zerging haven't we had enough True Flame

aidenmoore · January 2017

Valencer wrote: »

Faction stacks will stop the moment the game actually punishes people for it.

I disagree. If they can do it, they will do it. No matter the punishment. AD doesn't care. If the keep isn't yellow, they will send more and more people to change it to yellow. So this thread coming from them is HILARIOUS.

CyrusArya · January 2017

KisoValley wrote: »

NA drama damn

~~It's the edge of the world
And all of western civilization
The sun may rise in the East
At least it settles in the final location
It's understood that Hollywood
Sells Californication~~

NA knows drama because we are the heart of drama and entertainment in this brave new world.

On topic: it's always hilarious when the leader of a Zerg guild complains about zerging. This is kinda like Sypher posting about how 1vX is bad for the game or Scribes condemning profanity and trolling.

kewl · January 2017

Until Cyro is changed l2z or Alessia Bridge.

Joy_Division · January 2017

Anazasi wrote: »

I just wanted to start this conversation off because I've been reminded a few times lately of the excessive amount of it. I mean really, why does it take 60 players to take anything on the map? I was laughing earlier today at some whispers from an EP player who was actually proud of stacking EP raids. Is this what the community has come to? The question is no longer who has skill or the best group composition or even the best gear or meta build. It simply is how many idiots does it take to capture a keep. Of course everyone will declare we don't zerg it's the other guys. Seriously if that is your justification for doing it you should be ashamed. Stacking raids is a problem and everyone needs to part of the solution.

Yeah I know no one will care and many flamers will post responses but if you use miats pvp add on you know what the reality is and what the real problems are with ESO. Shame on you for doing it especially the so called elite guilds when you surf along amongst the mindless hordes.

You may now post your responses declaring me terrible.

If you haven't figured it out by now, you're beyond hope.

asneakybanana · January 2017

Anazasi wrote: »

I just wanted to start this conversation off because I've been reminded a few times lately of the excessive amount of it. I mean really, why does it take 60 players to take anything on the map? I was laughing earlier today at some whispers from an EP player who was actually proud of stacking EP raids. Is this what the community has come to? The question is no longer who has skill or the best group composition or even the best gear or meta build. It simply is how many idiots does it take to capture a keep. Of course everyone will declare we don't zerg it's the other guys. Seriously if that is your justification for doing it you should be ashamed. Stacking raids is a problem and everyone needs to part of the solution.

Yeah I know no one will care and many flamers will post responses but if you use miats pvp add on you know what the reality is and what the real problems are with ESO. Shame on you for doing it especially the so called elite guilds when you surf along amongst the mindless hordes.

You may now post your responses declaring me terrible.

I really see no issue with the way pvp is right now. Sure getting mowed over by 80 people when there are 16-20 of you defending a keep blows but at the same time Ive taken and been in 12-16 mans that have taken keeps that both ad and dc were fighting over. Sure, if you want a front line keep such as chalman when dc has bleakers or brk when ad has sej, of course youre going to see a huge number of people there. Those keeps are basically the launching point for the faction. Just like trying to take arrius when dc has chal or ad has brk, everyone just naturally stacks there because that is the closest place they are going to find action. But if you go out of your way to break off from the rest of your faction and go to the fighting between the other 2 factions you will find that while there are going to be more enemies you can also achieve a lot by utilizing the element of surprise and pushing into a fight at the proper time.

Also you seem to be pretty aware that PVDooring keeps is pretty easy as well and that doesnt take 60 people and that helps to pull people off of those front line keeps so that it wont take as many people to take them since a significant amount of the defenders will end up leaving to go take their back line keeps back.

I have seen you sitting at sej so many times w/ 70+ ad and not pushing into the 30 ep that are defending it but instead just lagging out the whole server while you wait. It's super frustrating when we are so outnumbered but cant do anything for 15-20 minutes because you and your entire faction are perma sieging right outside of a keep and if we go to flank w/ our 10 man we just get zerged and sieged to death but if we wait we will literally have to wait for 30+ minutes sometimes and its stupid man. You just need sack up and push, either you wipe, in which case you spawn at the camp and try again or you succeed and end up taking the keep. No need to sit out there w/ your tail between your legs forever and ruining the pvp for everyone else on the server. Either push in or leave and go take a back line keep to make ep suffer in other ways if they want to stack an outpost simple as that, just stop wasting out time.

FENGRUSH · January 2017

asneakybanana wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I just wanted to start this conversation off because I've been reminded a few times lately of the excessive amount of it. I mean really, why does it take 60 players to take anything on the map? I was laughing earlier today at some whispers from an EP player who was actually proud of stacking EP raids. Is this what the community has come to? The question is no longer who has skill or the best group composition or even the best gear or meta build. It simply is how many idiots does it take to capture a keep. Of course everyone will declare we don't zerg it's the other guys. Seriously if that is your justification for doing it you should be ashamed. Stacking raids is a problem and everyone needs to part of the solution.

Yeah I know no one will care and many flamers will post responses but if you use miats pvp add on you know what the reality is and what the real problems are with ESO. Shame on you for doing it especially the so called elite guilds when you surf along amongst the mindless hordes.

You may now post your responses declaring me terrible.

I really see no issue with the way pvp is right now.

BFT88 · January 2017

Anazasi wrote: »

I just wanted to start this conversation off because I've been reminded a few times lately of the excessive amount of it. I mean really, why does it take 60 players to take anything on the map? I was laughing earlier today at some whispers from an EP player who was actually proud of stacking EP raids. Is this what the community has come to? The question is no longer who has skill or the best group composition or even the best gear or meta build. It simply is how many idiots does it take to capture a keep. Of course everyone will declare we don't zerg it's the other guys. Seriously if that is your justification for doing it you should be ashamed. Stacking raids is a problem and everyone needs to part of the solution.

Yeah I know no one will care and many flamers will post responses but if you use miats pvp add on you know what the reality is and what the real problems are with ESO. Shame on you for doing it especially the so called elite guilds when you surf along amongst the mindless hordes.

You may now post your responses declaring me terrible.

Yeah you and a group of 10 popped two destro ults on me a few days ago at cropsford, just me. So im not even going to read your post. Take your own advice.

asneakybanana · January 2017

FENGRUSH wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I just wanted to start this conversation off because I've been reminded a few times lately of the excessive amount of it. I mean really, why does it take 60 players to take anything on the map? I was laughing earlier today at some whispers from an EP player who was actually proud of stacking EP raids. Is this what the community has come to? The question is no longer who has skill or the best group composition or even the best gear or meta build. It simply is how many idiots does it take to capture a keep. Of course everyone will declare we don't zerg it's the other guys. Seriously if that is your justification for doing it you should be ashamed. Stacking raids is a problem and everyone needs to part of the solution.

Yeah I know no one will care and many flamers will post responses but if you use miats pvp add on you know what the reality is and what the real problems are with ESO. Shame on you for doing it especially the so called elite guilds when you surf along amongst the mindless hordes.

You may now post your responses declaring me terrible.

I really see no issue with the way pvp is right now.

was a joke

but in all seriousness the game is playing the same now as it has for the past 34 months idk why anyone is surprised at this point tbh. People have always stacked as many people as possible to defend or take crucial keeps, and people will always stack as many people as possible to defend or take crucial keeps because it is simply the most efficient way of defending. Sure it blows that the server comes to a crawl during those points but just like in real life, numbers matter, they may not be the end all, especially w/ destro ults, but having 2x the amount of players at a keep as your enemy is a pretty steep advantage and extremely difficult to overcome especially once the lag starts. At least for me it's hard to say to people no, you shouldnt be stacking that many people to take a keep, since it is basically human nature.

jamesfaine_ESO · January 2017

Every single organized raid on all three factions could vow tomorrow not to run more than 24 man raids and guess what... There would still be zergs. The pugs, casuals and elite 1vXers will always follow the heard because there is 1: Safety in numbers 2: The zergs are where the action is 3: If you are not near a large group you will probably... wait for it... get zerged down. And best of all even if that were not the case, there will always be someone that realizes the easy road to victory is pug herding off prime time.

These days we (PM) rarely, and I mean maybe once a week, have more than a full raid, and even then it is usually just +3 or +4 following along with the raid waiting for a spot to open up. And yet we have this massive herd of camp followers that move where we move. I know VE and Fantasia have this as well, because we tease each other about it. You even see it with guilds. Its not often you see Blood Of Squishy without Iron Lesion on our side of the map these days.

In short on TF NA, Get Gud or Get Zerg. The more you do one the less you want to do of the other. It is a self perpetuating cycle. I guess its lucky there are all those other less populous servers for people to play on. Remember folks, they are not just for streamers to beat up on noobs and crown themselves emp. You can actually go there and have good fights! At least until the other side zergs you down.

Mako1132 · January 2017

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Vipcombat is the only guy running groups and trying to teach the potatoes on EP on non peak time.

He's also Brandon-South-Ga.

I would honestly be ashamed to have that guy on my faction.

Ghost-Shot · January 2017

Mako1132 wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Vipcombat is the only guy running groups and trying to teach the potatoes on EP on non peak time.

He's also Brandon-South-Ga.

I would honestly be ashamed to have that guy on my faction.

I'm telling you, he's been hiding in a corner somewhere all this time spamming healing springs, that's where all the lag comes from.

Publius_Scipio · January 2017

The EP is not a healthy alliance right now. So much so in fact that in a moment of clarity and sanity the once MAD KING himself, Krotha, left his birth alliance and went to the COVENANT. But he made the right decision by aligning himself with FENGRUSH. Albeit they operate in Azura's now and that can't save TF.

People like Nymeria are just echoes, whispers, small ripples disturbing the surface of the pond from a bygone era. Anazaski is an elf, make no mistake about that. He is less Mojican (another elf) and more warlord leader in the image of Crown (a 3rd elf). but Nymeria in a former life was standing around servicing maniacal EP guild leaders with heals.

Psilent · January 2017

FENGRUSH wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I just wanted to start this conversation off because I've been reminded a few times lately of the excessive amount of it. I mean really, why does it take 60 players to take anything on the map? I was laughing earlier today at some whispers from an EP player who was actually proud of stacking EP raids. Is this what the community has come to? The question is no longer who has skill or the best group composition or even the best gear or meta build. It simply is how many idiots does it take to capture a keep. Of course everyone will declare we don't zerg it's the other guys. Seriously if that is your justification for doing it you should be ashamed. Stacking raids is a problem and everyone needs to part of the solution.

Yeah I know no one will care and many flamers will post responses but if you use miats pvp add on you know what the reality is and what the real problems are with ESO. Shame on you for doing it especially the so called elite guilds when you surf along amongst the mindless hordes.

You may now post your responses declaring me terrible.

I really see no issue with the way pvp is right now.

What are your thoughts on the current state of PvP?

I PvP 3 nights a week with my group of 12 to 16 and I'd say 95% of the time I have a great experience. The other 5% of the time is terrible and mostly that is due to poor choices on my group's part; even though it would be easier to blame the other faction for stacking.

The problems I have with the current group meta is that it's to easy to counter and it's very unforgiving if you make a mistake. I'm hoping the partial removal of AoE caps will make it better, but I feel it'll be even more of a bomb meta than it is now.

NBrookus · January 2017

BFT88 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I just wanted to start this conversation off because I've been reminded a few times lately of the excessive amount of it. I mean really, why does it take 60 players to take anything on the map? I was laughing earlier today at some whispers from an EP player who was actually proud of stacking EP raids. Is this what the community has come to? The question is no longer who has skill or the best group composition or even the best gear or meta build. It simply is how many idiots does it take to capture a keep. Of course everyone will declare we don't zerg it's the other guys. Seriously if that is your justification for doing it you should be ashamed. Stacking raids is a problem and everyone needs to part of the solution.

Yeah I know no one will care and many flamers will post responses but if you use miats pvp add on you know what the reality is and what the real problems are with ESO. Shame on you for doing it especially the so called elite guilds when you surf along amongst the mindless hordes.

You may now post your responses declaring me terrible.

Yeah you and a group of 10 popped two destro ults on me a few days ago at cropsford, just me. So im not even going to read your post. Take your own advice.

Nah, you weren't zerged. He was running <25... so def not a zerg.

Celas_Dranacea · January 2017

Wow a lot of folks got bent out of shape real quick!

There's a difference between the post that @Drummerx04 made basically saying, "Stop Zerging AD, you guys are the problem" and what @Anazasi said which was basically, "Everybody stacks groups, in fact I heard of players who are proud of how hard they stack, and this is getting ridiculous."

Like I said in the other thread, where possible you have to anticipate when your enemy is stacked at one keep and use that opportunity to hit other objectives.

Btw I think it's very nerdy to dwell on those times that you get chased down solo by 15+ people as though somebody offended your family's honor. That happens to me on a weekly basis and I never feel like complaining about it, especially when I'm at an enemy resource / ganking in the paths of enemy travel etc. On the flip side, when i find some knockoff stamsorc farming an AD resource, dodge rolling in circles with eternal hunt trying to 1vX, I have no problem with chasing that person down with 10+ people and murdering them.

Luigi_Vampa · January 2017

I actually find it pretty amusing to see my fellow DC players complain about EP or AD zergs while stacking 50+ at a keep themselves. My personal favorite is seeing 30+ DC chase Zerg Squad around saying "ugh these ball groups are cancer!"

Mako1132 · January 2017

Psilent wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I just wanted to start this conversation off because I've been reminded a few times lately of the excessive amount of it. I mean really, why does it take 60 players to take anything on the map? I was laughing earlier today at some whispers from an EP player who was actually proud of stacking EP raids. Is this what the community has come to? The question is no longer who has skill or the best group composition or even the best gear or meta build. It simply is how many idiots does it take to capture a keep. Of course everyone will declare we don't zerg it's the other guys. Seriously if that is your justification for doing it you should be ashamed. Stacking raids is a problem and everyone needs to part of the solution.

Yeah I know no one will care and many flamers will post responses but if you use miats pvp add on you know what the reality is and what the real problems are with ESO. Shame on you for doing it especially the so called elite guilds when you surf along amongst the mindless hordes.

You may now post your responses declaring me terrible.

I really see no issue with the way pvp is right now.

What are your thoughts on the current state of PvP?

I PvP 3 nights a week with my group of 12 to 16 and I'd say 95% of the time I have a great experience. The other 5% of the time is terrible and mostly that is due to poor choices on my group's part; even though it would be easier to blame the other faction for stacking.

The problems I have with the current group meta is that it's to easy to counter and it's very unforgiving if you make a mistake. I'm hoping the partial removal of AoE caps will make it better, but I feel it'll be even more of a bomb meta than it is now.

lag, lag, more negates than players in my group used on us, oh whoopsie daisy I stepped into an invisible negate and now I'm root spammed and have five destro ults on me.

Darnathian · January 2017

asneakybanana wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I just wanted to start this conversation off because I've been reminded a few times lately of the excessive amount of it. I mean really, why does it take 60 players to take anything on the map? I was laughing earlier today at some whispers from an EP player who was actually proud of stacking EP raids. Is this what the community has come to? The question is no longer who has skill or the best group composition or even the best gear or meta build. It simply is how many idiots does it take to capture a keep. Of course everyone will declare we don't zerg it's the other guys. Seriously if that is your justification for doing it you should be ashamed. Stacking raids is a problem and everyone needs to part of the solution.

Yeah I know no one will care and many flamers will post responses but if you use miats pvp add on you know what the reality is and what the real problems are with ESO. Shame on you for doing it especially the so called elite guilds when you surf along amongst the mindless hordes.

You may now post your responses declaring me terrible.

I really see no issue with the way pvp is right now. Sure getting mowed over by 80 people when there are 16-20 of you defending a keep blows but at the same time Ive taken and been in 12-16 mans that have taken keeps that both ad and dc were fighting over. Sure, if you want a front line keep such as chalman when dc has bleakers or brk when ad has sej, of course youre going to see a huge number of people there. Those keeps are basically the launching point for the faction. Just like trying to take arrius when dc has chal or ad has brk, everyone just naturally stacks there because that is the closest place they are going to find action. But if you go out of your way to break off from the rest of your faction and go to the fighting between the other 2 factions you will find that while there are going to be more enemies you can also achieve a lot by utilizing the element of surprise and pushing into a fight at the proper time.

Also you seem to be pretty aware that PVDooring keeps is pretty easy as well and that doesnt take 60 people and that helps to pull people off of those front line keeps so that it wont take as many people to take them since a significant amount of the defenders will end up leaving to go take their back line keeps back.

I have seen you sitting at sej so many times w/ 70+ ad and not pushing into the 30 ep that are defending it but instead just lagging out the whole server while you wait. It's super frustrating when we are so outnumbered but cant do anything for 15-20 minutes because you and your entire faction are perma sieging right outside of a keep and if we go to flank w/ our 10 man we just get zerged and sieged to death but if we wait we will literally have to wait for 30+ minutes sometimes and its stupid man. You just need sack up and push, either you wipe, in which case you spawn at the camp and try again or you succeed and end up taking the keep. No need to sit out there w/ your tail between your legs forever and ruining the pvp for everyone else on the server. Either push in or leave and go take a back line keep to make ep suffer in other ways if they want to stack an outpost simple as that, just stop wasting out time.

Lmao. How is that different then u guys tower farming? My god the hypocracy. Or bridge farming? You dont think they cause lag?

Anazasi · January 2017

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I do find these things useful. Everyone should recognize that at some point the virtual Forum becomes a virtual reality and if possible a catalyst for virtual change. While many players dislike my perspectives and me apparently, I think we can all agree that everyone stacks not by choice at this point but out of necessity. If we want to change this for the better a relative discussion should be had here and hopefully ZOS will listen to what the players would like. I do not lay blame solely on the players for our current situation, in fact I feel it rests more on ZOS than us. But as players and consumers we have the ability and perhaps the obligation to recognize the negative aspects and insist that ZOS make changes.

Please continue to discuss my zerging tendencies as I am sure I have ruined several 1vx'rs entertainment at a town or resource.

Jeremy · January 2017

Anazasi wrote: »

I just wanted to start this conversation off because I've been reminded a few times lately of the excessive amount of it. I mean really, why does it take 60 players to take anything on the map? I was laughing earlier today at some whispers from an EP player who was actually proud of stacking EP raids. Is this what the community has come to? The question is no longer who has skill or the best group composition or even the best gear or meta build. It simply is how many idiots does it take to capture a keep. Of course everyone will declare we don't zerg it's the other guys. Seriously if that is your justification for doing it you should be ashamed. Stacking raids is a problem and everyone needs to part of the solution.

Yeah I know no one will care and many flamers will post responses but if you use miats pvp add on you know what the reality is and what the real problems are with ESO. Shame on you for doing it especially the so called elite guilds when you surf along amongst the mindless hordes.

You may now post your responses declaring me terrible.

In MMO PvP it's either zerg or be zerged.

I learned that unfortunate fact a long time ago.

kuro-dono · January 2017

eso pvp needs.. no ap rewarded from kills. simple as that.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Vipcombat is the only guy running groups and trying to teach the potatoes on EP on non peak time.

He's also Brandon-South-Ga.

I would honestly be ashamed to have that guy on my faction.

I'm telling you, he's been hiding in a corner somewhere all this time spamming healing springs, that's where all the lag comes from.

Dial EG55 for lag .

Im_MegaDeath · January 2017

This thread XD Zerging isnt going anywhere. Map design encourages it, scrubs enjoy it, no real counter to it unless you either zerg or have a skilled small man fight it for like 30mins.

On a different note, yall should come see my house on minecraft its *** lit ^_^

caeliusstarbreaker · January 2017

The Scrolls of Our Lives

This weeks episode, a zerger complains about zerging while, and ex-zerger berates said zerger, about zerging, whose opinion of zerging, is different than the zerger's zerging. While the forum dwellers Zerg the post with their Zerg opinions on zerging.

Beware13 · January 2017

FENGRUSH wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

I really see no issue with the way pvp is right now.

Wait is there something wrong with pvp?

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RadioheadSh0t · January 2017

WTB Battlegrounds.

stealthyevil · January 2017

MaximillianDiE · January 2017

TF is unplayable at the moment with all the ball groups from all 3 sides stacking worse than I've ever seen it on the NA servers since launch. When all those EOTS pop which is the current meta my frame rate plummets into single figures and lag spikes to make my character appear to be wading unresponsively through waist deep jello. Not sure how anyone can find those slideshow fights fun - they're the very definition of frustration for me.

ESO can be really fun at times (and is on the server I've been on since the weekend) but the engine/servers simply can't handle the current meta on TF. Whoever thought that introducing even more lag inducing visually spectacular but resource intensive ultis into the game needs to be fired...

pcar944 · January 2017

Ghostbane wrote: »

Universal Truths

1) Every faction has been faction-stacking since 2014, to counteract the opposing factions faction-stacking.
2) No singular faction has the patent on zerging. Open source baby.
3) You've zerged intentionally or unintentionally.

and the faster people realize this and quit BS'ing the better off we are all going to be

Psilent · January 2017

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

WTB Battlegrounds.

Yea, did a few WoW battlegrounds to escape the zerging in ESO. I was guarding the flag at the Arathi Basin LM and got mowed down by 10 players.

Did the 40v40 Alterac Valley and was destroying a tower. Got ran over by 20 players.

Played capture the flag in Warsong gulch, didn't have the flag, got ran over by 8 players.

Decided to do World PvP at one of the new locations in Legion. Got ran over by 7 people. Got into a 1v1, almost won until 10 people thought it'd be cool to run me over.

Battlegrounds don't seem like the paradise these forums make them out to be.