ESO-Why Can't those with Stormproof Trade VMA Weapons with each other?

SanTii.92 · September 2016

I like the idea

NoMoreChillies · September 2016

Bind on Pickup = ESO cancer

Bobby_V_Rockit · September 2016

Or, they make vMA a bit easier so that people dont mind grinding it over and over and over. Part of why I havent done it is because the difficulty is too high for a small chance to get a weapon, most likely with a trait and in a style I dont need. So why bother?

alexkdd99 · September 2016

Soundwave wrote: »

Well anything that comes a from dlc that increases your dps is p2w. That dlc is brought with crowns from crown store. Did u have to buy it, no. U can argue with this all day. But when u want a token system in the game, because you dont like RNG system. The system is there for u to keep on grinding day and day out; for a chance at something that will increase your dps.

What will be funny is after all these hours, they increase the gear lvl to 180 and u have to do it all over again. Remember insanity is when u keep doing something over and over for the same outcome.

I can never tell if people that use this type of logic are just messing around or serous.

A token system would not make anything pay to win unless of course you could purchase tokens. You expect every game to release new items and dlc for free?
People need to eat man, this idea that any item obtained through playing dlc is p2w honestly makes no sense.

How do you expect the game to progress? Do you expect to receive new content for free for as long as you play the game? Let's get real here, you are either trolling or have never seen what real pay to win is.

People who call this pay to win have obviously never experienced any true pay to win games.
When I can go pay cash and receive a full set of VO with vma weapons while playing no content, you can then call this pay to win.

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

Well anything that comes a from dlc that increases your dps is p2w. That dlc is brought with crowns from crown store. Did u have to buy it, no. U can argue with this all day. But when u want a token system in the game, because you dont like RNG system. The system is there for u to keep on grinding day and day out; for a chance at something that will increase your dps.

What will be funny is after all these hours, they increase the gear lvl to 180 and u have to do it all over again. Remember insanity is when u keep doing something over and over for the same outcome.

I can never tell if people that use this type of logic are just messing around or serous.

A token system would not make anything pay to win unless of course you could purchase tokens. You expect every game to release new items and dlc for free?
People need to eat man, this idea that any item obtained through playing dlc is p2w honestly makes no sense.

How do you expect the game to progress? Do you expect to receive new content for free for as long as you play the game? Let's get real here, you are either trolling or have never seen what real pay to win is.

People who call this pay to win have obviously never experienced any true pay to win games.
When I can go pay cash and receive a full set of VO with vma weapons while playing no content, you can then call this pay to win.

Exactly. And I agree with you 100%. I've noticed some people say things are P2W, or would be P2W — when in fact that couldn't be further from the case. P2W is when the developers put things in a cash shop of sorts, where people can spend real-life currency to gain a noticeable edge in content or gear. Like the example you made, or if ZOS were selling gold Moondancer or Alkosh rings. That would be P2W. Not a token system, where content must be cleared and a form of in-game credentials are built-up over time to be traded in for prizes of sorts.

Soundwave · September 2016

Okay so u don't have to buy the dlc to do the vma arena...

Bobby_V_Rockit · September 2016

I wish it was P2W, I'm sick of the grind for alloy and resin. I'd buy those if I could

bryanhaas · January 2017

Just allow you to purchase the VMA enchantment for 200 tokens, 1 token drops from every round. I wish BOP was removed though from the VMA weapons so at least those running VMA have a way to make some profit on it. Also wish BOP was removed from the drops in trials or at least the drops from Vet.

Danksta · January 2017

bryanhaas wrote: »

Just allow you to purchase the VMA enchantment for 200 tokens, 1 token drops from every round. I wish BOP was removed though from the VMA weapons so at least those running VMA have a way to make some profit on it. Also wish BOP was removed from the drops in trials or at least the drops from Vet.

Then people will be able to get weapons without actually clearing vMA, so I say no. I do agree with a token system that gives tokens upon completion and more tokens for a flawless clear though.

danno8 · January 2017

I would prefer a trade-in system.

For example you could trade 5 of any Maelstrom item (any trait) for a box of "Unidentified Maelstrom Staff". You could make it more specific, such as "Unidentified Maelstrom Flame Staff" to give a greater chance at getting what you want.

This way every 5 runs you at least have a chance at the weapon you want, while keeping some of the RNG factor that ZoS loves dearly.

idk · January 2017

@POps75p

The answer is very simple. The only players we can trade BoP items with are those we weee grouped with and in the instance together when the loot dropped. It also doesn't include coffer rewards.

Since we cannot be grouped together inside the same instance of vMA we dent trade.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

POps75p wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

You missed can't or not in the title.

I'd like this but I don't see it happening

tks, I just don't know how to change a title, or even if it possible

@POps75p

Please go the the post and click the gear to edit the subject and the OP as it doesn't read as you intend it to read.

-Outsideof that....I don't agree that any items obtained outside of another group member being present in an instance should be tradeable. Just my opinion.

There are opportunities to make other changes in MSA tho but I don't think it's to open up trade

Jaronking · January 2017

They really need to add this for VMA it's just stupid.

Beardimus · January 2017

Majorly disagree with many points here. MSA weapons must remain BOP. And the difficulty should not be nerfed, its just right if you really try / want to.

Sure I'm still new, so haven't done 200 times so can see a form of token / trade system may be needed tho. Maybe if you decon the weopon u get a Token but still BIS should take alpt of tokens

It was so hard it took me ages to clear. I got a sharp dagger first time. It a useless as I'm a Magika user. I said I would never come back, but to get the staff im trying, and I'm learning alot about my build. Ans playstyle and its getting easier.

People want everything for nothing, I disagree with that.

Maybe a better chance for sharp weopon first complete, but that or a limited token system is all.

Artis · January 2017

Trading is ok, but what if there's no other stormproof with a weapon you want online right now? More options are needed:

You can also make them drop from crafting writs together with master writs. And why not make it so that it can drop from fishing - as in other players threw it away in water and we found it.

Could also add a vMA vendor in cyrodiil.

Mailing a type and trait that you want to, say, @Gamemaster and getting the exact weapon you want, maybe? I'm not sure, how to make everyone in endgame have a supposed-to-be rare weapon. Maybe there are more ways I haven't thought of?

Let's keep brainstorming.

kungmoo · January 2017

I would rather VMA just drop the weapon enchant instead of a weapon..... could just craft a normal weapon then with whatever trait and slap the enchant on it and done, would still take a few runs to get the specific enchant you want but less grind

Artis · January 2017

That's a good one. Indeed, there would only be what 4 enchants? Everyone would have a weapon in like a week! Nice!

POps75p · January 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

POps75p wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

You missed can't or not in the title.

I'd like this but I don't see it happening

tks, I just don't know how to change a title, or even if it possible

@POps75p

Please go the the post and click the gear to edit the subject and the OP as it doesn't read as you intend it to read.

-Outsideof that....I don't agree that any items obtained outside of another group member being present in an instance should be tradeable. Just my opinion.

There are opportunities to make other changes in MSA tho but I don't think it's to open up trade

done, tks that was easy

p.s. that's the problem, you don't have anyone with you, but you do in all other ones, so everyone get to trade, plus they are way easier. i'm sitting at almost 100 vma weapons now, none of my 4 diff players are able to use any, so many of them are dupes as well. hell make the circuit before they start giving you dupes. just my opinion

OrphanHelgen · January 2017

If you alrady have a VMA weapon, you also have the stormproof XD
Does it mean you cant withdraw a VMA weapon from bank on a character that hasn't done VMA and trade on that character?

bigmamajama · January 2017

Hate token systems, easy mode. Takes most of the fun out of running dungeons, go run a dungeon for your magic token that the boss had in his pocket and turn it in for something you want at a vendor that accepts "monster currency".

I much prefer the RP style your "raiding" a monster lair and taking what loot they have on them and stashed in chests. You may not get what your want and that's fine, try again.

I like the way ESO works now, trading is more immersive, still gives you a chance to get what you want, promotes team play and interaction. Token systems are one of the things wrong with modern MMO's.