Storage wasn't added cause only 3% of the active player base has max upgraded their bags and bank!

elantaura · January 2017

That's because of some silly things

Ok many have a guild bank with 97%plus of that player base being inactive. Firstly they use that secondly it's not hard to se the level of inactivity abundant.

Lots of people are broke, not everyone makes tons of money who plays. I know people who's main characters are not maxed they Roll an alt as its easier.

I have at least 2 mules I'll delete so I'm not upgrading fully. Untill a character is played properly and I like it I don't max it as it's expensive i have a few sitting at 160. I have an alt I intend on playing and it's new and speed is more important right now.

I don't know if this is still a thing, but I used to know pvpers (who no longer play) who played a lot of bwb. This wa at least a year ago,they would delete the character and reroll and not upgrade at all

Honestly even without ,adding right now hopefully that changes but the could address better ways to manage storage I.e atune a cupboard to each character and sort inventory from character your playing when ofline of some better solution if they have it.

sadownik · January 2017

Quite funny really if you look at it form the side - as i didn't log in for months now, how hast ESO is turning into whale tank where krill simply doesn't matter

WhiteCoatSyndrome · January 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

What's that? That was just a typo? Well what the hell am I supposed to do with all of these crows?

Give'em to Nocturnal.

Mojmir · January 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Maybe they're figuring in those 7mil accounts,lol.
Let's see the number of people who haven't logged in over 6 months rich!!

@Mojmir

I'd actually argue it's more along the lines of not double counting.

I played for over a year on PC and then transferred to Xbox One.

Should both of my accounts on NA and EU be considered?
Another concept is should my kids Xbox one accounts be considered and my wife who I think may all be under level 10 but none of them bought the game they just can access it the game on my Xbox or own the 2nd one here....all who each have their own accounts.

Let's then consider how many people share the purchase of their Xbox one digital game which caused accounts to be created.

That In my opinion is the logic not being applied which is a lot more important to comprehend rather than "active" or innactive accounts.

@ZOS_PhilipDraven

Did they even stop to Consider subs that were using the crafting bag? Who needs upgrades on bags when most stuff is trash or goes straight to the craft bag.I have 3 accts on pc and one on ps4 also with multiple shares,sounds like double dipping to promote their excuse.

Elsonso · January 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

The thing that makes this disappointing for me is that I didn't actually want storage in my house simply as an extension of the bank - I wanted to use items we can find or get from quests as decorations.

It would make it much more personal and meaningful than using the same generic furniture as everyone else.

I totally 100% agree with this @Danikat. I don't care in the slightest bit for storage in housing just for the sake of storing things. I want any "storage" in housing to be for displaying things.

Yup. Same here. I have available storage, don't need anymore, and have room to expand when I do. The storage I have is cluttered with trophies that I thought might be useful to display in Homestead, and now trophies are just assorted junk.

I totally get why they did not prioritize storage in houses higher than it is. There are only pockets of people that really need housing storage, for the sake of adding storage.

Now that trophies are junk, I figure I will have a bit more available storage space.

Panda_iMunch · January 2017

I hope they asked why people didn't.
People with alts would spend enough on just upgrading space to buy many many houses.

KeiruNicrom · January 2017

I do hope ZOS did not count all of the accounts that have been banned since release in this metric. Y'know the account that literally cant increase bag space anymore. Bots, those caught using hacks, those that used inappropriate names and refused to change them. All these accounts that still technically exist but can no longer effect their characters.

And what of completely new characters/accounts. Did they choose to add into that metric all the people that haven't had the chance to increase bag space?

SydneyGrey · January 2017

So, if only 3% of players buy from the Crown Store, does that mean they'll do away with the Crown Store?

Zeni must have been counting all the people who tried the game out, didn't like it, and stopped playing after a few weeks. They need to only count people who have played more than "X" number of hours. Anyone who has played the game for more than a couple of weeks is going to need bag space upgrades.

SydneyGrey · January 2017

sirston wrote: »

And would argue there being worse then EA.

I've played EA games for 20 years. Trust me, they are NOT worse than EA.

Takuto · January 2017

Serious question for those who don't have storage space problems.

If you get a best in slot item (best trait, set, armor type, etc..) which is bind in pickup -- but you aren't going to use it on a character you currently play. What do you do with the item?

RNG is such that you might not see the same item in literally hundreds of runs of the same dungeon or trial.. so what do you do with it?

DeadlyRecluse · January 2017

To be fair, they said that this was why it wasn't added AT LAUNCH.

This doesn't mean it isn't coming until everyone in game maxes out their storage, just that their backend analytics showed it wasn't as big of a driving factor as it may be for the most dedicated sorts (aka those who frequent the forums).

Draxys · January 2017

Loooooool

UrbanMonk · January 2017

They need to hire a new Data Analyst.

willlienellson · January 2017

They really "Zos'd Up" homestead. I'm not participating. It's a joke.

And to blame it's broken status on players is insulting.

Joy_Division · January 2017

ZoS, those people who tried this game, set up and account, and left never upgrading their bank don't care about housing.

The ones who are still here do care about storage. And we want more than a 12 person limit in a large house!

UrQuan · January 2017

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

They need to hire a new Data Analyst.

Well, maybe and maybe not. For all that I was talking earlier in another thread about needing to do a deep delve in order to understand what is actually driving a piece of data before acting based on it, we really don't know whether that process happened or not. All we know is that they gave us that one piece of data as explanation for their decision.

It's very possible that they did a thorough analysis of how many people may be likely to want or expect storage, taking into account all sorts of different statistics and data points, while very diligently looking into what was actually driving the numbers, and then weighed that against the amount of effort required to get storage in time for the launch. I can't count the number of times I've done a ton of very detailed analysis in order to provide best advise on the issue, only to have the detailed explanation of the reasoning get boiled down to something as simplistic as "our TDS ratios are in line with industry standards" by the time it's actually presented to the audience.

So maybe they did a full analysis but they didn't want to go into a ton of detail that would likely go over the heads of a lot of the ESO Live audience, and so they boiled it down to a single statistic that they thought the players would understand, and that they thought would make us say "OK, I may not like it, but I understand why they made that decision".

Or maybe not. None of us really has any idea how much analysis and thought they put into this.

Lylith · January 2017

all 12 characters in main acct, maxed.

2 on secondary (mule) account maxed, and the rest slowly increasing capacity.

as for housing, i originally assumed it would include storage, albeit behind some sort of onerous crafting routine or readily available - and cynically overpriced - in the crown shop.

still think (heavily monetized) storage will be an eventuality, assuming the housing sales are sufficient to support it.

Sinolai · January 2017

Huh...
I have maxed bag on all of my characters and maxed bank. Not my fault. I blame the rest of you

Damn you all! Becouse of you I can't have storage space!!

deleted008293 · January 2017

I don't care about the other 97% if i'm a hoarder I stay hoarder.

Also was this info provided by whom? End game players? PvE-ers that only do quests? Or all player base? This make a huge difference.

Thing with the inventory space is plain simple. Its too small! Let's consider you don't have a plus account. How many crafting materials are out there? I will tell you this much. Enough to fit at least 3-4 maxed toons with 1-2 stacks of all alchemy, provisioning, enchanting, woodcrafting, clothsmith and blacksmith materials. With upcoming content those item count will rise even more but what about inventory space?

Now you have one two main chars. If you are a tank then you will need a lot of good stuff alone. If you have a magika DD and/or stamina DD and/or a healer or all of the above... go figure out how many sets you might hoard out there.

Maybe you keep costumes on you as well. Or other collectibles. Let alone yellow jewels we can't break yet because jewel crafting is not available yet.

At least the bank space need to go up to lets say 300 and eventually character space should also be increased with 20-30-40 slots.

Agobi · January 2017

Mitoice wrote: »

PEOPLE OUTRAGED BY THIS COMMENT....

Put your money where your mouth is.... This comment made me unsub... And no.. not buying any house until they reconsider.... If we all did the same..... This would change in an instant......

If you contribute to buying housing items on the crown store.... Then dont complain about this....we are basically the ones at fault...i agree with ZOS on that but not because of their statistics.....

Also unsubbed...was waiting too see how housing would turn out,,,and this excuse was the last straw for me

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

Agobi wrote: »

Mitoice wrote: »

PEOPLE OUTRAGED BY THIS COMMENT....

Put your money where your mouth is.... This comment made me unsub... And no.. not buying any house until they reconsider.... If we all did the same..... This would change in an instant......

If you contribute to buying housing items on the crown store.... Then dont complain about this....we are basically the ones at fault...i agree with ZOS on that but not because of their statistics.....

Also unsubbed...was waiting too see how housing would turn out,,,and this excuse was the last straw for me

They actually used that comment on the live stream? Jeese, and I thought ESO was turning out better than Swtor, it is exactly the same, Swtor 2.0 great.

Pops_ND_Irish · January 2017

Storage will come later.

AetherSatori · January 2017

I feel a bit like a naughty little kid who's been told that if they don't eat their veggies they can't have any pudding...

SaRuZ · January 2017

Lol. Is anyone really this surprised? They're releasing more cosmetic material to flood the crown store for you dimwits to buy and line their pockets. They're sticking to their "We will never become Pay2Win," by doubly releasing nonsensical items at increasingly expensive prices. The Sims: Tamriel Edition.

Besides, storage in houses completely defeats the concept of banks and bags. Why would you pay to sub for a craft bag if you get storage in housing? Really people? Put down the pipe!

Though give it time. Mark my words, if this is the way they see their consumer and player base(Lol 3% bruh!) then to them we are moneysheep. Imagine that office space. "Steve I just finished that ugly af costume you asked me make for these tards to pay money for, took me a cpl hours."

Oh and that 3% excuse is classic. Next it will be just like Everquest 2 and they add an option to purchase a max level character with gold gear and best set for class. Yeah! "You now have the option to purchase a level 631 Sorcerer that comes with maxed skills ready to morph and gold Sharpened Maelstrom Inferno for the low price of 10,000 crowns!"

SaRuZ · January 2017

AetherSatori wrote: »

I feel a bit like a naughty little kid who's been told that if they don't eat their veggies they can't have any pudding...

You can't have any storage if you don't buy bank space!!!

lillybit · January 2017

I have five characters which are all maxed. All started out as actively played but most are now are so cluttered I'd have a hard time clearing them enough to play.

I guess this puts me in the 3%.

If I create another alt I'm assuming I'll drop out of that 3% (because it'll take time to upgrade - it's at least 60 days to upgrade riding and that's only if I decide to go for storage first).

If I'm honest, the times I've fitted into that group have been few and far between because I don't generally make new alts until all the others are 'done' so I've usually got one that I'm levelling and maxing.

Basing this decision on accounts that are totally maxed is just plain nonsensical.

haute · January 2017

If the inventory system was good, I would not care if the houses have storage or not.

But IMO the game is deliberately designed with so many kinds of materials and no craft bag with an aim to create inconvenience so that players can be pushed to buy bag spaces.

Beardimus · January 2017

Really don't get all the fuss. Honestly don't care about storage in Housing.

Care about a bigger bank yes, bigger carry capacity yep. Which is the same difference, so why the focus on Housing if people.have a ton of alts without maxed out bags!

Spot on ZOS id say, working on statistical data rather than moans.

Agobi · January 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Really don't get all the fuss. Honestly don't care about storage in Housing.

Care about a bigger bank yes, bigger carry capacity yep. Which is the same difference, so why the focus on Housing if people.have a ton of alts without maxed out bags!

Spot on ZOS id say, working on statistical data rather than moans.

Yup,they be reaal smart...why bother what the paying customers want,we gots statistics!

So there! o.O

DPShiro · January 2017

All 12 characters, fully maxed out inventories, bank and horse upgrades. Still need more space.