have the base game. It essentially works similar to what currently happens in DLC game packs with new zones, such as Dark Brotherhood. You can still talk with them, and even group with them, but they won't be able to jump to you if you're in the new zone. Does that make sense?
soooo it is basically a DLC in bigger you don't want to call a dlc because eso+ members would argue that it should be free then? i think you could avoid a lot of confusion if you would just say that it works like a normal dlc you do not get for free or can purchase with crowns. I don't mind paying (again) for stuff like that but just call it by its name
no other high profile mmo releases expansions for free to subscribers. They release content patches for free but not expansions. So am not sure why anyone here would expect it to be free for subscribers?
because my eso+ says i have access to downloaded content included in it? i don't know any other mmo with this kind of deal. stop whiteknighting zenimax please.
ESO+ says i have Access to all of ESO’s downloadable content (or DLC) game packs (like literally)
I bet i can download Eso Morrowind and it obviously needs the base game (or as they word it includes it)
Not sure what is hard to understand there.
I don't mind paying for it just because it is obviously smth bigger than a normal dlc but people arguing that this is a bit strange can't be denied.
Different designation means different rules apply to Subscribers and non-subscribers.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet
Calling it something else doesn't change what it is.
damn whenever i want to post anything can i just contact you to write it for me in better words?
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It essentially works similar to what currently happens in DLC game packs with new zones, such as Dark Brotherhood.
No, it works exactly the same way.
The only difference is because ESO's code is so chunky, rather than have people spend a week downloading a new patch before they can play, you've basically isolated the patch into a new file so that people can continue playing the game while they download it.
It's also a DLC delivery system that allows you to give your privileged guild owners and streamers access to the game files for download and installation before everybody else.
Gotcha.signing off2 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭But even if you get just the upgrade you still have to pay even if you sub? What is the point of the sub now then? And if it is not a DLC, then it is not really 4 DLC per year is it? Also to get access to Battlegrounds you also need to pay extra too as it is Morrowind content.
right now the only point to subbing as far as many of us can see is, small meager bonuses to exp across the board and a crafting bag.
Most of us subbed for the DLC's and for those of you who are going to say "but it uh an expoooontion" dont be idiots anything digital that can be downloaded and adds content to the game is a DLC an expansion just dictates that its roughly half the size of a full game and a addition to previous content or well thats what an expansion meant in the old days.
I.e RTS genre: Command and Conquer 3. It got an expansion called kanes wrath, it came with a new game mode yet it was still only half the size of command and conquer 3. THAT is a true expansion.
30 hours is not half the size of the base game of ESO.Edited by xeNNNNN on January 31, 2017 10:34PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
Cronopoly✭✭✭✭✭Satirically:
Presidents staff..."This Executive Order is not a Ban on ESO+ members from the protectorates of, The Imperial City, Hews Bane, Wrothgar, & Gold Coast"
Members of public...It looks, walks, talks like a Ban on ESO+ members...
Seriously:
Face it, they are surprisingly changing the terms in practice on their business model to what was promised. As Adults, we have to just just decide how we personally feel like dealing with it. There should be no angst really. It's a rated M adult game. We should act like it. If you don't feel betrayed ignore it, otherwise exercise whatever option you feel you have to do so you can look yourself in the mirror. No one else's opinion matters but your own.
Edited by Cronopoly on January 31, 2017 10:36PM1 -
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Incorrect.
Star wars the old republic (SWTOR) has free expansions for Subs.
I am aware that SWTOR has changed its sub features recently but its still a viable competitor and still relevant as a response.
Yeah but I played through the last SWTOR expac in under 8 hours.
Even Bioware would be too ashamed to charge expac prices for and 8 hour expac that consists of 6 hours of dialogue scenes and 2 hours of monorail combat.
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lehran✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And this is not going to be a "DLC game pack", this is being listed as an "Expansion".ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »You will still be able to talk with your friends if you have access to the Morrowind content, but they only have the base game. It essentially works similar to what currently happens in DLC game packs with new zones, such as Dark Brotherhood. You can still talk with them, and even group with them, but they won't be able to jump to you if you're in the new zone. Does that make sense?
soooo it is basically a DLC in bigger you don't want to call a dlc because eso+ members would argue that it should be free then? i think you could avoid a lot of confusion if you would just say that it works like a normal dlc you do not get for free or can purchase with crowns. I don't mind paying (again) for stuff like that but just call it by its name
no other high profile mmo releases expansions for free to subscribers. They release content patches for free but not expansions. So am not sure why anyone here would expect it to be free for subscribers?
because my eso+ says i have access to downloaded content included in it? i don't know any other mmo with this kind of deal. stop whiteknighting zenimax please.
ESO+ says i have Access to all of ESO’s downloadable content (or DLC) game packs (like literally)
I bet i can download Eso Morrowind and it obviously needs the base game (or as they word it includes it)
Not sure what is hard to understand there.
I don't mind paying for it just because it is obviously smth bigger than a normal dlc but people arguing that this is a bit strange can't be denied.
Different designation means different rules apply to Subscribers and non-subscribers.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet
Calling it something else doesn't change what it is.
damn whenever i want to post anything can i just contact you to write it for me in better words?
It is indeed DLC according to the definition of Downloadable Content set forth in the Terms of Service, however ZoS defines the DLC benefit of ESO+ as "access to all DLC Game Packs available in the Crown Store." As Morrowind will not be available in the Crown Store, it therefore does not fall under that clause and ZoS therefore has no legal liability for not including it in the subscription. You are free to call said practice scummy, a cash grab, or whatever you want, but it does not change the fact that they are legally in the clear.
Edit: To note, the "available in the crown store" hedge was not always there, however part of the Terms of Service is that they can change Content and Services on you without notice; this is an example of such a change (ESO+ is defined as a Service by their ToS). By continuing to subscribe or play the game, you implicitly agree to the changes, so they are not bound by what they said X amount of time ago.Edited by lehran on January 31, 2017 10:52PM1 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »
Incorrect.
Star wars the old republic (SWTOR) has free expansions for Subs.
I am aware that SWTOR has changed its sub features recently but its still a viable competitor and still relevant as a response.
Yeah but I played through the last SWTOR expac in under 8 hours.
Even Bioware would be too ashamed to charge expac prices for and 8 hour expac that consists of 6 hours of dialogue scenes and 2 hours of monorail combat.
All The Best
Yes but there is also all the side content and the pvp stuff and the other pve content not just the story and if you know what you're doing you can speed through content sure.
But you still have to consider the effort put into making said content and the scope and size of it which is why they ARE expansions as well as quality.
I've played all the content of the recent expansions and frankly at the moment that definitely outstrips what ZoS has on offer, I just prefer the lore of ES and the people here as well as having and met (now) long standing friends here. Which is why I am here.Edited by xeNNNNN on January 31, 2017 10:57PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Satirically:
Presidents staff..."This Executive Order is not a Ban on ESO+ members from the protectorates of, The Imperial City, Hews Bane, Wrothgar, & Gold Coast"
Members of public...It looks, walks, talks like a Ban on ESO+ members...
Seriously:
Face it, they are surprisingly changing the terms in practice on their business model to what was promised. As Adults, we have to just just decide how we personally feel like dealing with it. There should be no angst really. It's a rated M adult game. We should act like it. If you don't feel betrayed ignore it, otherwise exercise whatever option you feel you have to do so you can look yourself in the mirror. No one else's opinion matters but your own.
That's a fair assessment, but while adults should act their age we have the right to protest and voice our opinion on the matter, they have changed or are in the process of changing their business model, but that does not out strip what was promised to the player base and for those of us who have been subbing since beta (Ive only ever unsubbed when house bills need a bit extra) it does indeed feel like a betrayal especially when your hard earned money has been spent with the promise of all future content, regardless of how its interpreted thats how it was and until today would still be pitched.
I am glad you're encouraging civility though, game communities need more of this.Edited by xeNNNNN on January 31, 2017 11:04PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.1 -
lehran✭✭✭I kept my above post to highlighting only facts about what ESO+ currently does/doesn't include, it does not reflect my personal opinion on its value or ZoS's move in excluding Morrowind from the sub. In my opinion, ZoS could have fostered a ton of goodwill by including Morrowind with the sub (including things that come with it, such as the Warden class), and still offered the products they are offering to sell it new. A number of people would sub to play the new zone, and if they keep the sub for at least 3 months, ZoS has made more on that than they would by selling it individually. A number of subs would also buy Morrowind individually for the preorder bonus or collectors edition items, further increasing revenue. It is therefore my opinion that ZoS messed up by not giving Morrowind away as part of the sub, but also maintained the additional purchase options. It seems like it would be giving them the best of both worlds, both in terms of revenue as well as community goodwill.1
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xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭I kept my above post to highlighting only facts about what ESO+ currently does/doesn't include, it does not reflect my personal opinion on its value or ZoS's move in excluding Morrowind from the sub. In my opinion, ZoS could have fostered a ton of goodwill by including Morrowind with the sub (including things that come with it, such as the Warden class), and still offered the products they are offering to sell it new. A number of people would sub to play the new zone, and if they keep the sub for at least 3 months, ZoS has made more on that than they would by selling it individually. A number of subs would also buy Morrowind individually for the preorder bonus or collectors edition items, further increasing revenue. It is therefore my opinion that ZoS messed up by not giving Morrowind away as part of the sub, but also maintained the additional purchase options. It seems like it would be giving them the best of both worlds, both in terms of revenue as well as community goodwill.
Just so you know I did read that previous post I just had nothing to add too it. Mostly because im still grinding my teeth out of frustration.
Thank you for reflecting the majorities view right now though because honestly, Ive already posed this situation to many people who do not play the game or games for that matter and are not at all invested in anything to do with elder scrolls and they've come to the same conclusion as you as well as many others.
They all responded with the same thing, cash grab. While they admitted that if the content they're adding is sufficient enough to warrant an addition fee and be excluded from premium options they did say as you have that its basically a big knife in the back to the community or rather to put it less aggressively a "bad decision".
One response I got (from my own farther believe it or not) was - "it sounds like they promised to take you to the theme park if you pay but then said no I cannot be bothered anymore even after you payed for the ticket".
Many also agreed as you pointed out with the "goodwill" point, is that community good will or consumer base good will can encourage rapid growth in revenue and steady revenue in this case subscriptions allowing for the company or companies to make far more in profits than they initially planned.
Sure the sure burst of income is good from large purchases in the short term but in the long term the continuous revenue will always rule as its a steady flow of income necessary to keeping a continuing project a float. Always look for the long term never pray for the short term.Edited by xeNNNNN on January 31, 2017 11:31PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.1 -
lehran✭✭✭I kept my above post to highlighting only facts about what ESO+ currently does/doesn't include, it does not reflect my personal opinion on its value or ZoS's move in excluding Morrowind from the sub. In my opinion, ZoS could have fostered a ton of goodwill by including Morrowind with the sub (including things that come with it, such as the Warden class), and still offered the products they are offering to sell it new. A number of people would sub to play the new zone, and if they keep the sub for at least 3 months, ZoS has made more on that than they would by selling it individually. A number of subs would also buy Morrowind individually for the preorder bonus or collectors edition items, further increasing revenue. It is therefore my opinion that ZoS messed up by not giving Morrowind away as part of the sub, but also maintained the additional purchase options. It seems like it would be giving them the best of both worlds, both in terms of revenue as well as community goodwill.
Just so you know I did read that previous post I just had nothing to add too it. Mostly because im still grinding my teeth out of frustration.
Thank you for reflecting the majorities view right now though because honestly, Ive already posed this situation to many people who do not play the game or games for that matter and are not at all invested in anything to do with elder scrolls and they've come to the same conclusion as you as well as many others.
They all responded with the same thing, cash grab. While they admitted that if the content they're adding is sufficient enough to warrant an addition fee and be excluded from premium options they did say as you have that its basically a big knife in the back to the community or rather to put it less aggressively a "bad decision".
One response I got (from my own farther believe it or not) was - "it sounds like they promised to take you to the theme park if you pay but then said no I cannot be bothered anymore even after you payed for the ticket".
Many also agreed as you pointed out with the "goodwill" point, is that community good will or consumer base good will can encourage rapid growth in revenue and steady revenue in this case subscriptions allowing for the company or companies to make far more in profits than they initially planned.
Sure the sure burst of income is good from large purchases in the short term but in the long term the continuous revenue will always rule as its a steady flow of income necessary to keeping a continuing project a float. Always look for the long term never pray for the short term.
Sure, my follow-up post wasn't aimed at you, but was just an in general statement for people who read my first post and jumped to the wrong conclusion on where I sat on the issue. Sorry for any confusion
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xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭I kept my above post to highlighting only facts about what ESO+ currently does/doesn't include, it does not reflect my personal opinion on its value or ZoS's move in excluding Morrowind from the sub. In my opinion, ZoS could have fostered a ton of goodwill by including Morrowind with the sub (including things that come with it, such as the Warden class), and still offered the products they are offering to sell it new. A number of people would sub to play the new zone, and if they keep the sub for at least 3 months, ZoS has made more on that than they would by selling it individually. A number of subs would also buy Morrowind individually for the preorder bonus or collectors edition items, further increasing revenue. It is therefore my opinion that ZoS messed up by not giving Morrowind away as part of the sub, but also maintained the additional purchase options. It seems like it would be giving them the best of both worlds, both in terms of revenue as well as community goodwill.
Just so you know I did read that previous post I just had nothing to add too it. Mostly because im still grinding my teeth out of frustration.
Thank you for reflecting the majorities view right now though because honestly, Ive already posed this situation to many people who do not play the game or games for that matter and are not at all invested in anything to do with elder scrolls and they've come to the same conclusion as you as well as many others.
They all responded with the same thing, cash grab. While they admitted that if the content they're adding is sufficient enough to warrant an addition fee and be excluded from premium options they did say as you have that its basically a big knife in the back to the community or rather to put it less aggressively a "bad decision".
One response I got (from my own farther believe it or not) was - "it sounds like they promised to take you to the theme park if you pay but then said no I cannot be bothered anymore even after you payed for the ticket".
Many also agreed as you pointed out with the "goodwill" point, is that community good will or consumer base good will can encourage rapid growth in revenue and steady revenue in this case subscriptions allowing for the company or companies to make far more in profits than they initially planned.
Sure the sure burst of income is good from large purchases in the short term but in the long term the continuous revenue will always rule as its a steady flow of income necessary to keeping a continuing project a float. Always look for the long term never pray for the short term.
Sure, my follow-up post wasn't aimed at you, but was just an in general statement for people who read my first post and jumped to the wrong conclusion on where I sat on the issue. Sorry for any confusion
haha no worries, i wasnt really grinding my teeth because of what you said but more of the situation it is a frustrating one.
Thanks for both common sense posts though, I do love it when threads actually remain civil :P
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✭✭✭✭✭If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.1 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
Nyx2✭✭✭✭Why would they make a separation after they went through great lengths to get rid off most barriers? You know, One Tamriel.0 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.4 -
Elrond87✭✭✭ya what did it mean by characters being copied/transferd i heard thatPC|EU
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Xinthisis✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And this is not going to be a "DLC game pack", this is being listed as an "Expansion".ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »You will still be able to talk with your friends if you have access to the Morrowind content, but they only have the base game. It essentially works similar to what currently happens in DLC game packs with new zones, such as Dark Brotherhood. You can still talk with them, and even group with them, but they won't be able to jump to you if you're in the new zone. Does that make sense?
soooo it is basically a DLC in bigger you don't want to call a dlc because eso+ members would argue that it should be free then? i think you could avoid a lot of confusion if you would just say that it works like a normal dlc you do not get for free or can purchase with crowns. I don't mind paying (again) for stuff like that but just call it by its name
no other high profile mmo releases expansions for free to subscribers. They release content patches for free but not expansions. So am not sure why anyone here would expect it to be free for subscribers?
because my eso+ says i have access to downloaded content included in it? i don't know any other mmo with this kind of deal. stop whiteknighting zenimax please.
ESO+ says i have Access to all of ESO’s downloadable content (or DLC) game packs (like literally)
I bet i can download Eso Morrowind and it obviously needs the base game (or as they word it includes it)
Not sure what is hard to understand there.
I don't mind paying for it just because it is obviously smth bigger than a normal dlc but people arguing that this is a bit strange can't be denied.
Different designation means different rules apply to Subscribers and non-subscribers.
At what point is something either a DLC, or an Expansion? Whenever the suits decide it is? All Downloadable content should be accessible with the SUB fee as advertised. I don't care if other games do this, I don't play those other games for that reason.2 -
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What about the PTS? Will we still be able to test this expansion or would it be almost treated like a new game and have a open/closed betas etc.?0 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why would they make a separation after they went through great lengths to get rid off most barriers? You know, One Tamriel.
While the original topic itself has been answered by gina thankfully, the thread has separated into more a discussion about the whole situation of the "expansion" and such.
But ill still answer what you said, just wanted to clarify that first; the stream wasn't at all clear with how it was presented to us a lot of us became confused, are we buying a brand new game? will we still be able to play with our friends? are they putting it on a separate server ?
Miscommunication causes this, which is why i started the thread to clear this up. Thankfully it has been
The thread is still on going though due to the discussion expanding so feel free to add your two cents or whatever
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✭✭✭✭✭"transfer characters to morrowind"
Just like in Orsinium DLC - you were "transfered" to the new zone via quest and then you unlocked the wayshrine.1 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*Edited by xeNNNNN on January 31, 2017 11:51PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.1 -
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✭Honestly, I think other people were/still are just as confused as I am/was due to the way it was said and presented on twitch.
Honestly, I can only see it being confusing if you've never experienced Expansions in any other MMO, ever, from the beginning of time (you know, because they are pretty universally standard in how they interact with the base game). I'm partially being sarcastic because I don't think people should have been so confused.1 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Honestly, I think other people were/still are just as confused as I am/was due to the way it was said and presented on twitch.
Honestly, I can only see it being confusing if you've never experienced Expansions in any other MMO, ever, from the beginning of time (you know, because they are pretty universally standard in how they interact with the base game). I'm partially being sarcastic because I don't think people should have been so confused.
yeah I noticed that (the semi-sarcastic tone), you know though, saying one thing might make sense to one person but saying it to another may not? its all about clarity, sure you understood it but not everyone did. Ive played expansions in different MMO's but they had different business models and well...ZoS isnt exactly reliable with info all the time so yeah.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
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✭If I were as upset as you are OP, I would cancel my sub for the next 4 months to make up for the $50 cost of the expansion.
Already cancelled about 2 hours ago lol.
but you know I play because I love the ES series no matter online or singleplayer, problem is the people I play with wont be buying it as it stands now so not really much point for me to purchase it at the moment, if something changes then sure...but you know..
Nice. I like it when people put their money where there mouth is. Speaking with your wallet is the best way to show your dissatisfaction.
exactly, part of me hates saying this but I hope others follow suit.
Not because I want ZoS to lose money or to kill the game out of spite or whatever but to show them consumer loyalty is important and so are the people who sub, okay sure to the people who dont sub we seemed spoiled but many of us who have subbed, have subbed since release (before B2P), so for many of us its...yeah. We're all kinda disgusted with ZoS right now.
The only reason any of us kept subbing after B2P was due to the DLC's. The crafting bag was a nice addition but in the beginning it was DLC and regardless of who interprets what, it was always about paying monthly to have access to all future content. We all payed FOR THAT, now ... whats the point? A bottomless bag? *sigh*
Actually I had all the DLC's before subbing became an option, so for me I actually subbed for the bag and the crowns... so not "any of us"..0 -
lehran✭✭✭Expansions are DLC. ToS section 2C: Content also includes Content that is downloaded or downloadable from any website under ZeniMax's control ("Downloadable Content"), provided that the term Downloadable Content does not include Game Mods (as defined below).
As was stated in my first post in this thread (link), and further expanded with explicit quotes from the ToS in another thread (link), whether or not ZoS is calling this a DLC or Expansion in their advertising has nothing to do with whether or not it is available in ESO+. Further details are contained in the linked posts.
Please stop spreading misinformation that it isn't included because ZoS is calling it an "Expansion" or "New Chapter" rather than a "DLC" as it gets into hair-splitting semantic arguments that are completely tangential to the real reason it is not included in the sub.Edited by lehran on February 1, 2017 12:03AM1
