Will there ever be the option to change alliances?

Enodoc · January 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Actually, in a recent ESO live they said they this is in the works and coming soon. No idea how it will be implemented, but I guess it is in the works

No they didn't. They said:

Race Change - Yes
Alliance Change - Maybe
Class Change - No

The biggest problem with Alliance change is how quest progression and levelling works. If you could change alliances willy-nilly, you would break your levelling path. You would have to at least have reached Level 50. But even then it could be exploited - if you grinded to 50, then changed alliance, you'd be able to do all the quests you skipped at Veteran Rank and get Veteran XP for them. TheShadowScout said that completing Cadwell's could be the requirement; but even then, you have all the side quests that have to be considered.

MarrazzMist · January 2016

I would LOVE to have an option to change alliance. My main and favourite character by far is AD, but wonderful guild I joined later is EP. So in guild events I always play second best.

It is easy to say "just roll another char". I know all others level their toons in couple of weeks, but for me it has taken one and a half years to get vr15. So I'm not really tempted.

That said I completely understand faction change is much more complicated than for example race change. But if they find a way to do it, I'll be all smiles

Glaiceana · January 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Wonder if it will carry over guild info and Tabards? iirc a Tabard made under DC for instance if you create a character in AD your tabard will be white / blank?

That is not the case, since all my characters have the same tabard from my guild and it definitely shows correctly

So it works across all alliances.

DisgracefulMind · January 2016

Glaiceana wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Wonder if it will carry over guild info and Tabards? iirc a Tabard made under DC for instance if you create a character in AD your tabard will be white / blank?

That is not the case, since all my characters have the same tabard from my guild and it definitely shows correctly So it works across all alliances.

The tabard is a blank white one, however, when another alliance guild members wears it in Cyrodiil.

Glaiceana · January 2016

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Wonder if it will carry over guild info and Tabards? iirc a Tabard made under DC for instance if you create a character in AD your tabard will be white / blank?

That is not the case, since all my characters have the same tabard from my guild and it definitely shows correctly So it works across all alliances.

The tabard is a blank white one, however, when another alliance guild members wears it in Cyrodiil.

Oh really? I suppose that is in place on purpose to prevent cross faction group ups within PvP for multi faction guilds? (Since you might see a guild mate on a rival alliance due to recognising their tabard)

TheShadowScout · January 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

TheShadowScout said that completing Cadwell's could be the requirement; but even then, you have all the side quests that have to be considered.

The side quests are actually no problem. Since you can always do them from any new alliance as well. Might get some shifted to a lowbie area where you don't get much from it of course, but... you can still do them easy enough. Same as if you missed a quest in your homelands, and only found it when you were already finished with cadwells (like I did on my first character). Go back, do it, done!
The quest progression is the zinger. And that would definitely require making completion of cadwells a prerequesite to avoud nasty messups.
I mean... imagine, playing DC to coldharbour, and then deciding to switch to EP because you like the Skald Kings beard better then Emrics face salad. (juuuust kidding here

) Then you kick Molag in the Bal and start Cadwells silver... where? In the DC lands! Where you have already done everything back in your old alliance, right? And gold would then be AD, and you never get to do EP in the right way... not a good situation.
But if you have to wait until you finished both AD and EP on your DC side cadwells, and THEN defect to EP to worship Jorunns beardedness... (kidding again...) no problem.

And lorewise... well, Meridia set up all of cadwells so all our little vestiges can "experience the other alliances". Would make sense to be able to make an informed choice after all that experience about where you feel your heart (or the beard of your dreams... yes, still kidding) lies.

Enodoc · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

TheShadowScout said that completing Cadwell's could be the requirement; but even then, you have all the side quests that have to be considered.

The side quests are actually no problem.

The problem is exploiting the XP and other rewards, as I said above. Changing alliances at the right time, you'd be able to get Level 50 gear and XP for every side quest in the game, rather than having one alliance where the side quest rewards are 1-49. This means someone who changed alliances would be able to get more XP and better gear options than someone who didn't.

TheShadowScout · January 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

TheShadowScout said that completing Cadwell's could be the requirement; but even then, you have all the side quests that have to be considered.

The side quests are actually no problem.

The problem is exploiting the XP and other rewards, as I said above. Changing alliances at the right time, you'd be able to get Level 50 gear and XP for every side quest in the game, rather than having one alliance where the side quest rewards are 1-49. This means someone who changed alliances would be able to get more XP and better gear options than someone who didn't.

True, but of no -technical- issue.
While it may be an advantage, its in no way an insurmountable advantage. Anyone who does a few cyrodil dailies and treasure chest hunts will have caught up to whatever extra the ones who went with this did get in terms of XP and gear, so I don't really see something like that worth all the effort...
And if an alliance change is not merely provided for free, but cost people a good chunk of crowns... then let them do this if they really feel the need to gloat about getting some advantage.

Not like any of the gear from side quests has meaning after all... all the good stuff is "set items or GTFO", and the only quests which drop set stuff are the final mages and fighters guild missions as I recall...

hrothbern · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

True, but of no -technical- issue.
While it may be an advantage, its in no way an insurmountable advantage.

+1

I think that a cool down period, in actual play time of that character, where you get only 50% of XP, AP and CP for a transfered character will give enough of a treshold to avoid "leveling" abuse.

And not more than one character at a time in "transfer mode".

Digiman · January 2016

They said they are fixing this for PvE so you can play with your friend regardless of alliance. For PvP your stuck and need to reroll.

hydrocynus · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

It could happen... though it would probably be more effort then they might wish to go into.

It would have to become available only after completing cadwells to avoid troubles with quest progression...

And if it was ever done, it ought to be done properly.
Meaning, not just "buy token, poof over to new alliance", but with an grand questline taking you all over your "homelands", of an "loyalty called in question" flavor, whereas you get a choice to either stay and prove your loyalty, find out who framed you and so on, or defect to another alliance, with the rest of the questline being quite different depending on what choice is made.

Who knows? mAybe someday they will add this, it might make a logical next step after Meridia arranging for you to experience the other alliances throuzgh cadwells silver/gold... but as mentioned, doing it right would be quite a bit of effort, and I fear most of their efforts in the future will go to things that bring them extra income, DLC-wise.

But who knows? It might happen...

but then again the PvPers who don't like PvE have to complete cadwell's for it. you know the cries about that will come

Shame poor things. Then they will know how us PvE'ers feel about grinding to Magicka Detonation...

Enodoc · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

TheShadowScout said that completing Cadwell's could be the requirement; but even then, you have all the side quests that have to be considered.

The side quests are actually no problem.

The problem is exploiting the XP and other rewards, as I said above. Changing alliances at the right time, you'd be able to get Level 50 gear and XP for every side quest in the game, rather than having one alliance where the side quest rewards are 1-49. This means someone who changed alliances would be able to get more XP and better gear options than someone who didn't.

True, but of no -technical- issue.
While it may be an advantage, its in no way an insurmountable advantage.

In that case you could probably get around the Cadwell's issues too. (Assume that the "you must complete Silver before Gold" restriction is gone.) They would just need to introduce a "Cadwell's Bronze" to track it, which would be given when you meet him in the Castle of the Worm at Level 20 (or some time afterwards, if you ignore him). If you changed alliances, Cadwell's Precious Metals would switch around. Since you can level by skipping the entire alliance storyline, if you decide to, it doesn't really matter where you come into the story (since you could conceivably come into it at any point anyway).

In your example, you would have completed Cadwell's Bronze in DC, then changed alliances, meaning DC becomes Silver and Bronze changes to EP. Since Bronze is now considered "incomplete" again, Cadwell gives you that one first.

Oh, and because something in the Crown Store is supposed to have an equivalent in-game... if Crown Store alliance change worked like this, then in-game alliance change would be the final reward for completing all of Cadwell's Bronze, Silver and Gold.

Alorier · January 2016

I so hope this doesn't go ahead as there would be no point of factions in campaign people would be just swaping to who ever is winning , I think each campaign should be locked the faction you first enter it for the length of the campaign as there is already to many turn coats as it is

phairdon · January 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Actually, in a recent ESO live they said they this is in the works and coming soon. No idea how it will be implemented, but I guess it is in the works

No they didn't. They said:

Race Change - Yes
Alliance Change - Maybe
Class Change - No

The biggest problem with Alliance change is how quest progression and levelling works. If you could change alliances willy-nilly, you would break your levelling path. You would have to at least have reached Level 50. But even then it could be exploited - if you grinded to 50, then changed alliance, you'd be able to do all the quests you skipped at Veteran Rank and get Veteran XP for them. TheShadowScout said that completing Cadwell's could be the requirement; but even then, you have all the side quests that have to be considered.

To my thinking, alliance change could not be implemented until veteran levels are removed. Surely, all former vet zones would also have to become cross faction, which also means the personal story side of the game will need to be revamped.
They could do the same as guild wars 2, I guess. When megaservers were introduced, all players on NA or EU were able to venture together through all pve zones. You still had to select a home world server, as the home world server tied into world vs world. Prior to the megaservers coming in, if you were in the wrong time zone, or less popular world (24 on NA & EU), forget about being able to do world bosses or group content of any type.
As far as the alliance war goes in this game, allowing players to change alliance could be a disaster. Mind you, if lots of players flock to 2 out of the 3 alliances, they could end up locked out of the alliance war (pvp) anyway, as there must be a population cap.

As another poster stated. Swap campaigns during a round, because you're side is losing or less popular, no rewards. This was introduced into gw2. Swap home world, for world vs world during a tournament (which involved rewards), players were not eligible. Swapping to very popular servers top 3) was also very expensive (equivalent of paying, say 5000 crowns). Whereas, going to a less popular server was often free or cheaper, depending on which one you picked. The cost varied from most popular to least popular.

Victoria_Marquis · January 2017

With One Tamrial it's nice to be able to go to other factions and group with friends and do the quests from other factions.
We have several alts on all three factions, and after playing to end game you see how selfish the leaders are. Makes you feel like you should join Molag Bal and end the war in Cyrodiil.

At least Queen Ayrenn and the Aldmeri Dominion understood the threat that the Daedra pose to the world, see at least wanted to talk sensibly a truce with the other factions.
Sadly the arrogant, egotistical, self-centered pompous asses just insulted her and called her an adolescent child.

After doing quests on all three sides even though the High Elves are snooty and stuck up, the Aldmeri Dominion has the Wisdom and grasps the reality of how much of a threat Molag Bolt is to Tamrial.

It would be nice that once you get to the end of your main story line and get to cold Harbor to be able to change to any faction after learning the truth, or better yet, to be able to have no faction and for those who like evil characters can join with Molag Bol.

Or Fπ€k it just put a faction reset token in the Crown Store and help support ESO.

Why need a Faction Reset Token and not just start an alt?
Biggest reason is a lot of the game Achievements are not account wide, so if you have spent years trying to unlock all the achievement on one character it would be nice to change things up now and then and change factions, eather out of boredom, to join friends, or to help a guild that you are in and join the same factions with friends in Cyrodiil.

Whatever the reason, there needs to be a faction tokens change in the Crown Store, and/or a quest.....

Thanks for the time and consideration...

Zyrudin · January 2017

There should be an option to switch faction, through a questline, after completing Cadwell Gold.

Victoria_Marquis · January 2017

For those of us that are OCD Achievement freeks that likes to use one main character it would be nice to change alliances. After a while you get board of your alliance and want to experience the quest lines of the other factions.

Yes we have several alts on all three factions, but only use one main for the achievements...

Perhaps the developers can put in an alliances change tokens you can buy in the Crown store maybe once every 1-6 months or so.....

WhitePawPrints · January 2017

Thread rises from the dead!

Glanced through it and seems the the problems that were once there, are no longer problems.

MasterSpatula · January 2017

First, I can't think of any faction-specific achievements you can't get during Cadwell's. Or earlier, now that One Tamriel is here.

Second: The smell of rotting flesh from this year-dead thread is pretty ripe.

Enodoc · January 2017

Victoria_Marquis wrote: »

For those of us that are OCD Achievement *** that likes to use one main character it would be nice to change alliances. After a while you get board of your alliance and want to experience the quest lines of the other factions.

Yes we have several alts on all three factions, but only use one main for the achievements...

Perhaps the developers can put in an alliances change tokens you can buy in the Crown store maybe once every 1-6 months or so.....

You don't need an alliance change for that. Just go to the other alliance zones and do them.

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2017

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Pretty sure Zos said no on this one because people will just migrate and overwhelm 1 alliance.

THIS ^ ^

Before such thing as "alliance change token" ZOS should make campaigns account wide (not only character wide) and add some coll-down so you would not be able to log-off and log-in on another character who is in different alliance in the same campaign (basically you would not be able to have 2 characters assigned to the same campaign on different alliances).

ZOS_CoriJ · January 2017

As was previously mentioned a lot of the discussion on this thread is no longer relevant with One Tamriel. If you would like to continue discussion on this subject, we ask that you star a new thread.