It's Time for Achievements to be Account-Wide

nordsavage · December 2016

Make them account wide. I have been after this for a long time. The people who will argue against this are usually casuals anyway that do not take the time to get the ones that take weeks and months to get. At this point it is nearly impossible to get them all with how often content is released much less on up to 11 alts and now there are miss-able acheivements. What happens when you make an alt after the fact. Just ignore Sigtric these achievement threads always have one of those guys who bark against without an actual argument.

Sigtric · December 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Make them account wide. I have been after this for a long time. The people who will argue against this are usually casuals anyway that do not take the time to get the ones that take weeks and months to get. At this point it is nearly impossible to get them all with how often content is released much less on up to 11 alts and now there are miss-able acheivements. What happens when you make an alt after the fact. Just ignore Sigtric these achievement threads always have one of those guys who bark against without an actual argument.

So, someone being lazy, not wanting to do whats required to earn things on new characters is calling others casuals? That's golden. A+

The actual argument is if you want something, do the required content to get it.

"My character didn't do it, I did" Is a cop out. I leveled one toon from 1 to 50. Should all the others not have to?
I did all the quests in Ebonheart Pact on one toon, should all the others automatically complete them too?
That's dumb.

MaKTaiL · December 2016

Some achievements should be account wide, not all of them. Achievements tied to quests and skill points should be character based. Achievements tied to events, collecting stuff, or completing a certain number of requirements (harvest X amount of resource nodes for example) should be account wide.

nordsavage · December 2016

See what I mean about Sigtric. No real argument just hounding posters. By the way Sig you can do the work as many times as you want but all that is needed is single accolade nobody would stop you from replaying content. Repetition diminishes the value. Characters are just different flavored copies of your main. It all boils down to you are the @ account not the alts 1-12. Characters do not earn acheivements you the account holder do. You talk about doing the work but I wager I have done more on my main alone (21,990) than you have on all your alts combined. So unless you have MATCHING acheivements ALL of your alts and not just a bunch of half empty lists then you did not do the work either (Don't say you did without proving it the next time you post). I bet you do not have Flawless Conquerer (I have 6 unique and climbing), vet Maw, Master Angler, IC Scamp Killers, Black Market Mogul (I am sure I am the first to get that one) or other long term or hardcore achievements that some of us have. So yeah to me a guy like you is a casual.

Elsonso · December 2016

Sigtric wrote: »

"My character didn't do it, I did" Is a cop out. I leveled one toon from 1 to 50. Should all the others not have to?

Fair warning... This has been suggested.

Metal10957 · December 2016

I wish mounts upgrades were account wide

EvilCroc · December 2016

Achievement - yes, titles - no.
Titles mechanics should be separated from achievements.

newtinmpls · December 2016

Maybe OP forgot that it's MMORPG.

We roll up characters

We play characters.

"Account" does nothing.

The characters do things.

Ourorboros · December 2016

Aquanova wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Along with achievements I'd also like to add recipes and traits research.

What would be the point of alternate characters?

Some shared achievements, maybe. But if it's all or nothing, I'd rather things stay the same.

The point is if I want to reroll a new toon on a different faction and have it become my crafter, it wont take me another year and a half to do so. That's more important than achievements to me.

How could anyone miss that point?!?!?

That point was lost on me or many others. We knew this going in. It's what we signed up for. And it doesn't take 18 months to be an effective crafter unless nothing was learned training the first character. With a focused approach, you can train a crafter on the gear you will actually craft in much less time, and fill in the rest later.

Soella · December 2016

There are RNG+grind achievements - I would really like have them account wide. It is boring to repeat them.

Skill based achievements better be per toon.

DaveMoeDee · December 2016

Aquanova wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Along with achievements I'd also like to add recipes and traits research.

What would be the point of alternate characters?

Some shared achievements, maybe. But if it's all or nothing, I'd rather things stay the same.

The point is if I want to reroll a new toon on a different faction and have it become my crafter, it wont take me another year and a half to do so. That's more important than achievements to me.

How could anyone miss that point?!?!?

But characters aren't just more bags of additional skill points to be used to off-load crafting.

Ourorboros · December 2016

Soella wrote: »

There are RNG+grind achievements - I would really like have them account wide. It is boring to repeat them.

Skill based achievements better be per toon.

I could get behind this. I have all the monster collectibles on my main, and I will NEVER, EVER try to do that on another alt.

ValkynSketha · December 2016

So you are saying, that the player that got Flawless vMA on mag or stam sorc but can't get past stage 1 on stam NB or mag DK can have the Flawless title too?, Nop.

DaveMoeDee · December 2016

Any claim that there is only one way that makes sense is nonsensical. Either approach is fine. If your preferred approach wasn't taken, learn to live with it. You can even ask ZOS to change it. But don't pretend there is some logical proof that your approach is the only reasonable one.

unchainedzulu · December 2016

Aquanova wrote: »

Along with achievements I'd also like to add recipes and traits research.

and horse skills please...

NewBlacksmurf · December 2016

Largely I agree. And for certain things ...definately

Valethar · December 2016

MaKTaiL wrote: »

Some achievements should be account wide, not all of them. Achievements tied to quests and skill points should be character based. Achievements tied to events, collecting stuff, or completing a certain number of requirements (harvest X amount of resource nodes for example) should be account wide.

This would be a good compromise. Certain things should be account wide, mostly the super grindy things like harvesting or killing X number of things.

Others, like you mentioned (quests, shards, etc..) should be individual achievements based on a given character's progress.

LordGavus · December 2016

I don't think it should be account wide. My new level 10 alt should not be walking around as stormproof.
I like that the titles show what content that character has completed.

Dragonnord · December 2016

I don't agree. Why a character that didn't do something must be rewarded as if he/she did it?

Tavore1138 · December 2016

Cerbolt wrote: »

Agreed. I'd rather not have to do the same repetitive thing on each of my characters, it gets old fast.

You don't have to do it now unless you feel a strange need to have your kevel 1 character in Coldharbour sporting Grand Overlord or Master Angler.

the achieves that vary between characters show what I have done with them and how each differs, my templar has stuff my NB main probably never will and vica versa... differences like these are what make playing more than one character worthwhile.

ZOS already give us everything material to share between toons so why ruin one of the few remaining things that makes progressing multiple toons fun?

nordsavage · December 2016

CarbonX wrote: »

I don't agree. Why a character that didn't do something must be rewarded as if he/she did it?

The character did not earn it you did. If achievements were account wide by default not one person would be making threads on the forums for character based achievements of this I am certain because you would have no reason to question it because it is non-conflicting and logical.

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Cerbolt wrote: »

Agreed. I'd rather not have to do the same repetitive thing on each of my characters, it gets old fast.

You don't have to do it now unless you feel a strange need to have your kevel 1 character in Coldharbour sporting Grand Overlord or Master Angler.

I bet you use the dyes you unlocked and items you earned from other alts. That argument is the basest type of hypocrisy in this type of argument.

Greifenherz · December 2016

This is supposed to be a role-playing game. The name-giving 'intended way' to play the game is to slip into the role of your character and experience the game world through the eyes of your character. You as a real life person behind a monitor/TV aren't accomplishing anything in the game in that sense, but the character you are playing is. Character B doesn't deserve character A's achievement of killing 100 enemies because character B did not achieve this. That's why achievements shouldn't be account-wide at all.
Another reason is that you're losing out on a metric dungton of experience if you make it account-wide.

Example addition:
Imagine playing a game of good old Dungeons & Dragons, or Pathfinder, with your friends. After three or four sessions you complete the campaign your gamemaster set up, and when everything is getting wrapped up the king you saved the kingdom of rewards all of you the title "Knight of <name of kingdom>". The next weekend you start a new campaign, and decide to make all new characters. Why would these new characters be titled "Knight of <name of kingdom>", even though they didn't accomplish anything or never even set foot in that kingdom? Because 'not your character did it, you did it'? Really?

LordGavus · December 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

I bet you use the dyes you unlocked and items you earned from other alts. That argument is the basest type of hypocrisy in this type of argument.

I get what you're saying but to me, getting help and gear from a character that has completed certain content is different to claiming a character has completed content they haven't.

Dubhliam · December 2016

No, because you devalue the experience of "replay", or in this case - making a fresh start with a new character.

You already have all the benefits of achievements account wide - you can use all dyes, costumes and skins unlocked with any of your characters.
Except titles, but those are more personalized. I mean, why would my lvl 8 fresh toon be able to have the Former Emperor title? He can't even enter PvP yet.

I simply don't understand what would you gain by making them all account wide?

Tavore1138 · December 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I don't agree. Why a character that didn't do something must be rewarded as if he/she did it?

The character did not earn it you did. If achievements were account wide by default not one person would be making threads on the forums for character based achievements of this I am certain because you would have no reason to question it because it is non-conflicting and logical.

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Cerbolt wrote: »

Agreed. I'd rather not have to do the same repetitive thing on each of my characters, it gets old fast.

You don't have to do it now unless you feel a strange need to have your kevel 1 character in Coldharbour sporting Grand Overlord or Master Angler.

I bet you use the dyes you unlocked and items you earned from other alts. That argument is the basest type of hypocrisy in this type of argument.

Generally I try not to but regardless your attempt to conflate the two things is silly. Even then I would not make my level 10 'Stormproof' and I find it hard to see why you would want to? Also why do you need to see the acheives on each toon... if you claim it is all 'you' then you know you have done it so why care if another toon can use the title anyway? It seems to me that as you want a change then you should come up with a decent case for it instead of simply shouting at people who disagree, this is not politics where facts don't matter...

Having an account wide summary of completed achieves accesible would be great but what you seem to want is to water down the 'rpg' part of this game.

GabiAlex · December 2016

MaKTaiL wrote: »

Some achievements should be account wide, not all of them. Achievements tied to quests and skill points should be character based. Achievements tied to events, collecting stuff, or completing a certain number of requirements (harvest X amount of resource nodes for example) should be account wide.

I was going to comment something similar, like the achievements in SWTOR. I'm sticking most of the time with my main character because you can't get certain achievements by playing multiple characters, especially when I have to kill X amount of a mob that's spawn only on certain dungeons that I'm not going to grind few days in a row to get it faster for a character.

nordsavage · December 2016

LordGavus wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

I bet you use the dyes you unlocked and items you earned from other alts. That argument is the basest type of hypocrisy in this type of argument.

I get what you're saying but to me, getting help and gear from a character that has completed certain content is different to claiming a character has completed content they haven't.

Ok let us go one step further don't use CP 160 gear until your alt has earned 160 CP worth of exp for each alt. Then do not allocate any further CP until you earn that much in exp. Do not use dyes that come from PvP or anything else that unlocks them until that alt completes the parameters. And no getting that vet trial gear on one alt and using it on an that you do not run in there is no difference. IT DID NOT EARN IT. Players like you always have principles up until the point that it no longer suits their argument..

Talek · December 2016

Yes allow me to roleplay with new character as a fallen Emperor that soul was stolen by Molag Bal (with a title former emperor and costume immediately after spawning in Wailing Prison.

nordsavage · December 2016

You do not need achievments

Dubhliam wrote: »

No, because you devalue the experience of "replay", or in this case - making a fresh start with a new character.

You already have all the benefits of achievements account wide - you can use all dyes, costumes and skins unlocked with any of your characters.
Except titles, but those are more personalized. I mean, why would my lvl 8 fresh toon be able to have the Former Emperor title? He can't even enter PvP yet.

I simply don't understand what would you gain by making them all account wide?

You do not need achievements to replay content. By making them account wide you stream line ever expanding goals and allow all your alts to contribute towards progress. Some of these take weeks and months to get and nobody is going to get many of these on multiple alts. But if you could use all of your alts collectively it would actually be a refreshing mix to the stale tedium of a lot of these tasks. So what you do get is a sense of overall completion instead of large gaps and haphazard completion lists among your alts.

Hallothiel · December 2016

No. Absolutely not.

My main is a NB with most of the titles etc. I earned them playing him & using nb skills. I also have sorcs, dks and templars. I play each of those differently and so would not just want them to automatically have things they / I have not actually earned through playing their skills.

I do have CP that are shared, yes, but would not mind if they weren't.

Some things have to be earned. Some times you have to do the tasks required. Instant gratification is like it says - instant. No real achievement at all.