Twice Born Star set

SickDuck · January 2017

Nefaras wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

*** no. i would quit game if 3 of my toons gear was suddenly worthless.

have you read natch potes? Pretty sure twice born star is after patch not bis anymore.

It's still gonna be a good set. It doesn't have to be thief+shadow for everyone.

Nefaras · January 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Nefaras wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

*** no. i would quit game if 3 of my toons gear was suddenly worthless.

have you read natch potes? Pretty sure twice born star is after patch not bis anymore.

Wut cuz of the crit modifiers being slightly reduced?

@Waffennacht
I couldnt test it myself but its hard to know the truth when nearly every person here say something different

Sureshawt · January 2017

Agreed. This change is overdue.

Derra · January 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

As I wrote earlier in this thread this exploit is doable due to the usage of addons. Without addons this exploit is no possible to execute. The most "simple" solution would be to forbid the usage of addons. ZOS should instead create their own addons to the game that can´t be used to exploit stuff in game.

Addons have nothing to do with that. Uninformed opinion is uninformed.

Ashtaris · January 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

As I wrote earlier in this thread this exploit is doable due to the usage of addons. Without addons this exploit is no possible to execute. The most "simple" solution would be to forbid the usage of addons. ZOS should instead create their own addons to the game that can´t be used to exploit stuff in game.

Sorry, but that's just a really bad idea. There are a LOT of extremely usefull add-ons out there that have nothing to do with exploiting the game. You want to ban all those also? And ZOS certainly doesn't have the resources to recreate all those add-ons in game. What really needs to happen is that ZOS starts a ZERO tollerance policy on cheaters and exploiters, doing permanent bans on those who used the TBS, vMOL, and Cheat Engine exploits. If they don't, then the next exploit is just around the corner and people will use it.

CombatPrayer · January 2017

Agree as well. It's a garbage set if they don't do this for the most part given the nerf to shadow (for those that used it for these thief and shadow - most people I think). I think there should be an option to have the same mundus twice. Not making it mandatory but so that your second stone could be the same one if you wish.

It's a freaking 9 trait set. 9 trait sets should at bare minimum be excellent options if you want to do 2 five pieces. So many of the crafted sets are subpar anyway. What ESO has done to crafting, considering the time people put into it, by giving so many mediocre sets, is a travesty. Now with war horn changes, even Tava's which was still considered quite good is less impressive.

If I didn't know better I would think they are intent on ruining crafting (clothing and heavy) entirely and making people totally dependent upon drop sets which I believe they will find new ways to nerf or chant as their tactic to keep people playing the game by constantly creating a new need to grind. Actually I do know better. It's exactly what they are doing. It is intentional and deliberate.

willlienellson · January 2017

What isn't exploited in this game?

Seriously, I'm sick and tired of legitimate things being broken while the list of exploitable things seems to grow.

FOR EXAMPLE: On the PTS you can no longer "backbar" Clever Alchemist. So, a 15 second buff once applied will disappear because you swap weapons. Meanwhile people are glitching out sets like Shadowwalker and Hist Bark to get the buffs from those sets permanently.

This is such an example of the ongoing problem of this game trying to set new rules to try to govern the game while failing to ENFORCE existing rules.

It's like continuing to lower the speed limit from 60mph to 50mph to 40mph because people will not stop speeding 90mph. Just enforce the speed limit. Stop punishing people that are following the rules!

Waffennacht · January 2017

willlienellson wrote: »

What isn't exploited in this game?

Seriously, I'm sick and tired of legitimate things being broken while the list of exploitable things seems to grow.

FOR EXAMPLE: On the PTS you can no longer "backbar" Clever Alchemist. So, a 15 second buff once applied will disappear because you swap weapons. Meanwhile people are glitching out sets like Shadowwalker and Hist Bark to get the buffs from those sets permanently.

This is such an example of the ongoing problem of this game trying to set new rules to try to govern the game while failing to ENFORCE existing rules.

It's like continuing to lower the speed limit from 60mph to 50mph to 40mph because people will not stop speeding 90mph. Just enforce the speed limit. Stop punishing people that are following the rules!

Wait.............. Wait

WAIT

Did you just say if you only have x5 of a set on one bar you will lose the timed buff if you switch to a bar that doesn't have the x5 set?

That like destroys alchemist and Transmutation and im sure there is a stamina set that does something too!

willlienellson · January 2017

unhander_2 wrote: »

Did you just say if you only have x5 of a set on one bar you will lose the timed buff if you switch to a bar that doesn't have the x5 set?

I only tested Clever Alch, but you are correct. That was the result of my test.

IMPORTANT NOTE: The character sheet still shows the buff, but the damage drops.

METHOD:
I removed all armor and weapons except 5 pieces of clever alch, and recorded the wep damage on character sheet after the proc and the damage on the training dummy.

I then repeated the process switching to a identical (quality/trait/level) non-set item and recorded the wep damage stat and actual damage.

The wep damage on the character sheet remained the same but the actual damage was cut in HALF.

Akimbro · January 2017

Yes. It'll solve the annoying issue of losing your second mundus too from swapping gear.

Pangnirtung · January 2017

By the prevailing logic in this thread, eliminate PVP because it is broken.

I am 100% fine with that.

covenant_merchant · January 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

As I wrote earlier in this thread this exploit is doable due to the usage of addons. Without addons this exploit is no possible to execute. The most "simple" solution would be to forbid the usage of addons. ZOS should instead create their own addons to the game that can´t be used to exploit stuff in game.

You don't need add-ons to do it... There are 3 different ways to exploit TBS atm and only one of them requires add-ons.
The one which most players use however, does not. Just look at the amount of TBS weapons in guild stores for check.

Eejit1331 · January 2017

While we are at making changes can we please have an impenetrable mundus stone.
Thanks for any consideration

Waffennacht · January 2017

So has anyone else tested to see if timed buffs remain active on other sets yet?

Not to interrupt the memes and personal requests but this seems more important

Nifty2g · January 2017

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Wow this might be the worst idea ever.

Twice Born Star is perfect how it is, the only change it ever needed was from the 2, 3, and 4 pieces being recovery to max stats.

Lets ban exploiters instead eh? Maybe people will take cheating seriously than.

Well they finally fixed the reason twice born star was even good with shadow being multiplicative with warhorn, so there is no real need to use the set anymore for raids.
A change like suggested would be a pretty good change I think.

lustdog · January 2017

agree! rework this set!

StackonClown · January 2017

covenant_merchant wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

As I wrote earlier in this thread this exploit is doable due to the usage of addons. Without addons this exploit is no possible to execute. The most "simple" solution would be to forbid the usage of addons. ZOS should instead create their own addons to the game that can´t be used to exploit stuff in game.

You don't need add-ons to do it... There are 3 different ways to exploit TBS atm and only one of them requires add-ons.
The one which most players use however, does not. Just look at the amount of TBS weapons in guild stores for check.

>There are 3 different ways to exploit TBS atm<

Well well well... thanks! Covenant for some meaningful information!

I find it staggering that Zeni has so far remained silent on this yet is busy trying to sell motifs for 6000 crowns ?!?!

@Zeni, hello?? I know you read this since you very swiftly remove unacceptable posts...

Wow, just wow...

the_man_of_steal · January 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Change how this set works. As we all know this set has been abused many times to exploit Mundus stones. Now...
Instead of giving 2 Mundus Stones make it so that it buffs your current Mundus stone by 50% for example.

Voila, no more mundus exploits. And this change is needed as ZOS just changed how UI works and we can NOT even see anymore if enemies use double mundus exploits or not.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Completely disagree... Note: I DO NOT OWN ANY TBS and play on PS4

TBS should be BIS or close to BIS due to it being 9 traits. Stop killing master crafters!

xblackroxe · January 2017

the_man_of_steal wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Change how this set works. As we all know this set has been abused many times to exploit Mundus stones. Now...
Instead of giving 2 Mundus Stones make it so that it buffs your current Mundus stone by 50% for example.

Voila, no more mundus exploits. And this change is needed as ZOS just changed how UI works and we can NOT even see anymore if enemies use double mundus exploits or not.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Completely disagree... Note: I DO NOT OWN ANY TBS and play on PS4

TBS should be BIS or close to BIS due to it being 9 traits. Stop killing master crafters!

First of all thats an example not a YOU MUST CHANGE IT TO THAT. K?

Also TBS isn´t BIS for any class anymore not even now. So in order for that it needs to be changed anyways.

Erasure · January 2017

I have to agree with this. We are losing the ability to see what permanent buffs others will have in PvP, it will be possible to hide exploited Mundus boons from enemy combatants.

The set bonus remains a problem, with a new (or old) method to invoke its special effect outside the intended parameters cropping up every few months.

Rework the set logic. Make it a simple 5 piece which can be removed from the character data safely upon barswap/unequip/death/ whatever else. I don't have suggestions on the best way to rework it to keep with the theme, but there has to be something better than letting people run around with 2 to 12 extra bonuses.

Akimbro · January 2017

the_man_of_steal wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Change how this set works. As we all know this set has been abused many times to exploit Mundus stones. Now...
Instead of giving 2 Mundus Stones make it so that it buffs your current Mundus stone by 50% for example.

Voila, no more mundus exploits. And this change is needed as ZOS just changed how UI works and we can NOT even see anymore if enemies use double mundus exploits or not.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Completely disagree... Note: I DO NOT OWN ANY TBS and play on PS4

TBS should be BIS or close to BIS due to it being 9 traits. Stop killing master crafters!

That's up to ZoS to make crafted gear viable. TBS is definitely not BiS by any means...

olsborg · January 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Change how this set works. As we all know this set has been abused many times to exploit Mundus stones. Now...
Instead of giving 2 Mundus Stones make it so that it buffs your current Mundus stone by 50% for example.

Voila, no more mundus exploits. And this change is needed as ZOS just changed how UI works and we can NOT even see anymore if enemies use double mundus exploits or not.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Not a bad suggestion, however id like to expand that idea. Let everyone have 2x mundus boons, reduce each mundus boon by 20%. TBS set now increases Mundus boons by 50%.

Akimbro · January 2017

olsborg wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Change how this set works. As we all know this set has been abused many times to exploit Mundus stones. Now...
Instead of giving 2 Mundus Stones make it so that it buffs your current Mundus stone by 50% for example.

Voila, no more mundus exploits. And this change is needed as ZOS just changed how UI works and we can NOT even see anymore if enemies use double mundus exploits or not.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Not a bad suggestion, however id like to expand that idea. Let everyone have 2x mundus boons, reduce each mundus boon by 20%. TBS set now increases Mundus boons by 50%.

WOT

Izaki · January 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Nefaras wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

*** no. i would quit game if 3 of my toons gear was suddenly worthless.

have you read natch potes? Pretty sure twice born star is after patch not bis anymore.

Wut cuz of the crit modifiers being slightly reduced?

Not exactly slightly. A tiny bit more than that.

Waffennacht · January 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Nefaras wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

*** no. i would quit game if 3 of my toons gear was suddenly worthless.

have you read natch potes? Pretty sure twice born star is after patch not bis anymore.

Wut cuz of the crit modifiers being slightly reduced?

Not exactly slightly. A tiny bit more than that.

It's so hard getting a straight answer anymore... lol

Mojmir · January 2017

Can we get a thrice born star set now? Lol

Beardimus · January 2017

100% would not want that buff, would wreck the set.

usmcjdking · January 2017

I don't understand how this set is hard to fix. Instead of TBS enabling the ability to pick a second mundus stone, they could easily have it set the second mundus stone ACTIVE meaning when you drop TBS, your second mundus stone simply turns off.

CombatPrayer · January 2017

As a crafter, you begin to wonder why even bother wasting time to get to 9 traits. They either break the sets or they aren't that great to begin with. Master writs were like throwing crafters a bone. After testing, less like a bone and more like a aged and raggy chew toy. So sad.

Shadowshire · January 2017

Kazya wrote: »

I must admit I am kinda concerned... what is the exploit? Reason I ask is simply that I was told to get the set for one of my characters, and did so. Have been using it while leveling her skills etc, though I was honestly not aware of any exploit so is concerned as I would not want to be part of something like that.

That is a very good question: what ARE the "exploits"?? The players declaring in this discussion that the Twice Born Star set can be and is "exploited" do not offer any description which shows that to be a fact. There are also allegations that "add-ons" can be used to exploit the essential TBS feature. But I suppose that such add-ons are not generally available to all of the players who would potentially benefit from them, are they?

For what it might be worth, one of my Sorcerers crafted a Twice-Born Star set of light armor. Given the respective effects of the 5-piece set, TBS is a waste of time and resources for a Sorcerer. With the respective effects of other 2-piece, 3-piece, 4-piece, and 5-piece sets (especially with two sets in combination), a Sorcerer is better off with just the Thief Mundus Stone for its Critical Strike bonus, and the Divines trait on all or at least 4 pieces of armor. As to whether the TBS set is especially suitable for other Classes, I defer to those who have played them with a TBS set equipped.

Frankly, I am weary of reading declarations about abilities and armor sets in which the writer/ranter wants everyone else to assume that they are some sort of expert and that ZOS must "do something". And the suggestions as to what to do often can result in radical changes to the game play in other respects that are rather undesirable.

Or the writer/ranter just assumes that "everyone" knows what they profess to know, and will reach the same conclusion. The truth is that they most likely just have a bias against any Player Character that is significantly superior in one or more traits, abilities, buffs, set-procs, etc. to the ones of the PCs which they have created, geared and buffed.

Accordingly, I humbly suspect that those who are complaining here are Player-vs-Player fans. So far in my experience, I have rarely read any criticism or complaint about a Class, an Ability, or a Set or Weapon Proc, being "over powered" and/or "unbalancing the game" because it improves the likelihood that a PC will survive and prosper in quests, delves, dungeons, and trials. There are, however, some racial passives and at least one armor set which, in combination with other bonuses, give a PC a rather significant competitive advantage while gathering from crafting-material nodes.

So maybe the TBS set should not be allowed to be equipped while a PC is in Cyrodil. Of course, now Dueling is allowed in just about any space that two PCs can occupy in Tamriel (which was not my idea). So, if the TBS set gives your opponent an overwhelming edge, either suck it up or gear your character with one.