zyk wrote: »

When ZOS embraced animation cancelling, it should have also been documented. It is crazy that such an important mechanic is not taught to new players. It is not at all intuitive.

Like Valve provides for new Dota 2 players, there should be a tutorial that teaches animation cancelling.

This really should be done. Such a vital part of the game. If you aren't animation cancelling in eso you aren't doing it right despite whatever you may think.


I don't understand how the majority of eso players on the forums vote against animation cancelling. It's literally how you play the game haha and, honestly it makes it funner. Setting up some delicious combo on someone is always awesome.

Pvp is already being dragged through the mud by all the bs recently. Removing animation cancelling would probably kill it off, imo.

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Lylith wrote: »

do they, now?

it's odd, i've got a 15-21 ping to dallas, but with eso mine is never under 100 and in pvp it runs 150-200+ all the time.

go figure.

@Lylith
May I know which ISP and connection package 'tier' you're subscribed to? Sounds to me like you have a really, REALLY bad connection considering you're playing from within the States. My typical ping range on good days is between 240-300ms and I'm in the Oceanic region.
It's quite disturbing how close my ping range and yours are. Better get your connections checked and/or subscribe to a better ISP/package.
EDIT: Forgot to add. The ping rate you mentioned on your side sounds very similar to when I was back in the UK (goes from 140-240). That said, I'm pretty confident that you can get your ping rates below 100ms with better subscription pack from your chosen ISP.

And. Go figure.

This game has *** servers. I have 1 gigabit Internet (live in Toronto) and get 100-140 ping in this game.

I have 20-40 ping in every other game I play.

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I dont know what animation cancelling is and if I am or am not doing it... PS4 lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTjhXLQXpac

Wollust wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I dont know what animation cancelling is and if I am or am not doing it... PS4 lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTjhXLQXpac

Oh, yes I am guilty of doing that then. Ah well, cest la vis.

Never have been a fan of it, but I do use it on players who use it on me.

It makes the game feel really choppy and has this horrible unnatural form when I do it (more choppy than the lag!) But as said before, the Devs said it was allowed and that it was being kept in the game.. as a designer it rubs me in all the wrong places, and I love seeing games with smooth animation, and epic spell casting

I know how to animation cancel, but one major problem with animation cancelling is not related to player skills. It is rather the hardware environment s/he is in. For example, my lag never allows me to do proper weave because half of the time medium weave desto does the animation for me but the ball doesn't fire out. And sometimes block cancelling works at 0.2s and sometimes at 0.8s. Getting rid of animation cancelling will at least provide a fairer competing field for people with different internet connection situations. Players who don't lag will benefit the most from animation cancelling. (such as no matter how hard I try my characters can't do things as smooth and animation cancelled as those VMA youtubers)

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Ah well, cest la vis.

I know what you're trying to say, but now it says "This is the screw".

Yes get rid of it, it is just not healthy for the game, and if it is going to be a permanent part of the game then zos should have or should, include it in the stating tutorial on how to play, I don't care about how many youtube video are out showing, I want to an official tutorial made by zos. I wonder how many people that started this game early on and never even knew about animation canceling, I can do it I just choose not to, it just makes me feel dirty, if zos had the full on embrace and tutorial then I might not feel like I am cheating when I use it.

It is part of the problem in this game along with no soft caps or hard caps, automated game play macro's are against the TOS to bad they are not enforcing the policy there would be a lot those people that hit you with 5 special in a second that would have a time out. It is hard to enjoy this game anymore with all the cheaters, exploiters, broken game mechanics, intrusive add-ons, poor balance, the game is feeling less like an Elder Scrolls game and more like a first person shooter, this is not mmo combat.

So, I am one against animation cancelling. I just hate it (that I cannot get it right) that someone actually hides his attack by cancelling an attack or skill.

But I also agree the combat will be very clunky if you cannot cancel a light or heavy attack or a spell.

But instead of making animation cancel not possible (ie. clunky combat) they should make it IF you cancel an attack, you do no damage. I do not care about PvE and they can let it in their with their burning DPS races. It should be fixed for PvP.

Yes, It might be a l2p issue since I suck at animation cancelling. But for me it also just feels wrong. Cancel for me means you decide you do not want to do it.

But there are 2 groups here:
- people who do not want animation canceling (30%)
- people who do want animation canceling (70%)

Animation canceling is already here so how can they ever get this right. Removing it just makes the other 70% mad.

Edit: I made up these numbers 70 and 30% though.

To all the people saying get rid of it, if ZOS had included a tutorial in the wailing prison when the game launched, would you still have a problem with it? For a lot of people it seems that you're just mad that it is considered an unintentional feature.

I never see it on Xbox NA. Must be a PC thing.

Hmmmm maybe. I just makes more sense if you either attack or use a skill. Not both "simultaneously". But i think it should depend on the skill maybe. After a light attack any offensive skill should should be queued, or the light attack is cancelled and the skill takes over. But dodge rolling, blocking and other defensive stuff that requires timing to survive should be allowed, not for offence.

Typhoios wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Can someone tell me the last big MMO that didn't have animation canceling?

Swtor

The combat in that game is so damn boring. I liked the stories, but once I finished the class story lines, I quit.

The combat is fine in that game in my opinion . There F2P system is garbage . Ever play a Force healer ? Pretty fun . Marauders are fun too .

Current compromise feels clunky and bad, convert back to what it was before change.

Besides, go play SWTOR and you can feel how wgreat the game is without animation canceling, there will be ability delays and light/heavy attacks would not work well with that system. Allready with the compromise, the attacks wont always happen or they happen but animation does not play, sometimes abilities wont fire after blocking because the system is in compromise mode. Combat was more fluid before it was changed and besides, its your fault if you cant execute it well, it has always been in these types of games that if some people cant use some attack system well and are not good enough, they ask game to be made easier to make themselves feel better.

Especially blocking is very unresponsive right now, if i have an attack wwith charge and see opponent making a heavy attack, i have to wait for the damned animation to finish, no way to cancel the execution right now. Sometimes even heavy attacks are too long to change to block. The focus here, should be to make blocking as responsive as it can be and also, make animations wwork better so that if you block while you are doing uppercut for example, the large weapon would not suddenly vanish mid air and poof to block position, there needs to be animation between these two states.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Can someone tell me the last big MMO that didn't have animation canceling?

Swtor

The combat in that game is so damn boring. I liked the stories, but once I finished the class story lines, I quit.

The combat is fine in that game in my opinion . There F2P system is garbage . Ever play a Force healer ? Pretty fun . Marauders are fun too .

That combat is outdated and boring, get over yourself and your misconception of what animation canceling is. Every game with fluid combat features some form of animation canceling, even newer games like Overwatch or Paragon incorporate some form of animation canceling into their combat system to help the combat feel less robotic. Games like Super Smash Bros use some forms of animation canceling as well, people enjoy the responsive and fast combat.

ESO is plauged by such a misinformed and casual player-base, people who have literally zero understanding of the game are free to come onto the forums and shoot their opinions around like they've been playing the game since launch.