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Getting kicked from dungeons, need help

Reignskream
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I'd like to be a healer someday of decent reputation, but every time I get into a random dungeon, I get kicked. It could be one person keeps dieing allot, or nobody even dies, yet I still get kicked.

Am I missing something ? You'd think as a healer they'd want me there. Anyways, I could use some help concerning this situation. Thanks.
  • Sheezabeast
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    Could you describe your class, race, level, and what your basic armor/skill setup is? Like if someone see's a Bosmer in heavy armor using a resto staff to heal they might be kicked, for example. Not saying anything is wrong with your setup just wondering if its a reason your party might kick you.
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  • Publius_Scipio
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    Maybe they are not pleased with your champ point level? It sucks but it happens. Do you have chat window open to communicate with group members? Do they ask you any questions and do you respond?
  • KochDerDamonen
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    People might be kicking for loot purposes if you're not cp160, or just to be rotten, or for any unknown reason ranging from friends they want to play with to them not liking your name.

    Anything else happening? Are you OR the other people communicating and the other side is not, is it immediately before anything is done in the dungeon? Are the circumstances consistent?
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  • Reignskream
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    I'm only level 12, with a mix of heavy/light. Breton sorcerer. I'm sure allot is wrong with my setup, as I'm extremely low level and new to game. Should I avoid the random dungeon finder and stick to doing specific for now so I can choose the lower ones ?

    Skill set up for healing is as follows:

    Blood alter
    Rapid regen
    Steadfast ward
    Blessing of protection
    Healing springs
    Edited by Reignskream on January 18, 2017 5:30AM
  • Reignskream
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    Chat and voice enabled. 99.9% of the time people don't even talk.
  • Reignskream
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    I feel like just jumping over to dps because its discouraging.
  • Lukums1
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    I'm only level 12, with a mix of heavy/light. Breton sorcerer. I'm sure allot is wrong with my setup, as I'm extremely low level and new to game. Should I avoid the random dungeon finder and stick to doing specific for now so I can choose the lower ones ?

    Skill set up for healing is as follows:

    Blood alter
    Rapid regen
    Steadfast ward
    Blessing of protection
    Healing springs

    Unfortunately... level 12 is to blame...

    I don't have this type of mentality but 70% of the player base does...

    Get to 40... ish and it will change it's a *** go... it truly is.
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  • KochDerDamonen
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    Chat and voice enabled. 99.9% of the time people don't even talk.

    Probably just people kicking to be knobs to a low level. it's absolutely possible to heal these dungeons with the skills you described, though some can be considerably more involved than others Normal is straightforward and good for beginners.
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  • Horowonnoe
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    I'd like to be a healer someday of decent reputation, but every time I get into a random dungeon, I get kicked. It could be one person keeps dieing allot, or nobody even dies, yet I still get kicked.

    Am I missing something ? You'd think as a healer they'd want me there. Anyways, I could use some help concerning this situation. Thanks.
    As others have stated it appears your level is to blame for the kicks. Just do some quests or public delves to level up. This will pass.

    Fun fact: I was leveling my alt, and i got kicked many times from "normal" dungeons while i was level 12-20 before i even managed to port in an instance.
    I found it hilarious. Most of these dungeons i got kicked form could be soloed.
    Edited by Horowonnoe on January 18, 2017 5:36AM
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  • Sheezabeast
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    i strongly recommend you seek out and find a crafter to make you a set of 5 seducer 3 Magnus. 2 Heavy, 5 light, with a resto staff. This will help suppliment your healing and resources as a Sorcerer, people prefer Templars to Sorcerer healers, they might think you clicked healer while being DPS because people lie to get queue'd into dungeons.
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  • Publius_Scipio
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    I feel like just jumping over to dps because its discouraging.

    I wouldn't do that lol. I don't know why you yourself are having issues but I know that in Wayrest with all the "LFG pledges" flying around in chat, healer is one of the most wanted roles being asked for. DPS is dime a dozen.
  • Mojmir
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    OMG fix your game ZOS, or just sell it too someone who can do a better job ffs.
  • YetiSpaghetti
    Level 12 AND probably you're doing the harder version of dungeons. If I join a low level group doing Crypt of Hearts 2 or something of that sort, I just leave. It's not worth my time generally.
  • Stovahkiin
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    As others have said, you being level 12 is most likely the reason you get kicked as a healer. If healing still interests you, then I highly suggest that you just level up a bit and then try again. Also though, you should note that there are some crappy people who will practically kick you from a group just because of the tiniest little "problems", so don't let them discourage you.
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  • Reignskream
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    i strongly recommend you seek out and find a crafter to make you a set of 5 seducer 3 Magnus. 2 Heavy, 5 light, with a resto staff. This will help suppliment your healing and resources as a Sorcerer, people prefer Templars to Sorcerer healers, they might think you clicked healer while being DPS because people lie to get queue'd into dungeons.

    Interesting. I'll look into that set. Ty
  • Publius_Scipio
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    I'm only level 12, with a mix of heavy/light. Breton sorcerer. I'm sure allot is wrong with my setup, as I'm extremely low level and new to game. Should I avoid the random dungeon finder and stick to doing specific for now so I can choose the lower ones ?

    Skill set up for healing is as follows:

    Blood alter
    Rapid regen
    Steadfast ward
    Blessing of protection
    Healing springs

    Hate to say it but i'd bet its because of your lower level. Just the way people are. They want max level players so they can fly through content as fast as possible. Keep playing and leveling up (questing, grinding, etc) and don't worry about group finder right now.

    That being said, instead of using group finder use zone chat. Mention you're a lower level new to ESO player looking for some patient nice folks to group with. Further, seek out people that are around your level using chat to group with.

    Maybe one day you and I will cross paths.
  • Sheezabeast
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    Also, make sure you have the magicka regen mundas stone. its called the Antronauch and if you are in a guild, ask around for someone to give you a taxi there (you port to them to discover the shrine nearest it then you get it). Also on your armor, since you're level 12 and don't have a lot of passives yet, try to have the heavy curiass and legs and light hood be infused, and the other pieces with the divines trait, with a powered trait on your resto staff, it increases your healing done :)
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  • Publius_Scipio
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    At your level I would NOT worry too much about the best gear or a super optimized build. Use "ok" gear for as cheap you can find it or craft it yourself and focus on leveling up.
  • Reignskream
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    Thank you all for help. Favorited so I can keep this handy :)
  • Sheezabeast
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    ^ He's right. The level 12 armor will take really cheap jute and iron ingots, and you dont have to make them purple, you can use blue gear until you get to a higher level. i'm sorry if im being too specific with things i craft for lots of rowdy guys in a pvp guild :p
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  • mewcatus
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    Its just some people being jerks. On normal, I accept playing with random low levels, regardless of what class they are, even if all 3 are low levels. As long as they don't afk the whole dungeon, I more or less can carry them all through the whole dungeon, giving tips and help whenever necessary, if a newbie is having a rough time with a particular role, I chip with either a taunt/heal/support.

    Most seasoned puggers don't really boot, they are competent enough to just soldier on. Its the ones who are used to being carried that boots unreasonably because they are lacking. This is true even with the DLC dungeons. I have seen some exceptional newbies, some who understand the mechanics well, or are willing to learn quickly on the spot.

    And that is the point of the PUG Finder, its a dice roll, some goes good, some will be more rough. Got to roll with it. I pugged almost 99% of all my pledges, have not failed one yet. You don't get good by playing with the best, you get better by surviving the worst.
    Edited by mewcatus on January 18, 2017 6:01AM
  • mvffins
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    Your lvl 12 and a non-templar healer. Going to be honest but you don't have much to bring to the table as a healer yet, you can probably still manage, but in the dungeon you will mostly be carried as most support abilities don't unlock until you have more points into Restoration Staff or the Restoring Light tree.

    Just today I actually did a dungeon and looked to see that our healer was lvl 10. Seeing that this was such the rest of us in the group all changed up our skill slots, because we knew there was no way he had the skills he needed unlocked. It worked out fine, but honestly we carried him to the point where we could of 3 manned the dungeon. If it was a vet DLC dungeon things would be different though.
  • Cpt_Teemo
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    Lukums1 wrote: »
    I'm only level 12, with a mix of heavy/light. Breton sorcerer. I'm sure allot is wrong with my setup, as I'm extremely low level and new to game. Should I avoid the random dungeon finder and stick to doing specific for now so I can choose the lower ones ?

    Skill set up for healing is as follows:

    Blood alter
    Rapid regen
    Steadfast ward
    Blessing of protection
    Healing springs

    Unfortunately... level 12 is to blame...

    I don't have this type of mentality but 70% of the player base does...

    Get to 40... ish and it will change it's a *** go... it truly is.

    You can easily do dungeons at level 10, no matter if you have Cp or not everyones scaled to Cp 160
  • Cadbury
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    Lukums1 wrote: »
    I'm only level 12, with a mix of heavy/light. Breton sorcerer. I'm sure allot is wrong with my setup, as I'm extremely low level and new to game. Should I avoid the random dungeon finder and stick to doing specific for now so I can choose the lower ones ?

    Skill set up for healing is as follows:

    Blood alter
    Rapid regen
    Steadfast ward
    Blessing of protection
    Healing springs

    Unfortunately... level 12 is to blame...

    I don't have this type of mentality but 70% of the player base does...

    Get to 40... ish and it will change it's a *** go... it truly is.

    You can easily do dungeons at level 10, no matter if you have Cp or not everyones scaled to Cp 160

    But some perfer to run dungeons where everyone is 160+. Even on normal.
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  • Stannum
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    Cause people are idiots. With T1 scaling low level chars very often outperform CP-chars and non-vet non-dlc dungeons are pretty easy to do even with lack of game experience.
    Edited by Stannum on January 18, 2017 7:21AM
  • dawgyg999
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    Yep CP based prejudice I'm afraid.

    I suffered the same problem levelling up my new alt healer. Most of the time getting kicked before I even got in the dungeon. I'm at level 45 now thankfully so only a few more levels until people see my real CP.


  • SlinkySlack
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    First welcome to forum and welcome to ESO. Now I would consider you lucky, because you are at starting lv and you have discovered the forum, thus surly you'll know how to google. That being said and the reason why is I've played EUserver PS4 version since launch and it was only after a year almost ready to quit ESO completely that I discovered the forum and started to Google. Currently my main is a Brenton Sorc although my 6th build and the 1st to be truly successful. You made a very good choice from start, nice, as you progress you'll find that its very versatile, can be very powerful if set up right(where google comes in) and can do almost any and everything, all dungeons and trials.

    Now get out of the dungeons, you are wasting time and setting yourself up to stop playing before it even got fun. The other players are highly level sensitive (I like to think that they are scared and only feel save when you are at high level). Do yourself a big favor and take it from a long time vet, play with you're first character through you're alliance quests and become their HERO. Why do I say this, to lv up grinding your fist will skill point starve you, you'll be so limited in what you can do that it would not be fun hitting lv50 and starting with cp.

    Go to beginning and do all and everything your achievements say. To see what must be done, open menu, go to journal, go achievements, go character, look at what must be done. Get all sky shards and blue books. You are lv 12, go tho cyrodiil to get alliance skills, just go there and travel back to get the skills.

    At lv 15 you'll be able to bar swap, and can have more weapons and skills slotted. Enjoy the Eso world for a bit.
    When lv 35 and above you can try dungeons again, but this time you'll have way more experience, much more skills and surly enjoy it more.

    Google sorc build and rather than copy, try see what they are trying to do and do that with the skills you have, some META builds look nice but they can only be played by such META players, so that's why I say, rather try to see what they are trying to accomplice with the build and try to do the same. Join a guild and ask for help, they'll point you in right direction.

    Good luck and enjoy ESO.
  • Titansteele
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    Find a friendly guild :smile:

    I have helped many people through their first dungeons as low as level 8. Some players want to know what the dungeons "feel" like here and our guild is full of people happy to oblige and wait while new players read the quest dialogue :smile:

    I do mirror all the other advice presented here however, you will get booted from most random groups at that level.
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  • Rev Rielle
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    Yeah, it's a real shame. But many players that have played since launch have forgotten that once they were starting out too.
    It's unfortunate but almost always happens as MMOs age.

    I'd encourage you to keep at. Hopefully you'll find a group of like-minded, and similarly leveled/experienced players you can join up with on a semi regular basis. Find those players that are sensible and realise that failure isn't the end of the world, and if you can't finish a dungeon it doesn't mean the sun won't come up tomorrow.

    Finally, there also various guilds you can join that seem to be receptive of new players, or at least are more casual and understanding not everything has to be done perfectly/the-first-time.

    Goodluck.
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  • Dawnblade
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    Cadbury wrote: »
    Lukums1 wrote: »
    I'm only level 12, with a mix of heavy/light. Breton sorcerer. I'm sure allot is wrong with my setup, as I'm extremely low level and new to game. Should I avoid the random dungeon finder and stick to doing specific for now so I can choose the lower ones ?

    Skill set up for healing is as follows:

    Blood alter
    Rapid regen
    Steadfast ward
    Blessing of protection
    Healing springs

    Unfortunately... level 12 is to blame...

    I don't have this type of mentality but 70% of the player base does...

    Get to 40... ish and it will change it's a *** go... it truly is.

    You can easily do dungeons at level 10, no matter if you have Cp or not everyones scaled to Cp 160

    But some perfer to run dungeons where everyone is 160+. Even on normal.

    What a max CP player prefers shouldn't matter when they are too lazy to make their own group and go run hard mode and instead queue up normal mode using the random group finder.

    ZOS should add logic to the kick mechanic whereby the more you kick, the longer the interval before you can kick again, to the point where if you habitually kick, you lose the ability altogether, as well as possibly disable the ability to kick at all until some time into the run (like 5 minutes) and / or the first boss is at least attempted.

    They should also better balance the dungeons or create separate queues based on difficulty, with my preference being better balance as more tiers would most likely result in longer queue times.

    Letting lazy CP 'champs' kick lowbies / low CP players simply because they don't want them in groups while using the random group tool open to all is just bad for business - does ZOS really believe these players will keep paying them to access a game where they get kicked for being low level.

    Edited by Dawnblade on January 18, 2017 10:20AM
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