This game DESPERATELY needs an Auction House of sort!

AlnilamE · January 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

What about those who get kicked from their trading guilds because they went on vacation or took a break from the game? Did they get what they deserved as well?

The trading guild I'm in will be lenient with removing people if you let them know you are traveling or something. But in cases where people took a break for whatever reason and got kicked (which happened to a couple of friends of mine), a simple message to the guild master upon their return got them readmitted as soon as a spot was open.

I'm not sure why someone would need to remain in a trading guild if they are not actually online to sell their stuff?

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

No it is not DESPERATELY needed.

The current system works fine. Could it be adjusted and made better? Yes. If your trade guilds are demanding fees, dump em and find new guilds. I can't imagine needing 5 trade guilds. The most I ever had was 3 and I had a hard time keeping them all full. I'm now down to one full time trade guild and one part time trade guild.

Global AH has a whole set of other problems that would be bigger probled than what the current system has.

The only thing I could see is allowing a way for smaller guilds who have kiosks but don't have a full roster to open slots to non members for an extra fee. Or put a couple of permanent non guild kiosks in the 3 major cities and possibly one in a few smaller cities like Skywatch, Belkarth, Windhelm, etc to allow people that don't have any items listed elsewhere to list on that kiosk at a max of 500 people per kiosk. That would allow 3000 or so people to list items without having a trade guild per se.

I'd rather have a centralized Market than one/two guilds controlling the whole games economy imo.

That would be very hard to do in this game.

dramsb14_ESO · January 2017

I agree. Having to be in a guild in order to sell on AH seems so backwards to me.

AFrostWolf · January 2017

Avidspark wrote: »

Not necessary at all. Every MMO I've ever played that had an auction house, eventually saw every item dropping to just over vendor price, so no, don't want it at all.

Get TTC addon, or even just visit their site, for your listing of items in guild shops. And as advised above, join better guilds.

Add-ons and mods should never be the solution to a games problems. I shouldn't HAVE to get anything to have access to the market. Nor should I HAVE to go out of my way to be able to buy and sell.

Callous2208 · January 2017

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Avidspark wrote: »

Not necessary at all. Every MMO I've ever played that had an auction house, eventually saw every item dropping to just over vendor price, so no, don't want it at all.

Get TTC addon, or even just visit their site, for your listing of items in guild shops. And as advised above, join better guilds.

Add-ons and mods should never be the solution to a games problems. I shouldn't HAVE to get anything to have access to the market. Nor should I HAVE to go out of my way to be able to buy and sell.

You don't have have to. /zone "WTS/WTB X item." Or just check a trader. Each town has them.

Glurin · January 2017

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Avidspark wrote: »

Not necessary at all. Every MMO I've ever played that had an auction house, eventually saw every item dropping to just over vendor price, so no, don't want it at all.

Get TTC addon, or even just visit their site, for your listing of items in guild shops. And as advised above, join better guilds.

Add-ons and mods should never be the solution to a games problems. I shouldn't HAVE to get anything to have access to the market. Nor should I HAVE to go out of my way to be able to buy and sell.

Then it's a good thing you don't HAVE to in ESO either.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

Glurin wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Avidspark wrote: »

Not necessary at all. Every MMO I've ever played that had an auction house, eventually saw every item dropping to just over vendor price, so no, don't want it at all.

Get TTC addon, or even just visit their site, for your listing of items in guild shops. And as advised above, join better guilds.

Add-ons and mods should never be the solution to a games problems. I shouldn't HAVE to get anything to have access to the market. Nor should I HAVE to go out of my way to be able to buy and sell.

Then it's a good thing you don't HAVE to in ESO either.

Actually you do kind of need mods in ESO to get what your looking for every day, IE Advanced Guildstore lets you search for exactly what you want, MM lets you know if the price is good, TTC shows when an item is being sold.

Glurin · January 2017

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

That said I have never once seen the kind of scare stories being bandied about regarding gold sellers, or single traders monopolising the AH system. It has never happened in any of the games I have played over the last 11 or so years.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Or you simply never really used the AH systems. In either case, I doubt people around here would be particularly pleased when say, all the iron bars available on the AH are listed by the same person at 50k per stack. Or rather, mostly the same person, since there will be a few listed at 49,999 and 49,998.

Firstly, nothing stopping you doing that now.

Aside from the fact that it's very nearly impossible for any one person (or guild for that matter) to control the whole market like that under the current trader system.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Secondly, what happens is you don't sell any at that price, so you have to drop the price as other people snipe the reasonably priced items.

The people sniping the "reasonably priced" items (which really aren't, but they've inflated the market so much that nobody realizes that) quite often turns out to be the person selling the rest. It's common practice under an AH system.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

This works well on high end items that are hard to get, ie. sharpened Spriggan sword, but once again the same applies for the current system. Although obviously on the current system its actually much easier as people are not going to spend 2 hours going to every vendor using the clunky UI to search for one Sword.

WTF are you talking about? Not spending "2 hours going to every vendor to search for one sword" is the reason you can't control the market the way you're describing it.

So your Premise is wrong, not only wrong, but I've proved it to be the other way round. have an nice day.

Glurin · January 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Avidspark wrote: »

Not necessary at all. Every MMO I've ever played that had an auction house, eventually saw every item dropping to just over vendor price, so no, don't want it at all.

Get TTC addon, or even just visit their site, for your listing of items in guild shops. And as advised above, join better guilds.

Add-ons and mods should never be the solution to a games problems. I shouldn't HAVE to get anything to have access to the market. Nor should I HAVE to go out of my way to be able to buy and sell.

Then it's a good thing you don't HAVE to in ESO either.

Actually you do kind of need mods in ESO to get what your looking for every day, IE Advanced Guildstore lets you search for exactly what you want, MM lets you know if the price is good, TTC shows when an item is being sold.

No, you don't. They can make it easier, sure, but you certainly don't need them.

Tandor · January 2017

Glurin wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

That said I have never once seen the kind of scare stories being bandied about regarding gold sellers, or single traders monopolising the AH system. It has never happened in any of the games I have played over the last 11 or so years.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Or you simply never really used the AH systems. In either case, I doubt people around here would be particularly pleased when say, all the iron bars available on the AH are listed by the same person at 50k per stack. Or rather, mostly the same person, since there will be a few listed at 49,999 and 49,998.

The trouble is that you guys can't decide whether the problem is that there will be 50,000 sellers so we have to wade through pages and pages of items or only one seller who has bought everyone else up. Likewise, there's no agreement on whether the end result of an AH would be raised prices because of all the buying up and re-selling, or lower prices because of the increased number of sellers. I suspect, however, that the existing trading guilds are worried that increased competition from a more open system would reduce their wealth.

Like @Gandrhulf_Harbard , I have never seen any serious issues relating to the conduct of AHs in any of the MMOs I've been playing for the best part of 20 years. I've traded perfectly successfully and happily as both buyer and seller in all of them without issue. Also like him, I'm not necessarily in favour of an AH, I just want a public trading system that is open to all, not a private trading system that is open to a select few trading guilds. If that can be achieved by opening up the existing system in the way that he and I have both suggested in the various threads on this then that's great, no need for an AH at all. If not, then an AH would be better than the present system.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · January 2017

Glurin wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

That said I have never once seen the kind of scare stories being bandied about regarding gold sellers, or single traders monopolising the AH system. It has never happened in any of the games I have played over the last 11 or so years.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Or you simply never really used the AH systems. In either case, I doubt people around here would be particularly pleased when say, all the iron bars available on the AH are listed by the same person at 50k per stack. Or rather, mostly the same person, since there will be a few listed at 49,999 and 49,998.

Really?

I was actively engaged in the GTN Cartel Market economy of Star Wars for years.
I was one of the most pro-active craft resource traders on my server for LOTRO.
I've only used the AH in WoW as a casual buyer.

And I have never seen the issue you claim is apparent to all. In fact I spent 2 hours this afternoon fishing through the forums for those games to find substantiated claims that such monopolies were happening and guess what I found - NOTHING.

All The Best

drakhan2002_ESO · January 2017

Imryll wrote: »

After visiting numerous traders yesterday in an unsuccessful attempt to buy a recipe needed for a cooking writ, I would love an auction house. Or at least an in-game "Internet" that would tell me which traders are offering the item I want and at what price. I wouldn't mind traveling to the trader once I knew where I needed to go, but the current system feels more annoying than immersive.

All writ recipes are on the Chefs (food) and Brewers (drinks); you may need to search a couple of different zones, but they are all there...

...and have been for a while now...

...now back when most of started it wasn't that way...we actually had to get the recipe from a drop or merchant, but they changed it to NPCs a while ago.

Soella · January 2017

I also have pretty extensive experience with Global AH in WoW, Star Wars and Lotro.

Based on this experience I can say: as seller, I don't like trade guilds, but I definitely can survive and make money. 6 digits income per month seems reasonable for time I am spending on it. As buyer, I absolutely hate the system. I don't like shopping in real life, but here I am forced to spend more time on it than I do in real life!

Katahdin · January 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

No it is not DESPERATELY needed.

The current system works fine. Could it be adjusted and made better? Yes. If your trade guilds are demanding fees, dump em and find new guilds. I can't imagine needing 5 trade guilds. The most I ever had was 3 and I had a hard time keeping them all full. I'm now down to one full time trade guild and one part time trade guild.

Global AH has a whole set of other problems that would be bigger probled than what the current system has.

The only thing I could see is allowing a way for smaller guilds who have kiosks but don't have a full roster to open slots to non members for an extra fee. Or put a couple of permanent non guild kiosks in the 3 major cities and possibly one in a few smaller cities like Skywatch, Belkarth, Windhelm, etc to allow people that don't have any items listed elsewhere to list on that kiosk at a max of 500 people per kiosk. That would allow 3000 or so people to list items without having a trade guild per se.

I'd rather have a centralized Market than one/two guilds controlling the whole games economy imo.

I would rather not have 1 or 2 people controlling the market on highly desirable items. I saw it happen in GW2. A couple of rich players created a monopoly on the more time limited or lower drop rate mats. They would buy out the entire inventory and resell at a much higher price. It was a constant problem.

Market control and manipulation is alot harder to do in ESO. Still possible, yes but very difficult and time consuming. I also don't see how it's possible for one or two guilds to own every kiosk in the entire game. Yes there are a few related/sister guilds with more than one kiosk but even they compete with each other.

Why don't we increase the number of items a player can list to 50 and only allow a player to list items on one trader at a time. That would truely eliminate any collusion between trade guilds and promote true competition.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

Katahdin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

No it is not DESPERATELY needed.

The current system works fine. Could it be adjusted and made better? Yes. If your trade guilds are demanding fees, dump em and find new guilds. I can't imagine needing 5 trade guilds. The most I ever had was 3 and I had a hard time keeping them all full. I'm now down to one full time trade guild and one part time trade guild.

Global AH has a whole set of other problems that would be bigger probled than what the current system has.

The only thing I could see is allowing a way for smaller guilds who have kiosks but don't have a full roster to open slots to non members for an extra fee. Or put a couple of permanent non guild kiosks in the 3 major cities and possibly one in a few smaller cities like Skywatch, Belkarth, Windhelm, etc to allow people that don't have any items listed elsewhere to list on that kiosk at a max of 500 people per kiosk. That would allow 3000 or so people to list items without having a trade guild per se.

I'd rather have a centralized Market than one/two guilds controlling the whole games economy imo.

I would rather not have 1 or 2 people controlling the market on highly desirable items. I saw it happen in GW2. A couple of rich players created a monopoly on the more time limited or lower drop rate mats. They would buy out the entire inventory and resell at a much higher price. It was a constant problem.

Market control and manipulation is alot harder to do in ESO. Still possible, yes but very difficult and time consuming. I also don't see how it's possible for one or two guilds to own every kiosk in the entire game. Yes there are a few related/sister guilds with more than one kiosk but even they compete with each other.

Why don't we make it a rule that a player can only list items o one trader at a time. That would truely eliminate any collusion between trade guilds and promote true competition.

Here's someone tackling solutions

srfrogg23 · January 2017

I think Zos needs to implement a gameplay mechanic where trading guilds will have to choose a certain type of product that they want to specialize in selling.

Then the guilds will need to create a name that tells the customer what that guild sells, like Home Depot or AutoZone. "Motifs'R'Us" sounds like a good one to me.

And that will make it so we don't have to spend obnoxious amounts of time going from trader to trader trying to find the things we want, we can just look at the name and go directly to that store

Then everyone will be happy.

Pallmor · January 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I've played WoW. I've played SWtOR, LotRO, Eberon, etc. All of those MMO's have Auction Houses, and in every single one of them, the market is either controlled by a single massive Trade Guild, or a conglomeration of Trade Guilds working together to make sure the entire game economy works to their favor.

Oh, give me a break. I've played several other MMO's with auction houses (like Neverwinter most recently), and there wasn't any mysterious conglomerate controlling the economy. In Neverwinter when you get a nice item, you put it in the Auction House. You can choose to put it in at below the cost that other players are selling for if you want to move it fast, or you can put it in at a higher price if you're more patient. Either way, you make money. And you don't have to join any trade guilds or pay any guild dues to do it either.

If any conglomerate is at work, it's the conglomerate of major trade guilds in ESO who want to stop an auction house because it threatens their golden goose and lets anyone sell (instead of only them).

Glurin · January 2017

Tandor wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

That said I have never once seen the kind of scare stories being bandied about regarding gold sellers, or single traders monopolising the AH system. It has never happened in any of the games I have played over the last 11 or so years.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Or you simply never really used the AH systems. In either case, I doubt people around here would be particularly pleased when say, all the iron bars available on the AH are listed by the same person at 50k per stack. Or rather, mostly the same person, since there will be a few listed at 49,999 and 49,998.

The trouble is that you guys can't decide whether the problem is that there will be 50,000 sellers so we have to wade through pages and pages of items or only one seller who has bought everyone else up. Likewise, there's no agreement on whether the end result of an AH would be raised prices because of all the buying up and re-selling, or lower prices because of the increased number of sellers. I suspect, however, that the existing trading guilds are worried that increased competition from a more open system would reduce their wealth.

That's because the answer is both. Many items will be monopolized by single sellers. Others, will be drastically undercut repeatedly by multiple sellers to the point where they are essentially worthless. That is what can happen, does happen, is happening, and will continue to happen in every single MMO with a global AH system.

As for competition, that is exactly what the trader system gives you. Why? BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT MONOPOLIZE THE MARKET!!! PERIOD!!!!! It is NOT happening in ESO now, nor has it ever happened. It is not possible. It can not be done. There is no shadowy trade guild cartel controlling the entire ESO marketplace. No grand conspiracy to throw away the billions in gold that would be necessary to even attempt to take control of every trader, let alone hold them all week after week. No gold seller trade prince running around buying out all of the Trinimac motifs in the world just so he can dictate what they will be sold for. It can not be done under the guild trader system.

Why is this concept so damn difficult for you people to get through your heads?

Uriel_Nocturne · January 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I've played WoW. I've played SWtOR, LotRO, Eberon, etc. All of those MMO's have Auction Houses, and in every single one of them, the market is either controlled by a single massive Trade Guild, or a conglomeration of Trade Guilds working together to make sure the entire game economy works to their favor.

Oh, give me a break. I've played several other MMO's with auction houses (like Neverwinter most recently), and there wasn't any mysterious conglomerate controlling the economy. In Neverwinter when you get a nice item, you put it in the Auction House. You can choose to put it in at below the cost that other players are selling for if you want to move it fast, or you can put it in at a higher price if you're more patient. Either way, you make money. And you don't have to join any trade guilds or pay any guild dues to do it either.

If any conglomerate is at work, it's the conglomerate of major trade guilds in ESO who want to stop an auction house because it threatens their golden goose and lets anyone sell (instead of only them).

How nice that you've conveniently ignored the rest of my post that defeats your entire argument. The "conglomerates" could easily take control of and lock-down any centralized auction house. That type of lock-down simply isn't possible in ESO's current Guild Trader system. With so many different locations for a Guild to set up shop (over 150+ locations), there's simply no way any type of coordinating Guilds could lock down that many Trader kiosks every week.

Simple logic defeats you.

Glurin · January 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

That said I have never once seen the kind of scare stories being bandied about regarding gold sellers, or single traders monopolising the AH system. It has never happened in any of the games I have played over the last 11 or so years.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Or you simply never really used the AH systems. In either case, I doubt people around here would be particularly pleased when say, all the iron bars available on the AH are listed by the same person at 50k per stack. Or rather, mostly the same person, since there will be a few listed at 49,999 and 49,998.

Really?

I was actively engaged in the GTN Cartel Market economy of Star Wars for years.
I was one of the most pro-active craft resource traders on my server for LOTRO.
I've only used the AH in WoW as a casual buyer.

And I have never seen the issue you claim is apparent to all. In fact I spent 2 hours this afternoon fishing through the forums for those games to find substantiated claims that such monopolies were happening and guess what I found - NOTHING.

All The Best

That's because after more than a decade of this, people have just come to accept such shenanigans as par for the course. That and some MMO companies have this nasty habit of deleting such things from their forums.

Uriel_Nocturne · January 2017

Glurin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

That said I have never once seen the kind of scare stories being bandied about regarding gold sellers, or single traders monopolising the AH system. It has never happened in any of the games I have played over the last 11 or so years.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Or you simply never really used the AH systems. In either case, I doubt people around here would be particularly pleased when say, all the iron bars available on the AH are listed by the same person at 50k per stack. Or rather, mostly the same person, since there will be a few listed at 49,999 and 49,998.

The trouble is that you guys can't decide whether the problem is that there will be 50,000 sellers so we have to wade through pages and pages of items or only one seller who has bought everyone else up. Likewise, there's no agreement on whether the end result of an AH would be raised prices because of all the buying up and re-selling, or lower prices because of the increased number of sellers. I suspect, however, that the existing trading guilds are worried that increased competition from a more open system would reduce their wealth.

That's because the answer is both. Many items will be monopolized by single sellers. Others, will be drastically undercut repeatedly by multiple sellers to the point where they are essentially worthless. That is what can happen, does happen, is happening, and will continue to happen in every single MMO with a global AH system.

As for competition, that is exactly what the trader system gives you. Why? BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT MONOPOLIZE THE MARKET!!! PERIOD!!!!! It is NOT happening in ESO now, nor has it ever happened. It is not possible. It can not be done. There is no shadowy trade guild cartel controlling the entire ESO marketplace. No grand conspiracy to throw away the billions in gold that would be necessary to even attempt to take control of every trader, let alone hold them all week after week. No gold seller trade prince running around buying out all of the Trinimac motifs in the world just so he can dictate what they will be sold for. It can not be done under the guild trader system.

Why is this concept so damn difficult for you people to get through your heads?

This guy.

This guy gets it. +1

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

Glurin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

That said I have never once seen the kind of scare stories being bandied about regarding gold sellers, or single traders monopolising the AH system. It has never happened in any of the games I have played over the last 11 or so years.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Or you simply never really used the AH systems. In either case, I doubt people around here would be particularly pleased when say, all the iron bars available on the AH are listed by the same person at 50k per stack. Or rather, mostly the same person, since there will be a few listed at 49,999 and 49,998.

The trouble is that you guys can't decide whether the problem is that there will be 50,000 sellers so we have to wade through pages and pages of items or only one seller who has bought everyone else up. Likewise, there's no agreement on whether the end result of an AH would be raised prices because of all the buying up and re-selling, or lower prices because of the increased number of sellers. I suspect, however, that the existing trading guilds are worried that increased competition from a more open system would reduce their wealth.

That's because the answer is both. Many items will be monopolized by single sellers. Others, will be drastically undercut repeatedly by multiple sellers to the point where they are essentially worthless. That is what can happen, does happen, is happening, and will continue to happen in every single MMO with a global AH system.

As for competition, that is exactly what the trader system gives you. Why? BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT MONOPOLIZE THE MARKET!!! PERIOD!!!!! It is NOT happening in ESO now, nor has it ever happened. It is not possible. It can not be done. There is no shadowy trade guild cartel controlling the entire ESO marketplace. No grand conspiracy to throw away the billions in gold that would be necessary to even attempt to take control of every trader, let alone hold them all week after week. No gold seller trade prince running around buying out all of the Trinimac motifs in the world just so he can dictate what they will be sold for. It can not be done under the guild trader system.

Why is this concept so damn difficult for you people to get through your heads?

Maybe I should've used caps too.

Prob not tho it gets me in trouble however calmly looking at the details. This captures a lot of the points of view I hoped to share calmly.

It's not thatsomeone like me or them is against improving visibility or QoL changes to trading or guild stores and traders.

It's the cause and effect of certain ideas which has proven in example by example over the last 20 years to result in adverse results.

Perhaps the many of you are good honest folks. That's prob why a lot of us are here discussing this. Thing is...everyone isn't like that and sadly it doesn't take many to spoil and sieze a global economy.

Ever think why doesn't the world use one currency and have one market to access everything you need

Cause of people....similar applies here but the impacts are exaggerated due to One currency

Stopnaggin · January 2017

Seriously stop with all the over dramatic crying about Guild Traders. There is no major conspiracy going on, and if there is any of that going on it would be much worse with an auction house. No gm in this game is going to every kiosk and buying up everything so they can screw you. Its not happening.

Funny thing is all the conspiracy theories you guys keep mentioning would be 100 times easier with an auction house. If any major guilds were engaging in corning certain items, which isn't the case, why would you want to make it easier for them to do so? It's not rocket science, 150 different places to shop or 1, which would he easier to manipulate?

Anti_Virus · January 2017

I'd love this but there are millionare trade merchants that will come up with any excuse to deny any implication of it, they claim it will hurt prices but we all know that these people want to keep their monopoly on the market. Since they control it if they wanted tempering alloys to be 30K per piece they can do it and there's nothing you can do about it.

"Competition is bad for business"
-Anonymous

Jeremy · January 2017

In no MMORPG I have ever played that operated with an auction house (and I have played many) was the economy controlled by a massive trading guild or a conglomeration of trading guilds. That's absurd and resembles this game's economy more than anything else. So that argument is ridiculous.

Secondly - I remember reading why the developers opposed an auction house and it had nothing to do with people controlling the market anyway. They feared - due to this game being on a mega server - that the market would become saturated with goods and lead to massive deflation. So that was why they decided not to implement one.

This nonsense that auction houses give a small amount of people the ability to control the market is either delusional or paranoid. Or maybe both.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · January 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

That type of lock-down simply isn't possible in ESO's current Guild Trader system. With so many different locations for a Guild to set up shop (over 150+ locations), there's simply no way any type of coordinating Guilds could lock down that many Trader kiosks every week.

Of course there is. Guild Membership is account wide, so while a Trade Guild can only have 500 Members (Accounts) each account can have multiple "toons". Park an Alt Toon by each Trade Kiosk. Check 2, 3, 4 times a day for Item X, if it is listed at below Market Value buy them ALL. Add to Guild's own trader at Market Value + 50%.

Specific market cornered and price artificially inflated.

Simples.

It CAN be done, and it didn't take me more than 2 seconds to figure out how.

All The Best

Anti_Virus · January 2017

Riejael wrote: »

I don't believe those asking for an auction house actually want it.

Here's why. In Everquest there was no Bazaar, nor Auction House, or any means of trading gear without physically using the trading function from player to player. The players there took up an area of a zone called East Commonlands to do their trading.

If Guild Traders are so bad, why haven't the players here done the same? Why haven't the players chosen a central location to sell their goods and bypass the traders entirely? Here, I'll take the first step:

You need a location everyone can access right off the bat by even new characters
You need a location everyone can access despite DLC/Member status.
You need a safe location without NPCs or hostile guards (for criminals) to bother you during trades.

Pick an area that meets those criteria, or pick a few areas and vote on which to use them. Then use them over guild traders. If you did this, and I mean if you all did this for real. You would see a decline in Guild Trader usage. Guilds would be wasting money, guild trader usage would go down, and ZoS would need to step in to fix the situation. The fix is to remove the guild function and link the traders.

However this will likely fail for the following reasons:

1. You all are making a mountain out of a molehill. In other words you don't care enough to make this happen. Making it a moot issue that can safely die.
2. There's not enough of you to matter. You don't make up a majority in which it makes no sense to make the change that a majority of players don't want.
3. You're making up a nontroversy to complain about.

Are those reasons wrong? Well prove it. Pick a location and trade there. Make something happen through action. Words mean little from a minority, especially in a video game. A publisher having to pick between two sides of a customer base is logically and financially always going to pick the larger group.

If you're not a majority you don't matter in this case. Lets see if you all are.

Simply because the main cities, are a very convenient place next to all the crafting stations, and major events in town. You would need to advertise for people to find your trader in remote locations.

If you owned Walmart you would open it in a shopping center and not in the middle of the woods right?

Glurin · January 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

That type of lock-down simply isn't possible in ESO's current Guild Trader system. With so many different locations for a Guild to set up shop (over 150+ locations), there's simply no way any type of coordinating Guilds could lock down that many Trader kiosks every week.

Of course there is. Guild Membership is account wide, so while a Trade Guild can only have 500 Members (Accounts) each account can have multiple "toons". Park an Alt Toon by each Trade Kiosk. Check 2, 3, 4 times a day for Item X, if it is listed at below Market Value buy them ALL. Add to Guild's own trader at Market Value + 50%.

Specific market cornered and price artificially inflated.

Simples.

It CAN be done, and it didn't take me more than 2 seconds to figure out how.

All The Best

So your solution to preventing this rather obscure, time consuming, inefficient and ineffective method of cornering the market is to bundle everything into one, single location so that they can access the entire global supply of whatever item they want instantaneously on any single character?

Yeah, that will fix everything. /sarcasm

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

Glurin wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

That type of lock-down simply isn't possible in ESO's current Guild Trader system. With so many different locations for a Guild to set up shop (over 150+ locations), there's simply no way any type of coordinating Guilds could lock down that many Trader kiosks every week.

Of course there is. Guild Membership is account wide, so while a Trade Guild can only have 500 Members (Accounts) each account can have multiple "toons". Park an Alt Toon by each Trade Kiosk. Check 2, 3, 4 times a day for Item X, if it is listed at below Market Value buy them ALL. Add to Guild's own trader at Market Value + 50%.

Specific market cornered and price artificially inflated.

Simples.

It CAN be done, and it didn't take me more than 2 seconds to figure out how.

All The Best

So your solution to preventing this rather obscure, time consuming, inefficient and ineffective method of cornering the market is to bundle everything into one, single location so that they can access the entire global supply of whatever item they want instantaneously on any single character?

Yeah, that will fix everything. /sarcasm

Wonder why every other MMO in history has/had no problem running a server wide open market, weird.

Glurin · January 2017

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

I don't believe those asking for an auction house actually want it.

Here's why. In Everquest there was no Bazaar, nor Auction House, or any means of trading gear without physically using the trading function from player to player. The players there took up an area of a zone called East Commonlands to do their trading.

If Guild Traders are so bad, why haven't the players here done the same? Why haven't the players chosen a central location to sell their goods and bypass the traders entirely? Here, I'll take the first step:

You need a location everyone can access right off the bat by even new characters
You need a location everyone can access despite DLC/Member status.
You need a safe location without NPCs or hostile guards (for criminals) to bother you during trades.

Pick an area that meets those criteria, or pick a few areas and vote on which to use them. Then use them over guild traders. If you did this, and I mean if you all did this for real. You would see a decline in Guild Trader usage. Guilds would be wasting money, guild trader usage would go down, and ZoS would need to step in to fix the situation. The fix is to remove the guild function and link the traders.

However this will likely fail for the following reasons:

1. You all are making a mountain out of a molehill. In other words you don't care enough to make this happen. Making it a moot issue that can safely die.
2. There's not enough of you to matter. You don't make up a majority in which it makes no sense to make the change that a majority of players don't want.
3. You're making up a nontroversy to complain about.

Are those reasons wrong? Well prove it. Pick a location and trade there. Make something happen through action. Words mean little from a minority, especially in a video game. A publisher having to pick between two sides of a customer base is logically and financially always going to pick the larger group.

If you're not a majority you don't matter in this case. Lets see if you all are.

Simply because the main cities, are a very convenient place next to all the crafting stations, and major events in town. You would need to advertise for people to find your trader in remote locations.

If you owned Walmart you would open it in a shopping center and not in the middle of the woods right?

You could literally open a Walmart out in the desert 100 miles from anything even remotely resembling civilization and people would still shop there. I know that from personal experience, believe it or not.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

Glurin wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

I don't believe those asking for an auction house actually want it.

Here's why. In Everquest there was no Bazaar, nor Auction House, or any means of trading gear without physically using the trading function from player to player. The players there took up an area of a zone called East Commonlands to do their trading.

If Guild Traders are so bad, why haven't the players here done the same? Why haven't the players chosen a central location to sell their goods and bypass the traders entirely? Here, I'll take the first step:

You need a location everyone can access right off the bat by even new characters
You need a location everyone can access despite DLC/Member status.
You need a safe location without NPCs or hostile guards (for criminals) to bother you during trades.

Pick an area that meets those criteria, or pick a few areas and vote on which to use them. Then use them over guild traders. If you did this, and I mean if you all did this for real. You would see a decline in Guild Trader usage. Guilds would be wasting money, guild trader usage would go down, and ZoS would need to step in to fix the situation. The fix is to remove the guild function and link the traders.

However this will likely fail for the following reasons:

1. You all are making a mountain out of a molehill. In other words you don't care enough to make this happen. Making it a moot issue that can safely die.
2. There's not enough of you to matter. You don't make up a majority in which it makes no sense to make the change that a majority of players don't want.
3. You're making up a nontroversy to complain about.

Are those reasons wrong? Well prove it. Pick a location and trade there. Make something happen through action. Words mean little from a minority, especially in a video game. A publisher having to pick between two sides of a customer base is logically and financially always going to pick the larger group.

If you're not a majority you don't matter in this case. Lets see if you all are.

Simply because the main cities, are a very convenient place next to all the crafting stations, and major events in town. You would need to advertise for people to find your trader in remote locations.

If you owned Walmart you would open it in a shopping center and not in the middle of the woods right?

You could literally open a Walmart out in the desert 100 miles from anything even remotely resembling civilization and people would still shop there. I know that from personal experience, believe it or not.

Yeah, 1 out of 1,000,000 people that is.