More vampire stuff

waterfairy · January 2017

Madness1 wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Delpi wrote: »

I would like if they change the feed animation, it's kind of ridiculous-lazy..... (sorry fans of Legacy of Kain)

It works in this game as it's almost like blood magic, same for the vamp drain spell except you don't consume that blood.
It needs to be something triggered from a few feet away otherwise we wouldn't be able to use the blade of woe close up.

What if they just removed the BoW for Vamps, instead allowing an insta stealth kill as the feeding animation. I'm thinking where the Vamp closes in and bites a chunk out of the persons neck, or if that's too violand something similar to what happens in Vampire: Bloodlines.

I like it

Inhuman003 · January 2017

Since you said more stuff at to vampires what kind of horse should be added something more gothic.

idk · January 2017

SaRuZ wrote: »

I rocked it maxed for months. After respec to StamSorc with OT I dropped vamp skills, only did passives. Honestly the fire damage was obliterating me in certain content. CoA being one of them.

Vampire is good for pushing players to avoid damage. I only notice if in times of extreme damage. Otherwise it's no big deal.

TheShadowScout · January 2017

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

And what is a vampire to you? these vampires are clearly based on the real depiction of vampires from the 17th and 18th century where they were thought to be as real as a witch was and well we know what people did witches then don't we, people believed vampires were bloated corpses who did not have fangs nor were effected by sunlight and who would rise from their grave to spread disease and drink the blood of the innocents, they aren't based off of Bram Stokers Fan Fiction.

...so you are saying... player vampires should be treated like that, and be unable to pass for mortals at all, and get insta-killed by the city guard on sight? You know, 17th and 18th century style or before?

I think that would not be much fun.
I think what you describe there is already covered by "bloodfiends", right?

So I am back at the classic 19th century fanfiction, be it by the pen of Stoker or LeFanu...

Madness1 wrote: »

What if they just removed the BoW for Vamps, instead allowing an insta stealth kill as the feeding animation. I'm thinking where the Vamp closes in and bites a chunk out of the persons neck, or if that's too violand something similar to what happens in Vampire: Bloodlines.

As a advocate for the classics, I definitely woule prefer a "step closer for a bite" animation rather then the "stream of blood" we have now. Not an insta-kill though... just the usual feeding... UNLESS the vampire is also a dark brother/sister, then I definitely would want both actions to combine into a "Bite of Woe"

And fu... uhm... forget thoughts about too much violence. The game is rated 18 last I saw, so it could do well with a bit of blood and guts. Heck, I'd be wanting to push that ratings limits myself, one way or another... but considering posts on the matter I made before, that is hardly a surprice, yes?

Emencie · January 2017

Vigarr wrote: »

Why is everyone becoming vamps now? Is there a new build posted by a famous player that all the sheeple must follow?

Stamina regen
Magicka regen
Damage reduction
One of the best escape tools in the game
A great heal (that also stuns)
An amazing ultimate

The only reason to not be a Vampire is fire damage... which hasn't ever been a real issue.

Riejael · January 2017

Delpi wrote: »

I would like if they change the feed animation, it's kind of ridiculous-lazy..... (sorry fans of Legacy of Kain)

At least they have fangs.

Mitoice · January 2017

If only werewolves could be as useful as vampires... sigh

Kendaric · January 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

And what is a vampire to you? these vampires are clearly based on the real depiction of vampires from the 17th and 18th century where they were thought to be as real as a witch was and well we know what people did witches then don't we, people believed vampires were bloated corpses who did not have fangs nor were effected by sunlight and who would rise from their grave to spread disease and drink the blood of the innocents, they aren't based off of Bram Stokers Fan Fiction.

...so you are saying... player vampires should be treated like that, and be unable to pass for mortals at all, and get insta-killed by the city guard on sight? You know, 17th and 18th century style or before?

I think that would not be much fun.
I think what you describe there is already covered by "bloodfiends", right?

So I am back at the classic 19th century fanfiction, be it by the pen of Stoker or LeFanu...

I think that when in stage 3 or 4, vampire players should be attacked by the guards. Stage 1 and probably 2 can pass as a sickly pale human. At least that way we would actually feel like playing a monster instead of a pale human (or mer) with a buff skill line.
Also, vampires (and werewolves) need more quests rather than having just their initiation rite.
Another thing that has always bugged me is the lack of NPC reaction... Count Ravenwatch calling me a mortal? The Dunmer vampire hunter in the cave on the Gold Coast is oblivious to me being a vampire as well? Seriously?

TX12001rwb17_ESO · January 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

And what is a vampire to you? these vampires are clearly based on the real depiction of vampires from the 17th and 18th century where they were thought to be as real as a witch was and well we know what people did witches then don't we, people believed vampires were bloated corpses who did not have fangs nor were effected by sunlight and who would rise from their grave to spread disease and drink the blood of the innocents, they aren't based off of Bram Stokers Fan Fiction.

...so you are saying... player vampires should be treated like that, and be unable to pass for mortals at all, and get insta-killed by the city guard on sight? You know, 17th and 18th century style or before?

I think that would not be much fun.
I think what you describe there is already covered by "bloodfiends", right?

So I am back at the classic 19th century fanfiction, be it by the pen of Stoker or LeFanu...

Madness1 wrote: »

What if they just removed the BoW for Vamps, instead allowing an insta stealth kill as the feeding animation. I'm thinking where the Vamp closes in and bites a chunk out of the persons neck, or if that's too violand something similar to what happens in Vampire: Bloodlines.

As a advocate for the classics, I definitely woule prefer a "step closer for a bite" animation rather then the "stream of blood" we have now. Not an insta-kill though... just the usual feeding... UNLESS the vampire is also a dark brother/sister, then I definitely would want both actions to combine into a "Bite of Woe"
And fu... uhm... forget thoughts about too much violence. The game is rated 18 last I saw, so it could do well with a bit of blood and guts. Heck, I'd be wanting to push that ratings limits myself, one way or another... but considering posts on the matter I made before, that is hardly a surprice, yes?

Yeah.

Riejael · January 2017

Kendaric wrote: »

I think that when in stage 3 or 4, vampire players should be attacked by the guards. Stage 1 and probably 2 can pass as a sickly pale human. At least that way we would actually feel like playing a monster instead of a pale human (or mer) with a buff skill line.

That's fun to say, but what would be the benefit to offset that downside?

10% extra magicka and stamina regen isn't enough of a benefit to have to juggle stages to avoid guards. That's an inconvenience for the sake of principle.

The only benefit that I could think of is make the guards killable to vamps in that situation as if they were 130k hp strength mobs.

Kendaric · January 2017

Riejael wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

I think that when in stage 3 or 4, vampire players should be attacked by the guards. Stage 1 and probably 2 can pass as a sickly pale human. At least that way we would actually feel like playing a monster instead of a pale human (or mer) with a buff skill line.

That's fun to say, but what would be the benefit to offset that downside?

10% extra magicka and stamina regen isn't enough of a benefit to have to juggle stages to avoid guards. That's an inconvenience for the sake of principle.

The only benefit that I could think of is make the guards killable to vamps in that situation as if they were 130k hp strength mobs.

There are more than enough ways to avoid the guards in the game. It should be an actual drawback, since all of the other vampire "drawbacks" can be easily offset.
Though benefits could be given in the form of more active skills for the skill line I guess.

There's just not enough vampire feeling to the whole skill line and that includes the current drawbacks.

waterfairy · January 2017

Kendaric wrote: »

The Dunmer vampire hunter in the cave on the Gold Coast is oblivious to me being a vampire as well? Seriously?

He mentions it at some point that he knows what you are but I think it's during the other quest in the main game that you encounter him.

Riejael · January 2017

Kendaric wrote: »

There are more than enough ways to avoid the guards in the game. It should be an actual drawback, since all of the other vampire "drawbacks" can be easily offset.
Though benefits could be given in the form of more active skills for the skill line I guess.

There's just not enough vampire feeling to the whole skill line and that includes the current drawbacks.

That's not a drawback, that's an annoyance.

It works in previous single player RPGs because there's a whole subculture in the way you can play. In a MMO there's no be a vamp crowd and not-vamp crowd. We're all in the same pool. Hell they merged the factions to prevent a split in the playerbase for that reason.

Any drawback in towns, needs to be offset by a benefit you get in towns. Hence why I suggested being able to murder said guards in those situations. Unless you have a better idea for a benefit in town?

It doesn't make sense to give benefits in combat/dungeons that only have downsides in town. Or vice versa for that matter.

ListerJMC · January 2017

Vigarr wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

The Dunmer vampire hunter in the cave on the Gold Coast is oblivious to me being a vampire as well? Seriously?

He mentions it at some point that he knows what you are but I think it's during the other quest in the main game that you encounter him.

He does notice that you're a vampire, but he won't say it unless you ask him questions about his work after the quest is over.

"You think I have noticed your unique affliction? I considered killing you as well. Yet having heard tales of your exploits, I believe you do more good than ill.

Should that change, we may become enemies. Today, however, you may depart in peace."

Edit: I don't know why that image is so small

. I wrote it out.

bloodthirstyvampire · January 2017

ListerJMC wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

The Dunmer vampire hunter in the cave on the Gold Coast is oblivious to me being a vampire as well? Seriously?

He mentions it at some point that he knows what you are but I think it's during the other quest in the main game that you encounter him.

He does notice that you're a vampire, but he won't say it unless you ask him questions about his work after the quest is over.

"You think I have noticed your unique affliction? I considered killing you as well. Yet having heard tales of your exploits, I believe you do more good than ill.

Should that change, we may become enemies. Today, however, you may depart in peace."

Edit: I don't know why that image is so small . I wrote it out.

I think thats a reference to not having a soul

EldritchPenguin · January 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Eh. I have one vampy alt, but that's it among my dozend characters.

What I really would like to see for ESO vampires is more stuff to make them feel like -vampires- not merely like "players with an additional skill line"...

And one large part of this would be having to hide their vampirism as to not upset all the mortals around them. I mean, take a look at the rivenspire questlines... all the time things like "She is a soulless monster now, quick, kill her in arkays name!" come up from the common people, even though count ravenwatch shows vampires do not neccessarily have to be monsters..

So, how about... any vampire who gets found out goes kill-on-sight by the city guard? And the chance to be found out as vampire and not just a sickly pale human would be dependent on your stage... say, 20% at stage one, 40% at stage 2, 80% at stage 3 and automatic at stage four. And when found out, the guard will come after you, all of the NPCs will refuse to offer you their services and call the guard to your location instead, and so on.

And to balance that, you would get an option to disguise yourself, just like we saw count ravenwatch doing. Either as toggleable skill, or as specially enchanted ring, that disguise would lower your appereance (and with it the detection chance) by ojne level - meaning at stage one, you'd look completely mortal. Of course, the disguise would break if you use any vampire skills - but not at using normal weapon attacks.

And of course, there need to be more feeding options for vampires saddled with the need to masquerade to better control their vampirism stages. Like... alchemically treated flasks that can store a feeding worth of blood "for later" if you feed at full capacity. And possibly the option to feed from willing players (giving them a health debuff that lasts for a while).

And while we're at it, I'd also love to see more of the classics. Now, mirrors are not really an issue, but... running water? How about... half swimming speed for vampires, give them a reason to stay out of the river?
Or nighttime... they already established that daylight does not hurt this vampirism strain, which is all right, since it was the same with ole dracula - but prince vlad lost his vampiric powers during daytime, so it would make sense that the vampire skills be unaccessible as long the sun is in the sky, right?

And one more thing... there ought to be at least one "vampire sanctuary" per alliance, where vamps can let their fangs hang out, so to speak, filled with vampy NPCs, crafting stations and perhaps even a vendor for vamp-only gear (paid in filled blood flasks, perhaps?) - they could easily reuse the locale from the initiation quest for that one, with a few small upgrades, yes?

Considering the way the day/night cycle works in ESO, this is a serious no-go. It's day vastly more often than it is night. Moreover, we have no control whatsoever over the day/night cycle. So the bonuses generally need to be situational, more for flavor, and supplementary to what we already have (like the faster crouching from the Night Stalker passive).

With that being said, however, I wouldn't be opposed to adding a combination of passives and abilities that would make vampires true creatures of the night. Add a passive that's extremely strong, but only active at night, and adds a small penalty during the day. Then give us a new ultimate (or a new feature to Bat Swarm) that lets us blot out the sun for 10-15 seconds, activating the passive and letting us muscle our way through situations that we otherwise wouldn't be able to.

Of course, while that sounds awesome on paper, I don't think it would be easy to balance at all.

ListerJMC · January 2017

ViciousVamps1 wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

The Dunmer vampire hunter in the cave on the Gold Coast is oblivious to me being a vampire as well? Seriously?

He mentions it at some point that he knows what you are but I think it's during the other quest in the main game that you encounter him.

He does notice that you're a vampire, but he won't say it unless you ask him questions about his work after the quest is over.

"You think I have noticed your unique affliction? I considered killing you as well. Yet having heard tales of your exploits, I believe you do more good than ill.

Should that change, we may become enemies. Today, however, you may depart in peace."

Edit: I don't know why that image is so small . I wrote it out.

I think thats a reference to not having a soul

I don't think so, in order to get that dialogue your character has to be a vampire and ask the question "Do you kill every vampire you meet?"

bloodthirstyvampire · January 2017

I hate being referred to as a mortal by npcs i am by default a higher rank vampire then any npc besides lamae bal and then thiers that guy who worships molag who stole your soul the guy in rivinspire

TheShadowScout · January 2017

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

...but prince vlad lost his vampiric powers during daytime, so it would make sense that the vampire skills be unaccessible as long the sun is in the sky, right?...

Considering the way the day/night cycle works in ESO, this is a serious no-go. It's day vastly more often than it is night. Moreover, we have no control whatsoever over the day/night cycle. So the bonuses generally need to be situational, more for flavor, and supplementary to what we already have (like the faster crouching from the Night Stalker passive).

Actually its quite a go, or it could be. Yes, the ESO time is split inn twice as much day then night, at least. But that would only mean that the vamps would have to get more advantage during nigthtime to balance - after all, having advantages ALL the time would mean the disadvantages would have to be proportinally great, and right now they aren't.

I see absolutely no problem with vampires having a distinct advantage over mortal heroes in the night, and mortals having an distinct advantage during the day (if only because the vampire cannot use their advantage yet still retians their disadvantage). It -would- make complete sense with all vampire stories, would it not?

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

With that being said, however, I wouldn't be opposed to adding a combination of passives and abilities that would make vampires true creatures of the night. Add a passive that's extremely strong, but only active at night, and adds a small penalty during the day...

I would prefer to see the whole of vampirism like that. Stronger during the night, weaker during the day... and if the night is much shorter in ESO, that just means their nightly advantage can be bigger. But as I said, I just love the classics, and feel somewhat vexed by all those "daywalkers" in ESO...

bloodthirstyvampire · January 2017

Keep it goin guys keep talking until we get a dev to take a look

AzuraKin · January 2017

dear vampyres,

I am here to enlighten you. the age of blood drinking is over. Hircine has enlightened us to the glories of bloody meat eating. come and join us. give up the passionless pursuit of blood to drink, join us in the passion for bloody meat. without passion, everything is nothingness, but the passion of the pursuit of meat gives strength unto you. the strength grants us victory over our enemies who foolishly attempt to kill us. with our victories we break free from the chains of mortality forevermore.

signed
the werewolf.

Knootewoot · January 2017

SaRuZ wrote: »

I cured vampirism last week after having it since level 23. Best decision I ever made.

You sir, are a disgrace to the family. Hissss

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2017

sumisu1 wrote: »

Would love to see more lamae bal popping up for future quests or even hircine for werewolves. I mean after you're done with the initiation it just feels like you need more, if that makes any sense. Yeah we burn quicker, we look sick, but only a few npcs have actually acknowledged our condition. Being a vamp or wolf should feel different to being a regular healthy soulless humanoid or hey look its the hero that saved King Casimir blah blah blah the end.

I agree with this, but I also feel like the game doesn't explore alternatives enough either. I'd love to be part of an order of Ordinator/Witchhunter/Inquisitor types. I'd love to have been able to join the Iron Wheel, or the Order of the Hour. Its simply a matter of skipping huge swaths of content or not. I simultaneously agree that being a werewolf or vampire falls a bit flat because there really is nothing to it apart from an ugly face.

bloodthirstyvampire · January 2017

AzuraKin wrote: »

dear vampyres,

I am here to enlighten you. the age of blood drinking is over. Hircine has enlightened us to the glories of bloody meat eating. come and join us. give up the passionless pursuit of blood to drink, join us in the passion for bloody meat. without passion, everything is nothingness, but the passion of the pursuit of meat gives strength unto you. the strength grants us victory over our enemies who foolishly attempt to kill us. with our victories we break free from the chains of mortality forevermore.

signed
the werewolf.

Stupid animals just walking in get back in your kennel and go to sleep

bloodthirstyvampire · January 2017

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

sumisu1 wrote: »

Would love to see more lamae bal popping up for future quests or even hircine for werewolves. I mean after you're done with the initiation it just feels like you need more, if that makes any sense. Yeah we burn quicker, we look sick, but only a few npcs have actually acknowledged our condition. Being a vamp or wolf should feel different to being a regular healthy soulless humanoid or hey look its the hero that saved King Casimir blah blah blah the end.

I agree with this, but I also feel like the game doesn't explore alternatives enough either. I'd love to be part of an order of Ordinator/Witchhunter/Inquisitor types. I'd love to have been able to join the Iron Wheel, or the Order of the Hour. Its simply a matter of skipping huge swaths of content or not. I simultaneously agree that being a werewolf or vampire falls a bit flat because there really is nothing to it apart from an ugly face.

My girl looks good in all stages

Cadbury · January 2017

They need to sparkle like true vampires.

Plus there needs to be an option to seduce Lamae Bal

TheShadowScout · January 2017

Cadbury wrote: »

They need to sparkle like true vampires.

Plus there needs to be an option to seduce Lamae Bal

TX12001rwb17_ESO · January 2017

AzuraKin wrote: »

dear vampyres,

I am here to enlighten you. the age of blood drinking is over. Hircine has enlightened us to the glories of bloody meat eating. come and join us. give up the passionless pursuit of blood to drink, join us in the passion for bloody meat. without passion, everything is nothingness, but the passion of the pursuit of meat gives strength unto you. the strength grants us victory over our enemies who foolishly attempt to kill us. with our victories we break free from the chains of mortality forevermore.

signed
the werewolf.

Mortals are weak and suffer from the disease of having to grow old, you can be a vampire forever and eventually become so powerful you can stick it to the Daedra, such as the case of Lamae Bal, you cant be a werewolf forever as you only live for about 100 years or so and when you die your gonna be trapped in the Hunting Grounds playing fetch like a dog.

Not to mention Vampires are physically stronger, physically faster, more intelligent, they can actually use magic and they don't have fur growing out of their ears, fleas nor do they smell like a wet dog.

AFrostWolf · January 2017

I must be the only who is annoyed that vamparism is considered the best way to run certain builds. They need to balance it out so there are more risk vs reward/ pros and cons for being a camp and WW.

Cadbury · January 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

They need to sparkle like true vampires.

Plus there needs to be an option to seduce Lamae Bal

I don't watch animu but I assume that's the guy from Dragon Ball? Rick Grimes or Jon Snow? I think that's his name.

Ok, forget the sparkles. Vampires do need to count, though.

"One, two, three dead guards. Ha ha ha ha ha".