[Update 13] Increased AP gain

Sotha_Sil · January 2017

Even if two people were flipping all the flags in IC and farming AP there you can't really do much more than 30K AP per hour which is hardly better than some brainless Alessia bridge farm so I am not worried about nightcappers and so on.

As many have said, it might finally bring some attention to other resources and make it more strategic to have people around keeps to ensure they are guarded. But that might also be quite annoying. We will see how it plays out.

G0ku · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Yes totally! Which I'm super happy about. But should it count towards your title progression? Is it fair to the people who have spent an endless amount of hours getting up to Grand Overlord?

I saw how some people "earned" their Grand Overlord. The word "fair" would not be part of the description.

Rev Rielle · January 2017

danno8 wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

This is a good thing, and I'm surprised any can think otherwise.
As others have said; anything that gets more players in Cyrodiil is almost universally positive.

Sure there are always ways to potentially exploit it, this is already the case in-game, but any flips are broadcast to the entire Cyrodiil campaign player base by the changes flagged on our maps. So if you see something going on (e.g. flipping from one to another and back again regularly) and don't like, get your friends over there, take out the flippers, then report them.

My biggest concern isn't so much exploiting by a few people, rather the same thing that happens in GW2, where taking keeps is way more lucrative for currency to the point that people avoid fighting each other and even willfully let the other side take keeps and resources so they can be flipped back a few minutes later.

I see the more "dead" campaigns becoming a place for groups to play ring around the rosy around keeps just flipping resources. Unless the 1500 is shared between everyone, then I am not concerned.

I can understand that yes, and there certainly will be an element that goes out to Cyrodiil just to take resources/etc that will be hoping not to engage in any actual PvP. And that is okay, open world PvP (whilst Cyrodiil isn't it) should strive to entice all manner of player, from the 'hardcore' PvPer to the more relaxed.

Perhaps most importantly, this is an opportunity for the discerning PvP to embrace this new dynamic and stop the 'AP farmers' from having an easy time of it. They're in Cyrodiil after all so attack at will! Players are generally fairly predictable when it comes to what they take and why, this is doubtlessly doubly so for the majority newer/inexperienced players in Cyrodiil.

So get out there, and give them a hard time! There will surely - hopefully - be plenty of PvP to be had around these resources and the like now; both small scale and large.

andreasranasen · January 2017

Rev Rielle wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

This is a good thing, and I'm surprised any can think otherwise.
As others have said; anything that gets more players in Cyrodiil is almost universally positive.

Sure there are always ways to potentially exploit it, this is already the case in-game, but any flips are broadcast to the entire Cyrodiil campaign player base by the changes flagged on our maps. So if you see something going on (e.g. flipping from one to another and back again regularly) and don't like, get your friends over there, take out the flippers, then report them.

My biggest concern isn't so much exploiting by a few people, rather the same thing that happens in GW2, where taking keeps is way more lucrative for currency to the point that people avoid fighting each other and even willfully let the other side take keeps and resources so they can be flipped back a few minutes later.

I see the more "dead" campaigns becoming a place for groups to play ring around the rosy around keeps just flipping resources. Unless the 1500 is shared between everyone, then I am not concerned.

I can understand that yes, and there certainly will be an element that goes out to Cyrodiil just to take resources/etc that will be hoping not to engage in any actual PvP. And that is okay, open world PvP (whilst Cyrodiil isn't it) should strive to entice all manner of player, from the 'hardcore' PvPer to the more relaxed.

Perhaps most importantly, this is an opportunity for the discerning PvP to embrace this new dynamic and stop the 'AP farmers' from having an easy time of it. They're in Cyrodiil after all so attack at will! Players are generally fairly predictable when it comes to what they take and why, this is doubtlessly doubly so for the majority newer/inexperienced players in Cyrodiil.

So get out there, and give them a hard time! There will surely - hopefully - be plenty of PvP to be had around these resources and the like now; both small scale and large.

Awesome said! Slowly convincing me

fastolfv_ESO · January 2017

at the moment there is no need to actually speed up rank gains, you receive no bonuses or special items at 50 so why does someone new to the game need to hit rank 50 so fast? its not natural progression to let a noob get something he didnt earn while some people put multiple years to earn what they have. Its not like lvling from 1-50 or v16 its an actual achievement to cap out pvp ranks, the last true achieve anyone has to actually earn left in this game so why go after it now?

IcyDeadPeople · January 2017

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

at the moment there is no need to actually speed up rank gains, you receive no bonuses or special items at 50 so why does someone new to the game need to hit rank 50 so fast? its not natural progression to let a noob get something he didnt earn while some people put multiple years to earn what they have. Its not like lvling from 1-50 or v16 its an actual achievement to cap out pvp ranks, the last true achieve anyone has to actually earn left in this game so why go after it now?

No one is going to be hitting rank 50 fast. It will remain a very exclusive club.

dem0n1k · January 2017

I like the AP increase. More AP for siege, more AP for the golden vendor, faster Alliance rank progress & skill unlocks. More RotW junk :P It's all good!

olsborg · January 2017

I like the change, as long as resources/keeps have the same diminishing returns for ap after capture. So 4 ppl in different alliances cant just take turns walking on flags and earn lots of AP doing so.

runagate · January 2017

It's an alliance war.

Part of that is that combatants need an incentive to be in a particular place. Emperorship is part of that. Campaign score is, too, though I suspect most are only vaguely aware that there is such a thing, as you need to be online 12 hours a day to be in the top 10 (believe me, I've been there, in 2014, and will never do that again).

The resources and keep capture mechanics are not PvE, or PvDoor. They are what we're fighting over.

Incentivizing this properly is what will make Cyrodiil flourish if done properly.

This is the reason you don't see armies facing off in Hackdirt. There is a town called Hackdirt. No one goes there, because it is not part of the alliance war mechanism.

There's a funny looking non-combatant argonian there, though.

I wish they'd put a flag way down by the eastern bay drawbridge. What a crazy place to run into another player.

Osteos · January 2017

I am happy about the changes. It will encourage people to play the map instead of just farming. Resources gave a pittance at 25 ap this is much better. It should count toward the progression as well.

Skinzz · January 2017

Thats stupid. Now you're gonna have grand overlords running around with 15k alliance kills because all their ap comes from reflipping empty keeps and resources in buff campaigns. Another attempt to turn cyrodiil into a casual fest.

Skinzz · January 2017

It could work if 1500ap is awarded if its a level 5 resource but not just at any level to prevent exploiting. 6k ap for a keep take isnt so bad since it takes longer to flip a keep.

chaserstorm16909 · January 2017

I don't mind the changes. It will finally give me some incentive to try capturing a flag or two in the Imperial City.

zuto40 · January 2017

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I think this is fair, means that the folk that PvE can come in take the res and get Vigor etc and not have to do any PvP

but can they take the res? most players in cyrodiil can barely kill the wolves wandering around let alone a whole resource by themselves

zuto40 · January 2017

xskinzcity wrote: »

Thats stupid. Now you're gonna have grand overlords running around with 15k alliance kills because all their ap comes from reflipping empty keeps and resources in buff campaigns. Another attempt to turn cyrodiil into a casual fest.

i'll be in those campaigns to laugh as i wipe the pathetic new generals and warlords that will pop up soon and then get the nice d tic from em

DisgracefulMind · January 2017

AP has been changed numerous of times. It's not unfair to anyone, and I'm positive most pvpers, including those with a GO already have no issue with an increase to AP.

I still remember the AP floods of the old days fondly )':

DisgracefulMind · January 2017

xskinzcity wrote: »

Thats stupid. Now you're gonna have grand overlords running around with 15k alliance kills because all their ap comes from reflipping empty keeps and resources in buff campaigns. Another attempt to turn cyrodiil into a casual fest.

I mean, we're talking 60mil AP here. You would have to flip 10k keeps...it's not really easily farmed still.

mvffins · January 2017

Much needed change, don't know what campaign you are playing on but I switch constantly on my alts and most of them are either AP farms or dead campaigns. This will definitely push players to go towards objectives more often, give a chance for those that are in lower populated campaigns or only able to play during dead times to earn AP, and hopefully balance the map by giving incentive for gankers to go towards objectives.

Could it be an exploitable AP farm? Is tower/gate/sewer entrance farming players an exploitable AP farm?

Could it make becoming a grand overlord easier? Oh ya its still going to cost 64 mil...

mvffins · January 2017

Does not help those defending though

mb10 · January 2017

Weren't all you people moaning about not enough rewards for capturing keeps and resources the other day?

Rex-Umbra · January 2017

Changes should make Cyrodiil actually about objectives and not kill farming.

bubbygink · January 2017

Did anyone ever confirm if this AP is split between everyone on the flag or if everyone gets 6k/1.5k no matter how many there are?

mb10 · January 2017

werent people moaning about pvp being in the same areas all the time?

Might create incentive to fight at different keeps around the map now and will in turn reduce lag too

Eleusian · January 2017

Guildies hanging out in sewers helping boost each others Ap is exploit enuff. I can't see actually playing topside taking stuff as a exploit. Let's not talk about people running multiple accounts farming Ap. Lol

NBrookus · January 2017

zuto40 wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I think this is fair, means that the folk that PvE can come in take the res and get Vigor etc and not have to do any PvP

but can they take the res? most players in cyrodiil can barely kill the wolves wandering around let alone a whole resource by themselves

LOL. Taking an undefended resource is entirely PvE and not difficult. (No CP campaigns are the exception; resources are much tougher there.) The players coming in in divines PvE gear will do just fine; it's on par with a modestly difficult mob pull in a dungeon, and I doubt the PvE'ers just getting their warhorn are all going to be soloing anyway.

MLRPZ · January 2017

@Wollust is happy about this change, one step closer to Grand Overlord

Wollust · January 2017

MLRPZ wrote: »

@Wollust is happy about this change, one step closer to Grand Overlord

Ajantisz · January 2017

mb10 wrote: »

Weren't all you people moaning about not enough rewards for capturing keeps and resources the other day?

Lesson 1 of MMO's: Not giving the players what they want makes them unhappy.
Lesson 2 of MMO's: Giving the players what they want makes them unhappy.
Lesson 3 of MMO's: The players dont know what they want.

Skinzz · February 2017

It could work if 1500ap is awarded if its a level 5 resource but not just at any level to prevent exploiting. 6k ap for a keep take isnt so bad since it takes longer to flip a keep.

ExcaliburESO · February 2017

IMO this ap gain increase is really good, this will help players to gain aliance rank faster and also spread more around map.
Zos is closing 2 campaings on PC EU so there will be more ppl playing on 2 cp campaings that left, so instead of zerging around 2 keeps ppl will start going and trying to take other keeps and get ap from it and also more ppl will come to ic. Imo thats exacatly what zos should keep doing to make ppl spread more.