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ESO breaks new record!!
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »aheck1111_ESO wrote: »aheck1111_ESO wrote: »It does when ZOS' resources are focused on these things rather than on major bug fixes, server performance improvements, major balancing efforts, actual new content, etc.
If it makes you feel better, its not! Since pts went live, there have been multiple 'bugs' in housing, but zenimax have ignored them, and been concentrating more on the balancing side (Which I agree, is just as, if not more important) than fixing really vital aspects of housing, plus, there would be completely different teams of people working on both, so that is kind of irrelevant anyway, they don't employ the same people to take care of everything, they have teams for each individual area of the game, so the people working on housing would have no impact on those working on performance/balance etc.
Yes, but more cosmetic focus=more staff=more resources diverted into that direction. That's not even accounting for the marketing side getting more resources (again shrinking the slice of gameplay development's pie) since this is all tied to the Crown Store.
Regardless, there will always be the same amount of people working in those areas, despite how many extras they employ into other areas before a large update.
This entire update may be focused on houses, but they seem to be far more interested in the balance side anyway, there is literally no reason for people to be annoyed about housing, it has no impact on anyone, especially if you don't plan on buying a house! I honestly wonder whether some players are just annoyed because they cannot afford to buy a Manor, so they are angry and lashing out at the whole update, I really cannot see any other reason for such negativity about it
Most people are happy and excited about the update, so let people be happy, there doesn't always have to be a downer on everything! I was sceptical at first, when I heard that there would be no storage in housing, but now I have tried it out, I love it, its fun and new and exciting! Just be happy that your characters can have a home now, something that people have been asking for since the start of the game, there is no need to be so negative about it, just love it
Cheers! Not sure I was negative, just pointing out a potential answer to the question you posed about how cosmetics could affect someone's game. I LOVE this game; have been registered on this forum since September 2013 during closed beta. I am happy about housing, although am disappointed that they are mostly copy/paste versions of the buildings in the game already and the introduction of more grinding for mats.
I just have concerns that the last 6 months have seen a change in the direction of ZOS and fear that the marketing team is driving the bus now that the Crown Store is seeing such price inflation (6000 for a motif??). Cheers and have a great weekend!
I have also been here since beta, and also disagree with things such as crown crates etc. But I also see things like that, just like housing, as a choice... You don't have to buy them if you don't like them! Maybe the game will take a bad turn, and one day the game will die ofc, but for now I am just enjoying it for what it is, and for me, housing is the most exciting update in a long time!
Also, I am glad that housing is more on the cosmetic side, if they added too many benefits, it would be verging on 'pay to win' seeing as people who have too much time to spare or too much money to burn would be at an advantage, and that really would be going in the wrong direction!
True I also like its more cosmetic than a P2W feature, guess alot of us returning players will just have to save up for a couple months to get the mansion I guess.
Meh, the mansions are overrated imo, some of the larger houses are much nicer
Yeah I might have to look at the large houses first and decide if I really want to save for a manor, the manors might actually just be the guild houses from the looks of it, IE: Guild ships in Swtor.1 -
robertthebard✭✭✭✭✭Can't wait until the Update 14 announcement and PTS.
Join us in April for the next chapter of "Pitchforks and outrage because this isn't what I personally wanted!"
Housing could certainly use some more functionality. But they do, like all businesses, have deadlines. These new things don't magically appear.
@JD2013
I understand this friend.... But they basically implied on ESO live that housing will be cosmetic and no... No storage will be added now or ever... That why everyone is upset...
They weren't going to keep going over and updating old content ... Then 1T happened.
There were no plans for RNG boxes ..... we know how that went.
There were no plans to have Vvardenfell in game ... Now there's a map and a ton of datamined stuff.
Plans are changeable.Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »aheck1111_ESO wrote: »It does when ZOS' resources are focused on these things rather than on major bug fixes, server performance improvements, major balancing efforts, actual new content, etc.
If it makes you feel better, its not! Since pts went live, there have been multiple 'bugs' in housing, but zenimax have ignored them, and been concentrating more on the balancing side (Which I agree, is just as, if not more important) than fixing really vital aspects of housing, plus, there would be completely different teams of people working on both, so that is kind of irrelevant anyway, they don't employ the same people to take care of everything, they have teams for each individual area of the game, so the people working on housing would have no impact on those working on performance/balance etc.
Yes, but more cosmetic focus=more staff=more resources diverted into that direction. That's not even accounting for the marketing side getting more resources (again shrinking the slice of gameplay development's pie) since this is all tied to the Crown Store.
Regardless, there will always be the same amount of people working in those areas, despite how many extras they employ into other areas before a large update.
This entire update may be focused on houses, but they seem to be far more interested in the balance side anyway, there is literally no reason for people to be annoyed about housing, it has no impact on anyone, especially if you don't plan on buying a house! I honestly wonder whether some players are just annoyed because they cannot afford to buy a Manor, so they are angry and lashing out at the whole update, I really cannot see any other reason for such negativity about it
Most people are happy and excited about the update, so let people be happy, there doesn't always have to be a downer on everything! I was sceptical at first, when I heard that there would be no storage in housing, but now I have tried it out, I love it, its fun and new and exciting! Just be happy that your characters can have a home now, something that people have been asking for since the start of the game, there is no need to be so negative about it, just love it
If this continues down the same road as Swtor did, which it is right now and going to they're will be no more content basically in the future. Look at the last content which Swtor put out 2 Single player Chapters which take about 1 hour to beat each nearly, no new raids, no new instances for 2 years.
My honest opinion is that everyone is being a little melodramatic about something which affects nobody in any way, apart from making (obviously not all) people happy
True, but it just seems like ESO is taking a turn for the worst imo. Most of the recent content has been off the Crown shop hasn't it ?
Update 12 (1T) free massive base game change.
Update 13 (Homestead) free base game content.
It's content whether or not it's content you want.
ESO seems to have a player base that views everything through rose colored glasses.
So the poster you quoted made all that stuff up, and it never happened?0 -
Mitoice✭✭✭✭✭If they keep concentrating on cosmetics... You can say goodbye to:
Jewelcrafting
Spellcrafting
New zones and raids
Vvanderfell
ANY change to PVP
Fixes to lag and bugs
Battlegrounds
All of these changes were put on the someday list thanks to cosmetic changes like housing...
Crown crates.. motifs...and most of them were announced since day 1....
Vvanderfell, and battlegrounds were announced to be released last year.... Ohh well then its a cosmetic game from now on... *Sigh*
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Molydeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Honestly, and I may catch flack for this, but I don't think houses should have all the functionality of a city. I feel that they should be mostly cosmetic fluff. The last thing I'd want to see in this game are houses that cover every need a player might have, leaving players with little reason to go out into the world or to visit cities. Right now the world is lively and filled with people, but if you add too much functionality to houses they could potentially become like mini-planes with all services, and the game world at large could become depopulated.3 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well you guys heard what ZOS said: spend your gold/crowns on backpack and bank upgrades instead
"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Tapio75✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, i would love hpousing be bit more than just cosmetic beauty in the future. Perphaps an area which gives boosted rest xp if you logoff there, crafting upgrades.. Servants, family members, bodyguards, pets..
One "fun" aspect could be burglars randomly and rarely appear in stealth and if you are lucky upou catch them
In migger huses, manor etc, perphaps bandit attack someties.
All these as fully optional ofcourse >>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<1 -
JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If they keep concentrating on cosmetics... You can say goodbye to:
Jewelcrafting
Spellcrafting
New zones and raids
Vvanderfell
ANY change to PVP
Fixes to lag and bugs
Battlegrounds
All of these changes were put on the someday list thanks to cosmetic changes like housing...
Crown crates.. motifs...and most of them were announced since day 1....
Vvanderfell, and battlegrounds were announced to be released last year.... Ohh well then its a cosmetic game from now on... *Sigh*
Vvardenfell has not been officially announced.
Battlegrounds/Arenas "We will be taking about those next year" (2017)
Sweetrolls for all!
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭You will see as I saw it on the PTS... Without any incentive to return to your home..... You will be very pleased with your home the first month... After that?? You will be returning to your house once a month at best....
Sounds great, better than most of the other dlc that I was pleased with the first month and then NEVER returned to ever. IC being the exception.
Btw none of the games you listed have ALL the features on your functionality list.
Your whine post is failing hard bro...0 -
Mitoice✭✭✭✭✭You will see as I saw it on the PTS... Without any incentive to return to your home..... You will be very pleased with your home the first month... After that?? You will be returning to your house once a month at best....
Sounds great, better than most of the other dlc that I was pleased with the first month and then NEVER returned to ever. IC being the exception.
Btw none of the games you listed have ALL the features on your functionality list.
Your whine post is failing hard bro...
@Dredlord
Where did I say it had all the functions i listed??? Someone asked about an example of functionality and i answered....
i said it had MORE than this...
And yea... I can see my whining post failing....that whenever i enter the forums I see at least 10 post whining about this and this post is on the top trending.....so yea.. right, its hard to notice when u dont know how to read
Edited by Mitoice on January 28, 2017 1:49AM0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If they keep concentrating on cosmetics... You can say goodbye to:
Jewelcrafting
Spellcrafting
New zones and raids
Vvanderfell
ANY change to PVP
Fixes to lag and bugs
Battlegrounds
All of these changes were put on the someday list thanks to cosmetic changes like housing...
Crown crates.. motifs...and most of them were announced since day 1....
Vvanderfell, and battlegrounds were announced to be released last year.... Ohh well then its a cosmetic game from now on... *Sigh*
Vvardenfell has not been officially announced.
Battlegrounds/Arenas "We will be taking about those next year" (2017)
That's what Swtor said back in 2015-2016, still not happening in 2017.1 -
Gothren✭✭✭✭✭who cares about housing? you litteraly have your own real life house to decorate anyway.0 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭You will see as I saw it on the PTS... Without any incentive to return to your home..... You will be very pleased with your home the first month... After that?? You will be returning to your house once a month at best....
Sounds great, better than most of the other dlc that I was pleased with the first month and then NEVER returned to ever. IC being the exception.
Btw none of the games you listed have ALL the features on your functionality list.
Your whine post is failing hard bro...
@Dredlord
Where did I say it had all the functions i listed??? Someone asked about an example of functionality and i answered....
i said it had MORE than this...
And yea... I can see my whining post failing....that whenever i enter the forums I see at least 10 post whining about this and this post is on the top trending.....so yea.. right, its hard to notice when u dont know how to read
Yeah the biggest reem jobs always trend the hardest, people just cant help but slow down to look at a train wreck...
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SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭'Functionality' as you define was not the aim of the developers (i'm sure it will eventually come) but rather collecting and decorating, which actually looks to be massive.
Although this patch isn't exactly for me i expect it to be a massive success. *** ton of room to expand on an already almost unlimited system.Edited by SanTii.92 on January 28, 2017 3:18AMWhen the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I hace played a LOT of games with housing since Ultima Online.... And this is the first game (MMO or single player) without functional housing....
Wow (garrison)
SWTOR
Guild Wars
Fallout
Ultima Online
Final Fantasy
Minecraft
Even Daggerfall which was developed in the 90s had functional housing....
Soo this is a first and new record!!
FIRST COSMETIC ONLY HOUSING CONGRATS!!!!!! AND THE BEST OF ALL.... ITS OUR FAULT
WoW garrison is functional housing? That's not how I hear people tell it.
Also, I don't know how well you recall housing in Daggerfall, but I remember storage as leaving piles of items on the floor.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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✭✭andreasranasen wrote: »I'm just here for the little sheep to come in and defend zos.
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DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Somebody once said something to the effect of: "Your endgame is not everone else's endgame."
And I think that applies here. Housing is very functional for some players. And I hold out hope it will BECOME more functional for the rest of us as time goes on.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
Tadhg_Longhouse✭✭✭Perhaps I am way out of line here, but you can put assistants in your house. This would mean you can access your bank storage and merchant/repairs from home. You have hirelings for daily material delivery, so a garden is kind of redundant. Would it be cool if your hirelings were able to be placed so they were 'collecting' the materials at your house? Sure! Maybe that's an idea for the future.
I just don't see what the fuss is about, we are getting player housing without having to fork out cash. If you want some of the functionality then you need to pay for those things, but that seems pretty fair to me. Free cosmetic DLC: pay for functionality.Tadhg Longhouse
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If the housing would offer more value and functionality - people whould whine about the game being P2W, because you can buy houses in cash shop. Heck, people already whine about expensive mounts and cosmetics, which have no function other than to massage one's ego.who cares about housing? you litteraly have your own real life house to decorate anyway.
Exactly. And if what I hear about cash shop furniture prices is true, decorating your real life house is cheaper as well
If you wanna get mad at ZOS, get mad at them for wasting resources on housing instead of allocating budget/workhours into fixing the many issues this game has. Like, you know, optimizing the damn client to take advantage of modern multi-core CPUs.Edited by manaek05rwb17_ESO on January 28, 2017 9:27AM0 -
Vipstaakki✭✭✭✭✭
✭You just find a way to complain about each and every update in one way or another don't you?
It must be terrible to live a life where you are never satisfied with yourself or with those around you.
You know what i hate in ESO the most?
The group mentality of constant whining.
You seriously think whining makes you wolves among the sheep?
NO, whining makes you crybabies among adults.
There are so many ways they could have botched housing up. What we got is fantastic.Edited by Vipstaakki on January 28, 2017 10:06AM0 -
Agobi✭✭✭✭✭
✭aheck1111_ESO wrote: »But ohh well... This will become Cosmetic Scrolls Online: Housing limited
Does it affect you game if it does? So what if people like to decorate their houses and have fun with that, does that affect your game? If you don't like it, don't buy one, its simple...
They have hinted at adding more to housing in the future, so if you don't like the housing as it is, then wait and see what they add later on. Nobody is forcing you to buy a house, but there is no need to complain about them if they don't interest you anyway... Many people (including myself) are very excited for this update, even without any perks. What satisfies one kind of player will not satisfy another, and that is fine... I have friends who have never been to pvp, have never set foot inside maelstrom, because they don't find fun in those things, but they don't find the need to complain about these parts of the game, everyone is different and housing is optional
It does when ZOS' resources are focused on these things rather than on major bug fixes, server performance improvements, major balancing efforts, actual new content, etc.
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Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭I see no incentive to get a house. Unless they implement some actual functionality beyond sitting in chairs LOL.0
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negbert✭✭✭✭I'm going to spend my time collecting crafting recipes to put decorative items in the house that I have spent time to collect enough gold to buy. Isn't that the whole point?
There are crafting stations and the bank for the rest.0 -
Sigma957✭✭✭✭✭I find the crafting side of things enjoyable and making my own furniture regardless of its functionality will take time to do and I don't expect to finish my house in a day let alone a week or even a month. Then there will be master writs to do so I can those attunable crafting stations, so much to do and all the time in the world to do it 1 -
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✭@Sigtric
Define functionality???
_Storage
_Gardening to plant and get columbine for example
_Shops
_Fixing your gear
_Hand made lake to fish
_mine to gather ore
_Barbershop
_increase gained xp for staying in your house for x time
_Weapon racks
_Daily quest givers
The list goes on and on......
There a ton of ways to add functionality
Right now... Theres no incentive to return to your house, once youve decorated it
Just because it doesn't have some very specific things you want doesn't mean it's not functional. It has function I will be utilizing. Crating tables and dps dummies.
Could it use more? Sure. I'd love to have more. Your hyperbole is lacking in effort however.
@Sigtric
Hyperbole??
Then enlighten us.... Which game provides housing with less functionality than this game????
Oh god id love to hear how you defend this one....
I also didn't say there were games that had less. You said "without functional housing" which is absolutely false. This is all I was speaking too.
I agree the system needs some further additions to be full fledged. I don't agree with your lying to validate your feelings on the matter.
Also I googled hyperbole for you http://dictionary.kids.net.au/word/hyperbole
ouch...Australian Kids Dictionary...awesomely funny... you have a wicked sense of humour0 -
Waseem✭✭✭✭✭
✭Housing without added storage is plain bad... Its impossible for non eso+ to manage storage.. Most people on forum are totally unaware of whats coming.. So wait and see..
. And i am waiting for those non eso+ who like housing as it is to start their cry on storage 1 hour after patch goes live..
Zenimax will teach you a lesson for not subscribing to eso+,and defending housing without storage
it will not be "pay to win" but the gap will be so wide between subscribers and non subscribers(thanks to limited storage) that it will no longer be comfortable to manage inventory
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GrafDresche✭✭✭Well at least it is also the most expensive housing in an MMO. So hooray! Two records! Congrats, ZOS!Edited by GrafDresche on January 28, 2017 11:21AM0 -
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✭✭@Sigtric
Define functionality???
_Storage
_Gardening to plant and get columbine for example
_Shops
_Fixing your gear
_Hand made lake to fish
_mine to gather ore
_Barbershop
_increase gained xp for staying in your house for x time
_Weapon racks
_Daily quest givers
The list goes on and on......
There a ton of ways to add functionality
Right now... Theres no incentive to return to your house, once youve decorated it
I don't want half that stuff... well maybe a fishing pond but the house I'm looking at has one just outside so... don't care really
I want a gorgeouse home where I can craft potions, make set items and generally lurk, homestead gives me all of that
Shops.... why would a business owner set up a shop that only one person and their mates can use?
Gardening.... err so so on this, I want a decorative garden, alchemy mats pile up so fast I have a job to sell the dam stuff
Storage.... it would be nice to be able to have display dummies and such but beyond that how much do space can you use?
Fixing your gear... I do daily crafting writs, I've got so many grand repair kits from them I dump the surplus in guild banks
Mine to gather ore... lmao!!! Two words.... starter islands. Besides who builds their secrete lair/ pleasure palace on top of a mine
Extra xp for sitting in a house... you must be joking, this game doals out xp by the bucket
Weapon racks... that would be nice, they may do it at some point but if they don't I'm easy about it
Daily quest givers... no, there are quite enough of those little buggers at the moment
Also the more functionality that drains into homes the less people there will be in the cities, one tamriel did wonders for city and town traffic and I for one don't want to see that vanish behind closed doors3 -
KimoBitz✭✭✭I hace played a LOT of games with housing since Ultima Online.... And this is the first game (MMO or single player) without functional housing....
Wow (garrison)
SWTOR
Guild Wars
Fallout
Ultima Online
Final Fantasy
Minecraft
Even Daggerfall which was developed in the 90s had functional housing....
Soo this is a first and new record!!
FIRST COSMETIC ONLY HOUSING CONGRATS!!!!!! AND THE BEST OF ALL.... ITS OUR FAULT
ZOS should consider adding resting XP0
