Instanced housing = no vendor :(

Devlin69 · December 2016

Berret wrote: »

o0Sovjet0o wrote: »

No instanced housing is not a option, then the people that are on early after release of the patch will have all the houses and the people who need to work wont have one.

Also renting a house wont work then you need to collect a load of gold just to rent a house for what a week ?

Just look at Realm Reborn. Doesn't have instanced housing and it's impossible to even get a house there. Rich players buy all the plots as soon as they open up, the small plots cost around 450k and sell them for millions.

I'm glad they are going this way, no more fighting for a certain house. No limiting you to how many houses you can get. Everyone in the end gets the same houses which will look vastly different depending on how you decorate them.

This leads to a mini game of property tycoon and adds to the overall game appeal.

I can see here though that I am in the minority so I will shut up now

Auros · January 2017

Luckily the housing will be instanced! Love it.

pattyLtd · January 2017

I don't know what instanced means exactly tbh but if it being non instanced would mean a house could only be owned by one player then i don't see how it would be possible to not be instanced.

alanmatillab16_ESO · January 2017

Devlin69 wrote: »

So housing will be instanced, very disappointing.

There will be no prestige attached to the location of your house (next to a main town or beautiful spot in the woods etc). I like the thought of wondering around Tamriel looking for that perfect spot. Instanced housing wont provide this.
This will also mean you cannot have your own vendor outside your home like in Ultima Online where you could make and sell all your own stuff. People will be using the same doorway of the instanced house so there will be nowhere for you to put a vendor for public to buy from.

I am also reading no storage? Ahhhh hang on I have 4 chars with stuff stored on them and have to do a juggling act with the inventory all the time. If there is no storage I aint buying.

I dont care about decorations if the only person that will see them is me, other games had rares that displayed your status that you could have on your doorstep outside that people would pass and think 'rich mans house' instanced housing will not allow this.
I wont buy a house with no storage.
I want my house location to be individual.
I want my own vendor so I can play shop.

There is no way they could have houses everywhere and not ruin the game. You mentioned Ultima Online, that game was awful for housing for anyone that wasn't there for the land-grab on release. Starwars Galaxies had "open" housing and it was rediculous Tatooine looked like Coruscant.

Evergnar · January 2017

Devlin69 wrote: »

I have played many MMOs and instanced housing does not work. Nobody uses the house, why would you go to a house with no storage and no vendor and no interaction with others?

A guild house may work but as a personal space it will be a lonely hole.

There will be an initial dash to get a house and then people will end up back in Rawlka where the bank, vendors, crafting, duels etc is going on.

This^. The novelty will ware off quickly with no real purpose to them. Right now the only benefit I see in owning a house (personal not guild) are the set crafting stations but how often do you really use those.

Nermy · January 2017

I would have prefered if they had done the Lord of the Rings Online way and instanced a whole housing area with different types of housing on a lovely housing estate. Then the could have had a central area with crafting stations, bankers, merchants, Remains Silent and other necessary stuff at the centre.

Whilst I'm happy housing is coming, I was very under-whelmed by the EP manor. Grey and boring if you ask me. I had thought of buying it as a guild house for my guild but far prefer the island retreat.

Oh and you can place vendors in the house... and I am totally sure that storage will come with time.

Corvusco · January 2017

Non instanced housing would not work in ESO. Think about it, you have 1 server for EU and 1 for NA. So how many millions of houses you would need.

hmsdragonfly · January 2017

Taonnor wrote: »

For not instanced housing i ask me. How many houses are in the current zones available? I mean ALL houses.

If you have a restriction of 1 per account, why is there not enough place for everyone? And why must all be instanced? It is a lazy way, a known way. Proved by many other games. But is this still enough for the current gamers?

For me not. I do not want an instanced home that nobody can see from outside. For me is the complete feature not relevant.

Devlin69 wrote: »

So housing will be instanced, very disappointing.

There will be no prestige attached to the location of your house (next to a main town or beautiful spot in the woods etc). I like the thought of wondering around Tamriel looking for that perfect spot. Instanced housing wont provide this.
This will also mean you cannot have your own vendor outside your home like in Ultima Online where you could make and sell all your own stuff. People will be using the same doorway of the instanced house so there will be nowhere for you to put a vendor for public to buy from.

Let's be real, no instanced housing is not an option. There aren't enough houses for that. Maybe it's possible to do in a dying MMO with the playerbase of 2000 but this game is crowded af. There are more than 700k subbers and the number is increasing, plus non-sub players are maybe more than twice the size, let's say there are 1 million players each megaserver, how does one squeeze in even 500k houses?

drakhan2002_ESO · January 2017

I am so happy the houses are instanced like EQ2. Unlike DAoC or SWG where you'd have "plots", which required rent...and if you missed one paymant...bam! Lost your house and had to get a new house way, way in the back of the community.

Instances removes a lot of issues with housing too.

Tabbycat · January 2017

You'd need an entire plane of Oblivion in order to have non-instanced housing.

Or would that be non-instanced housing inside of an instance making them instanced-housing?

Only Sheogorath knows.

Kodrac · January 2017

Devlin69 wrote: »

I have played many MMOs and instanced housing does not work. Nobody uses the house, why would you go to a house with no storage and no vendor and no interaction with others?

A guild house may work but as a personal space it will be a lonely hole.

There will be an initial dash to get a house and then people will end up back in Rawlka where the bank, vendors, crafting, duels etc is going on.

What games have you been playing. Instanced housing works. It's all there is these days. I haven't seen persistent world housing since SWG. And I remember in EQ2 when they added guild halls the world went silent. You never saw another player in the cities again. Everyone was in their guildhalls using those vendors, crafting stations, etc. Maybe ZOS doesn't want that to happen here. Bet you hadn't thought of that.

Mitoice · January 2017

NON instanced housing is almost impossible in this game.
1. the engine doesnt support this function, so you need to tweak the game engine.
2. Tweaking the game engine will require changing the game and YEARS of development and testing.
3. Limited space for a house to everyone is another reason.
4. Everquest Next tried this and spent years of only testing and developing non instanced housing only to be cancelled at the end.

CapnPhoton · January 2017

I have played games with both instancing and one where there is a housing zone.

Although the housing zone is kind of interesting, it doesn't work as good because people come and go, and it looked like a neighborhood in Detroit. It would be even worse in the open world.

The instancing is the way to go because of server load and your own placement of things. This is how it is done in EQ2 where there are adventuring trophies, tons of books, nick nacks, and furniture. It would be a laggy mess if it were not instanced.

Its likely they will improve on housing over time, and add features, etc. This is best done in its own closed environment.

Florial · January 2017

vanillexhope wrote: »

FF14 doesn't do instanced housing and they have a housing shortage. People buy up the homes quick and sell them at really high prices. They recently added apartments which are instanced. But still... I'd rather have a chance at a home in an instanced place than no chance at a home in a non instanced place.

I do like Rift's system where you can open your home up to the public. They can come check out your home and give you a rating and then you can see the top rated homes. That's pretty neat and an incentive to take special care in design.

Good points! And yeah, I've played plenty of games with non instanced housing and the housing shortage can be so frustrating. ArcheAge was the most recent game I played with intense competition for housing and it really resulted in some bad feelings. Lots of folks who were without for a long time right after launch.

I would hope others could visit and rate your home like Rift and as I recall, EQ2. There are some really creative folks out there and I love seeing what others can do!

patrykplawskib16_ESO · January 2017

Instant housing would be great but for the circumstances of this game it would be a auction madhouse. People with allot of gold would purchase the land and than try re-sell them for more. Secondly the game servers would not be able to handle them in the first place and many peoples with lower end PCs would suffer frame rate issues so there would be more stability issues. Thirdly I do agree that buying these housing's are pointless, more or so a benefit to RP players but that's about it. There is no inventory spaces because ZOS want to make money with people buying bank spaces and bag space so they get more $$. Honestly the housing system is nothing but another money grab for ZOS just a secondary thing in the game and not primary.

Devlin69 · March 2017

patrykplawskib16_ESO wrote: »

Thirdly I do agree that buying these housing's are pointless, more or so a benefit to RP players but that's about it.

Well ive been away a while, came back for a bit of fun and still have no desire to get a house. There are a few minor pluses like crafting tables and combat dummies but its negated by the fact i have to go to a town anyway to use the bank and other stuff I cant get in a house.

dsalter · March 2017

Devlin69 wrote: »

patrykplawskib16_ESO wrote: »

Thirdly I do agree that buying these housing's are pointless, more or so a benefit to RP players but that's about it.

Well ive been away a while, came back for a bit of fun and still have no desire to get a house. There are a few minor pluses like crafting tables and combat dummies but its negated by the fact i have to go to a town anyway to use the bank and other stuff I cant get in a house.

why the necro dude?

Devlin69 · March 2017

dsalter wrote: »

why the necro dude?

Err... what?

dsalter · March 2017

Devlin69 wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

why the necro dude?

Err... what?

topic was 2 months dead

Nerouyn · March 2017

Devlin69 wrote: »

There are a few minor pluses like crafting tables and combat dummies but its negated by the fact i have to go to a town anyway to use the bank and other stuff I cant get in a house.

You can buy the personal merchant and banker NPCs. Not only can you summon them wherever you want but they can be placed in a house. That's useless for you (because you can summon them anywhere) but other players you allow to use your home can use them.

The only things they can't do is repair and give access to the guild bank. Lack of guild bank access in particular seems bizarre because you'd think housing should be very guild friendly.

But yes, housing is widely regarded as largely pointless. It'll take a master crafter quite a while to earn enough writs to buy crafting tables and they're mostly a benefit to new characters still learning crafting and researching traits.