People selling the maw skin on PS4 na

OutLaw_Nynx

I keep seeing posts on a fb group I'm in and suddenly people are selling the skin? Policy wise is this even allowed? I witness a girl get scammed out of 4 million gold from a guy that promised her a carry (pull her in at the end). He ran off. Luckily a group of people were nice enough to carry her for free and she got her skin in the long run.

I am against selling and buy the skin for gold but I would like an official response (if possible)

OutLaw_Nynx

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

EnviousStruggle

its not against the rulers to sell ingame services for ingame money by ingame transactions
it has been told many times

OutLaw_Nynx

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

its not against the rulers to sell ingame services for ingame money by ingame transactions
it has been told many times

Source?

EnviousStruggle

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

its not against the rulers to sell ingame services for ingame money by ingame transactions
it has been told many times

Source?

what source?
TOS
read it

Rosveen

I'd rather live with a few scammers than have every even remotely risky player interaction policed by the devs. Giving gold to a stranger is a risk people knowingly take and they should be prepared for the possible consequences, including negative ones.

SaRuZ

Rosveen wrote: »

I'd rather live with a few scammers than have every even remotely risky player interaction policed by the devs. Giving gold to a stranger is a risk people knowingly take and they should be prepared for the possible consequences, including negative ones.

Agreed. Naïveté is prevalent here. Don't trust a stranger, especially with four mil gold

Also paying THAT much gold for a skin or even a carry is inconceivable. Chances are she has alts or friends that could help for free.

EvilCroc

Scammers in ESO? Lol, go play EVE for real scammers.

ArchMikem

I like to believe the mail transaction system is "Cash on Delivery" for a reason, (even if I'm wrong). Up front payments almost always go bad, never pay until what you're buying is delivered.

Vaoh

Ahh yep. That girl got scammed out of 4mil gold by this one dude who I won't name on here.

* I gathered with some guildies and we carried her through vMoL free (pretty sure 2.5m managed to get returned to her)

It was streamed too I think. A fun run full of Dragon Leaps, Storm Atros, Negates and more stuff. Still had Vitality before Rakkhat too XD

Anyway, it's not against any policy. No different than one person in your group having to leave and them getting replaced. Maybe it's not honest, but it's allowed.

Vaoh

Can't totally blame high end guilds for carries.

ZOS removing BoE Gold jewelry drops ruined any good source of income endgame Vet trial runners had.

I don't like it, but when I remember this little detail (and the price of Weapon/Spell pots) I truly can't bring myself to talk bad about guilds that do it.

asneakybanana

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

I keep seeing posts on a fb group I'm in and suddenly people are selling the skin? Policy wise is this even allowed? I witness a girl get scammed out of 4 million gold from a guy that promised her a carry (pull her in at the end). He ran off. Luckily a group of people were nice enough to carry her for free and she got her skin in the long run.

I am against selling and buy the skin for gold but I would like an official response (if possible)

its perfectly legit as long as youre not logging into that persons account to play their character. the people selling the skin are simply selling a service and like it or not you can sell any in game service you want for as much in game items, whether gold or gear or skooma.

Cpt_Teemo

Yeah its a bit shady on the part of scamming someone in game, in very few games people have had currency been given back to them if they provided evidence of the transaction and to prove they have been scammed I know cause people have done it in WoW and Swtor.

I'm not sure if ESO's any different but always take screen shots of the transactions in game just incase they back out or don't follow through and provide evidence that you did not receive that item or transaction.

Sovaso

Another garbage

starkerealm

Unless they've changed position on it, scamming is a reportable offense. She paid 4m for a service that wasn't provided, she can file a ticket on the guy who screwed with her, assuming the agreement was made in game, and not via an external system.

Vaoh

starkerealm wrote: »

Unless they've changed position on it, scamming is a reportable offense. She paid 4m for a service that wasn't provided, she can file a ticket on the guy who screwed with her, assuming the agreement was made in game, and not via an external system.

It was made in-game through text chat. She barely understood English so the guy exploited that, got the gold, and blocked her+ran away.

That guy was kicked from 3+ of his guilds for this (ours too).

And the girl who got scammed has been carried through vMoL now by me and some guildies situation has been resolved, and I'm almost positive she got over half of the gold back (not totally sure about all the details).

RazorCaltrops

Don't care about the people with the skin. Care about the people with leaderboard scores.

Ghost cats became the source of covering the cost of pots in all servers/platforms. Sad but true story.

Rosveen

ArchMikem wrote: »

I like to believe the mail transaction system is "Cash on Delivery" for a reason, (even if I'm wrong). Up front payments almost always go bad, never pay until what you're buying is delivered.

Doesn't apply in this case. She didn't buy an item that could be mailed, but a carry through the trial so she could unlock the necessary achievement.

starkerealm

Rosveen wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I like to believe the mail transaction system is "Cash on Delivery" for a reason, (even if I'm wrong). Up front payments almost always go bad, never pay until what you're buying is delivered.

Doesn't apply in this case. She didn't buy an item that could be mailed, but a carry through the trial so she could unlock the necessary achievement.

The general advice does, however. Remember all the bite scamming going on back in the day?

idk

@OutLaw_Nynx

I expect others have clarified that no one is selling the skin. They are merely selling a clear. Many groups can carry someone through as long as the person can reasonably follow mechanics.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

its not against the rulers to sell ingame services for ingame money by ingame transactions
it has been told many times

This is true, but scamming can be considered a violation of our Terms of Service.

nimander99

Rosveen wrote: »

I'd rather live with a few scammers than have every even remotely risky player interaction policed by the devs. Giving gold to a stranger is a risk people knowingly take and they should be prepared for the possible consequences, including negative ones.

Toss out of helicopter? You sound like my kind of person

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I keep saying we should be doing this... Thanks to 8 months of crashing and disconnects, we are very comfortable with 11 manning the entire place. Just as long as the person in questions doesnt wipe the raid on the twins. Stand in a corner and dont move. Haha. Oh you died? We will res you in a bit.

LadyNalcarya

Imo buying skin is kinda pathetic (Its like buying fake Chanel purse), but I dont think anyone would ever get banned for that. .
Scamming on the other hand...

Shad0wfire99

I'd be ok if everyone that tried to buy the skin got ripped off.

Cpt_Teemo

I joke around to cause I posted the beta monkey for sale and someone asked me how much and I said 1m and he goes would you take 20k, then he realised all pets were bound

Ankael07

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

its not against the rulers to sell ingame services for ingame money by ingame transactions
it has been told many times

This is true, but scamming can be considered a violation of our Terms of Service.

What happens if I want to play as mercenary and land my spells for a fee? Should I be nervous that someone might decide to report me for laughs?

rustic_potato

Wow 4 million? The Maw skin is being sold for less than a million on the PC NA server..

anitajoneb17_ESO

Question to people in this thread who think the girl was dumb/naive/stupid... how would you suggest she could have secured her transaction ?

@Vaoh : that's what I thought : you're a nice guy ! (no irony included, you just did the right thing and that's nice).

Cpt_Teemo

You can also buy the Dromathra armor skin for way less as well and no need of worrying about getting scammed

anitajoneb17_ESO

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

You can also buy the Dromathra armor skin for way less as well and no need of worrying about getting scammed

The skin and the armor are two entirely different things.

The skin looks very nice. I've been thinking of "buying" a run for it... but... there's a "result" ingame attached to it, it implies you've completed vMoL, I think it's a bit annoying to lie about stuff like that. But that's just me. I don't disapprove of people buying it.