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VMoL Has Ruined PS4's PvE Scene
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templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Fallewarrior wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »People still PvE in ESO?
People still pvp in this laggy mess that is cyrodill?
No, we duel
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Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭LOL these people sound like complete noobs. Judging people on skin that it can also be given. If there is one thing i've learned in any game is to not judge players based on looks and stats. You could have the best stats in the world but it doesn't mean you are good competitively.Edited by Kalante on January 31, 2017 6:05PM2 -
raidentenshu_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VMoL has turned people into elitists and turned people into liars. Or rather brought those things to the surface, if they've already existed.
You have people comparing DPS scores constantly if you want a chance at getting in a group, and people getting hounded about what gear they're wearing, and who they know. You basically get interviewed at a chance of doing VMoL. And even then the so-called progression teams are a sham. Or so I've experienced from 4 different guilds. It's to the point now some guilds literally break people up as: "Skinned" and "Non-Skinned". The "Non-Skinned" people get treated like ****, and get placed on these strictly timed "progression teams" that really just waste time. And wipe constantly until the time is up for the progression team's "slot", and then at the end give a half-assed speech about how the progress was good. Only for moments later after the run to talk about how the "Skinned" make things so much easier, and how they actually try during those. WTF? And to make matters worse, it's not even like these folks are even applying strategies and methods that they came up with themselves. No. They got it from watching YouTube videos, and communicating with folks who play on PC. Get information from there, and replicate it until it's damn near the same. It's ridiculous.
Oh, and you best believe I'm not leaving out the corrupt side of things. Remember that exploit of Maw? Well there's tons of people with the skin, and don't even know the mechanics. But get treated like royalty whereever they go because of it. I met a CP277 earlier in Grahtwood. Asked how they got the skin, and was told that they, "Got it while the getting was good." Huh? Seriously? And they get treated better than other folks because they exploited for it? Not to mention the carrying nonsense occurring. The so-called "Number 1" end-game PvE guild calling themselves a "Council" on PS4 are selling "Carry Runs" for 2M to anyone wanting the skin. And supposedly the person being carried gets to keep all 12 gold pieces awarded at the end. The hell?
That's where we are as an end-game PvE community right now on console, and it's horrible. It's get shuffled around and bs'd to constantly, unless you know someone who'll "make time for you" to get tested relentlessly. Get thrown in half-added progression teams. Get treated like ****, spoken down to, lied to, and forgotten about for the most part. And hope you just can click-up with the "pros" to let you into a dedicated Maw group.
Why am I even talking about this, being as how I do often speak of preferring solo play and being on my own? Because I witnessed the crap first-hand for myself not too long ago, and am disgusted. And plus I've had experience of what is occurring myself. Even as a guy who solo's vet dungeons on hard mode, has flawless, has beaten all vet trials on hard mode — I'm labeled as "progression" and "subpar" due to not having a damn Maw skin. And because of the bs, I probably won't ever get it. Damn the fact I know mechanics of the place inside and out. Damn the fact I put up with DPS tests in the past from this and that guild, when I hate the stupid tests to begin with. Damn the fact I can do what most can't, and have video footage of me doing so. Damn all that. That means nothing, all because my skin isn't black with shiny blue inserts. I've been lied to by guild after guild, and people who I thought were friends. All because of something Maw related usually being behind it. I'm so sick and tired of the ****, you won't believe it.
And it's not just Maw that this crap started. No. The elitism and segregation REALLY kicked off with the Stormproof emergence. If you weren't Stormproof, you didn't mean squat. And we're ignored and treated like filth. Now it's Maw. And because of the events that happened previously, it's 10x worse than back then. Except when back then (and to this day somewhat people account shared for Stormproof clears. And paid others to get leaderboard runs. This still occurs, but not as much as it used to.
Bro this kind of cancer is also being overrun in the PC community, and not just for consoles.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert has created an extreme toxic community giving these elite players power over the rest of us. We are just a scab that needs to be picked off from a wound, that's all.
Only selective players can do vMOL, and that's it.2 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »VMoL has turned people into elitists and turned people into liars. Or rather brought those things to the surface, if they've already existed.
You have people comparing DPS scores constantly if you want a chance at getting in a group, and people getting hounded about what gear they're wearing, and who they know. You basically get interviewed at a chance of doing VMoL. And even then the so-called progression teams are a sham. Or so I've experienced from 4 different guilds. It's to the point now some guilds literally break people up as: "Skinned" and "Non-Skinned". The "Non-Skinned" people get treated like ****, and get placed on these strictly timed "progression teams" that really just waste time. And wipe constantly until the time is up for the progression team's "slot", and then at the end give a half-assed speech about how the progress was good. Only for moments later after the run to talk about how the "Skinned" make things so much easier, and how they actually try during those. WTF? And to make matters worse, it's not even like these folks are even applying strategies and methods that they came up with themselves. No. They got it from watching YouTube videos, and communicating with folks who play on PC. Get information from there, and replicate it until it's damn near the same. It's ridiculous.
Oh, and you best believe I'm not leaving out the corrupt side of things. Remember that exploit of Maw? Well there's tons of people with the skin, and don't even know the mechanics. But get treated like royalty whereever they go because of it. I met a CP277 earlier in Grahtwood. Asked how they got the skin, and was told that they, "Got it while the getting was good." Huh? Seriously? And they get treated better than other folks because they exploited for it? Not to mention the carrying nonsense occurring. The so-called "Number 1" end-game PvE guild calling themselves a "Council" on PS4 are selling "Carry Runs" for 2M to anyone wanting the skin. And supposedly the person being carried gets to keep all 12 gold pieces awarded at the end. The hell?
That's where we are as an end-game PvE community right now on console, and it's horrible. It's get shuffled around and bs'd to constantly, unless you know someone who'll "make time for you" to get tested relentlessly. Get thrown in half-added progression teams. Get treated like ****, spoken down to, lied to, and forgotten about for the most part. And hope you just can click-up with the "pros" to let you into a dedicated Maw group.
Why am I even talking about this, being as how I do often speak of preferring solo play and being on my own? Because I witnessed the crap first-hand for myself not too long ago, and am disgusted. And plus I've had experience of what is occurring myself. Even as a guy who solo's vet dungeons on hard mode, has flawless, has beaten all vet trials on hard mode — I'm labeled as "progression" and "subpar" due to not having a damn Maw skin. And because of the bs, I probably won't ever get it. Damn the fact I know mechanics of the place inside and out. Damn the fact I put up with DPS tests in the past from this and that guild, when I hate the stupid tests to begin with. Damn the fact I can do what most can't, and have video footage of me doing so. Damn all that. That means nothing, all because my skin isn't black with shiny blue inserts. I've been lied to by guild after guild, and people who I thought were friends. All because of something Maw related usually being behind it. I'm so sick and tired of the ****, you won't believe it.
And it's not just Maw that this crap started. No. The elitism and segregation REALLY kicked off with the Stormproof emergence. If you weren't Stormproof, you didn't mean squat. And we're ignored and treated like filth. Now it's Maw. And because of the events that happened previously, it's 10x worse than back then. Except when back then (and to this day somewhat people account shared for Stormproof clears. And paid others to get leaderboard runs. This still occurs, but not as much as it used to.
Bro this kind of cancer is also being overrun in the PC community, and not just for consoles.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert has created an extreme toxic community giving these elite players power over the rest of us. We are just a scab that needs to be picked off from a wound, that's all.
Only selective players can do vMOL, and that's it.
Yes they have. Seriously, reverse the resistance and health change, this goes down tremendously.2 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Fallewarrior wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »People still PvE in ESO?
People still pvp in this laggy mess that is cyrodill?
Nah, I only duel OR I stand next to the VMOL entrance giving false hope to PUG/Elite groups telling them they won't ever blue screen in the middle of their raid =D.0 -
raidentenshu_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »VMoL has turned people into elitists and turned people into liars. Or rather brought those things to the surface, if they've already existed.
You have people comparing DPS scores constantly if you want a chance at getting in a group, and people getting hounded about what gear they're wearing, and who they know. You basically get interviewed at a chance of doing VMoL. And even then the so-called progression teams are a sham. Or so I've experienced from 4 different guilds. It's to the point now some guilds literally break people up as: "Skinned" and "Non-Skinned". The "Non-Skinned" people get treated like ****, and get placed on these strictly timed "progression teams" that really just waste time. And wipe constantly until the time is up for the progression team's "slot", and then at the end give a half-assed speech about how the progress was good. Only for moments later after the run to talk about how the "Skinned" make things so much easier, and how they actually try during those. WTF? And to make matters worse, it's not even like these folks are even applying strategies and methods that they came up with themselves. No. They got it from watching YouTube videos, and communicating with folks who play on PC. Get information from there, and replicate it until it's damn near the same. It's ridiculous.
Oh, and you best believe I'm not leaving out the corrupt side of things. Remember that exploit of Maw? Well there's tons of people with the skin, and don't even know the mechanics. But get treated like royalty whereever they go because of it. I met a CP277 earlier in Grahtwood. Asked how they got the skin, and was told that they, "Got it while the getting was good." Huh? Seriously? And they get treated better than other folks because they exploited for it? Not to mention the carrying nonsense occurring. The so-called "Number 1" end-game PvE guild calling themselves a "Council" on PS4 are selling "Carry Runs" for 2M to anyone wanting the skin. And supposedly the person being carried gets to keep all 12 gold pieces awarded at the end. The hell?
That's where we are as an end-game PvE community right now on console, and it's horrible. It's get shuffled around and bs'd to constantly, unless you know someone who'll "make time for you" to get tested relentlessly. Get thrown in half-added progression teams. Get treated like ****, spoken down to, lied to, and forgotten about for the most part. And hope you just can click-up with the "pros" to let you into a dedicated Maw group.
Why am I even talking about this, being as how I do often speak of preferring solo play and being on my own? Because I witnessed the crap first-hand for myself not too long ago, and am disgusted. And plus I've had experience of what is occurring myself. Even as a guy who solo's vet dungeons on hard mode, has flawless, has beaten all vet trials on hard mode — I'm labeled as "progression" and "subpar" due to not having a damn Maw skin. And because of the bs, I probably won't ever get it. Damn the fact I know mechanics of the place inside and out. Damn the fact I put up with DPS tests in the past from this and that guild, when I hate the stupid tests to begin with. Damn the fact I can do what most can't, and have video footage of me doing so. Damn all that. That means nothing, all because my skin isn't black with shiny blue inserts. I've been lied to by guild after guild, and people who I thought were friends. All because of something Maw related usually being behind it. I'm so sick and tired of the ****, you won't believe it.
And it's not just Maw that this crap started. No. The elitism and segregation REALLY kicked off with the Stormproof emergence. If you weren't Stormproof, you didn't mean squat. And we're ignored and treated like filth. Now it's Maw. And because of the events that happened previously, it's 10x worse than back then. Except when back then (and to this day somewhat people account shared for Stormproof clears. And paid others to get leaderboard runs. This still occurs, but not as much as it used to.
Bro this kind of cancer is also being overrun in the PC community, and not just for consoles.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert has created an extreme toxic community giving these elite players power over the rest of us. We are just a scab that needs to be picked off from a wound, that's all.
Only selective players can do vMOL, and that's it.
Yes they have. Seriously, reverse the resistance and health change, this goes down tremendously.
Is it any wonder why people are quitting the game and returning to play Skyrim again? The evidence is here http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ (I would love to see ZOS version of player status - will they ever release such database??) Skyrim is beating ESO severely on the amount of players playing the game each day. ESO can't even reach teen status... even Skyrim Special Edition is beating ESO.
Players like me are getting fed up with the concept of other players (The elitists) dictating what we can and cannot play in a game that we paid for with our hard earn money. The fact that only elite players and their friends can play vMOL while the rest of us cannot play due to our peasant status is ridiculous.1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »VMoL has turned people into elitists and turned people into liars. Or rather brought those things to the surface, if they've already existed.
You have people comparing DPS scores constantly if you want a chance at getting in a group, and people getting hounded about what gear they're wearing, and who they know. You basically get interviewed at a chance of doing VMoL. And even then the so-called progression teams are a sham. Or so I've experienced from 4 different guilds. It's to the point now some guilds literally break people up as: "Skinned" and "Non-Skinned". The "Non-Skinned" people get treated like ****, and get placed on these strictly timed "progression teams" that really just waste time. And wipe constantly until the time is up for the progression team's "slot", and then at the end give a half-assed speech about how the progress was good. Only for moments later after the run to talk about how the "Skinned" make things so much easier, and how they actually try during those. WTF? And to make matters worse, it's not even like these folks are even applying strategies and methods that they came up with themselves. No. They got it from watching YouTube videos, and communicating with folks who play on PC. Get information from there, and replicate it until it's damn near the same. It's ridiculous.
Oh, and you best believe I'm not leaving out the corrupt side of things. Remember that exploit of Maw? Well there's tons of people with the skin, and don't even know the mechanics. But get treated like royalty whereever they go because of it. I met a CP277 earlier in Grahtwood. Asked how they got the skin, and was told that they, "Got it while the getting was good." Huh? Seriously? And they get treated better than other folks because they exploited for it? Not to mention the carrying nonsense occurring. The so-called "Number 1" end-game PvE guild calling themselves a "Council" on PS4 are selling "Carry Runs" for 2M to anyone wanting the skin. And supposedly the person being carried gets to keep all 12 gold pieces awarded at the end. The hell?
That's where we are as an end-game PvE community right now on console, and it's horrible. It's get shuffled around and bs'd to constantly, unless you know someone who'll "make time for you" to get tested relentlessly. Get thrown in half-added progression teams. Get treated like ****, spoken down to, lied to, and forgotten about for the most part. And hope you just can click-up with the "pros" to let you into a dedicated Maw group.
Why am I even talking about this, being as how I do often speak of preferring solo play and being on my own? Because I witnessed the crap first-hand for myself not too long ago, and am disgusted. And plus I've had experience of what is occurring myself. Even as a guy who solo's vet dungeons on hard mode, has flawless, has beaten all vet trials on hard mode — I'm labeled as "progression" and "subpar" due to not having a damn Maw skin. And because of the bs, I probably won't ever get it. Damn the fact I know mechanics of the place inside and out. Damn the fact I put up with DPS tests in the past from this and that guild, when I hate the stupid tests to begin with. Damn the fact I can do what most can't, and have video footage of me doing so. Damn all that. That means nothing, all because my skin isn't black with shiny blue inserts. I've been lied to by guild after guild, and people who I thought were friends. All because of something Maw related usually being behind it. I'm so sick and tired of the ****, you won't believe it.
And it's not just Maw that this crap started. No. The elitism and segregation REALLY kicked off with the Stormproof emergence. If you weren't Stormproof, you didn't mean squat. And we're ignored and treated like filth. Now it's Maw. And because of the events that happened previously, it's 10x worse than back then. Except when back then (and to this day somewhat people account shared for Stormproof clears. And paid others to get leaderboard runs. This still occurs, but not as much as it used to.
Bro this kind of cancer is also being overrun in the PC community, and not just for consoles.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert has created an extreme toxic community giving these elite players power over the rest of us. We are just a scab that needs to be picked off from a wound, that's all.
Only selective players can do vMOL, and that's it.
It's interesting you say that, as numerous folks have messaged me about the elitism taking place on PC/Mac when it comes to trials. And how a few of the top guilds on PC/Mac that some folks joined weren't really as polite and respectful as they came off to be. As well as how they love to say they aren't snobs and stuck up. Granted I haven't played on my account on Mac in months, but some of the folks telling me this I know for a fact aren't lying. Because the snobs give away themselves here on the forums with their behavior. Just take a glance at some of the folk's posts who are apart of certain famed guilds, and see how they behave. But they'll have every excuse as to why they act like this, and how their guilds are so kindhearted this and that. But every time I turn around, they're making snide remarks left and right. And constantly acting holier than thou.raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »VMoL has turned people into elitists and turned people into liars. Or rather brought those things to the surface, if they've already existed.
You have people comparing DPS scores constantly if you want a chance at getting in a group, and people getting hounded about what gear they're wearing, and who they know. You basically get interviewed at a chance of doing VMoL. And even then the so-called progression teams are a sham. Or so I've experienced from 4 different guilds. It's to the point now some guilds literally break people up as: "Skinned" and "Non-Skinned". The "Non-Skinned" people get treated like ****, and get placed on these strictly timed "progression teams" that really just waste time. And wipe constantly until the time is up for the progression team's "slot", and then at the end give a half-assed speech about how the progress was good. Only for moments later after the run to talk about how the "Skinned" make things so much easier, and how they actually try during those. WTF? And to make matters worse, it's not even like these folks are even applying strategies and methods that they came up with themselves. No. They got it from watching YouTube videos, and communicating with folks who play on PC. Get information from there, and replicate it until it's damn near the same. It's ridiculous.
Oh, and you best believe I'm not leaving out the corrupt side of things. Remember that exploit of Maw? Well there's tons of people with the skin, and don't even know the mechanics. But get treated like royalty whereever they go because of it. I met a CP277 earlier in Grahtwood. Asked how they got the skin, and was told that they, "Got it while the getting was good." Huh? Seriously? And they get treated better than other folks because they exploited for it? Not to mention the carrying nonsense occurring. The so-called "Number 1" end-game PvE guild calling themselves a "Council" on PS4 are selling "Carry Runs" for 2M to anyone wanting the skin. And supposedly the person being carried gets to keep all 12 gold pieces awarded at the end. The hell?
That's where we are as an end-game PvE community right now on console, and it's horrible. It's get shuffled around and bs'd to constantly, unless you know someone who'll "make time for you" to get tested relentlessly. Get thrown in half-added progression teams. Get treated like ****, spoken down to, lied to, and forgotten about for the most part. And hope you just can click-up with the "pros" to let you into a dedicated Maw group.
Why am I even talking about this, being as how I do often speak of preferring solo play and being on my own? Because I witnessed the crap first-hand for myself not too long ago, and am disgusted. And plus I've had experience of what is occurring myself. Even as a guy who solo's vet dungeons on hard mode, has flawless, has beaten all vet trials on hard mode — I'm labeled as "progression" and "subpar" due to not having a damn Maw skin. And because of the bs, I probably won't ever get it. Damn the fact I know mechanics of the place inside and out. Damn the fact I put up with DPS tests in the past from this and that guild, when I hate the stupid tests to begin with. Damn the fact I can do what most can't, and have video footage of me doing so. Damn all that. That means nothing, all because my skin isn't black with shiny blue inserts. I've been lied to by guild after guild, and people who I thought were friends. All because of something Maw related usually being behind it. I'm so sick and tired of the ****, you won't believe it.
And it's not just Maw that this crap started. No. The elitism and segregation REALLY kicked off with the Stormproof emergence. If you weren't Stormproof, you didn't mean squat. And we're ignored and treated like filth. Now it's Maw. And because of the events that happened previously, it's 10x worse than back then. Except when back then (and to this day somewhat people account shared for Stormproof clears. And paid others to get leaderboard runs. This still occurs, but not as much as it used to.
Bro this kind of cancer is also being overrun in the PC community, and not just for consoles.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert has created an extreme toxic community giving these elite players power over the rest of us. We are just a scab that needs to be picked off from a wound, that's all.
Only selective players can do vMOL, and that's it.
Yes they have. Seriously, reverse the resistance and health change, this goes down tremendously.
Is it any wonder why people are quitting the game and returning to play Skyrim again? The evidence is here http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ (I would love to see ZOS version of player status - will they ever release such database??) Skyrim is beating ESO severely on the amount of players playing the game each day. ESO can't even reach teen status... even Skyrim Special Edition is beating ESO.
Players like me are getting fed up with the concept of other players (The elitists) dictating what we can and cannot play in a game that we paid for with our hard earn money. The fact that only elite players and their friends can play vMOL while the rest of us cannot play due to our peasant status is ridiculous.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »VMoL has turned people into elitists and turned people into liars. Or rather brought those things to the surface, if they've already existed.
You have people comparing DPS scores constantly if you want a chance at getting in a group, and people getting hounded about what gear they're wearing, and who they know. You basically get interviewed at a chance of doing VMoL. And even then the so-called progression teams are a sham. Or so I've experienced from 4 different guilds. It's to the point now some guilds literally break people up as: "Skinned" and "Non-Skinned". The "Non-Skinned" people get treated like ****, and get placed on these strictly timed "progression teams" that really just waste time. And wipe constantly until the time is up for the progression team's "slot", and then at the end give a half-assed speech about how the progress was good. Only for moments later after the run to talk about how the "Skinned" make things so much easier, and how they actually try during those. WTF? And to make matters worse, it's not even like these folks are even applying strategies and methods that they came up with themselves. No. They got it from watching YouTube videos, and communicating with folks who play on PC. Get information from there, and replicate it until it's damn near the same. It's ridiculous.
Oh, and you best believe I'm not leaving out the corrupt side of things. Remember that exploit of Maw? Well there's tons of people with the skin, and don't even know the mechanics. But get treated like royalty whereever they go because of it. I met a CP277 earlier in Grahtwood. Asked how they got the skin, and was told that they, "Got it while the getting was good." Huh? Seriously? And they get treated better than other folks because they exploited for it? Not to mention the carrying nonsense occurring. The so-called "Number 1" end-game PvE guild calling themselves a "Council" on PS4 are selling "Carry Runs" for 2M to anyone wanting the skin. And supposedly the person being carried gets to keep all 12 gold pieces awarded at the end. The hell?
That's where we are as an end-game PvE community right now on console, and it's horrible. It's get shuffled around and bs'd to constantly, unless you know someone who'll "make time for you" to get tested relentlessly. Get thrown in half-added progression teams. Get treated like ****, spoken down to, lied to, and forgotten about for the most part. And hope you just can click-up with the "pros" to let you into a dedicated Maw group.
Why am I even talking about this, being as how I do often speak of preferring solo play and being on my own? Because I witnessed the crap first-hand for myself not too long ago, and am disgusted. And plus I've had experience of what is occurring myself. Even as a guy who solo's vet dungeons on hard mode, has flawless, has beaten all vet trials on hard mode — I'm labeled as "progression" and "subpar" due to not having a damn Maw skin. And because of the bs, I probably won't ever get it. Damn the fact I know mechanics of the place inside and out. Damn the fact I put up with DPS tests in the past from this and that guild, when I hate the stupid tests to begin with. Damn the fact I can do what most can't, and have video footage of me doing so. Damn all that. That means nothing, all because my skin isn't black with shiny blue inserts. I've been lied to by guild after guild, and people who I thought were friends. All because of something Maw related usually being behind it. I'm so sick and tired of the ****, you won't believe it.
And it's not just Maw that this crap started. No. The elitism and segregation REALLY kicked off with the Stormproof emergence. If you weren't Stormproof, you didn't mean squat. And we're ignored and treated like filth. Now it's Maw. And because of the events that happened previously, it's 10x worse than back then. Except when back then (and to this day somewhat people account shared for Stormproof clears. And paid others to get leaderboard runs. This still occurs, but not as much as it used to.
Bro this kind of cancer is also being overrun in the PC community, and not just for consoles.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert has created an extreme toxic community giving these elite players power over the rest of us. We are just a scab that needs to be picked off from a wound, that's all.
Only selective players can do vMOL, and that's it.
Yes they have. Seriously, reverse the resistance and health change, this goes down tremendously.
And it's because of these shifts that sharpened is the must have trait for weapons. Because anything else won't cut it. Havings tons of resistances on things and applying content after content that incorporated DPS races constantly fuels these types of things. Which only is only bad for the community in the long run. Difficult content being difficult because it's a race, and it has tons of resistances is what I'd call artificial difficulty. And it often times than not provides an ego boost to those in question.
Person A: "Oh, have you heard about _____? His DPS time was _____, and burned ______ like it was nothing! He's my favorite dude, he's so good."
Me: "But, he's squishy. He died constantly, and has little to no sustain. Why are you idolizing that?"
Person A: "There you go hating again, Champ. Lulz. Just because you don't have the deeps like him, doesn't mean you should talk bad of them."
Me: "... Dude. The guy has 17k-18k health max. And is constantly burning out of resources. How is that appealing?"
Person A: "Clearly he's a pro, because he's skinned. You don't clear Maw without high 'deeps' Champ. Which is why you're not-skinned and he is. He even has his own personal healers of guilds, that heal and buff strictly him. Why you mad for, Champ?"
Me: "... Smfh..."1 -
GazHilarant✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »VMoL has turned people into
Person A: "Oh, have you heard about _____? His DPS time was _____, and burned ______ like it was nothing! He's my favorite dude, he's so good."
Me: "But, he's squishy. He died constantly, and has little to no sustain. Why are you idolizing that?"
Person A: "There you go hating again, Champ. Lulz. Just because you don't have the deeps like him, doesn't mean you should talk bad of them."
Me: "... Dude. The guy has 17k-18k health max. And is constantly burning out of resources. How is that appealing?"
Person A: "Clearly he's a pro, because he's skinned. You don't clear Maw without high 'deeps' Champ. Which is why you're not-skinned and he is. He even has his own personal healers of guilds, that heal and buff strictly him. Why you mad for, Champ?"
Me: "... Smfh..."
I feel like this is inception, here is a quote, within a quote, within a quote..
I find this conversation script you posted rather contrived, whereas "Person A" sounds like they are idolizing end game players like they are Nicolas Cage, the "me" character sounds like a real negative nancy. Due to increasingly punishing add pulls and mechanics in these trials being time based, yes high DPS is necessary.
If someone is asking for you to have a setup that you don't have, it's not necessarily them they are elitists. In most scenarios it means they don't want to spend hours on end in a trial with someone who is not properly geared.2 -
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✭Person A: "Oh, have you heard about _____? His DPS time was _____, and burned ______ like it was nothing! He's my favorite dude, he's so good."
Me: "But, he's squishy. He died constantly, and has little to no sustain. Why are you idolizing that?"
Person A: "There you go hating again, Champ. Lulz. Just because you don't have the deeps like him, doesn't mean you should talk bad of them."
Me: "... Dude. The guy has 17k-18k health max. And is constantly burning out of resources. How is that appealing?"
Person A: "Clearly he's a pro, because he's skinned. You don't clear Maw without high 'deeps' Champ. Which is why you're not-skinned and he is. He even has his own personal healers of guilds, that heal and buff strictly him. Why you mad for, Champ?"
Me: "... Smfh..."
And here we get to the crux of the matter at hand. You tired to force your solo geared build into a raid environment, got told it was different and you're upset about it. Now you're using the same lies brandished about by many before you.
"They have low HP and can't fully self sustain."
High HP and total self sustain are the traits of a solo build. A group is meant to support each other together. A DPS only needs enough HP to avoid one-shots (which is 17k-18k, btw) and enough sustain to hold out for before their Potion is off CD. Because the rest is taken care of by group members in support roles in a solid group.
I asked around to get the other points of view on the story of what happened with you and some of these guilds. It shook out from everyone I asked that you demanded to be put in core groups without wanting to start at the bottom and work you're way up. You tried to pass off solo exploits as evidence that you were good in trials, and when asked about your build, you refused to even answer.
From that point of view it seems like you showed your ass to everyone and expected them to reward you for it.
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Riga_Mortis✭✭✭✭✭Person A: "Oh, have you heard about _____? His DPS time was _____, and burned ______ like it was nothing! He's my favorite dude, he's so good."
Me: "But, he's squishy. He died constantly, and has little to no sustain. Why are you idolizing that?"
Person A: "There you go hating again, Champ. Lulz. Just because you don't have the deeps like him, doesn't mean you should talk bad of them."
Me: "... Dude. The guy has 17k-18k health max. And is constantly burning out of resources. How is that appealing?"
Person A: "Clearly he's a pro, because he's skinned. You don't clear Maw without high 'deeps' Champ. Which is why you're not-skinned and he is. He even has his own personal healers of guilds, that heal and buff strictly him. Why you mad for, Champ?"
Me: "... Smfh..."
And here we get to the crux of the matter at hand. You tired to force your solo geared build into a raid environment, got told it was different and you're upset about it. Now you're using the same lies brandished about by many before you.
"They have low HP and can't fully self sustain."
High HP and total self sustain are the traits of a solo build. A group is meant to support each other together. A DPS only needs enough HP to avoid one-shots (which is 17k-18k, btw) and enough sustain to hold out for before their Potion is off CD. Because the rest is taken care of by group members in support roles in a solid group.
I asked around to get the other points of view on the story of what happened with you and some of these guilds. It shook out from everyone I asked that you demanded to be put in core groups without wanting to start at the bottom and work you're way up. You tried to pass off solo exploits as evidence that you were good in trials, and when asked about your build, you refused to even answer.
From that point of view it seems like you showed your ass to everyone and expected them to reward you for it.
Get the feeling OP has recently killed (cheesed) Rakkhat and wanted to clear first bosses for a certain skin maybe.
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✭✭✭✭✭Person A: "Oh, have you heard about _____? His DPS time was _____, and burned ______ like it was nothing! He's my favorite dude, he's so good."
Me: "But, he's squishy. He died constantly, and has little to no sustain. Why are you idolizing that?"
Person A: "There you go hating again, Champ. Lulz. Just because you don't have the deeps like him, doesn't mean you should talk bad of them."
Me: "... Dude. The guy has 17k-18k health max. And is constantly burning out of resources. How is that appealing?"
Person A: "Clearly he's a pro, because he's skinned. You don't clear Maw without high 'deeps' Champ. Which is why you're not-skinned and he is. He even has his own personal healers of guilds, that heal and buff strictly him. Why you mad for, Champ?"
Me: "... Smfh..."
And here we get to the crux of the matter at hand. You tired to force your solo geared build into a raid environment, got told it was different and you're upset about it. Now you're using the same lies brandished about by many before you.
"They have low HP and can't fully self sustain."
High HP and total self sustain are the traits of a solo build. A group is meant to support each other together. A DPS only needs enough HP to avoid one-shots (which is 17k-18k, btw) and enough sustain to hold out for before their Potion is off CD. Because the rest is taken care of by group members in support roles in a solid group.
I asked around to get the other points of view on the story of what happened with you and some of these guilds. It shook out from everyone I asked that you demanded to be put in core groups without wanting to start at the bottom and work you're way up. You tried to pass off solo exploits as evidence that you were good in trials, and when asked about your build, you refused to even answer.
From that point of view it seems like you showed your ass to everyone and expected them to reward you for it.
Demanded to be placed into core groups? No. Not really. For 1, I hardly even play with groups of people to begin with. And only within the past week or so took interest in VMoL. As prior to that, I was barely playing ESO and mainly investing my time in Overwatch (trying to climb in Season 3). As well as maintaining the crew I own on GTA:O, and helping people with the new car selling missions incorporated as CEO work. So whomever told you that, were flat out liars. Although, I'm pretty sure I know of who exactly you're talking about. And will be gleefully confronting them when I get the chance to, about them telling lies about me.
Oh, and the whole not answering about my build(s)? I happily talk about it with anyone who ever ask questions of it. And will thoroughly explain them. Whether it be PvE or PvP. And if that won't work, will happily post a video that they can see for themselves. So all that me being secretive and hiding things? Again you're mistaken.
In fact, for the longest time after 1T launched I made thread after thread of content being completed solo. And a lot of folks here on the forums had a lot of complaining about it, and how it seemed I was bragging of what I was doing. Do some research on my previous threads and see it for yourself.
And solo exploits? What exploits have I EVER been apart of? The only thing even remotely close to an exploit I was ever connected to, was the old Glenumbra Pig Farm trick years ago. Where tons upon tons of people daily killed pigs that spawned in a little shed, to get clothing materials to deconstruct. Outside of that, I've NEVER been apart of anything even close to shady. Too much riding on the line, and I'd never want my account banned. I've had it previously suspended once for 3 days back when survey duplication was a thing, and I was falsely banned for it (and was unbanned for it and apologized to). So where are you getting this nonsense from?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@dday3six By the way, go do a search on any of the things I mentioned. Because I've damn near made threads about them all in the past. The whole thing about me making tons of threads? That has some truth to it. Lol. So by all means, look it up for yourself about everything I'm talking about. You'll come across it easily.0 -
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✭Person A: "Oh, have you heard about _____? His DPS time was _____, and burned ______ like it was nothing! He's my favorite dude, he's so good."
Me: "But, he's squishy. He died constantly, and has little to no sustain. Why are you idolizing that?"
Person A: "There you go hating again, Champ. Lulz. Just because you don't have the deeps like him, doesn't mean you should talk bad of them."
Me: "... Dude. The guy has 17k-18k health max. And is constantly burning out of resources. How is that appealing?"
Person A: "Clearly he's a pro, because he's skinned. You don't clear Maw without high 'deeps' Champ. Which is why you're not-skinned and he is. He even has his own personal healers of guilds, that heal and buff strictly him. Why you mad for, Champ?"
Me: "... Smfh..."
And here we get to the crux of the matter at hand. You tired to force your solo geared build into a raid environment, got told it was different and you're upset about it. Now you're using the same lies brandished about by many before you.
"They have low HP and can't fully self sustain."
High HP and total self sustain are the traits of a solo build. A group is meant to support each other together. A DPS only needs enough HP to avoid one-shots (which is 17k-18k, btw) and enough sustain to hold out for before their Potion is off CD. Because the rest is taken care of by group members in support roles in a solid group.
I asked around to get the other points of view on the story of what happened with you and some of these guilds. It shook out from everyone I asked that you demanded to be put in core groups without wanting to start at the bottom and work you're way up. You tried to pass off solo exploits as evidence that you were good in trials, and when asked about your build, you refused to even answer.
From that point of view it seems like you showed your ass to everyone and expected them to reward you for it.
Demanded to be placed into core groups? No. Not really. For 1, I hardly even play with groups of people to begin with. And only within the past week or so took interest in VMoL. As prior to that, I was barely playing ESO and mainly investing my time in Overwatch (trying to climb in Season 3). As well as maintaining the crew I own on GTA:O, and helping people with the new car selling missions incorporated as CEO work. So whomever told you that, were flat out liars. Although, I'm pretty sure I know of who exactly you're talking about. And will be gleefully confronting them when I get the chance to, about them telling lies about me.
Oh, and the whole not answering about my build(s)? I happily talk about it with anyone who ever ask questions of it. And will thoroughly explain them. Whether it be PvE or PvP. And if that won't work, will happily post a video that they can see for themselves. So all that me being secretive and hiding things? Again you're mistaken.
In fact, for the longest time after 1T launched I made thread after thread of content being completed solo. And a lot of folks here on the forums had a lot of complaining about it, and how it seemed I was bragging of what I was doing. Do some research on my previous threads and see it for yourself.
And solo exploits? What exploits have I EVER been apart of? The only thing even remotely close to an exploit I was ever connected to, was the old Glenumbra Pig Farm trick years ago. Where tons upon tons of people daily killed pigs that spawned in a little shed, to get clothing materials to deconstruct. Outside of that, I've NEVER been apart of anything even close to shady. Too much riding on the line, and I'd never want my account banned. I've had it previously suspended once for 3 days back when survey duplication was a thing, and I was falsely banned for it (and was unbanned for it and apologized to). So where are you getting this nonsense from?
We are posting in a thread you started complaining about the structure of endgame raiding guilds and your negative experience with them. I asked around the endgame guilds are PS4 about their experience with you. It too, was mostly negative. It wasn't about you trying to get into endgame groups in the past, but the present. You know the thing that you started this thread complaining about.
And builds, yes. As I was told it you stonewalled about your builds stating they allowed you to solo dungeons so they'd be fine for Vet Maw. 'Exploits' also has other meanings beyond how it's used for video games. I was using it as a synonym for 'feats'.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Person A: "Oh, have you heard about _____? His DPS time was _____, and burned ______ like it was nothing! He's my favorite dude, he's so good."
Me: "But, he's squishy. He died constantly, and has little to no sustain. Why are you idolizing that?"
Person A: "There you go hating again, Champ. Lulz. Just because you don't have the deeps like him, doesn't mean you should talk bad of them."
Me: "... Dude. The guy has 17k-18k health max. And is constantly burning out of resources. How is that appealing?"
Person A: "Clearly he's a pro, because he's skinned. You don't clear Maw without high 'deeps' Champ. Which is why you're not-skinned and he is. He even has his own personal healers of guilds, that heal and buff strictly him. Why you mad for, Champ?"
Me: "... Smfh..."
And here we get to the crux of the matter at hand. You tired to force your solo geared build into a raid environment, got told it was different and you're upset about it. Now you're using the same lies brandished about by many before you.
"They have low HP and can't fully self sustain."
High HP and total self sustain are the traits of a solo build. A group is meant to support each other together. A DPS only needs enough HP to avoid one-shots (which is 17k-18k, btw) and enough sustain to hold out for before their Potion is off CD. Because the rest is taken care of by group members in support roles in a solid group.
I asked around to get the other points of view on the story of what happened with you and some of these guilds. It shook out from everyone I asked that you demanded to be put in core groups without wanting to start at the bottom and work you're way up. You tried to pass off solo exploits as evidence that you were good in trials, and when asked about your build, you refused to even answer.
From that point of view it seems like you showed your ass to everyone and expected them to reward you for it.
Demanded to be placed into core groups? No. Not really. For 1, I hardly even play with groups of people to begin with. And only within the past week or so took interest in VMoL. As prior to that, I was barely playing ESO and mainly investing my time in Overwatch (trying to climb in Season 3). As well as maintaining the crew I own on GTA:O, and helping people with the new car selling missions incorporated as CEO work. So whomever told you that, were flat out liars. Although, I'm pretty sure I know of who exactly you're talking about. And will be gleefully confronting them when I get the chance to, about them telling lies about me.
Oh, and the whole not answering about my build(s)? I happily talk about it with anyone who ever ask questions of it. And will thoroughly explain them. Whether it be PvE or PvP. And if that won't work, will happily post a video that they can see for themselves. So all that me being secretive and hiding things? Again you're mistaken.
In fact, for the longest time after 1T launched I made thread after thread of content being completed solo. And a lot of folks here on the forums had a lot of complaining about it, and how it seemed I was bragging of what I was doing. Do some research on my previous threads and see it for yourself.
And solo exploits? What exploits have I EVER been apart of? The only thing even remotely close to an exploit I was ever connected to, was the old Glenumbra Pig Farm trick years ago. Where tons upon tons of people daily killed pigs that spawned in a little shed, to get clothing materials to deconstruct. Outside of that, I've NEVER been apart of anything even close to shady. Too much riding on the line, and I'd never want my account banned. I've had it previously suspended once for 3 days back when survey duplication was a thing, and I was falsely banned for it (and was unbanned for it and apologized to). So where are you getting this nonsense from?
We are posting in a thread you started complaining about the structure of endgame raiding guilds and your negative experience with them. I asked around the endgame guilds are PS4 about their experience with you. It too, was mostly negative. It wasn't about you trying to get into endgame groups in the past, but the present. You know the thing that you started this thread complaining about.
And builds, yes. As I was told it you stonewalled about your builds stating they allowed you to solo dungeons so they'd be fine for Vet Maw. 'Exploits' also has other meanings beyond how it's used for video games. I was using it as a synonym for 'feats'.
Untrue. Considering I solo content with mainly my main (PetSorc). And also absolutely refuse to bring it into any trial, unless specifically asked to or was seeking a title (earlier on). I will still solo dailies with my other characters, but I mainly do most of my solo'ing with my PetSorc. And I'd never in a million years think of bringing it into Maw. So no. Lol. Incorrect. And anyone who knows me will tell you that I am particularly standoffish about bringing my PetSorc around others (unless crafting for others). Although, I will happily explain its build to anyone curious and post videos of it (as with the rest of my characters). So that doesn't even make sense.
And again as I've said, I hardly even played with too many folks prior to the past week. Let alone took interest in VMoL, as I've been heavily focused on improving myself on Overwatch and climbing Season 3 (which I've been having pretty good success at). I've been so focused on OW since I've gotten it, and making new cliques that I've not even been spending that much time on ESO. Maybe about 2-3hrs. a day on ESO I spend, as the rest of my time gets invested to OW nowadays. And if you really want the particulars, just check out my timeline on PSN. I'll happily add you for you to check it out.
Edit: I also so far have asked 2 people I suspected could've told those lies about me, and they both declined. And agreed how it makes no sense, nor how the atories don't add up from me barely being around that much on ESO. Let alone being too social when I am around. Often times helping others when asked, or seeing someone struggle with something and saying they need a DPS. As I'd rather farm gear solo to sell, and theorycraft alone. Fumbling through builds and gear that interest me, as well as potential setups that might be viable come Update 13.Edited by Ch4mpTW on January 31, 2017 9:34PM0 -
Attackopsn✭✭✭✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Wow console is a backwater. PC has some problems, but separating people by skinned and non-skinned is a bit much lol.
His exaggeration level is over 9,000, I promise you. Check his previous threads and you will see. Yes, there is elitism, but that always exist.
Lmfao, except one part, we were actually selling them for 3.6m and splitting the loot between the four people carrying. Hey, they all payed 3.6m each we can't give all 12 gold pieces to one person lol.ign: ATTACKO
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rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭@Ch4mpTW I run an endgame Trials guild and our requirements are the base requirements needed to clear vMoL. We have been called elitists and all the names you mentioned above. vMoL is really that difficult. Unless you are in Meta gear and do a minimum of 30k unbuffed dps parse you will be the weak link of the team. Can it be compensated by other players who can pull more numbers ? Yes.. Why would they have to do it for you? If wanting the group to succeed without carrying anyone is elitism so be it..
Since you yourself claimed that you only do solo content I'm guessing that you don't know how these group dynamics work.. There are people who get carried but again it is a part of the game.. ZoS removed ways for raiders to make money so they sell their services to make money.. Having the "Skin" doenst mean you are a great raider.. Performing with the skin is what that counts..I play how I want to.5 -
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Let me attempt to clear up some misconceptions.
Let's start with the raid makeup. It works because of division of labor. If person A is better at making product A and person B is better at making product B and they stick to only making what they are best at we will have the most overall product produced. That is why people in real life have specific jobs and why in a raid heals buff and sustain while the DPS go all out DPS. Having the ability to stay alive with lower health and manage your resources with low regeneration are skills you need to have in your skill set as a raider. In the end the raid is much more efficient.
No one at all is stopping you from playing any content in the game. You are welcomed, even encouraged to play the game however you see fit. You are 100% correct that you have paid for it and have the right to experience whatever you see fit. Most people who have replied have encouraged you to still go and play the content - anyone can go in. It is true that most if not all Maw teams have some sort of requirements. Even if you are unwilling to have to go through that you can still play the content. Make your own team. It's what a lot of people in your position have done and recommended you do. If, however, by people keeping you from the game you mean people not willing to change the way they play to suit you - you may need to reexamine the situation. Aren't you yourself unhappy that you need to change the way you play to suit them? Why would the reverse be OK?
Lastly I've explained twice now why most raids have requirements. It's usually got nothing to do with elitism. Sure, there are elitists out there. It's crummy to look down on people or separate people by skinned and not skinned. I know I personally don't think any less of anyone who hasn't completed. There are lots of awesome people who have never done maw. If you are trying to join a maw team though, experience does matter. Would you want your surgeon to have operated before or be completely green? It's why most teams have training runs - to give people said experience.
Guys, please stop demonizing the raiding community. They are people. People who work hard and are often kind and dedicated. I am a raider and have many fantastic friends and guild mates who are raiders. My team is great people. Every one of them will 9 times out of 10 go out of their way to help others. All this finger pointing is just not a great thing to do.
If this doesn't get through I honestly don't know if you are willing to listen to reason. I do sencerely wish you all the best. Despite our differences I hope you manage to enjoy the game and its content as much as possible.Fear is Failure NA PCMain - mSC - Somatic Fury EPmNB - A Sussurrus EP mTP - Wicked Light DC mDK - Flagellant ADsNB - Wicked Haze EP sDK - Do'Ashara EPTP healer - The Morphine EPDK tank - Unyielding Fury EP
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✭✭✭✭✭Attackopsn wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Wow console is a backwater. PC has some problems, but separating people by skinned and non-skinned is a bit much lol.
His exaggeration level is over 9,000, I promise you. Check his previous threads and you will see. Yes, there is elitism, but that always exist.
Lmfao, except one part, we were actually selling them for 3.6m and splitting the loot between the four people carrying. Hey, they all payed 3.6m each we can't give all 12 gold pieces to one person lol.
You're seriously that arrogant and cocky to boast about selling skins on the forums? You serious? I know that you're so often spoken highly of for having "inhuman DPS", but nothing about that is cute or cool. Wow. Just wow. And joking about it, like you're Big Willy.Miss_Morphine wrote: »@raidentenshu_ESO @Ch4mpTW @Doctordarkspawn
Let me attempt to clear up some misconceptions.
Let's start with the raid makeup. It works because of division of labor. If person A is better at making product A and person B is better at making product B and they stick to only making what they are best at we will have the most overall product produced. That is why people in real life have specific jobs and why in a raid heals buff and sustain while the DPS go all out DPS. Having the ability to stay alive with lower health and manage your resources with low regeneration are skills you need to have in your skill set as a raider. In the end the raid is much more efficient.
No one at all is stopping you from playing any content in the game. You are welcomed, even encouraged to play the game however you see fit. You are 100% correct that you have paid for it and have the right to experience whatever you see fit. Most people who have replied have encouraged you to still go and play the content - anyone can go in. It is true that most if not all Maw teams have some sort of requirements. Even if you are unwilling to have to go through that you can still play the content. Make your own team. It's what a lot of people in your position have done and recommended you do. If, however, by people keeping you from the game you mean people not willing to change the way they play to suit you - you may need to reexamine the situation. Aren't you yourself unhappy that you need to change the way you play to suit them? Why would the reverse be OK?
Lastly I've explained twice now why most raids have requirements. It's usually got nothing to do with elitism. Sure, there are elitists out there. It's crummy to look down on people or separate people by skinned and not skinned. I know I personally don't think any less of anyone who hasn't completed. There are lots of awesome people who have never done maw. If you are trying to join a maw team though, experience does matter. Would you want your surgeon to have operated before or be completely green? It's why most teams have training runs - to give people said experience.
Guys, please stop demonizing the raiding community. They are people. People who work hard and are often kind and dedicated. I am a raider and have many fantastic friends and guild mates who are raiders. My team is great people. Every one of them will 9 times out of 10 go out of their way to help others. All this finger pointing is just not a great thing to do.
If this doesn't get through I honestly don't know if you are willing to listen to reason. I do sencerely wish you all the best. Despite our differences I hope you manage to enjoy the game and its content as much as possible.
@Miss_Morphine Take a good look at what Attacko just posted. 1 of the so called "Top 1% of ESO Damage Dealers". Lol. Yeah. Right. And while I don't believe in shaming and all that jazz, I have had a few encounters with his clique and those like him. As well as heard tons upon tons of stories about the elitism that swirls around them and those they link up with. Dude is actually boasting about selling skins, and finds humor in actions like those. But of course, that type of behavior is okay. Because folks need to make gold somehow, right? It's totally chill to behave that way, and think that way, because they have this and that DPS. Have the the Maw skin, and be in a super prestigious and elite clique on a video game.
And as for those who say I don't know about group dynamics? Untrue. I have completed all trials on veteran difficulty and their hard modes, except Maw. I have obtained both of the skins rewarded from the Shadows of the Hist dungeons, and regularly help people if asked to. I'll give them a shot, and do what I can to help them get what is asked of them. At least until they start spewing the nonsense about how this and that pro did this, and has this and that accolade. In which case I promptly leave. Or if I'm trying to help them, and they'd rather change how they go about tackling things — after asking that I help them to begin with.0 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Attackopsn wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Wow console is a backwater. PC has some problems, but separating people by skinned and non-skinned is a bit much lol.
His exaggeration level is over 9,000, I promise you. Check his previous threads and you will see. Yes, there is elitism, but that always exist.
Lmfao, except one part, we were actually selling them for 3.6m and splitting the loot between the four people carrying. Hey, they all payed 3.6m each we can't give all 12 gold pieces to one person lol.
You're seriously that arrogant and cocky to boast about selling skins on the forums? You serious? I know that you're so often spoken highly of for having "inhuman DPS", but nothing about that is cute or cool. Wow. Just wow. And joking about it, like you're Big Willy.Miss_Morphine wrote: »@raidentenshu_ESO @Ch4mpTW @Doctordarkspawn
Let me attempt to clear up some misconceptions.
Let's start with the raid makeup. It works because of division of labor. If person A is better at making product A and person B is better at making product B and they stick to only making what they are best at we will have the most overall product produced. That is why people in real life have specific jobs and why in a raid heals buff and sustain while the DPS go all out DPS. Having the ability to stay alive with lower health and manage your resources with low regeneration are skills you need to have in your skill set as a raider. In the end the raid is much more efficient.
No one at all is stopping you from playing any content in the game. You are welcomed, even encouraged to play the game however you see fit. You are 100% correct that you have paid for it and have the right to experience whatever you see fit. Most people who have replied have encouraged you to still go and play the content - anyone can go in. It is true that most if not all Maw teams have some sort of requirements. Even if you are unwilling to have to go through that you can still play the content. Make your own team. It's what a lot of people in your position have done and recommended you do. If, however, by people keeping you from the game you mean people not willing to change the way they play to suit you - you may need to reexamine the situation. Aren't you yourself unhappy that you need to change the way you play to suit them? Why would the reverse be OK?
Lastly I've explained twice now why most raids have requirements. It's usually got nothing to do with elitism. Sure, there are elitists out there. It's crummy to look down on people or separate people by skinned and not skinned. I know I personally don't think any less of anyone who hasn't completed. There are lots of awesome people who have never done maw. If you are trying to join a maw team though, experience does matter. Would you want your surgeon to have operated before or be completely green? It's why most teams have training runs - to give people said experience.
Guys, please stop demonizing the raiding community. They are people. People who work hard and are often kind and dedicated. I am a raider and have many fantastic friends and guild mates who are raiders. My team is great people. Every one of them will 9 times out of 10 go out of their way to help others. All this finger pointing is just not a great thing to do.
If this doesn't get through I honestly don't know if you are willing to listen to reason. I do sencerely wish you all the best. Despite our differences I hope you manage to enjoy the game and its content as much as possible.
@Miss_Morphine Take a good look at what Attacko just posted. 1 of the so called "Top 1% of ESO Damage Dealers". Lol. Yeah. Right. And while I don't believe in shaming and all that jazz, I have had a few encounters with his clique and those like him. As well as heard tons upon tons of stories about the elitism that swirls around them and those they link up with. Dude is actually boasting about selling skins, and finds humor in actions like those. But of course, that type of behavior is okay. Because folks need to make gold somehow, right? It's totally chill to behave that way, and think that way, because they have this and that DPS. Have the the Maw skin, and be in a super prestigious and elite clique on a video game.
And as for those who say I don't know about group dynamics? Untrue. I have completed all trials on veteran difficulty and their hard modes, except Maw. I have obtained both of the skins rewarded from the Shadows of the Hist dungeons, and regularly help people if asked to. I'll give them a shot, and do what I can to help them get what is asked of them. At least until they start spewing the nonsense about how this and that pro did this, and has this and that accolade. In which case I promptly leave. Or if I'm trying to help them, and they'd rather change how they go about tackling things — after asking that I help them to begin with.
Bruh. It'll be ok. I promise. It's just a game. You're wasting your breath trying to argue over virtual achievements/money. What you're doing, as in helping new players reach their goals is much more commendable and is actually beneficial to the ESO community. So keep doing that.
Besides, killing the same 3 bosses with the same mechanics over and over and over and over and over and over and over...where was I again? Right. Killing pre-determined AI is SO difficult. Boasting about it is even harder. Living with your parents and having a slight vitamin D deficiency? That's Priceless and is what ESO is all about!Edited by Moglijuana on January 31, 2017 10:39PM5 -
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✭Attackopsn wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Wow console is a backwater. PC has some problems, but separating people by skinned and non-skinned is a bit much lol.
His exaggeration level is over 9,000, I promise you. Check his previous threads and you will see. Yes, there is elitism, but that always exist.
Lmfao, except one part, we were actually selling them for 3.6m and splitting the loot between the four people carrying. Hey, they all payed 3.6m each we can't give all 12 gold pieces to one person lol.
You're seriously that arrogant and cocky to boast about selling skins on the forums? You serious? I know that you're so often spoken highly of for having "inhuman DPS", but nothing about that is cute or cool. Wow. Just wow. And joking about it, like you're Big Willy.Miss_Morphine wrote: »@raidentenshu_ESO @Ch4mpTW @Doctordarkspawn
Let me attempt to clear up some misconceptions.
Let's start with the raid makeup. It works because of division of labor. If person A is better at making product A and person B is better at making product B and they stick to only making what they are best at we will have the most overall product produced. That is why people in real life have specific jobs and why in a raid heals buff and sustain while the DPS go all out DPS. Having the ability to stay alive with lower health and manage your resources with low regeneration are skills you need to have in your skill set as a raider. In the end the raid is much more efficient.
No one at all is stopping you from playing any content in the game. You are welcomed, even encouraged to play the game however you see fit. You are 100% correct that you have paid for it and have the right to experience whatever you see fit. Most people who have replied have encouraged you to still go and play the content - anyone can go in. It is true that most if not all Maw teams have some sort of requirements. Even if you are unwilling to have to go through that you can still play the content. Make your own team. It's what a lot of people in your position have done and recommended you do. If, however, by people keeping you from the game you mean people not willing to change the way they play to suit you - you may need to reexamine the situation. Aren't you yourself unhappy that you need to change the way you play to suit them? Why would the reverse be OK?
Lastly I've explained twice now why most raids have requirements. It's usually got nothing to do with elitism. Sure, there are elitists out there. It's crummy to look down on people or separate people by skinned and not skinned. I know I personally don't think any less of anyone who hasn't completed. There are lots of awesome people who have never done maw. If you are trying to join a maw team though, experience does matter. Would you want your surgeon to have operated before or be completely green? It's why most teams have training runs - to give people said experience.
Guys, please stop demonizing the raiding community. They are people. People who work hard and are often kind and dedicated. I am a raider and have many fantastic friends and guild mates who are raiders. My team is great people. Every one of them will 9 times out of 10 go out of their way to help others. All this finger pointing is just not a great thing to do.
If this doesn't get through I honestly don't know if you are willing to listen to reason. I do sencerely wish you all the best. Despite our differences I hope you manage to enjoy the game and its content as much as possible.
@Miss_Morphine Take a good look at what Attacko just posted. 1 of the so called "Top 1% of ESO Damage Dealers". Lol. Yeah. Right. And while I don't believe in shaming and all that jazz, I have had a few encounters with his clique and those like him. As well as heard tons upon tons of stories about the elitism that swirls around them and those they link up with. Dude is actually boasting about selling skins, and finds humor in actions like those. But of course, that type of behavior is okay. Because folks need to make gold somehow, right? It's totally chill to behave that way, and think that way, because they have this and that DPS. Have the the Maw skin, and be in a super prestigious and elite clique on a video game.
And as for those who say I don't know about group dynamics? Untrue. I have completed all trials on veteran difficulty and their hard modes, except Maw. I have obtained both of the skins rewarded from the Shadows of the Hist dungeons, and regularly help people if asked to. I'll give them a shot, and do what I can to help them get what is asked of them. At least until they start spewing the nonsense about how this and that pro did this, and has this and that accolade. In which case I promptly leave. Or if I'm trying to help them, and they'd rather change how they go about tackling things — after asking that I help them to begin with.
Champ you got catch. You seemed to mistakenly believed there weren't PS4 players on the forums in a position call you on your BS, and you even have "rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots." in you sig, which is the biggest irony of all.
Oh and selling runs is a staple of MMOs. I sold runs in FFXIV all the time. As long as there is no real money changing hands it's legit. Get over it.
Then harping on bragging from the guy who just had to inject how well they were doing in Overwatch into the conversation. The guy who would post a new thread every time they solo'd a dungeon, or other accomplishments. Well pot meet kettle.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Attackopsn wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Wow console is a backwater. PC has some problems, but separating people by skinned and non-skinned is a bit much lol.
His exaggeration level is over 9,000, I promise you. Check his previous threads and you will see. Yes, there is elitism, but that always exist.
Lmfao, except one part, we were actually selling them for 3.6m and splitting the loot between the four people carrying. Hey, they all payed 3.6m each we can't give all 12 gold pieces to one person lol.
You're seriously that arrogant and cocky to boast about selling skins on the forums? You serious? I know that you're so often spoken highly of for having "inhuman DPS", but nothing about that is cute or cool. Wow. Just wow. And joking about it, like you're Big Willy.Miss_Morphine wrote: »@raidentenshu_ESO @Ch4mpTW @Doctordarkspawn
Let me attempt to clear up some misconceptions.
Let's start with the raid makeup. It works because of division of labor. If person A is better at making product A and person B is better at making product B and they stick to only making what they are best at we will have the most overall product produced. That is why people in real life have specific jobs and why in a raid heals buff and sustain while the DPS go all out DPS. Having the ability to stay alive with lower health and manage your resources with low regeneration are skills you need to have in your skill set as a raider. In the end the raid is much more efficient.
No one at all is stopping you from playing any content in the game. You are welcomed, even encouraged to play the game however you see fit. You are 100% correct that you have paid for it and have the right to experience whatever you see fit. Most people who have replied have encouraged you to still go and play the content - anyone can go in. It is true that most if not all Maw teams have some sort of requirements. Even if you are unwilling to have to go through that you can still play the content. Make your own team. It's what a lot of people in your position have done and recommended you do. If, however, by people keeping you from the game you mean people not willing to change the way they play to suit you - you may need to reexamine the situation. Aren't you yourself unhappy that you need to change the way you play to suit them? Why would the reverse be OK?
Lastly I've explained twice now why most raids have requirements. It's usually got nothing to do with elitism. Sure, there are elitists out there. It's crummy to look down on people or separate people by skinned and not skinned. I know I personally don't think any less of anyone who hasn't completed. There are lots of awesome people who have never done maw. If you are trying to join a maw team though, experience does matter. Would you want your surgeon to have operated before or be completely green? It's why most teams have training runs - to give people said experience.
Guys, please stop demonizing the raiding community. They are people. People who work hard and are often kind and dedicated. I am a raider and have many fantastic friends and guild mates who are raiders. My team is great people. Every one of them will 9 times out of 10 go out of their way to help others. All this finger pointing is just not a great thing to do.
If this doesn't get through I honestly don't know if you are willing to listen to reason. I do sencerely wish you all the best. Despite our differences I hope you manage to enjoy the game and its content as much as possible.
@Miss_Morphine Take a good look at what Attacko just posted. 1 of the so called "Top 1% of ESO Damage Dealers". Lol. Yeah. Right. And while I don't believe in shaming and all that jazz, I have had a few encounters with his clique and those like him. As well as heard tons upon tons of stories about the elitism that swirls around them and those they link up with. Dude is actually boasting about selling skins, and finds humor in actions like those. But of course, that type of behavior is okay. Because folks need to make gold somehow, right? It's totally chill to behave that way, and think that way, because they have this and that DPS. Have the the Maw skin, and be in a super prestigious and elite clique on a video game.
And as for those who say I don't know about group dynamics? Untrue. I have completed all trials on veteran difficulty and their hard modes, except Maw. I have obtained both of the skins rewarded from the Shadows of the Hist dungeons, and regularly help people if asked to. I'll give them a shot, and do what I can to help them get what is asked of them. At least until they start spewing the nonsense about how this and that pro did this, and has this and that accolade. In which case I promptly leave. Or if I'm trying to help them, and they'd rather change how they go about tackling things — after asking that I help them to begin with.
Champ you got catch. You seemed to mistakenly believed there weren't PS4 players on the forums in a position call you on your BS, and you even have "rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots." in you sig, which is the biggest irony of all.
Oh and selling runs is a staple of MMOs. I sold runs in FFXIV all the time. As long as there is no real money changing hands it's legit. Get over it.
Then harping on bragging from the guy who just had to inject how well they were doing in Overwatch into the conversation. The guy who would post a new thread every time they solo'd a dungeon, or other accomplishments. Well pot meet kettle.
Selling runs is a staple in MMO's? I guess I've been playing the game wrong for years for not charging people for helping them clear content. Whether they were a: Friend, guildie, or random.
And also, I am doing pretty decent in Overwatch for a complete random in Overwatch. I don't know if you know this or not, but gold is FAR from impressive in Overwatch placement-wise. As it's: Brownze, silver, gold, platinum, diamond, masters, and Grandmasters. And I'm only high-gold. So errr. Yeah. I'm far from being on the upper-percent of players in that game. But thanks for remind me of that though.
And busted at what, because everyone I've confronted all said the same thing. "Champ, you have hardly been even around within the guild lately outside the past week or so. Let alone ESO. So that doesn't even make sense. What are you so angry about, because none of us know what you're talking about. A lot of us don't even use the forums, outside to check patch notes here and there and to ask questions."
Take a good look, everyone. People who want to get involved in a lot of end-game PvE stuff. Read the comments here and responses listed. Soak it all up, and process it. The type of stuff in this thread matches up perfectly with what I described in my initial post, and previous thread about how ESO is so split. So now it's considered a staple to sell clears to people, and isn't frowned upon to charge people for help with content. This is really what ESO's PvE scene has become now, and I'm disgusted. Maybe peeps were right in how I should let it go, as things aren't the same and will only get worse over time as things go along. Just worry about myself, watch my own back, help myself, and avoid being social as in the end it just isn't worth it. A damn shame.
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✭✭✭✭✭Miss_Morphine wrote: »@raidentenshu_ESO @Ch4mpTW @Doctordarkspawn
Let me attempt to clear up some misconceptions.
Let's start with the raid makeup. It works because of division of labor. If person A is better at making product A and person B is better at making product B and they stick to only making what they are best at we will have the most overall product produced. That is why people in real life have specific jobs and why in a raid heals buff and sustain while the DPS go all out DPS. Having the ability to stay alive with lower health and manage your resources with low regeneration are skills you need to have in your skill set as a raider. In the end the raid is much more efficient.
No one at all is stopping you from playing any content in the game. You are welcomed, even encouraged to play the game however you see fit. You are 100% correct that you have paid for it and have the right to experience whatever you see fit. Most people who have replied have encouraged you to still go and play the content - anyone can go in. It is true that most if not all Maw teams have some sort of requirements. Even if you are unwilling to have to go through that you can still play the content. Make your own team. It's what a lot of people in your position have done and recommended you do. If, however, by people keeping you from the game you mean people not willing to change the way they play to suit you - you may need to reexamine the situation. Aren't you yourself unhappy that you need to change the way you play to suit them? Why would the reverse be OK?
Lastly I've explained twice now why most raids have requirements. It's usually got nothing to do with elitism. Sure, there are elitists out there. It's crummy to look down on people or separate people by skinned and not skinned. I know I personally don't think any less of anyone who hasn't completed. There are lots of awesome people who have never done maw. If you are trying to join a maw team though, experience does matter. Would you want your surgeon to have operated before or be completely green? It's why most teams have training runs - to give people said experience.
Guys, please stop demonizing the raiding community. They are people. People who work hard and are often kind and dedicated. I am a raider and have many fantastic friends and guild mates who are raiders. My team is great people. Every one of them will 9 times out of 10 go out of their way to help others. All this finger pointing is just not a great thing to do.
If this doesn't get through I honestly don't know if you are willing to listen to reason. I do sencerely wish you all the best. Despite our differences I hope you manage to enjoy the game and its content as much as possible.
Firstly, I've no idea why I've been pinged.
Secondly, I demonize no raid community. I demonize people who demand the game change for them, in every aspect, and everyone who does not sacrifice their enjoyment to succeed be left by the wayside. It's a problem. It's a problem with the community, with it's effect on development and it's effect on how many people actually play endgame when this attitude is present.
The problem is not standards, the problem is when the standards become mandates for everything, not just the content or community they originated in. And that's my issue, I dont have a issue with raiders. In fact, y'know what? Raids should be as hard as tungstein plate. But the attitute toward anyone who does not accept the raid meta as their lord and savior -outside- of raids is rapidly becoming Zero tollerence, and that's what I wont abide.
I hope you enjoy the game you paid for, but if and when that must come at the cost of my enjoyment, I will fight tooth and nail to keep what's mine. (At least I assume that oft disputed point is why I got pinged. If not, I'ma just sit here and scratch my head.)
TLDR: The problem is these Gospels of Deltia, Alcast, Sypher and so on. These people that the community is considering *** Jesus Christ reborn and touting their builds, their teachings as the word of God, and anyone who disagree's with these teachings is a heretic and must be burned and shunned. That's my problem. And it's relation to the raid community is only so in as how closely the Raid Community holds to one gospel or another.
@Miss_MorphineEdited by Doctordarkspawn on January 31, 2017 11:00PM1 -
Attackopsn✭✭✭✭✭Lol I definitely didn't say anything about my dps, just find it funny whenever I see someone complaining about our carry runs on these forums. Just to kind of clear that up too, for anyone else who may misinterpret how that works or even why it happens, potions used to be pretty expensive. The only way we used to afford runs was by doing carries previous to the alchemy bags in IC. So I don't know who out of the group that did these gave you the impression that we did it to flex or be cooler than others by doing it but I'll gladly inform you that was not the purpose of those, and anyone who didn't raid heavily pre IC alchemy bags won't really ever understand the potion struggle. I guess you could say we miss the core reason most people get so offended by the carries we did which seems to be people getting the skin that don't deserve it. Honestly by now, at least from my point of view and the way some others see it, a lot of people don't really see it as a big deal, and anyone hyping themselves up over having the skin is about as cool as the dude bragging about his weapon damage at the undaunted place.
PS, I personally haven't played an MMO where carry runs didn't happen, which I won't use as justification, but it's definitely not new and definitely not going away lolEdited by Attackopsn on January 31, 2017 11:54PMign: ATTACKO
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X3ina✭✭✭Just lol @Doctordarkspawn, mate xD
Any hardcore endgame pvper knows Deltia as a casual^^ (any1 who will create endgame pve dd build with engine guardian is instantly getting this kind of "title" attached)
Any hardcore endgame pvper knows Sypher as a good dueler only(with 20 ping... ofc)(pc eu so i don't care, we have our own heroes)
Alcast is known usually for his tests, he is a good person because he saves US the time ingame so we can test other things...
(and even then, when he talks about mag dk/sorc its just LOL)
The real god is "the one and only" "RNG and FOTM"
P.S. And non of them claims that their builds are BESTSW GoH > ESO4 -
austinwalter87ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I've always considered the solution to this as being to create your own guildPC and PS4 (bring back character transfers please?)
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✭✭Miss_Morphine wrote: »@raidentenshu_ESO @Ch4mpTW @Doctordarkspawn
Let me attempt to clear up some misconceptions.
Let's start with the raid makeup. It works because of division of labor. If person A is better at making product A and person B is better at making product B and they stick to only making what they are best at we will have the most overall product produced. That is why people in real life have specific jobs and why in a raid heals buff and sustain while the DPS go all out DPS. Having the ability to stay alive with lower health and manage your resources with low regeneration are skills you need to have in your skill set as a raider. In the end the raid is much more efficient.
No one at all is stopping you from playing any content in the game. You are welcomed, even encouraged to play the game however you see fit. You are 100% correct that you have paid for it and have the right to experience whatever you see fit. Most people who have replied have encouraged you to still go and play the content - anyone can go in. It is true that most if not all Maw teams have some sort of requirements. Even if you are unwilling to have to go through that you can still play the content. Make your own team. It's what a lot of people in your position have done and recommended you do. If, however, by people keeping you from the game you mean people not willing to change the way they play to suit you - you may need to reexamine the situation. Aren't you yourself unhappy that you need to change the way you play to suit them? Why would the reverse be OK?
Lastly I've explained twice now why most raids have requirements. It's usually got nothing to do with elitism. Sure, there are elitists out there. It's crummy to look down on people or separate people by skinned and not skinned. I know I personally don't think any less of anyone who hasn't completed. There are lots of awesome people who have never done maw. If you are trying to join a maw team though, experience does matter. Would you want your surgeon to have operated before or be completely green? It's why most teams have training runs - to give people said experience.
Guys, please stop demonizing the raiding community. They are people. People who work hard and are often kind and dedicated. I am a raider and have many fantastic friends and guild mates who are raiders. My team is great people. Every one of them will 9 times out of 10 go out of their way to help others. All this finger pointing is just not a great thing to do.
If this doesn't get through I honestly don't know if you are willing to listen to reason. I do sencerely wish you all the best. Despite our differences I hope you manage to enjoy the game and its content as much as possible.
With all due respect I don't need you to explain the raiders makeup to me. I'm not a beginner of raiding nor am I that ignorant. I've done all but vMOL in vet mode. I've done vSO and vHRC on hard mode. All I need to do is do vAA and that would be all for me until I start doing vMOL.
Yes people are stopping me from perusing my goals of achieving vMOL. Granted my DPS isn't all that high (Unable to get 40K that is recommended for CORE rank) because I refuse to acknowledge and pursue the cheating art of Animation cancelling. If you do research on my past post you'll clearly see that I am highly against animation cancelling. I also don't have vMA weapons so that's DPS reduction right there. I simply don't have time to get irritated over not getting the weapon that I want after doing vMA. I've read enough post on this forum to give me a strong message of staying away from it until ZOS actually fixes the RNG system in this game. It's bad enough that I'm struggling to get an inferno staff from COA for my mag DK... I can't even imagine wasting 45+ mins just to get a crappy weapon at the end to then redo it all over again.
Oh I will continue to demonizing the raiding community for as long as they keep that elite mentality. Listen I've spent a fortunate upgrading my armor and weapons. I also spent a fortune of my time grinding the same trials over and over again to get the proper weapons that I need for my set. I also spent a fortune hiring crafters to craft my gear. People suggested to me that I should grab TBS gear.... I did exactly that.
Take a look at my current set..
I have all of the qualifications to do vMOL with an exception of not having high DPS to pass the CORE (Most guilds requires you to be in to be part of the vMOL raid) DPS test.. I'm sick of tired of players like me who have to beg just do vMOL. I'm not even after the skins and the achievements. I just want the experience and the education of learning all of the mechanics in vMOL so that one day I can offer the same service to other new vMOL players.
You want me to stop demonizing the raid community? Why don't the raiding community start acting like humans and and offer players like me to have the chance to experience vMOL with other experienced players? Do your community a service by giving other players a chance, and not force them to fork over 3 or 4 million gold for a completion of the trial. Enough of this "Oh you need high CORE dps to do vMOL trials with us"3
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