Lets talk Nirnhoned

qsnoopyjr · January 2017

So, to my knowledge nirnhoned is only for crafted gear.

To my knowledge its impossible to get nirnhoned vet dungeon set helm.

Do you think they should change it so the vet dungeon sets and maybe other sets in general have a chance to be nirnhoned? Instead of NO CHANCE IN HELL/ ABSOLUTE ZERO CHANCE for nirnhoned vet dungeon set, do you think it should be .001 or so?

Ask yourself, why have nirnhoned an option yet there is no chance at getting it with end game gear.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · January 2017

Because ZOS knows we love Preposterous and Training traits more than anything! Why include a trait that could be useful when we have those two instead?

I agree with you. But ZOS needs to REMOVE Training and Preposterous from the Loot tables. I can't tell you how many head pieces and shoulder pieces from Monster sets I've deconned with those two ridiculous traits.

qsnoopyjr · January 2017

If you guys agree with me, I also want to put it out there, maybe for nirnhoned, since its a veteran ranked skill.

It should only be available for a chance to drop in vet dungeons.

So none of this, I'm a V561 I'll just solo farm for complete best trait and I'm full of money so making it gold aint no problem either. Compared to, well I gotta get others to help me because vet dungeons are not really soloable unless you obsessed with game and know every single mechanic and study dps and all that good stuff.

Vet dungeons/Trials give nirnhoned items too at a incredibly small chance? I agree they should do this myself. Cant trade em except with members too, so it wont take away market value.

Marabornwingrion · January 2017

I prefer to remove traits like prosperous/training/well-fitted instead of adding another one.

Nestor · January 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Ask yourself, why have nirnhoned an option yet there is no chance at getting it with end game gear.

I believe you can get it from vMA Drops.

The question is, why do you want Nirnhorned? No one crafts with it, it's not like it would make any Dropped Set item better either. Nirnhorned's only purpose is to research it so you can know 9 traits.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

You can get nirnhoned weapons and armor from weeklies.
And yeah, vMA weapons can drop in nirnhoned, too.

Ahzek · January 2017

Nirnhoned at the moment is very lackluster.

On armor its just plain ***.
On weapons it has the VERY niche application of getting more weapon damage for Onslaught oneshot builds, but thats about it.

Please do not pollute the loot tables even more.

idk · January 2017

@qsnoopyjr

I've received nirnhone end game gear. Specifically MoL gear.

I deconed it for matts.

IronCrystal · January 2017

Nirnhoned is terrible, no one would want it.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

Nirnhoned is terrible, no one would want it.

Master writs I guess?

qsnoopyjr · January 2017

yall silly,

Nirnhoned is best trait in game.

Lemme tell you something, whose best in pvp right now? DPS Tank or Healer?

Damn right tanks are best.
Those tanks that rekt you, they nirnhoned.

Those unkillables that people whine about, they take no damage but they woop everyone.
They nirnhoned folks.

DocFrost72 · January 2017

Nestor wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Ask yourself, why have nirnhoned an option yet there is no chance at getting it with end game gear.

I believe you can get it from vMA Drops.

The question is, why do you want Nirnhorned? No one crafts with it, it's not like it would make any Dropped Set item better either. Nirnhorned's only purpose is to research it so you can know 9 traits.

Nirn shield > reinforced shield, little known fun fact.

And Nirn has a very legitimate place in the game. Sharpened and precise are utterly useless against damage shields. Fighting a magic build reliant on shields in pvp, you'll tend to see better results with Nirn because it always works. Not to mention, vigor and rally ticks are actually larger with Nirn weapons.

A good touch up to Nirn armor would be to have reinforced and Nirn's resist value doubled and make reinforced ONLY physical, Nirn ONLY spell resist.

As for the topic, I'd support veteran dungeons, trials, and campaign rewards giving Nirn drops, for sure. It was made expensive through artificial rarity, not usefullness. Crash the market.

psychotic13 · January 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

Nirnhoned is terrible, no one would want it.

Nirnhoned is actually decent. I carry a back up weapon with Nirnhoned (same set) incase I'm dueling sorcs or other magicka players who utilise shields, I think it performs better against shield users than sharpened

Waseem · January 2017

After killing the bubble on sorc, sharpened will be superior to nirn

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2017

I agree in theory, but since I have absolutely no interest in running nirnhoned (sharp is so much better than Nirn its not even funny, unless fighting a shield stacking sorc), I would just assume not add one more thing to an already blooted loot table.

VMA weapons do come in Nirn.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

If you guys agree with me, I also want to put it out there, maybe for nirnhoned, since its a veteran ranked skill.

It should only be available for a chance to drop in vet dungeons.

So none of this, I'm a V561 I'll just solo farm for complete best trait and I'm full of money so making it gold aint no problem either. Compared to, well I gotta get others to help me because vet dungeons are not really soloable unless you obsessed with game and know every single mechanic and study dps and all that good stuff.

Vet dungeons/Trials give nirnhoned items too at a incredibly small chance? I agree they should do this myself. Cant trade em except with members too, so it wont take away market value.

how is nirnhoned veteran ranked?

i could make a lvl3 crafter now and make that the first thing i research with it. would take, what is it, four hours?

BlazingDynamo · January 2017

Nirnhoned was good before they changed what it did. As of right now it's better than reinforced for tank gear. Still they should just go back to the old nirnhoned trait and just turn the percentages into a flat value as they did with sharpened and such. Than it will be worth a damn again.

DocFrost72 · January 2017

Waseem wrote: »

After killing the bubble on sorc, sharpened will be superior to nirn

@Waseem Key word is after. If a sorc is fighting you without shields, it's either green as grass or OOM. Either way, you don't need the 1-2% more damage sharpened gives over nirn. An as I said, heals are still stronger on Nirn than sharpened, at all times regardless of opponent. Powered is better, but also doesn't help damage.

DeadlyRecluse · January 2017

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

i could make a lvl3 crafter now and make that the first thing i research with it. would take, what is it, four hours?

I *think* the first research is 30 minutes? I could be wrong.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

i could make a lvl3 crafter now and make that the first thing i research with it. would take, what is it, four hours?

I *think* the first research is 30 minutes? I could be wrong.

yes could be... long time since i did it. but you get the point?

Derra · January 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

I prefer to remove traits like prosperous/training/well-fitted instead of adding another one.

Well fitted is actually useful - can we stick to the completely useless ones?

Dark_Aether · January 2017

I'm not a rper yet I still prefer they would not go and break every lore for convenience. Nirnhoned should remain in Craglorn and MA which is a pocket realm. If they want to add it to the sets there, fine.

BigBragg · January 2017

ZOS just needs to do yet another trait balance patch.

Bigevilpeter · January 2017

Nirnhoned sucks atm anyways, until they actually buff other weapon traits that are not sharpened everything else is just trash

Qbiken · January 2017

Keep it as it is.

Claire · January 2017

Nirn is also available from end of campaign awards in Cyro. I have gotten both weapons and clothing in Nirn recently.

FortheloveofKrist · January 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

yall silly,

Nirnhoned is best trait in game.

Lemme tell you something, whose best in pvp right now? DPS Tank or Healer?

Damn right tanks are best.
Those tanks that rekt you, they nirnhoned.

Those unkillables that people whine about, they take no damage but they woop everyone.
They nirnhoned folks.

They not. Youse wrong.

starkerealm · January 2017

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

i could make a lvl3 crafter now and make that the first thing i research with it. would take, what is it, four hours?

I *think* the first research is 30 minutes? I could be wrong.

Six hours -> Twelve Hours -> Twenty-Four Hours -> Two Days -> Four Days -> Eight Days -> Sixteen Days -> Thirty-Two Days -> Sixty-Four Days

starkerealm · January 2017

Nestor wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Ask yourself, why have nirnhoned an option yet there is no chance at getting it with end game gear.

I believe you can get it from vMA Drops.

The question is, why do you want Nirnhorned? No one crafts with it, it's not like it would make any Dropped Set item better either. Nirnhorned's only purpose is to research it so you can know 9 traits.

It also serves to confuse newbies, who think it's a viable trait. "It's gotta be really good because of how expensive it is!"

qsnoopyjr · January 2017

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

If you guys agree with me, I also want to put it out there, maybe for nirnhoned, since its a veteran ranked skill.

It should only be available for a chance to drop in vet dungeons.

So none of this, I'm a V561 I'll just solo farm for complete best trait and I'm full of money so making it gold aint no problem either. Compared to, well I gotta get others to help me because vet dungeons are not really soloable unless you obsessed with game and know every single mechanic and study dps and all that good stuff.

Vet dungeons/Trials give nirnhoned items too at a incredibly small chance? I agree they should do this myself. Cant trade em except with members too, so it wont take away market value.

how is nirnhoned veteran ranked?

i could make a lvl3 crafter now and make that the first thing i research with it. would take, what is it, four hours?

Why veteran ranked you ask?
Because in order to get nirnhoned in the game you gotta be a veteran so we should keep it for veterans.

Sure you can buy a nirnhoned item and research it, but that person that is selling it either bought it or did what was necessary to obtain that nirnhoned item.

If your question is why veteran ranked, I'm not saying its ranked, I'm saying I'd like to get a vet dungeon helm/shoulder set with nirnhoned traits.

You may think its bad, but I like nirnhoned.
If sharpened beats nirnhoned in pretty much every situation and thats like 95% of the situations, maybe its time they balance traits.

If everyone is going for only sharpened/healing trait for weapons and, only mundus or impenetrable for armor, c. The rest 7 armor traits are junk, rest of 8 weapon traits junk... Well...??? Balance them or just plain out get rid of them, because they are junk. Like people said, why bother with training or prosperus, its complete junk.

Me personally, I like nirnhoned traits, its a sign of being a veteran player to me. I'm not someone who goes all in meta, nothing but impen and sharpened, because everyone else does it. I'm not stupid enough to go all in prospherus either, because thats a huge waste, that gold offset doesnt compare to the dps you get from other traits.

They need to change prospherus to items better chance and higher gold, aka a magic find set. The thieves set. Monsters give out chump change, so believe me, that prosperus trait im on board with you guys, what a joke that trait is. Sharpened and kill mobs faster get them to drop more items, which pretty much 1 item is more than 10 mobs chump change. Prosperus is completely broken trait.

idk · January 2017

@qsnoopyjr

I think Nirn can still be farmed in Craglorn and that is not longer a vet zone with 1T so Nirn is not trait only obtainable via vet levels.

Approximately half the traits are used heavily. Much more than you indicate.

DPS, yes, pretty much mostly sharpened. and divines or inpen. Heck. evem We;; fitted has a use in PvP, though limited. Some seem to like potent nirn.

Tanking, Decisive, defending, some infused, Reinforced, Nirnhone, and sturdy.

Healing, Decisive, Defending, Precise and some use powered though it is probably the weakest for healing, divines and infused for armor.

That is a big chunk of the traits. It pretty much leaves Training and Prosperous, charged as junk traits.

Last time I checked a Nirnhone shield trumps reinforced.