Bow users and light attack spam!?!
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Kalfis✭✭✭✭Light bow attacks are very underwhelming to me, makes the bow weapon feel terrible.
On the other hand, heavy attacks are a lot more enjoyable. I'd be spamming those all day, never gets old.Edited by Kalfis on January 28, 2017 3:43PM1 -
runagate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Usually when I'm probably "spamming" is doing so to give it time for my stamina to regen. Well, my light attack from a bow does from 5 to 9k. So, it doesn't hurt to use it, and the damages stack and add up fast. Plus, it's quicker than pulling for a heavy attack. I'll use the heavy attack if there is time and chance to use it, but lots of times during a fight with a boss, you don't always get the time needed to pull for a heavy attack, for the stam regen. Thus, best thing is to spam light until you get enough stam back; particularly in the fight on that reborn world boss in Wrothgar.
Heavy attacks give stamina back.0 -
JbSmooth✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Usually when I'm probably "spamming" is doing so to give it time for my stamina to regen. Well, my light attack from a bow does from 5 to 9k. So, it doesn't hurt to use it, and the damages stack and add up fast. Plus, it's quicker than pulling for a heavy attack. I'll use the heavy attack if there is time and chance to use it, but lots of times during a fight with a boss, you don't always get the time needed to pull for a heavy attack, for the stam regen. Thus, best thing is to spam light until you get enough stam back; particularly in the fight on that reborn world boss in Wrothgar.
No that's not how it works.Whats up with this behaviour? Almost every bow user i see these days, seems to just spam light attack? Why?
Its weak, gives impression of not knowing what to do and looks funny.
Whats up with this? Should bow have its own separate tutproal when you pick first up?
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Well then you should read the bow passives
Hawk Eye
WITH BOW EQUIPPED
Your successful Light and Heavy Attacks increase the damage of your Bow abilities by 5% for 4 seconds, stacking up to 3 times.
and its getting buffed next patch
And that's not how it works either.
that is how it works using light attacks to buff my bow abilities that is how its intended to be used and how i use it0 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Usually when I'm probably "spamming" is doing so to give it time for my stamina to regen. Well, my light attack from a bow does from 5 to 9k. So, it doesn't hurt to use it, and the damages stack and add up fast. Plus, it's quicker than pulling for a heavy attack. I'll use the heavy attack if there is time and chance to use it, but lots of times during a fight with a boss, you don't always get the time needed to pull for a heavy attack, for the stam regen. Thus, best thing is to spam light until you get enough stam back; particularly in the fight on that reborn world boss in Wrothgar.
No that's not how it works.Whats up with this behaviour? Almost every bow user i see these days, seems to just spam light attack? Why?
Its weak, gives impression of not knowing what to do and looks funny.
Whats up with this? Should bow have its own separate tutproal when you pick first up?
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Well then you should read the bow passives
Hawk Eye
WITH BOW EQUIPPED
Your successful Light and Heavy Attacks increase the damage of your Bow abilities by 5% for 4 seconds, stacking up to 3 times.
and its getting buffed next patch
And that's not how it works either.
that is how it works using light attacks to buff my bow abilities that is how its intended to be used and how i use it
But if you only spam light attacks, which bow ability do you buff?
You should always do light attack --> ability and so on to make fuill use of this passiv. Spamming light attacks is never more usefull then doing LA/Skill....Noobplar2 -
Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Usually when I'm probably "spamming" is doing so to give it time for my stamina to regen. Well, my light attack from a bow does from 5 to 9k. So, it doesn't hurt to use it, and the damages stack and add up fast. Plus, it's quicker than pulling for a heavy attack. I'll use the heavy attack if there is time and chance to use it, but lots of times during a fight with a boss, you don't always get the time needed to pull for a heavy attack, for the stam regen. Thus, best thing is to spam light until you get enough stam back; particularly in the fight on that reborn world boss in Wrothgar.
No that's not how it works.Whats up with this behaviour? Almost every bow user i see these days, seems to just spam light attack? Why?
Its weak, gives impression of not knowing what to do and looks funny.
Whats up with this? Should bow have its own separate tutproal when you pick first up?
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Well then you should read the bow passives
Hawk Eye
WITH BOW EQUIPPED
Your successful Light and Heavy Attacks increase the damage of your Bow abilities by 5% for 4 seconds, stacking up to 3 times.
and its getting buffed next patch
And that's not how it works either.
that is how it works using light attacks to buff my bow abilities that is how its intended to be used and how i use it
No it's not.GreenhaloX wrote: »Usually when I'm probably "spamming" is doing so to give it time for my stamina to regen. Well, my light attack from a bow does from 5 to 9k. So, it doesn't hurt to use it, and the damages stack and add up fast. Plus, it's quicker than pulling for a heavy attack. I'll use the heavy attack if there is time and chance to use it, but lots of times during a fight with a boss, you don't always get the time needed to pull for a heavy attack, for the stam regen. Thus, best thing is to spam light until you get enough stam back; particularly in the fight on that reborn world boss in Wrothgar.
No that's not how it works.Whats up with this behaviour? Almost every bow user i see these days, seems to just spam light attack? Why?
Its weak, gives impression of not knowing what to do and looks funny.
Whats up with this? Should bow have its own separate tutproal when you pick first up?
.....
Well then you should read the bow passives
Hawk Eye
WITH BOW EQUIPPED
Your successful Light and Heavy Attacks increase the damage of your Bow abilities by 5% for 4 seconds, stacking up to 3 times.
and its getting buffed next patch
And that's not how it works either.
that is how it works using light attacks to buff my bow abilities that is how its intended to be used and how i use it
But if you only spam light attacks, which bow ability do you buff?
You should always do light attack --> ability and so on to make fuill use of this passiv. Spamming light attacks is never more usefull then doing LA/Skill....
THIS IS IT.
Although bow main is somewhat weird and ineffective, at least try to be effective while being ineffective.
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Tapio75✭✭✭✭✭
✭As i understand the passive, each attack gives a stack and every stack has the 4 second time it is active, when i use next heavy attack, a next stack appears and the timer is reset, then third heavy attack to get maximized damage plus abilities between these
Heavyattack->buff->Ability->Heavyattack->buff->Ability->heavyattack->buff->ability
Yp get the best damage out of the passive.>>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its obviously issue of them not being very knowledgable players (yet). But there are several things that promote light attacking (and therefore make newbies feel like they need to do it a lot) and those are:- Hawk eye passive to increase damage
- Siphoning Strikes to regen stamina (or health if they use the horrible morph)
- Ult regen, because for new players how ult regen works could be confusing, except that part that light attacking regens it.
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Weng✭✭✭In pvp it makes sense to spam a row of light attacks. With all theses dodges, misses and combat chaos you can't use a "clean" pve skill and light attack rotation to trigger ultimate regen, keep hawk eye up.
And if you don't want to wade into the red circles of these pvp zergs, then you will use a bow as stamina user. Even though I would put acid spray, snipe, etc. on the skill bar and actually use these as well ...
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Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't spam light attacks constantly, but I certainly do mix them in with my other attacks. You guys do realize that there are passives that buff light bow attacks by quite a bit right? Maybe go do some research before crying about all bow users who happen to use light attacks more than once in a fight.Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭w3ng_vgeb17_ESO wrote: »In pvp it makes sense to spam a row of light attacks. With all theses dodges, misses and combat chaos you can't use a "clean" pve skill and light attack rotation to trigger ultimate regen, keep hawk eye up.
And if you don't want to wade into the red circles of these pvp zergs, then you will use a bow as stamina user. Even though I would put acid spray, snipe, etc. on the skill bar and actually use these as well ...
I'd say injection or venom, rather than snipe these days, but that's me. Acid Spray's nice in a lot of swarm circumstances, though.0 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Whats up with this behaviour? Almost every bow user i see these days, seems to just spam light attack? Why?
Its weak, gives impression of not knowing what to do and looks funny.
Whats up with this? Should bow have its own separate tutproal when you pick first up?
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KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lots of folks on the forums here who don't PUG, and don't experience the wonderful left-clicking bow-dps.
They are very real, usually pretty responsive to a friendly recommendation to cast more spells, sometimes about as spatially aware as a spud.
Edit: To reiterate, most DD include light/heavy attacks into their rotations. We know that they are good for ultimate generation and various buff and passive effects, along with animation cancelling and general weaving to keep up sustain while continuing to DPS. There are people out there who light attack endlessly with perhaps a sparse skill cast like poison injection or endless hail, they really really exist.Edited by KochDerDamonen on January 28, 2017 5:00PMIf you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].2 -
Dagoth_Rac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hawk Eye stacks are supposed to come from weaving light attacks between skills. But I think a lot of players read that Hawk Eye passive and think it requires you to do a bunch of light attacks in a row to activate damage bonus.2 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not a lot of spam bow abilities as most dot but in PVE ; I just don't stay on the bow bar other than poison injection and to start AOE. Light attack weave with bombard here and there but other wise swap to me lee.0 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Light attack spammers drive me nuts in pvp, cuz a lot of times that's all I hear Dx"Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭I use LA/Poions inject when i run into a group in pvp. I do it for many reasons. tagging, ultimate build, finding a target and general evaluate the group composition. and keeping distance and check where they going and their intentions. I have undead enchant aswell on Bow so if i see a vamp i spam that target more. when i find a good target, i jump in when opportunity arises.Edited by Glamdring on January 28, 2017 7:06PM0
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Tapio75✭✭✭✭✭
✭While in PVP and zergs elsewhere, light attacks may be viable to get some hits...
So many seem to be fully ignorant that the while hawkeye quickly enhances the ability damage, the heavy attacks do the exact same thing and with Merciless resolve, the heavy attack deals 8% more damage, light attacks deal 8% more too, but light attack is so weak compared to heavy, that you lose some damage.
Its no use for example in world boss to quickly spam light attacks and weave abilities, you can do same with heavy attacks exept you do lot more damage to boss and contribute more to overall damage of the group. 4 heavy attacks trigger the spectral bow so you could use like
Merciless resolve->Heavy attack->poison injectio->Heavy attack->Swallow soul->Heavy attack->Swallow soul->Heavy attack->Spectral bow
And repeat, if stationary you can place endless hail in the beginning. Repeat and you contribute much more to long fights..
You also kill a normal mob in the world much quicker that way rather than just spamming that light attack, even if there are abilities in the mix, it is not as effective..
Also, keep in mind, that you can que next ability when charging heavy attacks so it fires right after the arrow.
The hawk eye passive should anyways work just like triple focus on destro staff so that it would not encourage people spamming light attacks.Edited by Tapio75 on January 28, 2017 7:28PM>>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<0 -
gard✭✭✭✭✭I think a quick look at the bow passives probably answers the op's question.
My counter question is "why do you care?"
Are you the playstyle police or what?2 -
Junipus✭✭✭✭✭I see it as a form of penance. Through having to carry those spammers through trials and other content I atone for my sins of wishing extreme bodily harm upon them. I attain self improvement by leaving them dead on the floor while finishing the content (or leaving them for the zerg while I escape).The Legendary Nothing1 -
Celas_Dranacea✭✭✭✭✭Sometimes in PVP I have both siphoning attacks and relentless focus on my bow bar.
That means when I'm spamming light attacks I'm getting resource return, activating hawkeye, charging relentless focus and generating ultimate at the same time.Edited by Celas_Dranacea on January 28, 2017 7:27PMA Bosmer Nightblade Werewolf0 -
Tapio75✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont get it why the hawkeye passive is not made similarly as triple focus on destro staff.. On frost staff, only fully charged heavy attacks benefit, not lCelas_Dranacea wrote: »Sometimes in PVP I have both siphoning attacks and relentless focus on my bow bar.
That means when I'm spamming light attacks I'm getting resource return, activating hawkeye, charging relentless focus and generating ultimate at the same time.
Siphoning strikes makes your light attacks even weaker so there is more need for at least half drawn heavy attacks rather than just button smashing.
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Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭But I need my light attacks to help proc my poisons and Widowmaker, as well as my Grim Focus.
Sarcasm aside, I do tend to spam light bow attacks whenever I need to go ranged on my Stamblade just because my other options (Poison Injection, Endless Hail, Siphoning Attacks, Relentless Focus and Caltrops) aren't exactly spam options either so it's really the best in a bad situation kind of thing for me.
The people that do it without using any other abilities however, are a mix of just not knowing any better, are unteachable idiots or just waiting for Stamina to regen and don't want to charge up Heavy Attacks for it.Argonian forever1 -
_biz_✭✭I think it's great when they add in endless hail, but they also spam it like 5 times because... well I don't know why they do that. I want to ask them, but I'm afraid the answer will be 'so it will hit the monsters with 5 of them.'1
