I just bought 30$ worth of crowns to get some things from the store, and went with the 2 month sub option (which nets the same crowns anyways). The craft bag is huge, and changes how I play. I loot everything now and never even check my space. I only upgraded my pack on my new character as a formality. Besides that, on log in, it cleaned out my bank and freed it all up!

Only problem, I'm not sure how to access my alchemy ingredients so I can eat them?

Its made the game a lot easier for crafting especially with alts as they have access to the bag and same materials.

BmcD73 wrote: »

I know they need to make money and companies love to forecast revenues but I hope they someday change this and give it to everyone as it is a must have feature of the game.

Because you don't want to pay for their work? They offer you a game - nearly for free - and added an option to make this experience even better. You have not two but three choices (not to play at all is one). But you still complain.

The sub is not much. Most people pay way more for much more useless things each month. You want to use the bag? ...

Grileenor wrote: »

BmcD73 wrote: »

I know they need to make money and companies love to forecast revenues but I hope they someday change this and give it to everyone as it is a must have feature of the game.

Because you don't want to pay for their work? They offer you a game - nearly for free - and added an option to make this experience even better. You have not two but three choices (not to play at all is one). But you still complain.

The sub is not much. Most people pay way more for much more useless things each month. You want to use the bag? ...

This is the best part in every crafting bag thread over there. People stating unsubs just want everything for free.
Well, I actually contribute, from my unsubbed position, keeping the lights on as much as you do.
I expend in crowns probably more than how much I would by subbing (and probably more than how much you do).
The reason I'm not subbing is that I don't play every day or every week. Still this does not mean I am here ignoring keeping the servers up has its own cost.

Basically the crown bag only for subs is a poor design choice. It's a complete gamebreaking perk that gives subs an unfair advantage in every side of the game. I admint that there should be some kind of perk for subs and I would have used the merchant and banker assistants for this purpose. Assistants are usefull still not breaking any balance of the game, like the crafting bag does.

In my opinion, whoever deny that craft bag is unbalanced and unfair, is just using bad faith, neglecting a sign of bad health of the game.

Crafting bag is the only thing Zos had got right on this game so far

It's been a great addition. Definitely has made it more enjoyable personally.

But it's certainly not pay-to-win. And it's certainly not a 'must have' feature; you simply just have to prioritize what you collect/harvest/store/sell/traded/gave-away/etc. That worked fine for most of us back at launch.

What it is I think is pay-to-have-fun; something we're all doing anyways in one form or another. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Craft bag and being able to dye costumes (all my 8 characters wear one now) are what pushed me to sub and i don't think i could go back.

Yeah it makes the game easier, but it's not P2W.

If subbing allowed me to have access to a advanced tier of gear or abilities then yeah, scream 'P2W' and grab your torches and pitchforks.

But the crafting bag is one of the few advantages subbing gets. People need more reason to sub, not less. The more people sub the less **** will be featured in the CS with insane price-tags on them.

Wolfshead wrote: »

I would say change the fun factor it have made easy for me atlest to not worry about bag space anymore when i go on my farming trips

Not just for farming trips I think, but definitely this.

It doesn't make the game more fun. At all.

It makes it less annoying and saves you a bit of time having to log alts in and out and auto-suck things in and out of their inventories with the bank manager add-on.

With a big enough inventory though I don't think the differences is huge. Buy the banker or park your alts at an unpopular bank and you can do that inventory shuffle reasonably quickly.

The crafting bag completely changes inventory managament in this game. I've yet to see another MMOG (even free to play ones) where a premium subscription has such a huge impact on inventory management. You can often get additional storage or inventory slots with a subscription in other games, but the crafting bag in ESO is basically an account-wide additional bank/inventory with unlimited space and unlimited item stack size that can be accessed from anywhere at any time, and all the materials you obtain are automatically placed in there.

To be honest, I couldn't imagine playing the game without crafting bags now. Most of my characters are already at like 100/200 inventory just holding all the dropped set items from dungeons, trials, VMA, etc. that I want to keep (and I only keep the good ones with the best traits that I might eventually use for a build).

I believe it's kinda wrong though how the game without subscription now has a more cumbersome inventory system than it had at launch. Pretty much every major update since IC has introduced new materials, and at the same time, there haven't been any updates to regular inventory and bank size in a long time. There's many new style materials, the poisons system added like 30 new mats, housing will add new mats as well and require some additional inventory space, especially since completed furnishing items do not stack. So I hope for all the non-subscribers that there will be a storage upgrade that can be obtained in game (not purchased with crowns), at some point. People should be able to enjoy the base game fully without the need to subscribe, in my opinion.

Edit: But then again, looking at alternatives that would encourage people to subscribe just as much as crafting bags do, most of them would probably be unfair (like an increased chance to get drops or rare mats, for example) and wouldn't create a lasting incentive as well as crafting bags do. The bags at least don't give anyone an advantage in obtaining things (XP, loot, rare mats, or gold) faster, they just save a lot of time and hassle on inventory management.

I agree that the craft bag change drastically the gameplay and fun in the game. Forcing the player to have multiple mules, using the mail system as storage, logging on and off between characters with a long loading time, returning constantly to towns to unload your inventory, generally playing the ¨inventory minigame” it is awful. This is a game, it´s main purpose it is to provide entertainment, so the first question the developer needs to ask before implementing something is ¨Is it fun?”. If the answer is no, then you change it.
The craft bag is a way of profiting from active players by making inventory a bore to manage. But how many people are not playing because they consider it tedious?. How many more players would be active if this was implemented for everyone?.
I know people will say "But ZOS need to make money!!!!!".
Sure. But not charging monthly for a fix to a bad gameplay mechanic. This is like paying monthly for a patch.
GW2 had craft bags since the beginning and it is still active. They can sell a thousand cosmetic items on the Store to make money, but fixes for boring gameplay mechanics should be free, otherwise they are just decreasing their player base, which does decrease the potential income of the game.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

GaldorP wrote: »

The crafting bag completely changes inventory managament in this game. I've yet to see another MMOG (even free to play ones) where a premium subscription has such a huge impact on inventory management. You can often get additional storage or inventory slots with a subscription in other games, but the crafting bag in ESO is basically an account-wide additional bank/inventory with unlimited space and unlimited item stack size that can be accessed from anywhere at any time, and all the materials you obtain are automatically placed in there.

^ This.

Having returned to ESO in December and subbed for three months the impact the Craft Bag has had on how I play the game has been so significant that I simply can not envision how it would be possible for to go back to playing without it.

Now, that is a two edged sword for Zeni. Because for as long as I can afford a Sub I will continue to Sub because that Craft Bag is now integral to my enjoyment of the game. The flip side of that is if it ever gets to a point where I can't justify the Sub playing F2P is now not an option. Maybe Zeni need to consider a Crown Store Unlock for the Craft Bag - even if thy choose to limit to prior subscribers who have paid for the benefit of the Craft Bag.

All The Best

If you choose to stop subbing, create a single mule (or two) that you exclusively send crafting materials to. You can still drain your current crafting bag and when you choose to resub, all those materials on your mule will be transferred to your bag.

I imagine it would take me several months to drain anything completely from my crafting bag at this point.

The craft bag has improved my enjoyment of the game, because I don't feel that pressure choose between gathering craft materials and leaving space for any loot. I probably would have given up on crafting if I didn't have the bag - which is a shame because I really enjoy it. And I don't think its P2W at all - crafting is hardly a big money maker or advantage in this game as it stands now.

I wont play the game what requaired 30% ingame time for inventory manipulations. And ZoS adding more and more crafting trash.