People selling the maw skin on PS4 na

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

JinMori wrote: »

And she must be really desperate to pay 4 mil for a useless skin...

Gold is easy to make and once you have enough to suit your "useful needs", it becomes useless too. Housing will make gold useful again, but until then, and even then, it's not silly to spend it on a nice rare skin.

bebynnag · January 2017

4 mil to be carried through a vet trial

the phrase more money than sense comes to mind....

but then i think of how much money i have spent on armour & tempers so i can complete content (some of which i am yet to do) and i realise.... 4 million was probablly a bargain!

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

Yeah 4m for a carry through jeese I'd rather have spent 2m on every motif in game and still have 2m left over tbh over the achieve / skin but that's me

TrueGreenSmoker · January 2017

rustic_potato wrote: »

Wow 4 million? The Maw skin is being sold for less than a million on the PC NA server..

PS4 NA prices are F'ed like alot of stuff is overpriced. Like the alloys, wax, rosin, imp armour, sharp weapons, skin and poly's

SanSan · January 2017

I feel sorry for her and people who got scammed but come on. Ask your friends or people to help you. Don't pay people to "help" you.

Cimadon · January 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Unless they've changed position on it, scamming is a reportable offense. She paid 4m for a service that wasn't provided, she can file a ticket on the guy who screwed with her, assuming the agreement was made in game, and not via an external system.

It was made in-game through text chat. She barely understood English so the guy exploited that, got the gold, and blocked her+ran away.

That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).

And the girl who got scammed has been carried through vMoL now by me and some guildies situation has been resolved, and I'm almost positive she got over half of the gold back (not totally sure about all the details).

I'm not trying to start another debate here, but i'm curious. If the scenario stays the same, but it is a guy who got scammed, would you have reacted the same? Like giving him over half his gold back, free carry etc. In the back of my head, I keep thinking people would just say "suck it up"/"stupid" and not really help. But I hope I'm wrong. Think about it.

Vaoh · January 2017

Cimadon wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Unless they've changed position on it, scamming is a reportable offense. She paid 4m for a service that wasn't provided, she can file a ticket on the guy who screwed with her, assuming the agreement was made in game, and not via an external system.

It was made in-game through text chat. She barely understood English so the guy exploited that, got the gold, and blocked her+ran away.

That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).

And the girl who got scammed has been carried through vMoL now by me and some guildies situation has been resolved, and I'm almost positive she got over half of the gold back (not totally sure about all the details).

I'm not trying to start another debate here, but i'm curious. If the scenario stays the same, but it is a guy who got scammed, would you have reacted the same? Like giving him over half his gold back, free carry etc. In the back of my head, I keep thinking people would just say "suck it up"/"stupid" and not really help. But I hope I'm wrong. Think about it.

why would it change anything?

I can't totally speak for others, but the consensus was that this was a really messed up situation so we wanted to help. A handful of players didn't even know it was a girl that they carried through the trial.

I run vMoL daily. This run was a must for me because someone legitamately needed help and we needed to make the pos who scammed her pay up/get kicked.

The victim's PSN wasn't even girly or anything.

So no, it had nothing to do with the victim being a girl. Someone who barely speaks English being scammed for 4M gold over a vMoL carry is a big deal. We wanted to help, so we did. No gold needed for that.

Nova Sky · January 2017

'Tis good to see that empathy, concern and helpfulness exists among some ESO players.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

Nova Sky wrote: »

'Tis good to see that empathy, concern and helpfulness exists among some ESO players.

^^

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Cimadon · January 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Cimadon wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Unless they've changed position on it, scamming is a reportable offense. She paid 4m for a service that wasn't provided, she can file a ticket on the guy who screwed with her, assuming the agreement was made in game, and not via an external system.

It was made in-game through text chat. She barely understood English so the guy exploited that, got the gold, and blocked her+ran away.

That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).

And the girl who got scammed has been carried through vMoL now by me and some guildies situation has been resolved, and I'm almost positive she got over half of the gold back (not totally sure about all the details).

I'm not trying to start another debate here, but i'm curious. If the scenario stays the same, but it is a guy who got scammed, would you have reacted the same? Like giving him over half his gold back, free carry etc. In the back of my head, I keep thinking people would just say "suck it up"/"stupid" and not really help. But I hope I'm wrong. Think about it.

why would it change anything?

I can't totally speak for others, but the consensus was that this was a really messed up situation so we wanted to help. A handful of players didn't even know it was a girl that they carried through the trial.

I run vMoL daily. This run was a must for me because someone legitamately needed help and we needed to make the pos who scammed her pay up/get kicked.

The victim's PSN wasn't even girly or anything.

So no, it had nothing to do with the victim being a girl. Someone who barely speaks English being scammed for 4M gold over a vMoL carry is a big deal. We wanted to help, so we did. No gold needed for that.

It shouldn't. And I'm glad it didn't. I've just experienced differently before and was curious. (As stated). Not that people would probably admit they would act differently.

timidobserver · January 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Question to people in this thread who think the girl was dumb/naive/stupid... how would you suggest she could have secured her transaction ?

@Vaoh : that's what I tought : you're a nice guy ! (no irony included, you just did the right thing and that's nice).

She probably shouldn't have secured the transaction. No transaction requiring that much trust should even be attempted.

The only somewhat acceptable way to go about is is purchasing it through a trade guild. For example, I am in a top-end trade guild that auctions maw clears off from time to time. This is still a little risky, but trade guilds tend to rely on their auctions to survive, so being ripped off by a trade guild auction is unlikely.

Vaoh · January 2017

timidobserver wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Question to people in this thread who think the girl was dumb/naive/stupid... how would you suggest she could have secured her transaction ?

@Vaoh : that's what I tought : you're a nice guy ! (no irony included, you just did the right thing and that's nice).

She probably shouldn't have secured the transaction. No transaction requiring that much trust should even be attempted.

The only somewhat acceptable way to go about is is purchasing it through a trade guild. For example, I am in a top-end trade guild that auctions maw clears off from time to time. This is still a little risky, but trade guilds tend to rely on their auctions to survive, so being ripped off by a trade guild auction is unlikely.

Well let's get the situation straight.....

1) She barely spoke English. Completing a transaction like this was difficult to go though with in the first place. She needed to get her message across without complicating stuff.
2) She was talking to someone representing one of the best PS4 NA guilds for PvE. Any guild that regularly pulls off vMoL carries tends to be trustworthy. There are few of these on PS4.
3) The scammer had a decent reputation amongst the community and was a longtime player. There was plenty of reason to trust him and basically none to doubt him. He was also a part of a lot of high end PvE guilds that ran vMoL daily such as our guild (who ended up carrying her for free).

This player was not someone that I'd think would be a scammer.

pattyLtd · January 2017

Cimadon wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Unless they've changed position on it, scamming is a reportable offense. She paid 4m for a service that wasn't provided, she can file a ticket on the guy who screwed with her, assuming the agreement was made in game, and not via an external system.

It was made in-game through text chat. She barely understood English so the guy exploited that, got the gold, and blocked her+ran away.

That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).

And the girl who got scammed has been carried through vMoL now by me and some guildies situation has been resolved, and I'm almost positive she got over half of the gold back (not totally sure about all the details).

I'm not trying to start another debate here, but i'm curious. If the scenario stays the same, but it is a guy who got scammed, would you have reacted the same? Like giving him over half his gold back, free carry etc. In the back of my head, I keep thinking people would just say "suck it up"/"stupid" and not really help. But I hope I'm wrong. Think about it.

Even just asking this says way more about you then those that helped her out.

Maybe she was naive to believe in the good of people or not to expect some jackass to rip her off in a [snip] videogame!
She maybe should've been on her guard more and make sure the person is trustworthy, i'm sure she won't make that mistake again.

Edited to remove profanity

Tempah · January 2017

pattyLtd wrote: »

Cimadon wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Unless they've changed position on it, scamming is a reportable offense. She paid 4m for a service that wasn't provided, she can file a ticket on the guy who screwed with her, assuming the agreement was made in game, and not via an external system.

It was made in-game through text chat. She barely understood English so the guy exploited that, got the gold, and blocked her+ran away.

That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).

And the girl who got scammed has been carried through vMoL now by me and some guildies situation has been resolved, and I'm almost positive she got over half of the gold back (not totally sure about all the details).

I'm not trying to start another debate here, but i'm curious. If the scenario stays the same, but it is a guy who got scammed, would you have reacted the same? Like giving him over half his gold back, free carry etc. In the back of my head, I keep thinking people would just say "suck it up"/"stupid" and not really help. But I hope I'm wrong. Think about it.

Even just asking this says way more about you then those that helped her out.

Maybe she was naive to believe in the good of people or not to expect some jackass to rip her off in a videogame!
She maybe should've been on her guard more and make sure the person is trustworthy, i'm sure she won't make that mistake again.

Want my tank to put guard on her?

Hahahahaahahahah
Bad joke? I know pls give me friends

WuffyCerulei · January 2017

I would only pay that much if I was going to be grouped with people I'm friends with. That way I know I'm getting my money's worth and know I won't be scammed.

andreasv · January 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

...
That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).
...

Vaoh wrote: »

...
3) The scammer had a decent reputation amongst the community and was a longtime player. There was plenty of reason to trust him and basically none to doubt him. He was also a part of a lot of high end PvE guilds that ran vMoL daily such as our guild (who ended up carrying her for free).

This player was not someone that I'd think would be a scammer.
...

I'm confused! Or am I missing something in between?

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

andreasv wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

...
That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).
...

Vaoh wrote: »

...
3) The scammer had a decent reputation amongst the community and was a longtime player. There was plenty of reason to trust him and basically none to doubt him. He was also a part of a lot of high end PvE guilds that ran vMoL daily such as our guild (who ended up carrying her for free).

This player was not someone that I'd think would be a scammer.
...

I'm confused! Or am I missing something in between?

Yes, you're missing the timeline.
Guy was/looked trustworthy *before* this scam happened.
He was kicked from 3+ guilds *after*/*because of* this scam.

andreasv · January 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

...
That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).
...

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

...
That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).
...

Vaoh wrote: »

...
3) The scammer had a decent reputation amongst the community and was a longtime player. There was plenty of reason to trust him and basically none to doubt him. He was also a part of a lot of high end PvE guilds that ran vMoL daily such as our guild (who ended up carrying her for free).

This player was not someone that I'd think would be a scammer.
...

I'm confused! Or am I missing something in between?

Yes, you're missing the timeline.
Guy was/looked trustworthy *before* this scam happened.
He was kicked from 3+ guilds *after*/*because of* this scam.

Ok, Thanks for clearing that up.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

I don't see what the issue is as far as someone paying gold for a carry. I suspect not many of us actually care what some random on here or in-game thinks about how we obtained a useless in-game skin (in fact, how would anyone know how most people obtained that skin?). It's cute that people seem to think others actually care what they think. I afford people the same level of attention/care as they afford me in-game - none. If people are willing to sink real cash on a useless skin, then you could argue paying 4m in-game gold is a more sensible option when all things are considered.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

I would only pay that much if I was going to be grouped with people I'm friends with. That way I know I'm getting my money's worth and know I won't be scammed.

I wouldn't hand anything over before I received any item. Would show the person I have the gold/items, then hand it over after they held up their end of the bargain. It's not as if there's a safety mechanism in place when obtaining this skin. Alarm bells would go off if payment was required upfront. Not saying everyone would be at it, but everyone who'd scam you would be demanding it upfront.

Vaoh · January 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

...
That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).
...

Vaoh wrote: »

...
3) The scammer had a decent reputation amongst the community and was a longtime player. There was plenty of reason to trust him and basically none to doubt him. He was also a part of a lot of high end PvE guilds that ran vMoL daily such as our guild (who ended up carrying her for free).

This player was not someone that I'd think would be a scammer.
...

I'm confused! Or am I missing something in between?

Yes, you're missing the timeline.
Guy was/looked trustworthy *before* this scam happened.
He was kicked from 3+ guilds *after*/*because of* this scam.

^^yep

ZOS_JohanaB · January 2017

Several comments have been remove from this conversation for rude comments. Ultimately your opinion on the matter does not give way for being rude or insulting. Whether you're sympathetic, empathetic, or apathetic you're still expected to be respectful and follow the community rules.

timidobserver · January 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Question to people in this thread who think the girl was dumb/naive/stupid... how would you suggest she could have secured her transaction ?

@Vaoh : that's what I tought : you're a nice guy ! (no irony included, you just did the right thing and that's nice).

She probably shouldn't have secured the transaction. No transaction requiring that much trust should even be attempted.

The only somewhat acceptable way to go about is is purchasing it through a trade guild. For example, I am in a top-end trade guild that auctions maw clears off from time to time. This is still a little risky, but trade guilds tend to rely on their auctions to survive, so being ripped off by a trade guild auction is unlikely.

Well let's get the situation straight.....

1) She barely spoke English. Completing a transaction like this was difficult to go though with in the first place. She needed to get her message across without complicating stuff.
2) She was talking to someone representing one of the best PS4 NA guilds for PvE. Any guild that regularly pulls off vMoL carries tends to be trustworthy. There are few of these on PS4.
3) The scammer had a decent reputation amongst the community and was a longtime player. There was plenty of reason to trust him and basically none to doubt him. He was also a part of a lot of high end PvE guilds that ran vMoL daily such as our guild (who ended up carrying her for free).

This player was not someone that I'd think would be a scammer.

1. What does English have to do with anything I said. If it can't fit in the trade window a player should automatically be wary of trying to trade large amounts of gold for it.
2. I said going through a trader is still risky. A representative isn't good enough. It should have been the guild leader not a representative.
3. Reputation doesn't matter when dealing with that much gold. I wouldn't even give Rich Lambert 4 mill up front for a Maw skin.

jroc699_burr · January 2017

I hate these posts mind your own business let ZOS do there job they arent glitching or exploiting they re making money if u dont waan get ran through dont do it and move it

Vaoh · January 2017

timidobserver wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Question to people in this thread who think the girl was dumb/naive/stupid... how would you suggest she could have secured her transaction ?

@Vaoh : that's what I tought : you're a nice guy ! (no irony included, you just did the right thing and that's nice).

She probably shouldn't have secured the transaction. No transaction requiring that much trust should even be attempted.

The only somewhat acceptable way to go about is is purchasing it through a trade guild. For example, I am in a top-end trade guild that auctions maw clears off from time to time. This is still a little risky, but trade guilds tend to rely on their auctions to survive, so being ripped off by a trade guild auction is unlikely.

Well let's get the situation straight.....

1) She barely spoke English. Completing a transaction like this was difficult to go though with in the first place. She needed to get her message across without complicating stuff.
2) She was talking to someone representing one of the best PS4 NA guilds for PvE. Any guild that regularly pulls off vMoL carries tends to be trustworthy. There are few of these on PS4.
3) The scammer had a decent reputation amongst the community and was a longtime player. There was plenty of reason to trust him and basically none to doubt him. He was also a part of a lot of high end PvE guilds that ran vMoL daily such as our guild (who ended up carrying her for free).

This player was not someone that I'd think would be a scammer.

1. What does English have to do with anything I said. If it can't fit in the trade window a player should automatically be wary of trying to trade large amounts of gold for it.
2. I said going through a trader is still risky. A representative isn't good enough. It should have been the guild leader not a representative.
3. Reputation doesn't matter when dealing with that much gold. I wouldn't even give Rich Lambert 4 mill up front for a Maw skin.

Did you fully read my comment? It wasn't an insult to you in the slightest, but rather a clear description of her side of the transaction since it was a special case. You sound so triggered over nothing

If you don't agree that's cool. Practically everyone else does and I'm happy at how things turned out in the end as well.

OutLaw_Nynx · January 2017

@Vaoh, what you did was awesome.

What was crappy was the guy that screwed her over like that.

HELLB0UNDH0UND · January 2017

I can't at all fault guilds that want to sell the skin, but I do fault anyone that buys it. The entire purpose of the skins (vmol, SotH dungeons) is to show off your accomplishment. How could you even be happy having it, knowing you didn't earn it? So many people on console cheesed the dungeon skins by scaling it down. I think that's a shame. Same as paying for vma carries. Shows off just how much of a scrub you are, and that's about it.

OutLaw_Nynx · January 2017

HELLB0UNDH0UND wrote: »

I can't at all fault guilds that want to sell the skin, but I do fault anyone that buys it. The entire purpose of the skins (vmol, SotH dungeons) is to show off your accomplishment. How could you even be happy having it, knowing you didn't earn it? So many people on console cheesed the dungeon skins by scaling it down. I think that's a shame. Same as paying for vma carries. Shows off just how much of a scrub you are, and that's about it.

Yup. It's always fun asking if someone got their skins legit.

waterfairy · January 2017

HELLB0UNDH0UND wrote: »

I can't at all fault guilds that want to sell the skin, but I do fault anyone that buys it. The entire purpose of the skins (vmol, SotH dungeons) is to show off your accomplishment. How could you even be happy having it, knowing you didn't earn it? So many people on console cheesed the dungeon skins by scaling it down. I think that's a shame. Same as paying for vma carries. Shows off just how much of a scrub you are, and that's about it.

Or maybe people want the skins to hide their vamp appearance as was mentioned in another thread and they don't have the skills to earn the skin the proper way.

I don't have money or the hist dlc but I would buy the spider skin if I could just because of the looks and nothing more...could care less about titles or showing off.

timidobserver · January 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Question to people in this thread who think the girl was dumb/naive/stupid... how would you suggest she could have secured her transaction ?

@Vaoh : that's what I tought : you're a nice guy ! (no irony included, you just did the right thing and that's nice).

She probably shouldn't have secured the transaction. No transaction requiring that much trust should even be attempted.

The only somewhat acceptable way to go about is is purchasing it through a trade guild. For example, I am in a top-end trade guild that auctions maw clears off from time to time. This is still a little risky, but trade guilds tend to rely on their auctions to survive, so being ripped off by a trade guild auction is unlikely.

Well let's get the situation straight.....

1) She barely spoke English. Completing a transaction like this was difficult to go though with in the first place. She needed to get her message across without complicating stuff.
2) She was talking to someone representing one of the best PS4 NA guilds for PvE. Any guild that regularly pulls off vMoL carries tends to be trustworthy. There are few of these on PS4.
3) The scammer had a decent reputation amongst the community and was a longtime player. There was plenty of reason to trust him and basically none to doubt him. He was also a part of a lot of high end PvE guilds that ran vMoL daily such as our guild (who ended up carrying her for free).

This player was not someone that I'd think would be a scammer.

1. What does English have to do with anything I said. If it can't fit in the trade window a player should automatically be wary of trying to trade large amounts of gold for it.
2. I said going through a trader is still risky. A representative isn't good enough. It should have been the guild leader not a representative.
3. Reputation doesn't matter when dealing with that much gold. I wouldn't even give Rich Lambert 4 mill up front for a Maw skin.

Did you fully read my comment? It wasn't an insult to you in the slightest, but rather a clear description of her side of the transaction since it was a special case. You sound so triggered over nothing

If you don't agree that's cool. Practically everyone else does and I'm happy at how things turned out in the end as well.

My post did nothing more than respond to a previous poster asking how the transaction should have been secured. Any interpretation of anyone taking insult or being triggered is on your end not mine.