Are Blazpler tanks a myth to PvErs?

Oompuh · January 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

OP just doesn't realize yo

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Specifically for Vet Hel Ra, I haven't done this before but I heard the exploit is something like when you have evasion and the welwas get stuck on a vase or something and can't attack you

Never heard about that. But anyway, welwas arent the hardest part of the trial... Boss on the left side is pretty easy and its certainly not the reason why Tava is the meta set for tanks.

Tavas is meta for dks, dks are not meta for tanks though. Tavas is to fill out one of dks many weaknesses compared to nbs that have the best resource management and ult generation.

@WalksonGraves really? Then why are most trial tanks DKs? Why do I never have to do not have an issue with resource management on a DKs. Every NB I have seen tanking axes in vAA has needed one or the other in abundance.

Don't get me wrong, NB tanking is fun and know some good NB tanks. Me thinks meta is used inappropriately in this case.

Were they the "tank" class zos designed, sure. Are they ideal? no.
Nb's just have better survivability, tri stats on melee, better ultimates for group utility(bolstering darkness), cheaper access to major ward/resolve, better ult generation... the list goes on. That and any DK core skills are mostly outshone by vampire (dragon blood is essentially 1/3 the heal of invigorating drain with no ult gen and no stun for higher cost). The people who think dk is the best clearly haven't tried anything else or they tried a nb "sap tank" which is a terrible build not worthy of endgame.

Dks make better dps than tanks.

Please come back when your nightblade tank has completed vmol hard mode. You know why no top groups run nightblade tanks? Because they suck, no matter what you make yourself believe.

Your argument about group ultimates of a nightblade when warhorn is by far the best support ultimate in the game shows you have no clue at all.

Besides that nighbladr survivability is terrible. Have you even tanked some difficult trials? And please don't say ""yes on normal".

I have no problems in vet trials, duh @ warhorn you do have two bars you know. Just because sap tank is the only build you know doesn't mean it's the only one.

leki/reactive/bone pirate

piecing strike, invigorating drain, guard, leeching strikes, bolstering darkness

inner rage, mirage,shades, leeching strikes, warhorn

Can clear anything while taking the minimum possible amount of damage possible with more ult gen than a dk in tavas and has the ability to refill tristat with attacks (far better than regen vs draining).

Most good tanks use sets that help the group (Ebon, Alkosh, Warden) because we dont need sets that help us stay alive. That's not the difficult part. Ult Gen doesnt get you anywhere with a good warhorn rotation. But sure... Woeler doesnt know anything about tanking lul

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Can clear anything while taking the minimum possible amount of damage possible with more ult gen than a dk in tavas and has the ability to refill tristat with attacks (far better than regen vs draining).

Including trial hardmodes?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · January 2017

I have Blazing Tank vet trails it's doable not at all easy but it can be then. Once I got it down it out did my Dragon Knight.

Woeler · January 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

OP just doesn't realize yo

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Specifically for Vet Hel Ra, I haven't done this before but I heard the exploit is something like when you have evasion and the welwas get stuck on a vase or something and can't attack you

Never heard about that. But anyway, welwas arent the hardest part of the trial... Boss on the left side is pretty easy and its certainly not the reason why Tava is the meta set for tanks.

Tavas is meta for dks, dks are not meta for tanks though. Tavas is to fill out one of dks many weaknesses compared to nbs that have the best resource management and ult generation.

@WalksonGraves really? Then why are most trial tanks DKs? Why do I never have to do not have an issue with resource management on a DKs. Every NB I have seen tanking axes in vAA has needed one or the other in abundance.

Don't get me wrong, NB tanking is fun and know some good NB tanks. Me thinks meta is used inappropriately in this case.

Were they the "tank" class zos designed, sure. Are they ideal? no.
Nb's just have better survivability, tri stats on melee, better ultimates for group utility(bolstering darkness), cheaper access to major ward/resolve, better ult generation... the list goes on. That and any DK core skills are mostly outshone by vampire (dragon blood is essentially 1/3 the heal of invigorating drain with no ult gen and no stun for higher cost). The people who think dk is the best clearly haven't tried anything else or they tried a nb "sap tank" which is a terrible build not worthy of endgame.

Dks make better dps than tanks.

Please come back when your nightblade tank has completed vmol hard mode. You know why no top groups run nightblade tanks? Because they suck, no matter what you make yourself believe.

Your argument about group ultimates of a nightblade when warhorn is by far the best support ultimate in the game shows you have no clue at all.

Besides that nighbladr survivability is terrible. Have you even tanked some difficult trials? And please don't say ""yes on normal".

I have no problems in vet trials, duh @ warhorn you do have two bars you know. Just because sap tank is the only build you know doesn't mean it's the only one.

leki/reactive/bone pirate

piecing strike, invigorating drain, guard, leeching strikes, bolstering darkness

inner rage, mirage,shades, leeching strikes, warhorn

Can clear anything while taking the minimum possible amount of damage possible with more ult gen than a dk in tavas and has the ability to refill tristat with attacks (far better than regen vs draining).

So where are you on the leaderboards then with your build? I don't see you on there. Neither do I know of any guild at all that has cleared all content in the game that even thinks of using nightblade tank. where is your group support? Shield? Nope. Strong heals? Nope. You can manage your resources? Wow great! So can anyone else. Where is your set support ebon alkosh blood spawn? Nada, nothing. You're just standing there caring for yourself contributing absolutely zero to your group, and yes, that is a terrible build.

you will not clear all content with that build, and I'm pretty sure you haven't. No decent trail group wants a tank that only cares for himself. Besides, you'll be eating dirt at Rakkhat hm anyways with a nightblade.

And you are using a set the buffs with drinks, eventhough there is no stamina regen while blocking. LOL. What boss actually CC's you? When do you proc reactive? You also argue drain is better than regen, yet you use an entire set reliant on buffs with regen. Just... yae whatever lmao.

The worst thing about your posts is that new people might read it and take it seriously, resulting in even more groupfinderkicks because people are encouraging preposterous and idiotic builds. But then again, why am I even trying. Logic doesn't seem to be a strong point.

UrQuan · January 2017

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

OP just doesn't realize yo

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Specifically for Vet Hel Ra, I haven't done this before but I heard the exploit is something like when you have evasion and the welwas get stuck on a vase or something and can't attack you

Never heard about that. But anyway, welwas arent the hardest part of the trial... Boss on the left side is pretty easy and its certainly not the reason why Tava is the meta set for tanks.

Tavas is meta for dks, dks are not meta for tanks though. Tavas is to fill out one of dks many weaknesses compared to nbs that have the best resource management and ult generation.

@WalksonGraves really? Then why are most trial tanks DKs? Why do I never have to do not have an issue with resource management on a DKs. Every NB I have seen tanking axes in vAA has needed one or the other in abundance.

Don't get me wrong, NB tanking is fun and know some good NB tanks. Me thinks meta is used inappropriately in this case.

Were they the "tank" class zos designed, sure. Are they ideal? no.
Nb's just have better survivability, tri stats on melee, better ultimates for group utility(bolstering darkness), cheaper access to major ward/resolve, better ult generation... the list goes on. That and any DK core skills are mostly outshone by vampire (dragon blood is essentially 1/3 the heal of invigorating drain with no ult gen and no stun for higher cost). The people who think dk is the best clearly haven't tried anything else or they tried a nb "sap tank" which is a terrible build not worthy of endgame.

Dks make better dps than tanks.

Please come back when your nightblade tank has completed vmol hard mode. You know why no top groups run nightblade tanks? Because they suck, no matter what you make yourself believe.

Your argument about group ultimates of a nightblade when warhorn is by far the best support ultimate in the game shows you have no clue at all.

Besides that nighbladr survivability is terrible. Have you even tanked some difficult trials? And please don't say ""yes on normal".

I have no problems in vet trials, duh @ warhorn you do have two bars you know. Just because sap tank is the only build you know doesn't mean it's the only one.

leki/reactive/bone pirate

piecing strike, invigorating drain, guard, leeching strikes, bolstering darkness

inner rage, mirage,shades, leeching strikes, warhorn

Can clear anything while taking the minimum possible amount of damage possible with more ult gen than a dk in tavas and has the ability to refill tristat with attacks (far better than regen vs draining).

So where are you on the leaderboards then with your build? I don't see you on there. Neither do I know of any guild at all that has cleared all content in the game that even thinks of using nightblade tank. where is your group support? Shield? Nope. Strong heals? Nope. You can manage your resources? Wow great! So can anyone else. Where is your set support ebon alkosh blood spawn? Nada, nothing. You're just standing there caring for yourself contributing absolutely zero to your group, and yes, that is a terrible build.

you will not clear all content with that build, and I'm pretty sure you haven't. No decent trail group wants a tank that only cares for himself. Besides, you'll be eating dirt at Rakkhat hm anyways with a nightblade.

And bone pirate, for real? And you also have bolstering darkness? Which is the exact same buff and it does not stack. Lol so you are literaly wearing a set that is doing nothing but giving you a heal debuff. I'm sorry friend but you literally have zero clue at all.

The worst thing about your posts is that new people might read it and take it seriously, resulting in even more groupfinderkicks because people are encouraging preposterous and idiotic builds.

Bone Pirate != Pirate Skeleton. I agree with you that from the description that NB build is not a viable vet trials build, though, because of the lack of group support.

magnusthorek · January 2017

"Play whatever the way you want... but don't bother trying contents we've created for a specific class/race/build"

[Edited to a wider context]

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

"Play whatever the way you want... but don't bother trying contents we've created for a specific class/race"

Play as you want in solo pve (around 99% of the game).

idk · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

"Play whatever the way you want... but don't bother trying contents we've created for a specific class/race"

Nothing in the game is design for a specific class of tank. However, the DK provides more utility as tank than any other class.

@magnusthorek

With the OP the issue was not that he was tanking with a Templar, it seemed more that he wanted a second tank so he could off tank in a trial that only requires one tank.

For the more recent conversation , that is more that @WalksonGraves boasts NBs are meta and DKs make better DPS which is not the case. Considering his build he lacks the experience and I doubt he has tanked a clear of vMoL and likely not HMs other than vSO HM.

Woeler · January 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

"Play whatever the way you want... but don't bother trying contents we've created for a specific class/race"

Nothing in the game is design for a specific class of tank. However, the DK provides more utility as tank than any other class.

@magnusthorek

With the OP the issue was not that he was tanking with a Templar, it seemed more that he wanted a second tank so he could off tank in a trial that only requires one tank.

For the more recent conversation , that is more that @WalksonGraves boasts NBs are meta and DKs make better DPS which is not the case. Considering his build he lacks the experience and I doubt he has tanked a clear of vMoL and likely not HMs other than vSO HM.

I guess his name does fit though. Walking over the graves of your team mates.

Reverb · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

"Play whatever the way you want... but don't bother trying contents we've created for a specific class/race"

Play the way you want does not mean you can complete any content with any build. I wish people would understand that.

You can do any quest, any solo content, and any normal dungeons with any wacky build you want. But if you want to complete the hardest content, you better bring the best builds.

Volrion · January 2017

It just comes down to group utility mate.

I had to explain this to my good friend not long ago. He came in with the same set-up all excited about his "unkillable blaze plar". As fun as it is to watch him pop on the trash pulls, he wasn't able to help much else, and slows us down for four-man content. Which is fine, because it's easy anyway. But I'd much prefer him buffing us up so we can burn away.

As for a vet trial? In end-game group content everyone should be trying to optimize their build not only for themselves but for the best interests of their team.

Blaze tank doesn't do this...

Keep him for pvp.

WalksonGraves · January 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

OP just doesn't realize yo

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Specifically for Vet Hel Ra, I haven't done this before but I heard the exploit is something like when you have evasion and the welwas get stuck on a vase or something and can't attack you

Never heard about that. But anyway, welwas arent the hardest part of the trial... Boss on the left side is pretty easy and its certainly not the reason why Tava is the meta set for tanks.

Tavas is meta for dks, dks are not meta for tanks though. Tavas is to fill out one of dks many weaknesses compared to nbs that have the best resource management and ult generation.

@WalksonGraves really? Then why are most trial tanks DKs? Why do I never have to do not have an issue with resource management on a DKs. Every NB I have seen tanking axes in vAA has needed one or the other in abundance.

Don't get me wrong, NB tanking is fun and know some good NB tanks. Me thinks meta is used inappropriately in this case.

Were they the "tank" class zos designed, sure. Are they ideal? no.
Nb's just have better survivability, tri stats on melee, better ultimates for group utility(bolstering darkness), cheaper access to major ward/resolve, better ult generation... the list goes on. That and any DK core skills are mostly outshone by vampire (dragon blood is essentially 1/3 the heal of invigorating drain with no ult gen and no stun for higher cost). The people who think dk is the best clearly haven't tried anything else or they tried a nb "sap tank" which is a terrible build not worthy of endgame.

Dks make better dps than tanks.

Please come back when your nightblade tank has completed vmol hard mode. You know why no top groups run nightblade tanks? Because they suck, no matter what you make yourself believe.

Your argument about group ultimates of a nightblade when warhorn is by far the best support ultimate in the game shows you have no clue at all.

Besides that nighbladr survivability is terrible. Have you even tanked some difficult trials? And please don't say ""yes on normal".

I have no problems in vet trials, duh @ warhorn you do have two bars you know. Just because sap tank is the only build you know doesn't mean it's the only one.

leki/reactive/bone pirate

piecing strike, invigorating drain, guard, leeching strikes, bolstering darkness

inner rage, mirage,shades, leeching strikes, warhorn

Can clear anything while taking the minimum possible amount of damage possible with more ult gen than a dk in tavas and has the ability to refill tristat with attacks (far better than regen vs draining).

So where are you on the leaderboards then with your build? I don't see you on there. Neither do I know of any guild at all that has cleared all content in the game that even thinks of using nightblade tank. where is your group support? Shield? Nope. Strong heals? Nope. You can manage your resources? Wow great! So can anyone else. Where is your set support ebon alkosh blood spawn? Nada, nothing. You're just standing there caring for yourself contributing absolutely zero to your group, and yes, that is a terrible build.

you will not clear all content with that build, and I'm pretty sure you haven't. No decent trail group wants a tank that only cares for himself. Besides, you'll be eating dirt at Rakkhat hm anyways with a nightblade.

And bone pirate, for real? And you also have bolstering darkness? Which is the exact same buff and it does not stack. Lol so you are literaly wearing a set that is doing nothing but giving you a heal debuff. I'm sorry friend but you literally have zero clue at all.

The worst thing about your posts is that new people might read it and take it seriously, resulting in even more groupfinderkicks because people are encouraging preposterous and idiotic builds.

Bone Pirate != Pirate Skeleton. I agree with you that from the description that NB build is not a viable vet trials build, though, because of the lack of group support.

This is cute, I have to explain how to tank now.
1. "no strong heals" invigorating drain heals me to 100% in 3 sec, if im low thats up to 20k a sec with vitality pots. Compared to that dragon blood is a fart in the wind.

2. Tavas and BS are only good because dks have terrible ult generation. Other than their ult utility those sets do nothing for tanking. I have anywhere from 25-80% more damage mitigation than a dk wearing that ***.

3. Bolstering darkness is for group saves and passives, yes it stacks but if you knew your *** you'd realize I get double the effect from that morph so there is still a major benefit.

4. Ebon is laughably bad, it only benefits bad dps players

5. group support: Not dying is a pretty big one, playing your role etc. Crushing and piercing handles the armor debuff, shades apply maim, after homes ill probably run circle now that it lasts long enough. So what buffs am I missing that a dk dps in the party won't already be using?

UrQuan · January 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

OP just doesn't realize yo

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Specifically for Vet Hel Ra, I haven't done this before but I heard the exploit is something like when you have evasion and the welwas get stuck on a vase or something and can't attack you

Never heard about that. But anyway, welwas arent the hardest part of the trial... Boss on the left side is pretty easy and its certainly not the reason why Tava is the meta set for tanks.

Tavas is meta for dks, dks are not meta for tanks though. Tavas is to fill out one of dks many weaknesses compared to nbs that have the best resource management and ult generation.

@WalksonGraves really? Then why are most trial tanks DKs? Why do I never have to do not have an issue with resource management on a DKs. Every NB I have seen tanking axes in vAA has needed one or the other in abundance.

Don't get me wrong, NB tanking is fun and know some good NB tanks. Me thinks meta is used inappropriately in this case.

Were they the "tank" class zos designed, sure. Are they ideal? no.
Nb's just have better survivability, tri stats on melee, better ultimates for group utility(bolstering darkness), cheaper access to major ward/resolve, better ult generation... the list goes on. That and any DK core skills are mostly outshone by vampire (dragon blood is essentially 1/3 the heal of invigorating drain with no ult gen and no stun for higher cost). The people who think dk is the best clearly haven't tried anything else or they tried a nb "sap tank" which is a terrible build not worthy of endgame.

Dks make better dps than tanks.

Please come back when your nightblade tank has completed vmol hard mode. You know why no top groups run nightblade tanks? Because they suck, no matter what you make yourself believe.

Your argument about group ultimates of a nightblade when warhorn is by far the best support ultimate in the game shows you have no clue at all.

Besides that nighbladr survivability is terrible. Have you even tanked some difficult trials? And please don't say ""yes on normal".

I have no problems in vet trials, duh @ warhorn you do have two bars you know. Just because sap tank is the only build you know doesn't mean it's the only one.

leki/reactive/bone pirate

piecing strike, invigorating drain, guard, leeching strikes, bolstering darkness

inner rage, mirage,shades, leeching strikes, warhorn

Can clear anything while taking the minimum possible amount of damage possible with more ult gen than a dk in tavas and has the ability to refill tristat with attacks (far better than regen vs draining).

So where are you on the leaderboards then with your build? I don't see you on there. Neither do I know of any guild at all that has cleared all content in the game that even thinks of using nightblade tank. where is your group support? Shield? Nope. Strong heals? Nope. You can manage your resources? Wow great! So can anyone else. Where is your set support ebon alkosh blood spawn? Nada, nothing. You're just standing there caring for yourself contributing absolutely zero to your group, and yes, that is a terrible build.

you will not clear all content with that build, and I'm pretty sure you haven't. No decent trail group wants a tank that only cares for himself. Besides, you'll be eating dirt at Rakkhat hm anyways with a nightblade.

And bone pirate, for real? And you also have bolstering darkness? Which is the exact same buff and it does not stack. Lol so you are literaly wearing a set that is doing nothing but giving you a heal debuff. I'm sorry friend but you literally have zero clue at all.

The worst thing about your posts is that new people might read it and take it seriously, resulting in even more groupfinderkicks because people are encouraging preposterous and idiotic builds.

Bone Pirate != Pirate Skeleton. I agree with you that from the description that NB build is not a viable vet trials build, though, because of the lack of group support.

This is cute, I have to explain how to tank now.
1. "no strong heals" invigorating drain heals me to 100% in 3 sec, if im low thats up to 20k a sec with vitality pots. Compared to that dragon blood is a fart in the wind.

2. Tavas and BS are only good because dks have terrible ult generation. Other than their ult utility those sets do nothing for tanking. I have anywhere from 25-80% more damage mitigation than a dk wearing that ***.

3. Bolstering darkness is for group saves and passives, yes it stacks but if you knew your *** you'd realize I get double the effect from that morph so there is still a major benefit.

4. Ebon is laughably bad, it only benefits bad dps players

5. group support: Not dying is a pretty big one, playing your role etc. Crushing and piercing handles the armor debuff, shades apply maim, after homes ill probably run circle now that it lasts long enough. So what buffs am I missing that a dk dps in the party won't already be using?

Maybe next time quote the person you're responding to, not the person responding to the person you're responding to...

SnubbS · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

iAmLife wrote: »

They ain't gooona doo [SNIp] nooootin. (C.Mcgregor, 2016)

[Edited for profanity]

The last stamsorc I dueled thought the same until my blazing shield whacked him for 20K.

What's your max health? Blazing shield has a damage cap on it that's dependant upon max health, my aids build has 79k, and my blazings max at like 13-14k (forget the exact number, but it's constant).

ScooberSteve · January 2017

Yeah theres a reason people dont use blazplars on trials. But what do they know there just experienced players.

idk · January 2017

SnubbS wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

iAmLife wrote: »

They ain't gooona doo [SNIp] nooootin. (C.Mcgregor, 2016)

[Edited for profanity]

The last stamsorc I dueled thought the same until my blazing shield whacked him for 20K.

What's your max health? Blazing shield has a damage cap on it that's dependant upon max health, my aids build has 79k, and my blazings max at like 13-14k (forget the exact number, but it's constant).

The max health of the OP was 70k. It is a PvP build he is using, not a PvE tanking build and the person you quoted is probably using a fairly similar build.

idk · January 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

OP just doesn't realize yo

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Specifically for Vet Hel Ra, I haven't done this before but I heard the exploit is something like when you have evasion and the welwas get stuck on a vase or something and can't attack you

Never heard about that. But anyway, welwas arent the hardest part of the trial... Boss on the left side is pretty easy and its certainly not the reason why Tava is the meta set for tanks.

Tavas is meta for dks, dks are not meta for tanks though. Tavas is to fill out one of dks many weaknesses compared to nbs that have the best resource management and ult generation.

@WalksonGraves really? Then why are most trial tanks DKs? Why do I never have to do not have an issue with resource management on a DKs. Every NB I have seen tanking axes in vAA has needed one or the other in abundance.

Don't get me wrong, NB tanking is fun and know some good NB tanks. Me thinks meta is used inappropriately in this case.

Were they the "tank" class zos designed, sure. Are they ideal? no.
Nb's just have better survivability, tri stats on melee, better ultimates for group utility(bolstering darkness), cheaper access to major ward/resolve, better ult generation... the list goes on. That and any DK core skills are mostly outshone by vampire (dragon blood is essentially 1/3 the heal of invigorating drain with no ult gen and no stun for higher cost). The people who think dk is the best clearly haven't tried anything else or they tried a nb "sap tank" which is a terrible build not worthy of endgame.

Dks make better dps than tanks.

Please come back when your nightblade tank has completed vmol hard mode. You know why no top groups run nightblade tanks? Because they suck, no matter what you make yourself believe.

Your argument about group ultimates of a nightblade when warhorn is by far the best support ultimate in the game shows you have no clue at all.

Besides that nighbladr survivability is terrible. Have you even tanked some difficult trials? And please don't say ""yes on normal".

I have no problems in vet trials, duh @ warhorn you do have two bars you know. Just because sap tank is the only build you know doesn't mean it's the only one.

leki/reactive/bone pirate

piecing strike, invigorating drain, guard, leeching strikes, bolstering darkness

inner rage, mirage,shades, leeching strikes, warhorn

Can clear anything while taking the minimum possible amount of damage possible with more ult gen than a dk in tavas and has the ability to refill tristat with attacks (far better than regen vs draining).

So where are you on the leaderboards then with your build? I don't see you on there. Neither do I know of any guild at all that has cleared all content in the game that even thinks of using nightblade tank. where is your group support? Shield? Nope. Strong heals? Nope. You can manage your resources? Wow great! So can anyone else. Where is your set support ebon alkosh blood spawn? Nada, nothing. You're just standing there caring for yourself contributing absolutely zero to your group, and yes, that is a terrible build.

you will not clear all content with that build, and I'm pretty sure you haven't. No decent trail group wants a tank that only cares for himself. Besides, you'll be eating dirt at Rakkhat hm anyways with a nightblade.

And bone pirate, for real? And you also have bolstering darkness? Which is the exact same buff and it does not stack. Lol so you are literaly wearing a set that is doing nothing but giving you a heal debuff. I'm sorry friend but you literally have zero clue at all.

The worst thing about your posts is that new people might read it and take it seriously, resulting in even more groupfinderkicks because people are encouraging preposterous and idiotic builds.

Bone Pirate != Pirate Skeleton. I agree with you that from the description that NB build is not a viable vet trials build, though, because of the lack of group support.

This is cute, I have to explain how to tank now.
1. "no strong heals" invigorating drain heals me to 100% in 3 sec, if im low thats up to 20k a sec with vitality pots. Compared to that dragon blood is a fart in the wind.

2. Tavas and BS are only good because dks have terrible ult generation. Other than their ult utility those sets do nothing for tanking. I have anywhere from 25-80% more damage mitigation than a dk wearing that ***.

3. Bolstering darkness is for group saves and passives, yes it stacks but if you knew your *** you'd realize I get double the effect from that morph so there is still a major benefit.

4. Ebon is laughably bad, it only benefits bad dps players

5. group support: Not dying is a pretty big one, playing your role etc. Crushing and piercing handles the armor debuff, shades apply maim, after homes ill probably run circle now that it lasts long enough. So what buffs am I missing that a dk dps in the party won't already be using?

@WalksonGraves

The only thing you are explaining is your limited experience tanking vet trials. Your build offers nothing to the group other than a taunt. Your armor selection is nothing I have seen any tank of any class use in vMOL including NBs beause none of them are BiS for any serious tanking. Even if you do not like Ebon, there is Alkosh which is great for increasing

My money is on you have never tanked a vMOL clear.

mvffins · January 2017

Done vet Hel Ra with 2 magplar tanks, neither of us were speced out to be blazplars though and it wasn't a high scoring run.

Dk tank vs Templar tank pretty much depends on the rest of the group. A good group would prefer a dk tank as they can root them all in one place while buffing up the DPS so they can AOE. If you are in a bad group however a templar tank is going to be a saving grace as it has better hail marys when things go south.

illuminousflux · January 2017

I've tanked normal trials with a blazpar that only had 42k health.

TARAFRAKA · January 2017

oh the amount of bad "tanks" in here is laughable.
I can tank a normal trial on a dps spec so that is no accomplishment dear. I tank Rakkhat with 32k health on vet...
Get back to us after you get that VMol clear
In the meantime, we will continue running with our 'non meta' DK tanks for *** and giggles.

rustic_potato · January 2017

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WalksonGraves wrote: »

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Woeler wrote: »

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Woeler wrote: »

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Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

OP just doesn't realize yo

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Specifically for Vet Hel Ra, I haven't done this before but I heard the exploit is something like when you have evasion and the welwas get stuck on a vase or something and can't attack you

Never heard about that. But anyway, welwas arent the hardest part of the trial... Boss on the left side is pretty easy and its certainly not the reason why Tava is the meta set for tanks.

Tavas is meta for dks, dks are not meta for tanks though. Tavas is to fill out one of dks many weaknesses compared to nbs that have the best resource management and ult generation.

@WalksonGraves really? Then why are most trial tanks DKs? Why do I never have to do not have an issue with resource management on a DKs. Every NB I have seen tanking axes in vAA has needed one or the other in abundance.

Don't get me wrong, NB tanking is fun and know some good NB tanks. Me thinks meta is used inappropriately in this case.

Were they the "tank" class zos designed, sure. Are they ideal? no.
Nb's just have better survivability, tri stats on melee, better ultimates for group utility(bolstering darkness), cheaper access to major ward/resolve, better ult generation... the list goes on. That and any DK core skills are mostly outshone by vampire (dragon blood is essentially 1/3 the heal of invigorating drain with no ult gen and no stun for higher cost). The people who think dk is the best clearly haven't tried anything else or they tried a nb "sap tank" which is a terrible build not worthy of endgame.

Dks make better dps than tanks.

Please come back when your nightblade tank has completed vmol hard mode. You know why no top groups run nightblade tanks? Because they suck, no matter what you make yourself believe.

Your argument about group ultimates of a nightblade when warhorn is by far the best support ultimate in the game shows you have no clue at all.

Besides that nighbladr survivability is terrible. Have you even tanked some difficult trials? And please don't say ""yes on normal".

I have no problems in vet trials, duh @ warhorn you do have two bars you know. Just because sap tank is the only build you know doesn't mean it's the only one.

leki/reactive/bone pirate

piecing strike, invigorating drain, guard, leeching strikes, bolstering darkness

inner rage, mirage,shades, leeching strikes, warhorn

Can clear anything while taking the minimum possible amount of damage possible with more ult gen than a dk in tavas and has the ability to refill tristat with attacks (far better than regen vs draining).

So where are you on the leaderboards then with your build? I don't see you on there. Neither do I know of any guild at all that has cleared all content in the game that even thinks of using nightblade tank. where is your group support? Shield? Nope. Strong heals? Nope. You can manage your resources? Wow great! So can anyone else. Where is your set support ebon alkosh blood spawn? Nada, nothing. You're just standing there caring for yourself contributing absolutely zero to your group, and yes, that is a terrible build.

you will not clear all content with that build, and I'm pretty sure you haven't. No decent trail group wants a tank that only cares for himself. Besides, you'll be eating dirt at Rakkhat hm anyways with a nightblade.

And bone pirate, for real? And you also have bolstering darkness? Which is the exact same buff and it does not stack. Lol so you are literaly wearing a set that is doing nothing but giving you a heal debuff. I'm sorry friend but you literally have zero clue at all.

The worst thing about your posts is that new people might read it and take it seriously, resulting in even more groupfinderkicks because people are encouraging preposterous and idiotic builds.

Bone Pirate != Pirate Skeleton. I agree with you that from the description that NB build is not a viable vet trials build, though, because of the lack of group support.

This is cute, I have to explain how to tank now.
1. "no strong heals" invigorating drain heals me to 100% in 3 sec, if im low thats up to 20k a sec with vitality pots. Compared to that dragon blood is a fart in the wind.

2. Tavas and BS are only good because dks have terrible ult generation. Other than their ult utility those sets do nothing for tanking. I have anywhere from 25-80% more damage mitigation than a dk wearing that ***.

3. Bolstering darkness is for group saves and passives, yes it stacks but if you knew your *** you'd realize I get double the effect from that morph so there is still a major benefit.

4. Ebon is laughably bad, it only benefits bad dps players

5. group support: Not dying is a pretty big one, playing your role etc. Crushing and piercing handles the armor debuff, shades apply maim, after homes ill probably run circle now that it lasts long enough. So what buffs am I missing that a dk dps in the party won't already be using?

@WalksonGraves

1) You don't get major mending for the group heal. If you need to use drain to keep yourself alive your group is doing something very wrong. No DK tank worth their salt will use CB as a heal, only for the buff..

2) Ebon and alkosh are almost a necessity in top tier leaderboard raids, as a tank your main role is to support. If you wear sets aimed at your survivability you are useless to a raid

3) As a tank if you are using anything other than warhorn, you are useless to a raid.

4) If you are not wearing Ebon as a main tank you are useless to a raid.

5) Igneous shields + vigor. If you are dying as a tank then you are useless to a raid.

If you can provide all the above as a nightblade tank then you wont have any issues with a good raid team.

usmcjdking · January 2017

Templar tanks are very gear reliant and ultimately why they are not top pick. They have better out-of-the-box tanking skills but, you know, le balanced battle roar.

Ult generation is only as important as your warhorn rotation demands it to be. This has opened up possibilities for NB tanks, but Sorc and Templar tanks still lag behind with DK tank just being superior.

Where do they succeed? Temp and Sorc tanks are simply the better offtanks because they do not need gobs of tanking skills to be effective offtanks. A good templar offtank can slot a few DPS skills on back bar and yank out 20k relatively easily. A sorc offtank offers excessive amounts of mobility and battle rhythm as well as being able to very quickly and efficiently deal with non-dps race mechanics.

With that said, capable offtanks are EXTREMELY rare. And the likelihood of you finding a templar for this role experienced enough to fulfill it is even rarer.

usmcjdking · January 2017

Woeler wrote: »

Besides that nighbladr survivability is terrible..

What is the basis of this statement?

NB tanks offer quite a bit of utility and are no less tanky or resource managementy(?) than DK tanks. Dark Vigor + Mirage provides nearly as much EHP as Shuffle + Iron Skin. DK tanks have a better burst heal in Dragon's Blood (as a primary PVPer, this is the one and only time I will state this) while NB tanks require less defensive skills to operate with significantly more magicka and stamina to work with. They also have a source of minor protection (scrublades please do not try this until you l2p).

That's not to say NB tanks are better than DK tanks because they generally are not in a vast majority of circumstances wherein the DK tank can fulfill group needs with shields/chains. But they offer quite a few other capable buffs/debuffs that DK tanks do not.

-Ranged Major Fracture/Major Breach
-Superior HOTs
-Better group defensive ultimates
-Faster ult-gen for groups struggling with Warhorn Rotations
-Ranged Minor Maim

To say NB tank survivability is bad or doesn't serve a purpose is simply not understanding the mechanics of the class.

Johngo0036 · January 2017

@SJD_Phoenix - The groups that are going for score would not be asking in zone chat for people to join them for Hel Raa,

They are a closed group with all their roles sorted and probably have run the trial a million times,

Narvuntien · January 2017

Nice discusison you have going on here....

What the hell is a Blazpler tank?

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

@Narvuntien wrote: »

Nice discusison you have going on here....

What the hell is a Blazpler tank?

Its an anti-zerg pvp build.
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/eso-blazplar-blasing-shield-templar-pvp-build-one-tamriel/

NetflixNChiill · January 2017

We beat vDSA last night with an argonian blazeplar tank last night

Beware13 · January 2017

I would love to see one of these "tanks" go against HM Rakkhat and get absolutely obliterated. Like this may be you know, a shot in the dark, but maybe (just maybe) these people that have completed the hardest end game PVE content multiple times know what they're talking about.

Kodrac · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion and you might be right but id like the opportunity to find out for myself if my build will work or not in VET trials.

The biggest hurdle for you then will be to convince 11 other people to accommodate you with their time. Sometimes it's just not worth the trouble. With as demanding as those trials are you'll be hard pressed to find just one that won't say 'nah I got better things to do with my time'. And rightly so. It is their time after all.

Reverb · January 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion and you might be right but id like the opportunity to find out for myself if my build will work or not in VET trials.

The biggest hurdle for you then will be to convince 11 other people to accommodate you with their time. Sometimes it's just not worth the trouble. With as demanding as those trials are you'll be hard pressed to find just one that won't say 'nah I got better things to do with my time'. And rightly so. It is their time after all.

Agreed, you really need a known, guild group for this type of thing. Once you've established with them that you can complete hard mode content, you can have the "I'd like to try something a little off the wall with tanking trials this weekend, you guys game?" conversation. It's not reasonable to expect a group of strangers to accommodate your non-standard, unproven builds.