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Crown price ranges are realistic or crazy for unfurnished houses?
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Other....wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »AlexDresden87 wrote: »I find all of those who placed a vote for "Too High" a little absured. Then again that is my personal belief. I'm speaking from experience of playing other games that charge compared to this game. To me the cost of the manor for example far cheaper than what I expected ($100-$200 worth of crowns). I say this because if your looking at this game as just for pricing stand point compared to lets say Warcraft. This game is asking hardly much. I used to play warcraft and I had purchased a special mount in the game that costed almost $30. And here, you can practically own a decent size house for a single player that can do whatever the hell they want with it for just about the same price....
WoW also has account wide skin changes (not just the costumes but armor as well) , exp gear which last forever to basically hit max level, being able to purchase your sub in game with in game currency (p2w imo).
Sure they differ alot but I believe WoW has many more features atm than ESO does though.
I wonder why. Not because it's been out for 12 years as compared to 3, surely?
Or maybe perhaps they listened to the community more as well, not sure.
Perhaps we're both right. They listened to their community for 12 years rather than for 3 years
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Well at the given rate, ESO won't survive that long tbh if they don't do something.
I see no evidence of the game falling in popularity, on the contrary it becomes more populated with each update and I can only see that trend continuing with the housing update.
Well take a look at Swtor for example, ever since the CM came out tons of people flocked back to the game, yet 6 months later the game was a ghost town again, and has been for the past 2-3 years.
Really? Perhaps in NA, I wouldn't know. I still play in the EU and don't see it as a ghost town. However, I'll judge the success of this game by how well populated it is rather than by how well populated other games are.
Just saying its going the same route as Swtor is, so not looking to good atm
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that, given that we aren't in agreement on the state of SWTOR let alone the direction ESO is going in and its rising popularity notwithstanding all the doomsayers and gloom-mongers, quite apart from the entitlement brigade who want all the best stuff for next to nothing.
Its still a buy to play with a nearly necessary sub, so its not entitlement. Its one thing if the game was made as a free to play game from jump street. It wasnt. We critics said EXACTLY what was going to happen with this game and we have been correct at nearly every turn. Other than it went F2P a few months earlier than we predicted.
We said it would release as sub, milk money from people who wanted that next big thing game and then after a year or so go F2P. Well they didnt go full free to play but they went buy to play (with a fire sale price) about 9 months after release.
The the crown store comes in and it has gotten more and more ridiculous with no rhyme or reasoning to prices. I have said that when you give currency away as a sub incentive it will affect prices somewhat but there still should be some scale to HOW they price things. 4K for some mounts, 6k for motifs, 400 for cups and saucers and plates? Absolutely zero correlation as to why those prices are what they are and why some things are 1500 or 500.
Storage is the end all be all in most MMOs, and ZoS was very smart putting the crafting bag (the number one reason why people dont have bag space to begin with) behind a sub wall. So its a catch 22 they can sell more 'permanent' storage space and negate the need for people to sub or they can continue to 'rent' the unlimited bag. One obviously has a much larger upside to their bottom line. even if they sold 100 slots for 100 dollars it would still be cheaper (in the long run) for people to buy that and stop subbing, especially if the major reason they were subbing in the first place was that crafting bag, which is more than likely is for most people. Add in the outrageous price of storage upgrades in terms of in game gold and that make storage even more precious. But thats why they sell 10 slots for 1000 crowns I suppose.
Now theyre adding furniture and more crafting 'crap' which is going to diminish space even more, especially if youre not a sub and dont have the craft bag.
Storage or lack thereof I am sure is the biggest complaint people have with this game, and is probably a reason why so many stop playing altogether. You grind (with limited space) to sell crap to buy more space and its a never ending cycle. And even then you still have what 200 max personal bag space? And you have to upgrade it on each and every toon. Thats why the craft bag is so 'valuable' its bottomless and its shared.
In the end you have to look at all this from an OBJECTIVE point of view not as a fan or a critic. What is a 'normal' person going to think of it. Fans will pay just about anything until they wont, then theyre critics and pissed off and then they wont pay at all. The scorched earth approach has never worked for any game. Sure it might keep one that is on life support going for a little while longer but it surely wont make it grow, get old players back, or attract new people.
I know got a little off topic there but it all stems from the same argument.
Have you played almost any other game lately? Eso actually has a ton of storage compared to other MMO. Especially if we are going to compare eso as a free 2 play which you seem to be implying it is.
Go make a list of mmo with more storage that is cheaper. I bet there are way more games with way less storage that will cost you a lot more.
So if we are going to call this game f2p, then it is the best f2p mmo out.
Sorry the end is not near. Also do you really believe they have no reasoning on how they price things?
Saying there is limited storage compared to other games is inaccurate. Also if someone is that worried about it then stop being cheap and sub.
I believe Swtor has more storage available than Eso does, 50 characters per server with 480 storage + another 80 for inventory, also a Legacy storage for the legacy on each server which holds another 480 storage. You can buy all these unlocks as account unlocks which were cheap as heck when they first came out, believe I spent about 15m total or so to unlock all the account unlocks.
Also all resources stack to 1k each stack now I believe (not infinite, but one character is sufficient to hold all your mats or leave in the legacy storage.)
Also from my pov 15m in Swtor is like 300k here or so?Edited by Cpt_Teemo on January 30, 2017 5:02AM1 -
Shadowshire✭✭✭✭Too high...The following chart is composed from
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zjp0byRyjqQAopZhcWqConJsQiVZQQqH4fxo22qxJc8/edit#gid=1635006768
on January 28 (2017):
_____ Announced _______________
Apartments ........ 1,000 Crowns
Small ...... 3,000 - 4,000 Crowns
Medium .. 5,000 - 6,500 Crowns
Large ...... 7,500 - 8,500 Crowns
Manor ......... 10,000+ .. Crowns
FWIW, I had the impression that these prices were for furnished Homesteads. During all of the PTS previews for Notable Houses, the unfurnished prices were quoted in Gold Pieces, and the furnished prices were quoted as "1 Crown" (with the caveat that it would not be the eventual "live" Crown cost, of course). I bought the Strident Springs Demesne just to see which furnishings were included. So that expressly implied that if a player was willing to buy a Homestead with Crowns, then it would be significantly furnished, as it was in the PTS preview.
It seems that whether Homesteads bought with Crowns will be furnished or unfurnished is unclear. Perhaps yet another set of Crown price ranges will be announced for furnished/unfurnished Homesteads.
Also, the "ESO Live" announcement did not disclose any Crown prices for the two so-called "custom homes", and it remains unclear as to why ZOS has described them with that phrase. Perhaps the prospective buyer will be able to choose among several options with regard to the features that such a Homestead will have.
Edited by Shadowshire on January 30, 2017 8:10AM--- Shadowshire .......... ESO Plus on PC NA with Windows 7 Pro SP1
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✭✭✭Too high...Well depends. I think it is to high, but compared to the Dromah-something motif it is a bargin٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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Hammy01✭✭✭✭✭Honestly i have no idea what ZOS is doing because their crown store prices are all over the place. Based on recent prices of crown store items i am surprised that the houses are priced this low. However i personally think they are still to high and if ZOS was smart about it they would lower the prices so maybe a large unfurnised house was 5k crowns. I would imagine a lot more people would open up their wallets to buy a large crown pack for if that would be enough fully purchase a large house. It is after all just digital content that has already been made and since it has already been created there is no extra cost to ZOS. They would be better off trying to sell 250,000 large houses at 5k crowns than 50,000 at 8k crowns. This example is just for the large houses but the same can be said for the other sizes..... If you lower the prices ZOS then you will sell more!!!0 -
Digiman✭✭✭✭✭Too high...10,000 is rather ridiculous especially considering you would be dropping $100 for a virtual vanity item.
There is no real rush to get the item either so I can wait if it goes on sale or use the crowns I acrew from my subscription5 -
Digiman✭✭✭✭✭Too high...Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Are these speculative? Where is the source that these are the prices?
They stated it wasn't final but ESO live they gave out rough numbers. My guess is they did it to test the waters of the community to see how far they can get.1 -
Other....I dont think, that the crown-prices are to high. I think that the gold-prices are to low. A large house/manor should be something special but with1kk/3.5kk everyone can aford one if they farm a month, and everyone that plays longer has that amount of money0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Other....derStreuner wrote: »I dont think, that the crown-prices are to high. I think that the gold-prices are to low. A large house/manor should be something special but with1kk/3.5kk everyone can aford one if they farm a month, and everyone that plays longer has that amount of money
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Digiman✭✭✭✭✭Too high...Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »AlexDresden87 wrote: »I find all of those who placed a vote for "Too High" a little absured. Then again that is my personal belief. I'm speaking from experience of playing other games that charge compared to this game. To me the cost of the manor for example far cheaper than what I expected ($100-$200 worth of crowns). I say this because if your looking at this game as just for pricing stand point compared to lets say Warcraft. This game is asking hardly much. I used to play warcraft and I had purchased a special mount in the game that costed almost $30. And here, you can practically own a decent size house for a single player that can do whatever the hell they want with it for just about the same price....
WoW also has account wide skin changes (not just the costumes but armor as well) , exp gear which last forever to basically hit max level, being able to purchase your sub in game with in game currency (p2w imo).
Sure they differ alot but I believe WoW has many more features atm than ESO does though.
I wonder why. Not because it's been out for 12 years as compared to 3, surely?
Or maybe perhaps they listened to the community more as well, not sure.
Perhaps we're both right. They listened to their community for 12 years rather than for 3 years ?
Well at the given rate, ESO won't survive that long tbh if they don't do something.
I see no evidence of the game falling in popularity, on the contrary it becomes more populated with each update and I can only see that trend continuing with the housing update.
Well take a look at Swtor for example, ever since the CM came out tons of people flocked back to the game, yet 6 months later the game was a ghost town again, and has been for the past 2-3 years.
Really? Perhaps in NA, I wouldn't know. I still play in the EU and don't see it as a ghost town. However, I'll judge the success of this game by how well populated it is rather than by how well populated other games are.
Just saying its going the same route as Swtor is, so not looking to good atm
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that, given that we aren't in agreement on the state of SWTOR let alone the direction ESO is going in and its rising popularity notwithstanding all the doomsayers and gloom-mongers, quite apart from the entitlement brigade who want all the best stuff for next to nothing.
Its still a buy to play with a nearly necessary sub, so its not entitlement. Its one thing if the game was made as a free to play game from jump street. It wasnt. We critics said EXACTLY what was going to happen with this game and we have been correct at nearly every turn. Other than it went F2P a few months earlier than we predicted.
We said it would release as sub, milk money from people who wanted that next big thing game and then after a year or so go F2P. Well they didnt go full free to play but they went buy to play (with a fire sale price) about 9 months after release.
The the crown store comes in and it has gotten more and more ridiculous with no rhyme or reasoning to prices. I have said that when you give currency away as a sub incentive it will affect prices somewhat but there still should be some scale to HOW they price things. 4K for some mounts, 6k for motifs, 400 for cups and saucers and plates? Absolutely zero correlation as to why those prices are what they are and why some things are 1500 or 500.
Storage is the end all be all in most MMOs, and ZoS was very smart putting the crafting bag (the number one reason why people dont have bag space to begin with) behind a sub wall. So its a catch 22 they can sell more 'permanent' storage space and negate the need for people to sub or they can continue to 'rent' the unlimited bag. One obviously has a much larger upside to their bottom line. even if they sold 100 slots for 100 dollars it would still be cheaper (in the long run) for people to buy that and stop subbing, especially if the major reason they were subbing in the first place was that crafting bag, which is more than likely is for most people. Add in the outrageous price of storage upgrades in terms of in game gold and that make storage even more precious. But thats why they sell 10 slots for 1000 crowns I suppose.
Now theyre adding furniture and more crafting 'crap' which is going to diminish space even more, especially if youre not a sub and dont have the craft bag.
Storage or lack thereof I am sure is the biggest complaint people have with this game, and is probably a reason why so many stop playing altogether. You grind (with limited space) to sell crap to buy more space and its a never ending cycle. And even then you still have what 200 max personal bag space? And you have to upgrade it on each and every toon. Thats why the craft bag is so 'valuable' its bottomless and its shared.
In the end you have to look at all this from an OBJECTIVE point of view not as a fan or a critic. What is a 'normal' person going to think of it. Fans will pay just about anything until they wont, then theyre critics and pissed off and then they wont pay at all. The scorched earth approach has never worked for any game. Sure it might keep one that is on life support going for a little while longer but it surely wont make it grow, get old players back, or attract new people.
I know got a little off topic there but it all stems from the same argument.
Have you played almost any other game lately? Eso actually has a ton of storage compared to other MMO. Especially if we are going to compare eso as a free 2 play which you seem to be implying it is.
Go make a list of mmo with more storage that is cheaper. I bet there are way more games with way less storage that will cost you a lot more.
So if we are going to call this game f2p, then it is the best f2p mmo out.
Sorry the end is not near. Also do you really believe they have no reasoning on how they price things?
Saying there is limited storage compared to other games is inaccurate. Also if someone is that worried about it then stop being cheap and sub.
I believe Swtor has more storage available than Eso does, 50 characters per server with 480 storage + another 80 for inventory, also a Legacy storage for the legacy on each server which holds another 480 storage. You can buy all these unlocks as account unlocks which were cheap as heck when they first came out, believe I spent about 15m total or so to unlock all the account unlocks.
Also all resources stack to 1k each stack now I believe (not infinite, but one character is sufficient to hold all your mats or leave in the legacy storage.)
Also from my pov 15m in Swtor is like 300k here or so?
SWTOR is a free to play that requires a subscription to play without restrictions, its not a really good system to compare too.1 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Too high...Fishoscandi wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Fishoscandi wrote: »I was honestly surprised. I was expecting 8k for the small homes. 'Surprise' isn't for surprised that they are higher than I expected?
@Fishoscandi
You expected a small unfurnished house to be over $50 in real money?
A small cosmetic item on 4 legs costing almost $50? Yes, I expected a small unfurnished house to cost over $50. Also, sorry if I didn't get the crown packs' prices correctly as I pay for them in €. I try to not jump on the greedy ZOS train a lot but lately I kind of had to.
You expected small homes to cost over $50!
Well let's see here.
Going with the best value Crown package (5500 Crowns for $39.99) this would set the price of Small home with your expectation at 6877 Crowns -_-
When we proportionally compare manors with your price expectation for small homes, we reach the cost of 22,184 Crowns for unfurnished Manors, assuming that they don't rise above the current 10K Crown mark mentioned on ESO Live.
You are saying that unfurnished small homes should cost $50+ and unfurnished manors should cost $161+.
That makes no sense at all.6 -
Six0✭Other....It's been worked out that a fully furnished manor has around 60,000 crowns worth of furnishing in them, if you were to buy each item individually from the crown store, I don't know how people expected ZO$ to actually give them a furnished one for 10,000. Then again It's quite clear they don't actually use any real system or formula to price items in the crown store, I mean just look at the house prices:
- 3.7m gold manor is "worth" 10k crowns
- 1.3m large for 8.5k
- 335k medium for 6.5k
- 73k small for 4k
Not all of us fall for these marketing ploys, I understand that zenimax is a business and at the end of the day that what's going to come first but when a business tries to come off as innocent or naive as to what they are doing; that is when it gets insulting to consumer.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SensibleShadowshire wrote: »
It seems that whether Homesteads bought with Crowns will be furnished or unfurnished is unclear. Perhaps yet another set of Crown price ranges will be announced for furnished/unfurnished Homesteads.
There's nothing unclear here.
Ingame gold will only allow to purchase unfurnished houses.
Crowns will allow to purchase unfurnished as well as furnished houses.
The prices revealed in ESO live are for unfurnished houses.
The Crown prices of furnished houses as well as prices for Topal Island and Craglorn cavern (both furnished and unfurnished) are still unknown.Shadowshire wrote: »
Also, the "ESO Live" announcement did not disclose any Crown prices for the two so-called "custom homes", and it remains unclear as to why ZOS has described them with that phrase. Perhaps the prospective buyer will be able to choose among several options with regard to the features that such a Homestead will have.
I don't think so. I think they called it "custom homes" because they're specifically designed as player housing - whereas all other homes are more or less copies of buildings already available in the game.
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✭✭Too high...Being honest, I am shocked that 29% of people think its a reasonable price to pay 6-10K crowns for an unfurnished large house. In Euro that's roughly 50 to 100 bucks!!!! ..... for a vanilla house with no functionality?!?!?
I'm just baffled!!
A new game costs about 50-60 bucks to buy. The ESO mega DLC pack is €35, so how could it be reasonable to charge €50-100 for a non-functional, minimally interactive, vanilla house??
If it came fully furnished, including all craft stations and the skeleton, then I would consider maybe €50 but as the prices stand currently, I will NOT be engaging at all with this Homestead update until the hype wears off and the prices become more reasonable.
I have no issue with crown store purchases because I appreciate that developers need to fund the game somehow, and to anybody who feels that they are willing to shell out this amount of real cash for this option, I commend you for supporting the game but for me personally, I think the price/value point for this feature is stupendously off the mark.All my housing builds are available on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf3oJ_cxuu01HmWZJZ6KK6g?view_as=subscriber
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Nacacia✭SensibleIf the crown prices are correct, the prices are in parity with the cartel coin costs of fully unlocked strongholds in SWTOR or mithral coins for premium housing in LOTRO. Those are the only two games with housing I play at the moment, so can't speak to any others.
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theslynx✭✭✭Too high...So $30 for a small home, $40 for a medium home and $65 for a large home. All unfurnished. With no gameplay benefits.
Yikes.
For comparison, you can get Skyrim for less than the price of a small home, or ESO Gold Edition for an expensive medium house. For a manor, you could buy the entire Elder Scrolls series and have sufficient funds left over for another game.
I was expecting them to be overpriced, but this takes it to another level. People will do what they want with their money, but I can't imagine buying any of these at such prices. I have some crowns saved up and would honestly rather they went to waste than functioned as implicit endorsements for such vulgar flimflam.6 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If the crown prices are correct, the prices are in parity with the cartel coin costs of fully unlocked strongholds in SWTOR or mithral coins for premium housing in LOTRO. Those are the only two games with housing I play at the moment, so can't speak to any others.
Well, considering the person who has been hired to do the monetizing, it really isn't that hard to see where its coming from.
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✭SensibleShadowshire wrote: »It seems that whether Homesteads bought with Crowns will be furnished or unfurnished is unclear.
Unless I'm missing something, the policy since initial announcement has always been "Buy it unfurnished with in-game gold, or choose to buy either furnished or unfurnished with Crowns."
On the PTS, I bought an unfurnished manor with Crowns, so that is absolutely an option, I think it just defaults to the furnished version or something? But yeah, as far as I'm aware, this has never been unclear.Living vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Surprised....Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Are these speculative? Where is the source that these are the prices?
They stated it wasn't final but ESO live they gave out rough numbers. My guess is they did it to test the waters of the community to see how far they can get.
While they might be smart to do that (test the waters), I get the impression that someone with access to a spreadsheet, financial numbers, management expectations, and player data sets the prices. Once that is done and announced, the price is the price it will be, no matter what players in the forum think of the announced prices. Now, they could be using our responses during the finalization of the furnished houses, either tuning it up or down from where they think they want it.
My guess is that furnished houses will add around 50% of the Crown furnishings value to the price of the property. (Edit: It is also possible that they will ignore the cost of the property and just charge ~50% of the furniture cost)
My thought is that if someone has to ask what the furnished houses (large->manor) cost, they cannot afford it.
SWTOR is a free to play that requires a subscription to play without restrictions, its not a really good system to compare too.
Similar can be said for many games. That has not stopped anyone, yet.
Edited by Elsonso on January 30, 2017 3:03PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭SensibleKyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
I think paying the extra for imax 3d movies in the theaters is about right .
my friend really disagrees and goes to see them at second run for a fraction of that.
But he doesn't in anyway make the illogical jump from that to "so you should go see every 3d imax movie they make."
it makes no sense - a doesn't follow from b.
Just because i think a gallon of milk i want to buy is a fair price doesn't mean i should buy all the gallons of milk there are or that doing so would be no problem?
Who thinks this way? How does this leap make sense?
Well just thought that was what he was aiming for, he claims its cheap so therefore why not buy more than 1?
No it was an attempt to degrade him for his opinion.
You only see your side, your opinion. Some have other opinions and that is life. You are very much entitled to your opinion as is he. This whole argument is pointless because value is very subjective in nature. If someone sees hours of fun in buying a manor with crowns, how is that wrong? If someone doesn't see hours of fun in it, how are they wrong? It makes no difference what other see or dont see value in housing.
The refusal of people to accept another's opinion is a problem. We see it everyday in the news, when protests or marches turn into riots and destruction. We used to accept others opinions without resorting to child like behavior, somewhere we have lost that ability. We now resort to calling people names and hurling insults at them because they simply don't agree with us. This is a problem that doesn't help solve anything, just creates a great divide, an us and them mentality.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Too high...Stopnaggin wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
I think paying the extra for imax 3d movies in the theaters is about right .
my friend really disagrees and goes to see them at second run for a fraction of that.
But he doesn't in anyway make the illogical jump from that to "so you should go see every 3d imax movie they make."
it makes no sense - a doesn't follow from b.
Just because i think a gallon of milk i want to buy is a fair price doesn't mean i should buy all the gallons of milk there are or that doing so would be no problem?
Who thinks this way? How does this leap make sense?
Well just thought that was what he was aiming for, he claims its cheap so therefore why not buy more than 1?
No it was an attempt to degrade him for his opinion.
You only see your side, your opinion. Some have other opinions and that is life. You are very much entitled to your opinion as is he. This whole argument is pointless because value is very subjective in nature. If someone sees hours of fun in buying a manor with crowns, how is that wrong? If someone doesn't see hours of fun in it, how are they wrong? It makes no difference what other see or dont see value in housing.
The refusal of people to accept another's opinion is a problem. We see it everyday in the news, when protests or marches turn into riots and destruction. We used to accept others opinions without resorting to child like behavior, somewhere we have lost that ability. We now resort to calling people names and hurling insults at them because they simply don't agree with us. This is a problem that doesn't help solve anything, just creates a great divide, an us and them mentality.
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✭Too high...This system is rough and untested. It will be full of bugs for months. They will release additional cooler homes down the road. To stay a happy player, just get what you can with in game gold so you don't feel ripped off later.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!3 -
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✭✭✭Other....Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »AlexDresden87 wrote: »I find all of those who placed a vote for "Too High" a little absured. Then again that is my personal belief. I'm speaking from experience of playing other games that charge compared to this game. To me the cost of the manor for example far cheaper than what I expected ($100-$200 worth of crowns). I say this because if your looking at this game as just for pricing stand point compared to lets say Warcraft. This game is asking hardly much. I used to play warcraft and I had purchased a special mount in the game that costed almost $30. And here, you can practically own a decent size house for a single player that can do whatever the hell they want with it for just about the same price....
WoW also has account wide skin changes (not just the costumes but armor as well) , exp gear which last forever to basically hit max level, being able to purchase your sub in game with in game currency (p2w imo).
Sure they differ alot but I believe WoW has many more features atm than ESO does though.
I wonder why. Not because it's been out for 12 years as compared to 3, surely?
Or maybe perhaps they listened to the community more as well, not sure.
Perhaps we're both right. They listened to their community for 12 years rather than for 3 years ?
Well at the given rate, ESO won't survive that long tbh if they don't do something.
I see no evidence of the game falling in popularity, on the contrary it becomes more populated with each update and I can only see that trend continuing with the housing update.
Well take a look at Swtor for example, ever since the CM came out tons of people flocked back to the game, yet 6 months later the game was a ghost town again, and has been for the past 2-3 years.
Really? Perhaps in NA, I wouldn't know. I still play in the EU and don't see it as a ghost town. However, I'll judge the success of this game by how well populated it is rather than by how well populated other games are.
Just saying its going the same route as Swtor is, so not looking to good atm
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that, given that we aren't in agreement on the state of SWTOR let alone the direction ESO is going in and its rising popularity notwithstanding all the doomsayers and gloom-mongers, quite apart from the entitlement brigade who want all the best stuff for next to nothing.
Its still a buy to play with a nearly necessary sub, so its not entitlement. Its one thing if the game was made as a free to play game from jump street. It wasnt. We critics said EXACTLY what was going to happen with this game and we have been correct at nearly every turn. Other than it went F2P a few months earlier than we predicted.
We said it would release as sub, milk money from people who wanted that next big thing game and then after a year or so go F2P. Well they didnt go full free to play but they went buy to play (with a fire sale price) about 9 months after release.
The the crown store comes in and it has gotten more and more ridiculous with no rhyme or reasoning to prices. I have said that when you give currency away as a sub incentive it will affect prices somewhat but there still should be some scale to HOW they price things. 4K for some mounts, 6k for motifs, 400 for cups and saucers and plates? Absolutely zero correlation as to why those prices are what they are and why some things are 1500 or 500.
Storage is the end all be all in most MMOs, and ZoS was very smart putting the crafting bag (the number one reason why people dont have bag space to begin with) behind a sub wall. So its a catch 22 they can sell more 'permanent' storage space and negate the need for people to sub or they can continue to 'rent' the unlimited bag. One obviously has a much larger upside to their bottom line. even if they sold 100 slots for 100 dollars it would still be cheaper (in the long run) for people to buy that and stop subbing, especially if the major reason they were subbing in the first place was that crafting bag, which is more than likely is for most people. Add in the outrageous price of storage upgrades in terms of in game gold and that make storage even more precious. But thats why they sell 10 slots for 1000 crowns I suppose.
Now theyre adding furniture and more crafting 'crap' which is going to diminish space even more, especially if youre not a sub and dont have the craft bag.
Storage or lack thereof I am sure is the biggest complaint people have with this game, and is probably a reason why so many stop playing altogether. You grind (with limited space) to sell crap to buy more space and its a never ending cycle. And even then you still have what 200 max personal bag space? And you have to upgrade it on each and every toon. Thats why the craft bag is so 'valuable' its bottomless and its shared.
In the end you have to look at all this from an OBJECTIVE point of view not as a fan or a critic. What is a 'normal' person going to think of it. Fans will pay just about anything until they wont, then theyre critics and pissed off and then they wont pay at all. The scorched earth approach has never worked for any game. Sure it might keep one that is on life support going for a little while longer but it surely wont make it grow, get old players back, or attract new people.
I know got a little off topic there but it all stems from the same argument.
Have you played almost any other game lately? Eso actually has a ton of storage compared to other MMO. Especially if we are going to compare eso as a free 2 play which you seem to be implying it is.
Go make a list of mmo with more storage that is cheaper. I bet there are way more games with way less storage that will cost you a lot more.
So if we are going to call this game f2p, then it is the best f2p mmo out.
Sorry the end is not near. Also do you really believe they have no reasoning on how they price things?
Saying there is limited storage compared to other games is inaccurate. Also if someone is that worried about it then stop being cheap and sub.
I believe Swtor has more storage available than Eso does, 50 characters per server with 480 storage + another 80 for inventory, also a Legacy storage for the legacy on each server which holds another 480 storage. You can buy all these unlocks as account unlocks which were cheap as heck when they first came out, believe I spent about 15m total or so to unlock all the account unlocks.
Also all resources stack to 1k each stack now I believe (not infinite, but one character is sufficient to hold all your mats or leave in the legacy storage.)
Also from my pov 15m in Swtor is like 300k here or so?
SWTOR is a free to play that requires a subscription to play without restrictions, its not a really good system to compare too.
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Blkadr✭✭✭✭Too high...I think crown prices are ridiculous. But the gold prices are pretty reasonable for the smaller houses. The small one I like (Arbor something?) I think is 73K gold. And it has a yard. That's like maybe a week of playing. If that.4 -
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✭SensibleI think it's expected that ZOS offer the homestead system as an incentive for people to do grinding stuff in the next three months, and not set the crown price to encourage many to purchase all they want on day one.
What ZOS 'wants it to be to the players' is entirely, completely irrelevant. If ZOS wants to make money, and wants to have happy players, they will give the players what they want. Gaming studios that do that sort of top-down design - "let's design based on what we want them to do rather than what they want" is a failure. A diorama system that has zero in-game utility to players, that is only accessible via obscene grind or exorbitant expenditure of in-game or IRL cash is madness. Until they offer us:- Housing storage of some kind
- Ability to re-sell or upgrade to better properties as we 'progress' in housing
- A reasonable path to basic furnishings that doesn't involve months of grind
- Interactivity beyond lighting candles and sitting in 1/100 chairs available
They are failing to provide the bare minimum of what any reasonable person could expect from a housing system.
Get this straight, people - we're not complaining about the prices - we are complaining about the value proposition we're being presented with.
Value is again subjective, a reasonable person would expect that what I value is no what you value. Would storage be nice? Absolutely, will it be added? Who knows. As far as value, I see value in 10k crowns. Why?, because I have them sitting there and I like to craft. So I will buy manor and decorate to my taste. Is this the same for everyone? Nope, some people enjoy playing the market, some role playing and some running dungeons and trial for leader boards. Not one of those is wrong. It is what they enjoy, and that is where they find the value in the game.
The only thing wrong in this thread is assuming that everyone shares your opinions, and when they don't they are idiots, unreasonable, stupid, whales, ignorant or any other myriad of names. This applies to both sides of the argument. We all find value in different things in the game and that is quite all right.2 -
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✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Well depends. I think it is to high, but compared to the Dromah-something motif it is a bargin
And probably no coincidence either that the motif was priced as it was.2 -
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✭✭✭SensibleStopnaggin wrote: »I think it's expected that ZOS offer the homestead system as an incentive for people to do grinding stuff in the next three months, and not set the crown price to encourage many to purchase all they want on day one.
What ZOS 'wants it to be to the players' is entirely, completely irrelevant. If ZOS wants to make money, and wants to have happy players, they will give the players what they want. Gaming studios that do that sort of top-down design - "let's design based on what we want them to do rather than what they want" is a failure. A diorama system that has zero in-game utility to players, that is only accessible via obscene grind or exorbitant expenditure of in-game or IRL cash is madness. Until they offer us:- Housing storage of some kind
- Ability to re-sell or upgrade to better properties as we 'progress' in housing
- A reasonable path to basic furnishings that doesn't involve months of grind
- Interactivity beyond lighting candles and sitting in 1/100 chairs available
They are failing to provide the bare minimum of what any reasonable person could expect from a housing system.
Get this straight, people - we're not complaining about the prices - we are complaining about the value proposition we're being presented with.
Value is again subjective, a reasonable person would expect that what I value is no what you value. Would storage be nice? Absolutely, will it be added? Who knows. As far as value, I see value in 10k crowns. Why?, because I have them sitting there and I like to craft. So I will buy manor and decorate to my taste. Is this the same for everyone? Nope, some people enjoy playing the market, some role playing and some running dungeons and trial for leader boards. Not one of those is wrong. It is what they enjoy, and that is where they find the value in the game.
The only thing wrong in this thread is assuming that everyone shares your opinions, and when they don't they are idiots, unreasonable, stupid, whales, ignorant or any other myriad of names. This applies to both sides of the argument. We all find value in different things in the game and that is quite all right.
Different people have different tastes and preferences.
Some folks are gonna look at housing as a game within itself and spend lotsa play time on their purchases, decor etc. Just like some folks play the game for marketing, some play it for trials, some play it for pvp, some play it for rpg, etc.
ZoS on day one if offering up a fairly large set of systems with a lot of depth with only a little bit of it (DPS dummy, crafting stations, attuned stations) that has a broader appeal but with promises of more to come. i see a lot of folks with interest in what this new addition has to offer now, what it can add later but also see a lot who wont see much value in it.
i again come back to the Argonian DLC.
It was a cheaper DLC that added two group dungeons. those took a lot of work. Those and the balance stuff were like the only stuff from that update IIRC.
it cost a modest amount.
It wasn't adding new stuff for everyone.
i was one who got nothing from those dungeons - dont run groups, not my thing. No biggie. I sub so i can run them but i wasn't negative about the DLC.
In this update, for free, housing is the major added system and mostly its just about getting the core housing systems in place. more to come later. Every player can get into it for free if they choose - unlike the hist DLCs where no dungeon if no cash/sub.
More broad game functions will come later for housing. Just didn't make the release.
Players will look at their options and their interests and choose from the many different paths to get what they want.
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✭SensibleStopnaggin wrote: »I think it's expected that ZOS offer the homestead system as an incentive for people to do grinding stuff in the next three months, and not set the crown price to encourage many to purchase all they want on day one.
What ZOS 'wants it to be to the players' is entirely, completely irrelevant. If ZOS wants to make money, and wants to have happy players, they will give the players what they want. Gaming studios that do that sort of top-down design - "let's design based on what we want them to do rather than what they want" is a failure. A diorama system that has zero in-game utility to players, that is only accessible via obscene grind or exorbitant expenditure of in-game or IRL cash is madness. Until they offer us:- Housing storage of some kind
- Ability to re-sell or upgrade to better properties as we 'progress' in housing
- A reasonable path to basic furnishings that doesn't involve months of grind
- Interactivity beyond lighting candles and sitting in 1/100 chairs available
They are failing to provide the bare minimum of what any reasonable person could expect from a housing system.
Get this straight, people - we're not complaining about the prices - we are complaining about the value proposition we're being presented with.
Value is again subjective, a reasonable person would expect that what I value is no what you value. Would storage be nice? Absolutely, will it be added? Who knows. As far as value, I see value in 10k crowns. Why?, because I have them sitting there and I like to craft. So I will buy manor and decorate to my taste. Is this the same for everyone? Nope, some people enjoy playing the market, some role playing and some running dungeons and trial for leader boards. Not one of those is wrong. It is what they enjoy, and that is where they find the value in the game.
The only thing wrong in this thread is assuming that everyone shares your opinions, and when they don't they are idiots, unreasonable, stupid, whales, ignorant or any other myriad of names. This applies to both sides of the argument. We all find value in different things in the game and that is quite all right.
Different people have different tastes and preferences.
Some folks are gonna look at housing as a game within itself and spend lotsa play time on their purchases, decor etc. Just like some folks play the game for marketing, some play it for trials, some play it for pvp, some play it for rpg, etc.
ZoS on day one if offering up a fairly large set of systems with a lot of depth with only a little bit of it (DPS dummy, crafting stations, attuned stations) that has a broader appeal but with promises of more to come. i see a lot of folks with interest in what this new addition has to offer now, what it can add later but also see a lot who wont see much value in it.
i again come back to the Argonian DLC.
It was a cheaper DLC that added two group dungeons. those took a lot of work. Those and the balance stuff were like the only stuff from that update IIRC.
it cost a modest amount.
It wasn't adding new stuff for everyone.
i was one who got nothing from those dungeons - dont run groups, not my thing. No biggie. I sub so i can run them but i wasn't negative about the DLC.
In this update, for free, housing is the major added system and mostly its just about getting the core housing systems in place. more to come later. Every player can get into it for free if they choose - unlike the hist DLCs where no dungeon if no cash/sub.
More broad game functions will come later for housing. Just didn't make the release.
Players will look at their options and their interests and choose from the many different paths to get what they want.
I agree, Shadows was ok, DB and TG were so so. But that's just my opinion. I can understand why prices are what they are. Everything that has an ingame equivalent is higher price in the crown store. Whether it's mounts, bank/bag space, housing, motifs etc. While you see lower prices for non ingame items such as hair styles, potions, xp scrolls.
As far as dlc being sold for less, well honestly dlc has a shelf life. Haven't been back to DB or TG since about a month after release. Getting people to buy content at a reasonable price is good for the company, whereas housing can be bought with either. Which goes back to ingame items vs cs exclusive. I could be wrong but maybe they price ingame items high as to not diminish the efforts of those who farmed or played long hours to gain what they have, ie motifs and gold. Just an opinion though, as we will probably never really know.0 -
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✭✭SensibleKyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
There are only two that are CS exclusive currently and they give the same amount of space as the Manors which can be bought with gold. Whether or not you believe they are the best is just personal opinion.1 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭Some people will buy the crown homes, we know this. I personally cannot fathom why, no storage, no in game benefit, no one is even particularly aware of your home as they are instanced (for reasons I understand), you can't truly share and delegate activities in your home.
It seems like yet another unfinished bit of work from ZOS and I certainly won't buy for crowns, even though I have all my crowns from many years of subbing because I never buy any of their over-priced Store tat. Possibly I'll buy one with in-game gold to see what it's all about, but why on earth spend real money on something with so little game value?2