nordsavage wrote: »

See what I mean about Sigtric. No real argument just hounding posters. By the way Sig you can do the work as many times as you want but all that is needed is single accolade nobody would stop you from replaying content. Repetition diminishes the value. Characters are just different flavored copies of your main. It all boils down to you are the @ account not the alts 1-12. Characters do not earn acheivements you the account holder do. You talk about doing the work but I wager I have done more on my main alone (21,990) than you have on all your alts combined. So unless you have MATCHING acheivements ALL of your alts and not just a bunch of half empty lists then you did not do the work either (Don't say you did without proving it the next time you post). I bet you do not have Flawless Conquerer (I have 6 unique and climbing), vet Maw, Master Angler, IC Scamp Killers, Black Market Mogul (I am sure I am the first to get that one) or other long term or hardcore achievements that some of us have. So yeah to me a guy like you is a casual.

DiteHart wrote: »

Do people really go around asking "Show me your Boethiah's Scythe title!" before you let someone in your group? And if it were account-wide, couldn't you just ask them to switch to the character that earned it? Would you be content if they made the titles available but in another color until they've "earned" it so that the people that care know if the character did it, but the people that get bored and want a "Meredith the Mageslayer" templar can be happy?
Would it really make you mad to even just see "Master Wizard" on the Titles dropdown of your level 3? To the point that you're against someone else being allowed to use it?

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inf.toniceb17_ESO wrote: »

gard wrote: »

Achievements should not be account wide.

The people who justify account wide achievements by saying that the player gained the achievements and not the character clearly don't understand the concept of a roleplaying game.

And what this concept is..?

DiteHart wrote: »

ClandestineFox wrote: »

The reason people arguing against you in this thread isn't because we want you to suffer or do more or even that we care about you in any way shape or form.

Which is what kind've annoys me. You're like "we're happy, so don't change anything", instead of "I'll support your request because it at most will only slightly inconvenience me, but other people seem to really want it."
As far as this aspect goes, it's like someone seeing a character creator with limited hairstyles and go, "I really want a green hair color. I have ideas I want to implement, and it would be really cool."
And you're like, "Nah. I don't like green hair, so instead of helping and supporting others, and just not using green hair--or even just staying out of the conversation-- I'm going to actively argue against green hair."
Coding-wise, I know it's not like that. This is referring to the unnecessarily rude mindset that people are coming in here with.

ClandestineFox wrote: »

It's because you're asking for something that would conceptually change so many aspects of achievements as though it's some easy fix; like the new intern Paul McGreggor who just started working 2 days ago just has to open a config.txt file somewhere and change "Achievementunlock=character" to "Achievementunlock=account." But that isn't how it is, that would require resources and time for a change that quite frankly adds little to absolutely no impact on the game at all, EXCEPT that you guys would no longer be crying about it.

I doubt most people actually think that (or at least I never did). And, if they did it right, the achievements should be an extension of the data, not core data itself. The motif checklists should be reading character data to know whether or not to light up, NOT having Shalidor's Library and Crafting Stations read Achievement data.
And honestly, the core of everything we want really just relies on how the achievement looks on the list + the rewards. It wouldn't be that hard to switch it so titles are checked in the same way as dyes, and for the achievement in general to light up, even if the separate motifs and skyshard descriptions stay grayed out.
And note that I'm considering difficulty relative to the stuff that they did creating the game and adding new content. I know enough PHP to understand the logical connections of referencing different data, but I'm sure they're using more complex languages. Doing all that to MySQL databases and PHP code wouldn't be too hard. Just tedious, long coding. For them to create the achievement databases, motif systems, and item generation and saves, I expect there to be A LOT more data for them to go through, but I also expect them to be good at it and know what they're doing.
And, considering they switched Horse Training from horses to characters, and Champion Points from characters to accounts, it may be somewhat different, but not an altogether new task for them.

That's why some of us are trying to think of some alternatives to at least compromise (like showing them on the character selection pages). They already grab information of each character on the page, and an achievement list already exists. No, it's not going to make it extremely simple, but it's also not going to be difficult for them to do, and it will increase some of their players' enjoyment while having "little to absolutely no impact on the game" itself. So, you could try following through with the beliefs you state (that it has little-to-no impact on you) and so stop arguing with us, and either let ZOS do it or ignore it?

ClandestineFox wrote: »

What is it that you're actually trying to achieve by championing this cause of global achievements? Are you sad because you were out adventuring, and some new player walked by and saw someone next to you had a Master Angler title, and said, "YER NOT A MASTA ANGRLAr LIK DAT GUY?" and you couldn't flash your own Master Angler title and achievement right there on the spot?

Um...from what I've read the biggest "prestige nazis" are the ones arguing to keep titles separate (and actually care what class you got it on). What we're (or at least I'm) trying accomplish?
#1) A relief for completionists that want to have alts. (Explanation in spoilers for length.)

I linked Game Theory, in case you didn't already know that our need to complete is in our psychology.
But, to add more detail in the types of completionists: For some us, it's very visual. Even if we don't like the content, if we have an actual gauge (Achievements) of what we've completed we feel like we need to complete it. So having our various achievements scattered between characters can make us anxious. Some completionists can ignore some stuff, but not others. Like personally, if I already know content is extremely difficult (like "Complete on Insanity mode"), I can turn that part off and ignore it (like the Trials Achievements section), but when I see something simple, but grind-y, I'll feel anxious because although I might not want to do it, I know that I can do it and not completing it is stressful. That definitely hinders my enjoyment of the game, because a piece of me makes me feel like I should complete disliked content again, even though I don't want to.
Logically I tell myself that it needs to be completed. If I tell myself that I've completed it on another character, I've only told myself that it's absolutely possible for me to do it. It is very difficult for me to convince myself not to do it simply because I don't want to. And with repeating content, it's not even the separate "DINGs" since I already know they're coming. It's the goal of reaching that point where you don't have anything you have to do (like a fully-crossed To Do list).

- It's why I ended up getting all the New Life achievements except "New Life Provisioner" on all of my characters (and even then I think every character has every recipe except the Hissimir Fish-Eye Rye).
- It's why even when I get creative and want to make an interesting new character, I instantly lose interest in actually playing (I get disinterested and overwhelmed by all the content I need to repeat for achievements). I only get myself to actually play them during holidays when there's an XP boost.
- It's why when I get a ton of CP160 gear, instead of deconning it with someone that would get the most out of it, I lose most of the recoverable materials because I send them to a lowbie alt for the inspiration. (Because there's always that Master Crafter achievement.)
- It's why I stick to my main, and if/whenever I get any achievements on another character before my main, I'm more annoyed than excited. If I stick to my main, I can stick to new content and repeat pretty much only what I like without any added "I should be doing something else!" stress.
- It's why I feel like I need two of every motif in the game (one for my crafter, and one for my main's achievements).
- It's why I still sometimes regret making a sorcerer (now my crafter) instead of a templar (my current main) when I first started because now I have a bunch of extra achievements and progress with a character that I don't need/want them on.

#2) Because it shouldn't be a barrier for some light fun and creativity.
For some of us, earning a title or costume, or something can inspire us to make new characters. If I'm already willing to give up a character slot for it, and I've already completed the task on another character. I shouldn't have to do a ton of extra work if I one day decide that I do want to use a special title. If I get some great idea for a character with certain gear, a certain title and a certain look, I want to be able to do that pretty easily. Titles are the only thing that won't carry over (I can use my crafter to make gear for them), and the completionist in me will tell me that (even if I don't like the content or it was SUPER time consuming) 90% isn't good enough and that, if I completed it before, I have no reason not to complete it again.

ClandestineFox wrote: »

The only argument any of you fools have put TOWARD it is like . . . "but . . . but mom I did it once before!" as if that in itself means anything other than you've done it before. It makes you sound entitled. THAT is why people are against you. You have to put forth actual reasoning when you say why you want something, instead of just "Well we didn't have this before so it's about time we have it now! Woo! Everyone bandwagon agree on me!" That's the sort of attitude that gets people to revolt against you even if you had good intent.

1) Well, be sure to read the spoiler tags, since that will explain at least my views to you.
2) "I did it before" is going to be the core, because why else would someone want to change the scope of an achievement?
That's like saying "I want money." And someone else going "Your only argument for wanting money is that you want to spend money at some point. Yeah a couple of you said Save for Retirement, or Pay Your Bills, but that's all just spending money."
So our supporting arguments are answering "WHY don't we want to repeat achievements that we've already done once?" And the arguments against it are to answer "Why should we have to repeat achievements completed on other characters?"
And, some of us have given arguments on that. And most of the arguments against it are things that you could personally do even if it became account-wide. The people arguing against it simply don't want OTHERS to have a freedom.

TL;DR: For some of us (at least me), the exact point is that it barely affects you or the game balance, but it can greatly affect enjoyment and playstyle for those of us who care (mainly completionists, but others as well). Instead of focusing on arguing with the people fussing about extra stuff like skyshards being account-wide, try paying more attention to those of us willing to compromise and that DO give reasons why we want this change and either support us or let the thread die.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Stick with one character. If you have a mansion with 11 guest homes one cannot clean one home and expect the rest to mysteriously become clean from the same effort.

petraeus1 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Stick with one character. If you have a mansion with 11 guest homes one cannot clean one home and expect the rest to mysteriously become clean from the same effort.

The thing is, the way it's set up now forces people with time constraints to choose: either focus on one character to achieve your goals (whether that be getting motifs, trait research, titles and dyes from achievements), or play alts (I have 8 character slots, 3 alliances and 4 classes to choose from, why wouldn't I want to?).

People with time constraints won't be able to achieve everything, I'm fine with that, but it would at least be nice to make progress towards a goal playing the character of our choice.

As far as your comparison goes. This is a game. Game design dictates what is and is not possible. When I put stuff in my in-game bank account, 'it mysteriously appears in 5 other bank accounts as well'.

@petraeus1

No one is forcing you to do anything. It's all your choice.

Wise people I know choose to get the achievements on their main. Others choose to roll fewer characters.

This is not something Zos should change for the small group of players that want it because they cannot focus.

What. Of course it's my choice, that's what I said. But it's in my opinion bad design that people have to choose, because it makes it so they cannot enjoy all parts of the game. It's not about not being able to focus, it's about being able to enjoy all aspects of the game and not being gimped in the process.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Stick with one character. If you have a mansion with 11 guest homes one cannot clean one home and expect the rest to mysteriously become clean from the same effort.

The thing is, the way it's set up now forces people with time constraints to choose: either focus on one character to achieve your goals (whether that be getting motifs, trait research, titles and dyes from achievements), or play alts (I have 8 character slots, 3 alliances and 4 classes to choose from, why wouldn't I want to?).

People with time constraints won't be able to achieve everything, I'm fine with that, but it would at least be nice to make progress towards a goal playing the character of our choice.

As far as your comparison goes. This is a game. Game design dictates what is and is not possible. When I put stuff in my in-game bank account, 'it mysteriously appears in 5 other bank accounts as well'.

@petraeus1

No one is forcing you to do anything. It's all your choice.

Wise people I know choose to get the achievements on their main. Others choose to roll fewer characters.

This is not something Zos should change for the small group of players that want it because they cannot focus.

What. Of course it's my choice, that's what I said. But it's in my opinion bad design that people have to choose, because it makes it so they cannot enjoy all parts of the game. It's not about not being able to focus, it's about being able to enjoy all aspects of the game and not being gimped in the process.

About it being a small amount of players - given that this topic keeps being brought up for several years now suggests it is not about a small group of players. The 'small group of players' argument can be used for every suggestion in the forum the way you use it.

@petraeus1

Re-read the post of yours I quoted. You said people were being forced to choose. I said none were forcing you. It's your choice.

It's. It a bad design. It's merely one that you do not like.

brandonv516 wrote: »

Let us just take the next step and allow achievements (including titles earned) to be shared account-wide.