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Crown price ranges are realistic or crazy for unfurnished houses?
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wiz12268b14_ESO✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »I voted Sensible!
You freeloaders expect ZOS to keep the lights on by selling potatoes and undesirable items in the crown store..
Even worse is the fact that these same people have the stones to make post on the forums about broken mechanics and bugs that ZOS needs to fix, but then you expect them to do all of this by selling unwanted garbage in the crown store?
Or you know they could make a REAL DLC with quests and new items and whatever else they have done in the past.
Housing is a cash grab plain and simple. It is 'free' but the cost of the item(s) it offers is more than the other DLCs they had released combined, by a factor of two now that they offer them all for 5500 crowns.
What do you think took more work, the 4 DLCs in that pack or the 39 or whatever it is housing instances?
Not to mention that subs dont even buy those DLCs they get them for their sub fee.
Thats why I said in my other comment that the pricing for stuff in this game has zero rhyme or reason to it.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I wouldnt doubt the price of the motifs is what it is simply to make house prices look tiny by comparison. Especially in conjunction with gold prices.5 -
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✭✭✭Other....wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »I voted Sensible!
You freeloaders expect ZOS to keep the lights on by selling potatoes and undesirable items in the crown store..
Even worse is the fact that these same people have the stones to make post on the forums about broken mechanics and bugs that ZOS needs to fix, but then you expect them to do all of this by selling unwanted garbage in the crown store?
Or you know they could make a REAL DLC with quests and new items and whatever else they have done in the past.
Housing is a cash grab plain and simple. It is 'free' but the cost of the item(s) it offers is more than the other DLCs they had released combined, by a factor of two now that they offer them all for 5500 crowns.
What do you think took more work, the 4 DLCs in that pack or the 39 or whatever it is housing instances?
Not to mention that subs dont even buy those DLCs they get them for their sub fee.
Thats why I said in my other comment that the pricing for stuff in this game has zero rhyme or reason to it.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I wouldnt doubt the price of the motifs is what it is simply to make house prices look tiny by comparison. Especially in conjunction with gold prices.
I would have to go with the 4 dlcs, I believe someone mentioned earlier the houses are just copy and paste1 -
UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
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Oh please. Saying "that guy's got a very serious lack of common sense" is really no different from saying "that guy's an idiot who makes stupid decisions." Don't try to pretend otherwise. You're also the one trying to say that people who have a different opinion from you on something that's entirely subjective are "wrong". Of course, when something is subjective like this, there's no such thing as right or wrong. Yet those whose opinions differ from yours are "wrong".I never even once mentioned intelligence or lack thereof. I said common sense, which is a very different thing. I myself have at times lost my common sense, and exactly in this kind of situation, where I have spend hilarious amounts of money and justified it with "entertainment values".
You jumping to conclusions about what drives a person's enjoyment of something in a game "shows a lack of common sense." Why would you assume that a "need for prestige" has anything to do with it? Maybe people want suitable places where they can RP with their friends. Maybe people just enjoy having a place where they can kick back, relax, and admire the way they've decorated it. There are tons of different reasons why people may enjoy these things, yet you can't understand this and keep attributing it to a "lack of common sense."Me buying a house in game for the same amount of money as a week's worth of food (and that is a very low estimate), which I do since I can't or don't want to spend the time playing the game to earn it with virtual currency, thus indicating that the "value" I get from it may be significantly influenced by my need for prestige, shows a lack of common sense.
If this person enjoys those things, why not? Who are you to judge them for it?Even if this money is paid for an item that will be in constant use by me, where does this stop? Is the cup for 400 crowns also "worth it"? Will said hypothetical person buying the house, dump another 20k crowns on the interior? Will (s)he then start to spend her/his valuable gaming time with farming the hilarious amount of ingredients required to furnish it?
Maybe because (shock, horror) they enjoy doing that. People are allowed to like different things than you do, and to place different values on different things/activities than you do. That doesn't mean that they're idiots for it (or, I'm sorry, we'll use your euphemism: "they've got a very serious lack of common sense"). I truly find it sad that you just don't understand this, and insist on insulting people who don't share your opinion.If yes, why not spend a fraction of the time to earn the gold (virtual currency) to pay for it instead of serious cash?
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✭✭Other....I truly find it sad that you just don't understand this, and insist on insulting people who don't share your opinion.
Oh, the only one insulting anyone is you. Have fun, mate. I won't argue with a person who doesn't read what I write.Edited by Leandor on January 29, 2017 11:03PM1 -
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You're totally wrong about the bold part. Whether they've managed to get the differences in prices for different types of things that they sell right is definitely up for debate, but thinking there's no rhyme or reason to the way they price different things is definitely wrong. While it may not be obvious to the casual observer, they've got different pricing strategies for different types of items that they sell, and those strategies are different for a reason.wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »I voted Sensible!
You freeloaders expect ZOS to keep the lights on by selling potatoes and undesirable items in the crown store..
Even worse is the fact that these same people have the stones to make post on the forums about broken mechanics and bugs that ZOS needs to fix, but then you expect them to do all of this by selling unwanted garbage in the crown store?
Or you know they could make a REAL DLC with quests and new items and whatever else they have done in the past.
Housing is a cash grab plain and simple. It is 'free' but the cost of the item(s) it offers is more than the other DLCs they had released combined, by a factor of two now that they offer them all for 5500 crowns.
What do you think took more work, the 4 DLCs in that pack or the 39 or whatever it is housing instances?
Not to mention that subs dont even buy those DLCs they get them for their sub fee.
Thats why I said in my other comment that the pricing for stuff in this game has zero rhyme or reason to it.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I wouldnt doubt the price of the motifs is what it is simply to make house prices look tiny by comparison. Especially in conjunction with gold prices.
You need to consider that the criteria for whether a DLC is successful is very very different from the criteria for whether a cosmetic item is successful. A DLC can be considered a loss leader (although I highly doubt they ever actually lose money on them). It's something that is intended to keep people interested in continuing to play the game, and as such it has to be priced low compared to the amount of work that went into it. You want as much of the player base as possible to play that DLC, because the vast majority of players simply won't bother logging on if they feel like they have nothing to do, and if they're not logging on then there's no chance of them buying other stuff.
Cosmetic items, on the other hand, can and should be priced in a wide range of price ranges. By their very nature cosmetic items don't appeal to the entire player base, as many players just don't care about cosmetics, while the players who do care about cosmetics tend to be picky about which cosmetics they like enough to buy. So you want some cosmetics that are relatively generic and priced low - these are ones that almost anyone interested in cosmetics will look at and say "sure, I might use that and it's cheap so I'll buy it". You also want some in the mid-range that will appeal to a smaller audience. Specialty cosmetics. And then you want a small number that are expensive - but for those to really be successful they have to be sufficiently cool that it's not just a small number of whales buying them. Whether ZOS has actually been successful with pricing cosmetics along these lines is up for debate. Many people would say that they've priced the higher end ones too high, and that could very well be true.
Functional items need yet another pricing strategy. Anything that is functional needs to be priced attractively enough that a segment of the player base will buy them, but not so cheaply that enough people will be buying them to actually detract from going and playing the game. So you don't want everyone going and buying crown store potions while nobody spends the time farming mats and leveling alchemy. But you want some people buying them. This is another balance that's hard to find, and I'd venture that ZOS hasn't really found it yet, but again that's up for debate.
Housing is... I don't know. Somehow you have to price it as if it were a combination of DLC and cosmetics. It's something that's intended to keep people playing and logging in (like DLC), but it's also something that follows a lot of the rules of cosmetics (it only appeals to a segment of the player base, and that segment is likely to be picky about what they like, etc). I tend to think they've probably priced housing about right, but again it's totally up for debate, and only time will tell.
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smacx250✭✭✭✭✭SensibleI like apples. Do you like apples? No?! Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong!!!
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✭✭✭Other....I like apples. Do you like apples? No?! Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong!!!
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smacx250✭✭✭✭✭SensibleKyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »I like apples. Do you like apples? No?! Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVieZB7YN4c
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✭✭Surprised....Thought they might be more when you look at other items in the Crown Store. When you look at the prices for name changes, hair styles, pets and mounts, which are all only cosmetic but must be selling, these house prices are extremely low.
I know people will have to furnish them, which I suspect may be where the real money will be for ZOS. I suspect these prices are designed to make a lot of people look to the Crown Store as being quicker and easier than making the in game gold.
Like all items in the Crown Store, they are non essential items that will appeal to some people and not others. If you don't like the prices, don't buy them in the Crown store - change your play style and buy for in game gold.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭SensibleKyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
No need to be salty, @Kyle1983b14_ESO. I've played games were properties go for thousands of USD. I have very little interest in homes for cash. Plus, I have enough to buy with in-game gold. Still, at 10,000 crowns, I'd have one in less than a year of my Plus sub if I truly wanted to spend money on one. So yeah, very reasonable.Edited by ThePonzzz on January 30, 2017 12:18AM1 -
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✭✭✭Other....Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
No need to be salty, @Kyle1983b14_ESO. I've played games were properties go for thousands of USD. I have very little interest in homes for cash. Plus, I have enough to buy with in-game gold. Still, at 10,000 crowns, I'd have one in less than a year of my Plus sub if I truly wanted to spend money on one. So yeah, very reasonable.
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✭SensibleKyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
No need to be salty, @Kyle1983b14_ESO. I've played games were properties go for thousands of USD. I have very little interest in homes for cash. Plus, I have enough to buy with in-game gold. Still, at 10,000 crowns, I'd have one in less than a year of my Plus sub if I truly wanted to spend money on one. So yeah, very reasonable.
Star citizen? I hear that game's going to crash hardcore
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Vudokan✭✭✭Too high...I think it's expected that ZOS offer the homestead system as an incentive for people to do grinding stuff in the next three months, and not set the crown price to encourage many to purchase all they want on day one.
What ZOS 'wants it to be to the players' is entirely, completely irrelevant. If ZOS wants to make money, and wants to have happy players, they will give the players what they want. Gaming studios that do that sort of top-down design - "let's design based on what we want them to do rather than what they want" is a failure. A diorama system that has zero in-game utility to players, that is only accessible via obscene grind or exorbitant expenditure of in-game or IRL cash is madness. Until they offer us:- Housing storage of some kind
- Ability to re-sell or upgrade to better properties as we 'progress' in housing
- A reasonable path to basic furnishings that doesn't involve months of grind
- Interactivity beyond lighting candles and sitting in 1/100 chairs available
They are failing to provide the bare minimum of what any reasonable person could expect from a housing system.
Get this straight, people - we're not complaining about the prices - we are complaining about the value proposition we're being presented with.
Edited by Vudokan on January 30, 2017 1:22AM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SensibleKyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
That's really up to personal opinion. Where I heard there would be an island I was stoked to get it. Now that I saw it? Meh. Don't plan on buying either CS exclusive.Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord2 -
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✭✭✭Other....Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
That's really up to personal opinion. Where I heard there would be an island I was stoked to get it. Now that I saw it? Meh. Don't plan on buying either CS exclusive.
Yeah think i'm going to try and save up for a large house later in months, haven't been making to much in game gold since people are saving up for homestead i'm guessing. Also I've spent quite alot on motifs since I returned to the game I basically had all the original set 3 months into the game, then came back about 2 months ago and only 3 full motifs and some pages of others left.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SensibleKyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
That's really up to personal opinion. Where I heard there would be an island I was stoked to get it. Now that I saw it? Meh. Don't plan on buying either CS exclusive.
Really? I loved the island! It was awesome being able to go from splashing around in my waterfall pool to being devoured by slaughterfish after jumping off the dock into the ocean.
Although, I hated the decor! I plan to redecorate with standard furniture, who cares if it doesn't have that 'tiki hut' vibe!!CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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✭✭Surprised....It is up to the individual if they think housing is good, bad, expensive or cheap. As I have said before, if I buy any houses it will only be because I can do it with in game gold and they would be sparsely furnished. Maybe a DPS dummy and some crafting stations unless they introduce storage.
Not everything ZOS brings into the game is going to appeal to everyone. I disliked TG and DB, so choose not to do their quest lines, even though I am ESO+. If housing is not your thing, or you do not think it is what it should be, don't buy a house until it meets your criteria.
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✭✭✭Surprised....I picked this option bc I was surprised I was right I was thinking these prices off by 1k but not to far off and I'm not upset about it get the house you can afford or don't buy a house at all or use in game gold.Edited by FloppyTouch on January 30, 2017 2:08AM1 -
thisisScoMan✭✭✭✭Surprised....I was sort of basing it off mounts we've seen in the past. Mostly the Elk.
I thought the small house might be about the same as the Elk, so I guess that's not surprising.
Then I thought the medium might be double (8k-9k), the large double again (16k-18k) with the mansions 25k.
People might calculate that out into real dollars now and say "You were expecting xxx real dollars?", well yes, I guess I was.
I'm not saying I would have been prepared to pay xxx real dollars. I just looked at ZOSs history of crowns I wasn't prepared to pay for things and thought it would be the same.
4k for a mount. I thought they would have no problem selling a manor for 25k.
That said, I still don't think I would spend this many crowns on houses. I have in game gold. I'll experiment with a small house or two and see if I even use them. If not, then meh to the whole thing.Xbox One. NA Server
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✭✭✭SensibleKyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
That's really up to personal opinion. Where I heard there would be an island I was stoked to get it. Now that I saw it? Meh. Don't plan on buying either CS exclusive.
Same here. The most desirable property i saw was Hundings off Stros Mkai. i can afford it in gold if i want.
Not that that is my current plan mind you but...Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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LeathraSoul ShrivenSensibleI'm okay with the prices, as long as it's a non-essential thing. The house prices cover a broad range, and the cheapest stuff seems reasonable to me. I don't need the biggest best house, but I'm fine with the market catering to big spenders. Plus I think the game would be less interesting if everybody could easily afford to get the biggest one right away.2
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✭✭✭✭✭Surprised....So, it's cosmetic... don't buy it.
Or use ingame gold.
Crazy concept... I know.
Actually, right now, I question whether the properties are worth the in-game gold, forget about real Crown cash.Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
Problem with that is the best houses are Crowns only.
That's really up to personal opinion. Where I heard there would be an island I was stoked to get it. Now that I saw it? Meh. Don't plan on buying either CS exclusive.
Same here. The most desirable property i saw was Hundings off Stros Mkai. i can afford it in gold if i want.
Not that that is my current plan mind you but...
We are exactly on the same page. Scary, ain't it.
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QUEZ420✭✭✭✭SensibleWit more frequent crown sales instead of barely quarterly then yeaaaa its sensible, I guess.0
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✭✭✭Sensiblelordrichter wrote: »So, it's cosmetic... don't buy it.
Or use ingame gold.
Crazy concept... I know.
Actually, right now, I question whether the properties are worth the in-game gold, forget about real Crown cash.Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
Problem with that is the best houses are Crowns only.
That's really up to personal opinion. Where I heard there would be an island I was stoked to get it. Now that I saw it? Meh. Don't plan on buying either CS exclusive.
Same here. The most desirable property i saw was Hundings off Stros Mkai. i can afford it in gold if i want.
Not that that is my current plan mind you but...
We are exactly on the same page. Scary, ain't it.
Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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laurajf✭✭✭Too high...For me, I find them too high at this time with their limited functionality if buying crowns at the regular price. Give us a sale before or during launch of housing, and I'll consider them fair at the reduced crown cost, which would cut their cost almost in half.Edited by laurajf on January 30, 2017 12:21PM4 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭SensibleNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »I voted Sensible!
You freeloaders expect ZOS to keep the lights on by selling potatoes and undesirable items in the crown store..
Even worse is the fact that these same people have the stones to make post on the forums about broken mechanics and bugs that ZOS needs to fix, but then you expect them to do all of this by selling unwanted garbage in the crown store?
@Funkopotamus
Your comments suggests you have financial info about them which suggests they are struggling or in need of additional funding.
Your comment also assumes people who may have voted a certain way don't sub, or buy crowns.
If you take the time to read many of the comments the majority of them are from experiences of buying crowns or subs so the company profits would have been fine if prices were more in line with those voting that it's too high.
What is at stake per many comments are those who do sub and buy crowns who are suggesting they will stop or do so sparingly going forward
Look smurf you and I have on multiple times been at each others throats on this forum so I will not take the bait again on your personal attacks and respond to you personally on the housing cost, but I will say that I do not have any insider information. I am simply stating my opinion and I understand that as usual you do not agree with my views "I know shocker eh"?
All I am saying is that I was here supporting ESO years ago and still do.. I have taken breaks from this game for 4 and 5 months at a time and NEVER canceled my ESO+ during those breaks. I was one of the few that actually wanted ESO to remain SUB fee based even on console. People wanted a ftp/btp model and well.... We got what they wanted and it is showing.. ZOS needs to make money here folks. The fact that I have paid for ESO+ and have bought crowns on the side is not enough to keep the servers up and pay for all of the bug fixes and updates alone. If it were the case then I highly doubt we would be seeing these prices being so high..
ZOS knows that housing is going to be a VERY desirable addition to ESO therefore they are going to price it at a premium. Most will grumble about it. Some will threaten to leave the game and some will make post such as these on the forums, but at the end of the day ZOS will have made the right call.. People WILL buy into the prices as it is a very desirable addition to ESO plain and simple.
I can remember fighting with people on here telling me that Text chat was never going to happen on console and I tried to tell everyone that it was indeed coming to console I even backed it up with data mined proof of the text chat system already being there in the game files on console it was just never enabled until a few months ago. Why did I feel so strongly about it? Because ESO NEEDED text chat on console for a number of reasons.
Again I am sorry if you took it as a personal attack NBS, but I honestly see no issues with the prices being rather high for housing.. It is not like having a house gives you or myself an advantage in the game. It is OPTIONAL! and as such I think that those that support the game should get rewarded accordingly. If it takes a larger financial contribution to the game to get the best houses then so be it. Those people that chose to crack open their wallets a little wider should be rewarded with better houses than those who do not..
People do not always win trophies for losing.
We are not all entitled to everything we want.
People who PAY for this game be it ESO+ or buying crowns should be rewarded for doing so more than they currently are.
There are so very few things that have came through the Crown Store to justify us paying for ESO+ every month. I can honestly say that all of those saved up crowns can actually go towards something of value with the housing cost. For those that feel that it is too high then don't pay the crowns just buy the houses with in game gold!
ZOS is not making the players do anything. The fact that people buying houses for crowns is not going to make a difference on gameplay at all. It is not going to give anyone an advantage.. It is all personal preference. If I pay $50.00 worth of crowns for my house it is not going to be any different then the guy next to me that paid however much in game gold for his.. We will still be a le to wear the same gear, be able to reach the same CP rank.
Who are we to tell ZOS what they can and cannot charge for housing.. To be honest the correct price is whatever the customer is willing to pay.. Having said that there has to be a reason for ZOS to set the prices where they are aiming.. Past item sales must have suggested that customers will pay it. l@@king at you 4k Dro-m'athra Senches ..Edited by Funkopotamus on January 30, 2017 3:37AMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington1 -
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✭Other....wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »AlexDresden87 wrote: »I find all of those who placed a vote for "Too High" a little absured. Then again that is my personal belief. I'm speaking from experience of playing other games that charge compared to this game. To me the cost of the manor for example far cheaper than what I expected ($100-$200 worth of crowns). I say this because if your looking at this game as just for pricing stand point compared to lets say Warcraft. This game is asking hardly much. I used to play warcraft and I had purchased a special mount in the game that costed almost $30. And here, you can practically own a decent size house for a single player that can do whatever the hell they want with it for just about the same price....
WoW also has account wide skin changes (not just the costumes but armor as well) , exp gear which last forever to basically hit max level, being able to purchase your sub in game with in game currency (p2w imo).
Sure they differ alot but I believe WoW has many more features atm than ESO does though.
I wonder why. Not because it's been out for 12 years as compared to 3, surely?
Or maybe perhaps they listened to the community more as well, not sure.
Perhaps we're both right. They listened to their community for 12 years rather than for 3 years ?
Well at the given rate, ESO won't survive that long tbh if they don't do something.
I see no evidence of the game falling in popularity, on the contrary it becomes more populated with each update and I can only see that trend continuing with the housing update.
Well take a look at Swtor for example, ever since the CM came out tons of people flocked back to the game, yet 6 months later the game was a ghost town again, and has been for the past 2-3 years.
Really? Perhaps in NA, I wouldn't know. I still play in the EU and don't see it as a ghost town. However, I'll judge the success of this game by how well populated it is rather than by how well populated other games are.
Just saying its going the same route as Swtor is, so not looking to good atm
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that, given that we aren't in agreement on the state of SWTOR let alone the direction ESO is going in and its rising popularity notwithstanding all the doomsayers and gloom-mongers, quite apart from the entitlement brigade who want all the best stuff for next to nothing.
Its still a buy to play with a nearly necessary sub, so its not entitlement. Its one thing if the game was made as a free to play game from jump street. It wasnt. We critics said EXACTLY what was going to happen with this game and we have been correct at nearly every turn. Other than it went F2P a few months earlier than we predicted.
We said it would release as sub, milk money from people who wanted that next big thing game and then after a year or so go F2P. Well they didnt go full free to play but they went buy to play (with a fire sale price) about 9 months after release.
The the crown store comes in and it has gotten more and more ridiculous with no rhyme or reasoning to prices. I have said that when you give currency away as a sub incentive it will affect prices somewhat but there still should be some scale to HOW they price things. 4K for some mounts, 6k for motifs, 400 for cups and saucers and plates? Absolutely zero correlation as to why those prices are what they are and why some things are 1500 or 500.
Storage is the end all be all in most MMOs, and ZoS was very smart putting the crafting bag (the number one reason why people dont have bag space to begin with) behind a sub wall. So its a catch 22 they can sell more 'permanent' storage space and negate the need for people to sub or they can continue to 'rent' the unlimited bag. One obviously has a much larger upside to their bottom line. even if they sold 100 slots for 100 dollars it would still be cheaper (in the long run) for people to buy that and stop subbing, especially if the major reason they were subbing in the first place was that crafting bag, which is more than likely is for most people. Add in the outrageous price of storage upgrades in terms of in game gold and that make storage even more precious. But thats why they sell 10 slots for 1000 crowns I suppose.
Now theyre adding furniture and more crafting 'crap' which is going to diminish space even more, especially if youre not a sub and dont have the craft bag.
Storage or lack thereof I am sure is the biggest complaint people have with this game, and is probably a reason why so many stop playing altogether. You grind (with limited space) to sell crap to buy more space and its a never ending cycle. And even then you still have what 200 max personal bag space? And you have to upgrade it on each and every toon. Thats why the craft bag is so 'valuable' its bottomless and its shared.
In the end you have to look at all this from an OBJECTIVE point of view not as a fan or a critic. What is a 'normal' person going to think of it. Fans will pay just about anything until they wont, then theyre critics and pissed off and then they wont pay at all. The scorched earth approach has never worked for any game. Sure it might keep one that is on life support going for a little while longer but it surely wont make it grow, get old players back, or attract new people.
I know got a little off topic there but it all stems from the same argument.
Have you played almost any other game lately? Eso actually has a ton of storage compared to other MMO. Especially if we are going to compare eso as a free 2 play which you seem to be implying it is.
Go make a list of mmo with more storage that is cheaper. I bet there are way more games with way less storage that will cost you a lot more.
So if we are going to call this game f2p, then it is the best f2p mmo out.
Sorry the end is not near. Also do you really believe they have no reasoning on how they price things?
Saying there is limited storage compared to other games is inaccurate. Also if someone is that worried about it then stop being cheap and sub.0
