Storage wasn't added cause only 3% of the active player base has max upgraded their bags and bank!

Zepiroth · January 2017

Just flew over this thread... This sounds to fake to be true.. Just what kind of argument is this? I'm speechless

[Edited for Political commentary]

Kendo12 · January 2017

What a BS excuse! haha ZO$ is getting worse by the minute and I already cancelled my sub when I saw the house prices LOL

FleetwoodSmack · January 2017

Ackwalan wrote: »

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Please remember to keep your comments constructive and civil. You can disagree without resorting to insulting others.

Fairly certain that it is ZOS insulting the players (customer) with this stat.

I have to agree with this.

Grunim · January 2017

My heart sunk when I watched this segment on ESO Live.

Were they telling me that I am partially to blame that we are not getting additional ways to store items just because I am part of the 97% who has not maximized my bag space on every character slot I have?

This post is my formal apology that one of my alt characters has only a max inventory of 170 slots including maxing out horse training for this character.

I am so so sorry and I am not being sarcastic in the least.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

Preyfar wrote: »

So, basically, ZOS is outright saying they hate their hardcore fans.

Not just hardcore, but average player base as well

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

Preyfar wrote: »

So, basically, ZOS is outright saying they hate their hardcore fans.

You're pushing it too far.
"Hardcore" fans hate to be reminded that they are the minority but they should be aware of it.
The core mechanics of the game are designed for everyone. I think it makes sense that they're tailored around the majority. In the case of storage, there are two mechanics attached : the bag extension in crowns and the bag extension in gold. The first one is direct income for ZOS. The second one is a gold sink and also a mean to retain players by "forcing" them to log in daily to feed horses.
If the majority of the playerbase had been done with either of those mechanics, they'd probably have considered storage, but that's not the case.
And not to forget that they won't want to devalue the crafting bar.

That being said, I don't think it was very clever from ZOS to "explain" it that way. It makes their "7 million accounts" look like dead accounts to 95%...

CromulentForumID · January 2017

Soella wrote: »

For a change, I completely agree with ZOS - if only 3% of players maxed out their storage it means no need to simply increase storage. If you have not maxed it means you don't want storage, you want FREE storage - which is completely different requirement, and honestly I don't see why it has to be fulfilled.

Another story is additional storage you pay for, I'd really would like to be able to craft wardrobe/weapon rack with crafting price similar or even higher than target dummy.

I am pretty sure most players in this thread and others are arguing about the complete lack of storage availability and not demanding that it is also free.

In this very thread you have people stating they would be fine with a crown cost. I am pretty sure players have also stated that they would be fine purchasing the storage with game gold.

I for one would prefer housing storage over storage on another character. I can jump to my house to grab my stuff instead of logging out. I would pay for that convenience. I don't think it should be some kind of litmus test to see if I maximized all of my inconvenient storage first before I can want the more convenient version.

Vyle_Byte · January 2017

Sorry ZOS Im not paying that much in game gold OR real life money for max storage. Bank I stopped at 75k. I refuse to pay another 80k just for 10 more slots. You wanna blame the community for not maxing out storage on bank and characters... some people have 12 characters. I don't really wanna figure the math there but holy crap that's a ton of gold. Nah man don't pin this on us.

DenMoria · January 2017

Kendaric wrote: »

Wait.. did they honestly explain the lack of storage for houses with people not upgrading their bank/inventory? Or did I misinterpret this?

Nope. That is exactly the explanation. Because we did not waste thousand of crowns on upgrading our bank and packs to their max, we obviously do not need any storage.

DannyLV702 · January 2017

Lol how do these people get hired?

Valen_Byte · January 2017

Zo$ stopped doing anything for the community when the crown store came out. You can buy storage with crows/real money, so that is the REAL reason we wont get it in housing. Unless ofc they add a storage "chest" of some kind to put in your house that you can only buy with crowns. Thanks Zo$

DenMoria · January 2017

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Zo$ stopped doing anything for the community when the crown store came out. You can buy storage with crows/real money, so that is the REAL reason we wont get it in housing. Unless ofc they add a storage "chest" of some kind to put in your house that you can only buy with crowns. Thanks Zo$

You can buy a lot of stuff in the Crown Store. I don't want any of it and have so many crowns that I don't know what to do with ('cause I'm still subscribing), but, still... you can buy a lot of stuff in the crown store.

Oyaban_Kyuubi · January 2017

Lol if this is why they aren't making house storage that's sad... I have 6/8 of my base characters 1/8 of that is My crafting character 2/8 of that is my Secondary which is a NB tank and my Tertiary which will be a DK trial tank. The other 3/8 which will be eventually 5/8 of that is going to be Thief characters made specifically to get my Crafter more money to even upgrade his bank and inventory both sitting at 110/110 respectively

Id love to max out the storage space for everyone I really would but to have to make 5 alts to max out the storage space of 1 character is a bit obscene

If they want everyone to max out every character they need to make it so the upgrades are cheaper in game. I haven't even gotten a Mount yet because of how much money I need to put into maxing out my Storage.

Preyfar · January 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

So, basically, ZOS is outright saying they hate their hardcore fans.

You're pushing it too far.
"Hardcore" fans hate to be reminded that they are the minority but they should be aware of it.

No. No I'm not.

It's the hardcore fans who really push the envelope of a game, who create videos that go in-depth to game mechanics, show strategies, offer advice, create websites, work on social networks and help promote the game. Word of mouth is very strong, and it's often the the hardcore players who create the communities, massive guilds and do a lot of work to create bonds which keep players in game. The hardcore players are those few souls who craft gear for free for guildies, who help others run dungeons after they're tired of running it 100+ times because of lack of content.

And we're being told that because most players DON'T upgrade all their gear it's impossible for use to get even a small addition to our bank space? We're the people who create theory builds, test armor and go above and beyond. Yeah, we're not the average player base, but we're also not asking for a lot. We're just asking for more storage.

It's disrespectful to be told that we can't have more storage because most players don't upgrade and max out their storage. Do you know WHY we have so much gear? Because ZOS made almost every set worth getting bind on pickup. We don't want to carrying around a crapload of gear, but it's not like we can easily get it back if we sell or deconn it. No, I really DON'T want to rerun every trial 20-30 times in the hopes of rebuilding a set if I need it.

ZOS created this problem. Now we're being told it's the other players who are at fault because we can't have nice things.

I like ZOS, I do, and they made a really great game that I love to support... but this is flat out insulting.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

as you can see almost 1/3 of the people that started the game abandoned the game soon after leaving the tutorial and more than half before chapter 2.

You're making a lot of assumptions there. If someone didn't complete a chapter in the main quest, that doesn't mean that they abandoned the game. It just means that they didn't do the main quest. Maybe they didn't care for it and they just wanted to explore all of the zones. Maybe they just wanted to run dungeons. Maybe they just wanted to PVP. Maybe they just haven't gotten around to it yet.

@UrQuan

Only 12.1% of people achieved the rank of recruit. Isn't that the rank you get just by stepping into Cyrodiil? Only 12% have captured a keep/lumber mill or mine, yet it's one of the easiest and most natural achievements you can earn. I got it before getting my first kill.

Not completely disagreeing with you, but due to the delves percentages being around the 1.3 - 0.2% mark, I highly doubt 60-odd percent of people are now running around doing other things. The lvl 50 stat (12.3%) also says not many of those people hung around for any great length of time

Valen_Byte · January 2017

DenMoria wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Zo$ stopped doing anything for the community when the crown store came out. You can buy storage with crows/real money, so that is the REAL reason we wont get it in housing. Unless ofc they add a storage "chest" of some kind to put in your house that you can only buy with crowns. Thanks Zo$

You can buy a lot of stuff in the Crown Store. I don't want any of it and have so many crowns that I don't know what to do with ('cause I'm still subscribing), but, still... you can buy a lot of stuff in the crown store.

Ya I know. My point is, if its in the crown store, they wont just give it to us. ie storage

UrQuan · January 2017

Valen_Byte wrote: »

You can buy storage with crows/real money,

runs off to collect all of the crows that are always hanging around my neighborhood...

What's that? That was just a typo? Well what the hell am I supposed to do with all of these crows?

Xsorus · January 2017

I've got multiple characters maxed and 4 that aren't.. because they're entirely storage mules for gear and nothing more.

UrQuan · January 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

as you can see almost 1/3 of the people that started the game abandoned the game soon after leaving the tutorial and more than half before chapter 2.

You're making a lot of assumptions there. If someone didn't complete a chapter in the main quest, that doesn't mean that they abandoned the game. It just means that they didn't do the main quest. Maybe they didn't care for it and they just wanted to explore all of the zones. Maybe they just wanted to run dungeons. Maybe they just wanted to PVP. Maybe they just haven't gotten around to it yet.

@ UrQuan

Only 12.1% of people achieved the rank of recruit. Isn't that the rank you get just by stepping into Cyrodiil? Only 12% have captured a keep/lumber mill or mine, yet it's one of the easiest and most natural achievements you can earn. I got it before getting my first kill.

Not completely disagreeing with you, but due to the delves percentages being around the 1.3 - 0.2% mark, I highly doubt 60-odd percent of people are now running around doing other things. The lvl 50 stat (12.3%) also says not many of those people hung around for any great length of time

Of course they're not all running around doing other things. The point is you really can't use those statistics for anything at all other than exactly what they show - or at least not without a lot more different data points that you simply don't have access to. For the record, I'm saying that as a professional. I do risk-based statistical analysis for a living.

Magus · January 2017

At the very least, add a freaking furniture bag for housing. That's the middle ground. Going to not give us any inventory space AND then give us furniture that doesn't stack and takes up our inventory. That's just rude.

Grabmoore · January 2017

8/8 chars, more to come, all of them with maxed inventory and a maxed bank. Even with ESO Plus i still have space issues....

#JeSuis3%

Daraugh · January 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

You can buy storage with crows/real money,

runs off to collect all of the crows that are always hanging around my neighborhood...

What's that? That was just a typo? Well what the hell am I supposed to do with all of these crows?

Send them to The GoT scenery crew?

FleetwoodSmack · January 2017

Preyfar wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

So, basically, ZOS is outright saying they hate their hardcore fans.

You're pushing it too far.
"Hardcore" fans hate to be reminded that they are the minority but they should be aware of it.

No. No I'm not.

It's the hardcore fans who really push the envelope of a game, who create videos that go in-depth to game mechanics, show strategies, offer advice, create websites, work on social networks and help promote the game. Word of mouth is very strong, and it's often the the hardcore players who create the communities, massive guilds and do a lot of work to create bonds which keep players in game. The hardcore players are those few souls who craft gear for free for guildies, who help others run dungeons after they're tired of running it 100+ times because of lack of content.

And we're being told that because most players DON'T upgrade all their gear it's impossible for use to get even a small addition to our bank space? We're the people who create theory builds, test armor and go above and beyond. Yeah, we're not the average player base, but we're also not asking for a lot. We're just asking for more storage.

It's disrespectful to be told that we can't have more storage because most players don't upgrade and max out their storage. Do you know WHY we have so much gear? Because ZOS made almost every set worth getting bind on pickup. We don't want to carrying around a crapload of gear, but it's not like we can easily get it back if we sell or deconn it. No, I really DON'T want to rerun every trial 20-30 times in the hopes of rebuilding a set if I need it.

ZOS created this problem. Now we're being told it's the other players who are at fault because we can't have nice things.

I like ZOS, I do, and they made a really great game that I love to support... but this is flat out insulting.

It's not just insulting, but it's fairly laughable to even consider. They want us to be constructive, they should be doing the same. Yet all channels of dialogue are closed and so we have to pretty much make a big fuss to even get heard. Even if we max out the storage and sub for the crafting bag; That's STILL a lot of sets to cover. Mules isn't a solution.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom it's time that official dialogue be opened between developers and the player base.

engramz · January 2017

9 characters, 8 are mules. Spend most of my gold on space upgrades, prioritise horse space over speed or stamina, and spend more time with inventory management than actually playing the game.

DHale · January 2017

How about we upgrade our bag space. It's supply and demand. You want storage without any effort or sacrifice. Get over it. You could have already maxed your bag space in the time it took you to write the forum post.

sirston · January 2017

its all Horker-excrement, the fact they make things up like that so they don't have to make a 4th bank slot or a new slot for us to store Items. If they offer it from crowns they are really being mis managed. And would argue there being worse then EA.

sirston · January 2017

DHale wrote: »

How about we upgrade our bag space. It's supply and demand. You want storage without any effort or sacrifice. Get over it. You could have already maxed your bag space in the time it took you to write the forum post.

you are more then welcome to give me 2 Million gold for upgrades for space in my charc's.

S1ipperyJim · January 2017

ZOS "alternative facts"

baratron · January 2017

I have 6 characters that I play plus 2 mules. All with 200 slots.
I have a 240 slot personal bank.
I have my ESO Plus Crafting Bag.
I belong to a small guild of friends who share items in our Guild Bank.

...and I spend 2-4 hours per week playing Inventory Management Online instead of Elder Scrolls Online, thanks to all the Bind on Pickup sets which were introduced in Update 12.

Some sets, I can trade to group members or throw out immediately. (I mean, Undaunted Bastion? Noble Duelist?!). Some sets, I can trade or throw out duplicate pieces, or pieces with bad traits. Other sets, I collect in case they are useful one day.

And all of those sets take up space in my personal bank and on my mule characters.

The question shouldn't be "how many players have never upgraded their storage space?" but "what is the average storage capacity of a Level 50 character?".

Curragraigue · January 2017

Maxed bank, maxed bag inventory on 12 characters, maxed horse bag on 8 almost 9 and crown store bag. Storage in a house would still help or increase personal bank space. You added a whole of new sets with 1Tam but didn't increase inventory options.