Question: Why do people hate the way ESO sustains itself?

Acrolas · January 2017

When I was in Gamestop a week or so ago, one of the employees was complaining because his state college charged him an activity fee when, in his words, "Do I look like I'm ever going to use the gym?"

I told him he shouldn't be complaining about the activity fee, because that covers a broad range of other access and maintenance. Every time he used the pool or a common area, activity fees apply there, too.

I told him he should be complaining because the state college also nickel and dimes him, charging $5 or $10 for other weekend events, every concert or play, every intramural, every workshop. Even a *** university that gets substantial public funding participates in B2P (tuition) plus a subscription (activity fee) plus microtransactions (miscellaneous events).

So it's not just ESO. It's not just video games. More and more entities, both public and private, are using a slow burn marketing system so instead of just a one and done season pass, people wind up spending more money over time without even realizing it. Which, in a world where most people don't have a savings account or even a budget ledger, is predatory commerce.

But we also live in a world where our largest social network is also the most predatory consumer monitor, so we're basically also getting exactly what we've already proven we'll fall for. And as a couple sites have already reminded me today, if I use ad blocker I'm being penalized for using it because their ad partners can't stalk me around the Internet.

So again, not just ZOS or ESO. It's the predatory system that it's just a tiny part of.

Publius_Scipio · January 2017

People complain because they fall for fake news! Fake news that ESO is failing. Fake news that all development is focused on crown store and crown crates and that the rest of the game is being neglected, etc.

corrosivechains · January 2017

if you don't think the prices on fluff items will reflect on how prices will be on future content updates that are arguably necessary to have a complete game experience, you've not been playing these types of games too long. Also high prices actually discourage the purchase of these items. Would you rather have 1 person spending $60, or 20 people spending $5?

Yeah, you may nab that whale, but you're missing that school of salmon.

PS4_ZeColmeia · January 2017

As long as everything is a convenience, I don't care the price. Crown store should be a removal of a hurdle of actually spending time in game so a 6k Dromathra motif makes sense when you see them going for 40k+ in guild stores.

It kinda sucks that the mounts are still climbing in price, but makes me glad I have ESO plus and am just saving crowns for when I really want something.

Elara_Northwind · January 2017

Well, I am going to be buying my house from the crown store, because I would rather spend real money than loose all of the gold I have spent so long acquiring in the game, plus I need some gold to make my house look pretty, and I really couldn't care less what anyone thinks about that...

MEBengalsFan2001 · January 2017

117Dios wrote: »

I am genuinely unable to understand some things. ESO is a B2P title with various bundles and benefits attached to them.
Truth is, a B2P game cannot sustain itself on sales only. So, like any sane company would do, ZOS created the crownstore, where gameplay-irrelevant stuff was put to make you look a bit more shiny. All fun and games.

Then ZOS put the Crown Crates. Gamble mechanism where you can get that shiny stuff and some more, more shiny, things. Alright. Atronach Wolf and Bear seemed cool but I couldn't get myself to buy a couple of those crates because I need money for other stuff.

ZOS steadily releases costumes and motifs. Talking for myself, I'm fine with having only an armor. Heck, for me the Imperial and Nord Heavy are the best things in the game.

ZOS puts housing in. "Awesome!" I think. Let's see some opinions on the forum, maybe I can learn a thing or two about it.
No storage. "Aw, oh well, I guess those couple chars I have and the bank space should suffice anyway." with the optional "I have the craft bag, so all cool for me anyway". Didn't seem that big of a deal to me, so I moved on.
Houses can be bought with crowns. Suddently, uproar. Why is that so? Why are people hating on ZOS putting houses for sale through crowns too?

ZOS puts Name, Race and Appearance change up.
People start complaining about other people that are able to change those features.
"I don't want to change that stuff, why should they?" or "I want to change it too, why isn't it free?"
As far as I've seen, no one actually said that directly, but the underlying message was pretty much what I've written.

I agree that a couple things need improvement. Mainly the horse training needs to be improved and the trading houses need to be a bit more compact, but why are most people so hostile towards ZOS and other players for using money to get game benefits?

Most comment I've read assume that everything in the game should be free and obtainable only through sweating in front of the screen. Entitled, lazy or downright hating players that seek things to go as it pleases them without wanting to do anything in return.

Some time ago, a B2P or P2P model was thought to be a good way to filter toxic behaviours. What happened? Is it some kind of elitism? Do they believe that buying a game and only paying for that will fund the company? Is wanting free stuff and demonizing those that buy it a way to cope for something?
I am really baffled at the complete absence of logic behind that. Or rather, I can't see it, I guess.

Some people may say "It's just a step towards a Pay to Win model."
But what if it isn't, and by acting like spoiled children you are invalidating your opinion if things get messy for real, and you won't be heard for all the useless hassle you caused?
I bought the game and managed to squeeze in the Guilds and Glory pack when it came out. Didn't spend a single cent besides that and I am simply satisfied of what I got. Unless housing is so bad that it somehow destroys my equimenet and my chances at doing anything useful in the game, I don't see why people buying them with real cash is a problem.
If they want to do it, let them.
If they can do it and have the money to buy all the cosmetics then good on him and wish me luck to get to the point of spending numbers with more than 3 zeroes on a game.
If they can't afford it but buy it anyway, it's their problem. I won't spend something on a game if I need it to eat.

Just saying, don't fear change and, if you don't want to earn stuff in game, just pay. Truth is no one is encouraging you to pay. Everybody is allured by shiny and useless stuff. You just don't have to give in.

Well said...I agree with your thoughts exactly.

As a player who plays games that are Pay to Advance (not pay to win because you really don't win anything) I like that Zenimax is focusing on cosmetic and utility items that you don't need to enjoy ESO. For those of us who want them, fork over the money to support the game and get the items you want.

The crates are a way to encourage further spending by placing items into it that we can no longer purchase in the crown store. I like this move as it encourage further spending and when you get an item you already have or ones you do not want, you exchange it for gems that can be used to buy what you do want. I see no issue with this model. Again, this is not Pay to Advance.

For players complaining about the possible direction of ESO and those worried about it moving towards a Pay to Advance system, stop complaining and put money towards the game so that Zenimax can keep it profitable without the need to add items that would make the game Pay to Advance.

I remember players in DCUO complaining about the Booster Bundle. It was a $10 item that gave about $8 worth of utility items and than a rare aura. I bought them to support the game and take a shot at a RNG aura that was rare. Yes some where not all that cool looking, but I supported the game both by subbing and doing my part by buying items in the market place.

Now the game has changed direction because support vanished over time, and the game has shifted toward Pay to Advance that requires a membership. That made me stop my sub and now I barely play.

Neverwinter is another Pay to Advance game, but unlike DCUO it does not require a membership for me to enjoy the full game and if I grind enough in the game I can get everything for free. As I stated in another thread F2P games are 100% free.

ESO is a B2P game with nice cosmetic items in the crown store. Either support the game and buy the item and provide opinion on what they should add to the crown store. Another idea is complain and not spend a dime and watch the game revenue model change to one that many want to avoid.

JKorr · January 2017

silentq wrote: »

The problem with all of the arguments about the crown store is that every single item there is a vanity item and only affects ego.

"I had to spend $300 to get such and such from the crown crates!"

Does what you got affect the game in anyway? No. You did it because something in your head told you that you NEEDED it, whilst you really didn't. I'm sorry if you have a gambling addiction or think you need and even more useless than normal imaginary item still useless in a place that doesn't actually exist.

Vanity and ego drive the greed and anger for that part.

The other argument would be to ask in return, "Would you prefer they go to a subscription based system in order to access the game at all? No? Then how do you suggest they make money?"

Yes, I wish they would go back to a sub. I'm not the only one who feels that way. There have been threads about it, at least one with a poll that did not go the way the op thought it would.

Akrasjel · January 2017

People whining for the sake of whining.

B2P and ESO+ and Crown Store are good the only issue may be pricing in Crown. For more one would need to see the crown store sale data.

Doctordarkspawn · January 2017

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

People complain because they fall for fake news! Fake news that ESO is failing. Fake news that all development is focused on crown store and crown crates and that the rest of the game is being neglected, etc.

My response to 'fake news' from another thread. As if this buzzword needed dismantling.

See: The PTS thread about frost staff tanking and how little has been changed with it since the original PTS debue, despite the feedback being mostly negative with either the "I didn't ask for this I hate this change" and "This is too half baked and needs fleshing out" positions.

See also: The Velocious curse changes, which were changed after much community outcry to have alterations made for a PVP rotation, to keep it's effectiveness.

It's only fake if you've decided it is before even seeing it. ZOS has a tendancy to prioritize the biggest outcry instead of fixing -all- the problems. I've seen other games sate multiple audiences and player types in one fell swoop, ZOS does not do this.

If it's not the biggest flak their geting, or isn't a bug that was caused by a recent patch, it will not be fixed. This is the ZOS way. This is consistant throughout the year I have been playing and is a reasonibly predictable.

Try it yourself come next PTS session.

The squeakiest wheel gets the grease, but many others get to rust. Thus is the ZOS way, which causes more problems then it solves. As an addition to that, there's also genuine proovable instances of problems with the engine that have never been fixed, like the CPU bottleneck. The game is neglected, on many fronts. But it isn't from the crown crates, it was allways neglected.

Whether or not ZOS is unable or unwilling to fix these problems, they have turned toward crown store monitary generation as their main focus of late. And that's my problem with it. I understand, logically, why this is happening, it is time to try to get as close to or over par as humanly possible if the game is declining, but that does not mean I have to like or applaud it.

Ourorboros · January 2017

The only thing that bothers me is zos using the game to drive players to the crown store. The Glass motif is a good example of this. First you have to get lucky enough to collect 10 fragments, then you have to be lucky enough to get a non-duplicate chapter. That's a lot of time and effort and it makes it a bit easier to drop 5000 crowns for the book. zos has also introduce the crafting bag to induce players into subscribing. It's no accident that there is a limit to inventory while more and more items get added to the game. I let my subscription lapse for 6 weeks, and playing without the craft bag was worse than the early months of the game before stacks of 200, more stackable items and a player capacity of 200. The craft bag alone is worth the sub, and the crowns to go with it almost make it a good deal.

Is there a difference between making a profit and greed? What kind of income does zos earn just from subscriptions? Frior has said there are around 7 million of us. How many of that number subscribe? I'd guess it's in the 25-45% range, based on polls and talking to other players. Taking a conservative approach, let's assume 10% subscribe. Assuming only $14/subscriber (since there are 1, 3, and 6 month options and being conservative) X 700,000 is monthly subscription earnings of $9,800,000. I have no idea what it costs to operate ESO, but I would be very surprised to learn it costs more than 10 million a month to keep the servers up and pay salaries. And remember, this is assuming only 10% subscribe.zos could easily be earning $20 million or more every month. Is that enough for zos to be profitable without the crown store? Only zos knows.

It's harder to guess how successful the crown store is. Certainly, the evidence that the crown store gets high traffic is everywhere, in the form of a multitude of mounts, pets, and costumes. But much of that could be subscribers spending their crowns. Considering it would take 4 months of subscription crowns to be able to buy the Elk mount, it seems a safe bet that a lot of players are funneling more than their subscription into the crown store. And if there is any truth to my subscription estimates, it's all gravy for zos.

But so what. zos is a business, which exits only for profit. Except housing may just expose how greedy zos is. We know from PTS that houses themselves will be reasonable priced (IMO). But furnishing houses without resorting to spending crowns seems to be the biggest grind introduced into the game to date. I fully expect future housing options will be offered in the crown store, either exclusively, or paired with a mind-numbing grind for the same item in-game. This is where I get irritated with zos, creating content that by design leads players to spend more. If I'm wrong about subscription profits, I guess that's inevitable, But if zos make what I think they do from subs, it's pure greed. That bothers me. If others want to throw money at 1s and 0s, so be it, but I'll never spend more than my sub. And if the grind outweighs enjoyment, I'll move onto another game.

HatchetHaro · January 2017

Because all of those are a blatant cash grab.

You've seen the Breton Hero costume; people wanted it for years, and they finally release it at a high price point, except that it was shoddily done and absolutely terrible. Newer costumes just seem to cost more and more. Crown-exclusive motifs are a direct slap in the face to dedicated crafters. The appearance change and name change tokens are way too expensive, obviously a cash-grabbing tactic. The crafting bag is just way too good not to have, and that means more ESO+ subscriptions. The Crown Crates... I'm actually cool with Crown Crates, but they're still a little too expensive.

So far, the Crown Store is quite a terrible system, and you can see the trends on how ZOS prices their things, blatantly trying to milk more money from players by offering items that people really want at increasingly high price points.

It's all just a blatant cash grab and I'm losing respect for ZOS day by day. I still love the game; I just loathe the way the devs are treating the game.

I mean, seriously, Warframe is another game I have in mind, but it's actually F2P, and it's doing much much better with its own cash shop, with Platinum. Why? Digital Extremes actually cares about their playerbase. They keep releasing new quality content regularly, and everything in the cash shop exclusively is cosmetics. They offer regular random discounts for Platinum to players, up to 75% off, and doesn't even lock the non-paying players out of obtaining cosmetics because players can trade in-game items for Platinum. And it's still working.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

Soella wrote: »

Because it goes way beyond reasonable.

I pay subscription. I always do, in all MMOs, no matter what are subs rewards - because they need money not only on for development, but to keep up all infrastructure, and as a specialist in this area I know how much it cost.

But for me it means I am entitled for most of content in the game. Now let see - mounts are crown store only. A lot of hair styles are crown store only. Costumes as well. Now will be some crown store only houses. Well, I have my subs crown allowance - and it was enough to buy mounts once in a while, or something else which I cannot get by in game means. Was fair for me. If I need to save 3 month to buy one mount - it is not what I consider a fair bargain for subscribers. Either it should be available through in game methods - or crown allowance for subscribers has to by higher.

erm... mounts are not crown store only.

PurifedBladez · January 2017

You want to make money on crown store? Fine. But don't try to take advantage and overcharge us.

The old CS use to be a lot more reasonable. Now most of the prices don't make any sense.

On top of all this it doesn't seem like they use any of the CS profits to support their own game.

Despite what you guys might think I feel as if the CS is becoming really aggressive to drain every last dollar out of this game before the servers or bugs render it unplayable.

Preyfar · January 2017

I hate it because it's inconsistent. The prices ZOS charge for items varies as from a seemingly day-to-day basis with no grounds for reality.

You can get all existing facial hair for 1,000 crowns... or you can buy one really hideous squid beard for the same price. Some personalities cost 700 crowns, others 1,200. Others you can get in multiple packs. The dro-m'Athra motif costs 6,000 crowns, but can be bought in game for about 150K. Pages go for anywhere between 8-12K per. But limited edition, really high end Crown Store only motifs cost about 2K crowns.

Their pricing is all over the place and makes zero sense at all, especially in regards to some of the older motifs. I don't mind the way they support themselves but I do mind the how, and that how is inconsistent as hell.

Sinthrax · January 2017

If someone has to ask this question then they truly are lost to the whole in game store movement over the last years. Its effect on the game is non refutable.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

Preyfar wrote: »

I hate it because it's inconsistent. The prices ZOS charge for items varies as from a seemingly day-to-day basis with no grounds for reality.

You can get all existing facial hair for 1,000 crowns... or you can buy one really hideous squid beard for the same price. Some personalities cost 700 crowns, others 1,200. Others you can get in multiple packs. The dro-m'Athra motif costs 6,000 crowns, but can be bought in game for about 150K. Pages go for anywhere between 8-12K per. But limited edition, really high end Crown Store only motifs cost about 2K crowns.

Their pricing is all over the place and makes zero sense at all, especially in regards to some of the older motifs. I don't mind the way they support themselves but I do mind the how, and that how is inconsistent as hell.

Pricing is all over the place but not really on the motif. If you look back other in game motifs were 5000 crowns and had no style stones with them. 6000 crowns with stones isn't as bad as everyone is making out to be. Now on the 2 exclusive motifs were priced very decent, first better than 2nd, but I would assume that is because you have to buy mimic stones to craft those. I see 6000 crowns not so much as a cash grab as it is more of a lazy tax.

I play, I sub and buy crowns when I see something of value. Now value is subjective, not everyone sees things the same way. I will play the game and continue to support it how I see fit, until such time as the value drops below what I find acceptable. Been playing 2 years on a $60 game, been subbing at $15 a month, I think I get my money's worth. $15 a month is fairly cheap for a hobby. The lack of new content concerns many, but I would rather they fix the game rather than release broken content. But that's just me.

Mojmir · January 2017

There's sustain and then there's greed.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

Sinthrax wrote: »

If someone has to ask this question then they truly are lost to the whole in game store movement over the last years. Its effect on the game is non refutable.

and, oh wise one, what is that effect?

Preyfar · January 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Pricing is all over the place but not really on the motif. If you look back other in game motifs were 5000 crowns and had no style stones with them. 6000 crowns with stones isn't as bad as everyone is making out to be. Now on the 2 exclusive motifs were priced very decent, first better than 2nd, but I would assume that is because you have to buy mimic stones to craft those. I see 6000 crowns not so much as a cash grab as it is more of a lazy tax.

I agree with you on that, forcing stones with the dro-m'Athra motif is lazy on ZOS' part. Epicly lazy. Those whiskers are not rare at all, and with ZOS double drop rates with the Thieves Guild anniversary event they'll be even MORE common. They don't sell for much anymore, and the demand for them has tanked considerably (people like glowy mounts, not so much violently glowy armor).

Junipus · January 2017

Two reasons depending on the many points.

1. ZOS consistently denied the indications from unannounced changes at the start which turned out to be true, therefore leaving players feeling betrayed and ignored.
2. People love to whine and complain about things online in such a way that psychologists will be studying it for decades.

Just put your head down and have fun playing the game until it no longer is would be my advice, otherwise it's a cluster *** of insanity trying to figure it out.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

People complain because they fall for fake news! Fake news that ESO is failing. Fake news that all development is focused on crown store and crown crates and that the rest of the game is being neglected, etc.

They're paying more attention to the "precious" cash shop than the actual game like Swtor did, and now look where Swtor's heading.

sekou_trayvond · January 2017

Because people have, apparently, zero idea how business' operate let alone comprehend even a smidgens worth of an Economics class.

ADarklore · January 2017

ArcVelarian wrote: »

Because people have seen other games follow the same path and die a slow and horrible death. Just take SWTOR for example, the game ultimately failed because the cash shop was draining too much development time away from actual content and the free to play option would nickel and dime people away from the game.

People have come to REALLY despise cash shops in games as they are an indicator of the kinds of practices a company is willing to stoop to.

So SWTOR dying wouldn't have to do with the numerous other MMOs coming out right, I also don't believe SWTOR is even on consoles, so that's another market that could have caused the SWTOR's downfall. Furthermore, even if people do despise cash shops, most games are following this route... so they'll either get used to them or stop playing altogether. Games need to make money, not only to maintain themselves but also because they have to compete against numerous existing and new MMOs coming out. You can no longer count on the "play for ten years" type of players, today it's "get out of people what you can before they leave" mentality.

MasterSpatula · January 2017

Because real-world money for in-game items damages the integrity of the game.

Because this was once a sub game, many of us remember when it was a sub game, ZOS promised us it would stay a sub game, and it should have stayed a sub game.

Because cash shops are (subjectively) bad, and I and many others would never even have tried the game if it hadn't been sub-only. For us, it feels like a bait-and-switch.

I quit after the transition but came back 10 months later. I came to accept the change, and I even frequently came to ZOS' defense on what I saw as overreactions to supposed "greed." Then along came gamble boxes, a sleazy idea that made me feel like a chump for having defended ZOS in the past.

Stovahkiin · January 2017

People love to cry and call companies greedy when they don't get what they want for free.

Haydenmango · January 2017

Because ESO spends more time sustaining its profits than sustaining the actual game.

If they actually fixed issues and if the game worked fine I could care less about how much time and effort they spend on the crown store. If the game actually worked properly I would buy things from the crown store to support the game!

Mojmir · January 2017

Stovahkiin wrote: »

People love to cry and call companies greedy when they don't get what they want for free.

Who said free?

kevlarto_ESO · January 2017

I think it has a lot to do with the fact this game is very broken on so many levels, ZOS keeps taking revenue but nothing seems to be coming back into the game, nothing is getting fixed, cheater still run rampant, but they keep offering new things to buy.

I still sub, but do not buy anything out of the crown store above my sub, if the game was in better working order, they clamped down on cheaters, I would crack my wallet and buy something above my sub.

I do have a problem with how ZOS sustains the game, I have a problem how they maintain the game.

Riejael · January 2017

It comes down to Jealousy and Envy, as well as the Haves and Have Nots.

The culture of the NA, EU, and AU regions has shifted into a stance that anyone who has something 'expensive' obtained it by exploiting someone else. So when they see objects or services that someone has that they themselves cannot afford, then they believe that person is terrible for having it.

Now in game, many of these people play video games to unwind and to distance themselves from the 'stressful' real world. Its an escape to a simpler and more forgiving and even place. So when they see these purely cosmetic items available, and that someone can afford them while they cannot themselves.. it irks them. It reminds them of their real life situation.

They resent that.

They also see ZOS as a problem. And why not? Its a large corporation. They've been taught that corporations are evil and greedy. They hate the fact that corporations take their or other peoples' monies to make these simple cosmetics. They hate them even more because they make and support the fun game that is ESO and they feel they have nowhere else to go.

Basic economics states that to have a game developed, one must sell it. The initial buy, the retail box (or digitial download). Further amounts of content require compensation as well. Or DLCs in ESO's case. However the online portion has to be paid for too. The initial buys of 2014-15 do not pay for the use of the servers in 2016-17.

So what must be done? ESOplus is one way. But offering cosmetics that only take a few artists' time subsidizes it. They must also cover the cost of the artist as well. So how should they price it?

This is where it gets more complicated. There is a balance. They must make the item cheap enough to afford. But not so cheap that everyone has it (if everyone has it, it won't be desirable). If a mount was only 200 crowns, everyone would likely have it. It becomes boring and then no one buys it anymore. Make it 2000 crowns and not as many buy it, but those that do, have it and then those that don't want it more. But that's looking at it from a vacuum.

It never works out like its in a vacuum in reality. In reality we have mounts that are 2500, some that are cheaper, some that are more expensive. Those that want the most expensive mounts will get them. Those who don't wish to pay will go down a tier or two. This way everything is selling for something. It keeps the servers up, the artists paid, development for future content funded, and shareholders happy.

Of course.. you end up with Haves and Have nots. Jealousy and Envy.

People see expensive 4500 crown mounts being ridden and think its unfair they cannot afford that. And therefor resort to the greedy evil corp is being a money grabber. Ignoring the fact they don't need a 4500cr mount. They don't even need a 100cr mount to play the game they purchased. They likely have a mount already. But they want -That- mount. Because -that other guy- (who could afford it) has it. He's a have, they're a have not.

Jealousy and Envy. Over pixels on a screen.

Think about that. These mounts and housing didn't exist when ESO came out. Everyone still has access to the game they purchased, without spending another dime. So what's the fuss? Seeing a Have riding on a mount and decorating a home that a Have Not cannot afford. That's what's causing the disgruntlement.

You know what is worse? These players are actually pretty malicious. If a player who bought an Elk mount for 4500 crowns said his elk was crashing his game and unusable. These players would actually point and laugh. They seriously would. That's how deep their malevolence is for those players that they consider 'Haves'.

That is Jealousy at its core. Over pixels on a screen.

To have malicious envy of an innocent player who paid to play a game they like, and paid a little more to support it in return for something unique. Some of the spiritual sense would even call that evil, if even a little bit.

If this applies to anyone, take a deep hard look at what you are feeling. You are being distressed, over pixels, and feeling jealousy and envy of innocent players who like you just want to play the game. I don't know what you need to do to fix your situation and end those feelings, but either way it needs to stop. Before you do something or say something you might regret later.

Don't do it over pixels on a screen.

Wolfshead · January 2017

117Dios wrote: »

ZOS puts housing in. "Awesome!" I think. Let's see some opinions on the forum, maybe I can learn a thing or two about it.
No storage. "Aw, oh well, I guess those couple chars I have and the bank space should suffice anyway." with the optional "I have the craft bag, so all cool for me anyway". Didn't seem that big of a deal to me, so I moved on.
Houses can be bought with crowns. Suddently, uproar. Why is that so? Why are people hating on ZOS putting houses for sale through crowns too?

I for one have been on PTS and honest those price for ingame gold to buy a empty house in my eyes is overprice the are house for over 3 million gold and then it is empty i think it is nice that the also sell house in crownstore which you other get with Furniture or not also something i dont think many people do know is if want to buy a house for gold you need to have complete main quest achievement in the zone to even be allowed buy house for gold so it is nice that ZoS gave people other way to get house people want.