It finally happened!

Archamus · January 2017

Sounds like you couldn't meet their requirements and have now moved on. The only cancerous thing seems to be your reaction to it, it sucks to get cut from a team, but it happens. Maybe they'll give you another shot if you get to the point where you can meet the requirements.

Some guilds have dps requirements, because they have certain goals. Do you need that much DPS to clear trials on vet? No, but higher dps makes it easier, and leads to higher scores, which are important for some guilds and their members. If that isn't important to you, it wasn't a guild for you anyway and everyone wins. Just shop around for a guild that isn't as serious about trials.

There is no point getting upset if a Trade guild isn't attempting to form a competitive trial team, and there is no point getting upset with a guild that is. Lots of other guilds to join.

Tabbycat · January 2017

Lavum wrote: »

I'm wondering if this post and some of the responses is a troll.

I would not be surprised if this was a true story.

The flip side of the coin, of course, is that we didn't get the entire story and the guild may have had an entirely different point of view, equally legitimate as that of the OP. No one wants to paint themselves in a negative light. That is why you can never understand what really happens unless you are the unfortunate person who is caught in the middle.

Lavum · January 2017

Tabbycat wrote: »

Lavum wrote: »

I'm wondering if this post and some of the responses is a troll.

I would not be surprised if this was a true story.

The flip side of the coin, of course, is that we didn't get the entire story and the guild may have had an entirely different point of view, equally legitimate as that of the OP. No one wants to paint themselves in a negative light. That is why you can never understand what really happens unless you are the unfortunate person who is caught in the middle.

The sad thing is that the guild is painted like a bunch of *** or insane elitists. But I have been in a few top end guilds and the attitude described is night/day from my experience. Can't DPS? learn to Tank/Heal. Can't DPS, get better. Loosing ppl is not the aim of most guilds. I think quite a few ppl who posted before be hit some great points. And i do agree Tabby, we didn't get the whole story.

Robo_Hobo · January 2017

Sounds like it's a good thing you're not in it anymore, if they treated you that way. Now you have a fresh start to find a guild you can feel happier in.

Syrani · January 2017

I am in 3 guilds that run trials on a regular schedule. Let's call them Guild #1, Guild #2, and Guild #3. Guilds 1 and 2 have no DPS requirements. Guild 1 has yet to beat the last boss of vMoL, Guild #2 has beat the last boss of vMoL several times now, and we even skip synergy phase. Guild #3 is a very competitive guild, has several teams within the guild, and some of those teams require 40K DPS. I have a very tough time getting to 30K dps on my mag NB, so I run with Guild 1 and Guild 2. I hope to improve my dps so that I may eventually be able to join one of Guild 3's teams, but until then, I have no trouble with them setting whatever requirements they want. They don't get the scores they do by taking anyone and everyone - they only get those by being selective.

It's no fun to be kicked out, or not included - I understand that completely and am sorry that happened to you. However, a guild has every right to build a team that is aiming for a specific goal. This can be #1 leaderboard times, or it can be world first clears. You just need to find a guild that isn't aiming for those goals.

starkerealm · January 2017

Tabbycat wrote: »

Lavum wrote: »

I'm wondering if this post and some of the responses is a troll.

I would not be surprised if this was a true story.

The flip side of the coin, of course, is that we didn't get the entire story and the guild may have had an entirely different point of view, equally legitimate as that of the OP. No one wants to paint themselves in a negative light. That is why you can never understand what really happens unless you are the unfortunate person who is caught in the middle.

To be fair, I've been in guilds that pulled crap exactly like this on members. Leadership always had their cadre of people they started out with, who would go to bat for them, while people at the fringes got screwed over.

The story is, on its face, credible. There could be information we don't have, but it's also entirely possible that this is, in fact, a fair assessment of the guild's treatment of the OP.

Mojmir · January 2017

I have a guild similar to this,if your the not best you don't get kicked,you just don't make the "core" group.which also does the training for the people who aren't the best. I see both sides of the argument.

Thealteregoroman · January 2017

Glurin wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

What does TL;DR mean?

"Too Long, Didn't Read." Often used just before a one line summary of an unusually long post.

thank YOU!!!

starkerealm · January 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

I have a guild similar to this,if your the not best you don't get kicked,you just don't make the "core" group.which also does the training for the people who aren't the best. I see both sides of the argument.

Alternately, I've seen guilds where the "core" group ends up being the guild leader's buddies, and screw anyone's actual skill, but still claim it's a meritocracy.

me_ming · January 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Lol....pretty sure I know the guild the OP is talking about. The guild leader is probably the nicest player I have ever met on the NA server...the guild's policies are very fair and reasonable. Plenty of time was goven to players to reach the dps required to pads the tests. Additionally the guild offers people to contact in case an individual needs help learning a certain class. If the OP did not pass said test it could thus only be due to two reasons: 1. He did not take advantage of mentoring. 2. He was neyond help. Either way rules arw rules and they must be gollowed.

Also fyi any guild leader has the right and the authority to run his or her guild as they see fit. Using this same logic, any player that dislikes rules and regulations set forth by a raid leader can leave the guild.

^^ This. Elitism or not, it IS their guild. If you dislike their requisites find another or make your own. Simple. Who are you to tell them how they should run their own guild? From OP's post it seems to me that majority of the guild think you can't keep up with them, if that is the case, you probably can't. I have been in many trial guilds, and I have also left many trial guilds. Nothing against their rules, just not how I want to play.

Personally, I think OP just is not good enough for any end game content. I have run with him one time on vWGT (during the first few months it came out). I don't know how much he has imporved from then, but having someone make me use healing springs (I was the healer and he was then on his magsorc) on planar inhibitor makes me think that maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about. Also he wanted me to use healing ward, when he was a magsorc, I could have used it, but then again, I thought don't magsorcs have a better shield (that last 20s then)? I left that group because we couldn't go pass through Planar Inhibitor for 2 reasons 1.) he and his buddy tank thought I should use healing springs and were calling me out, and 2.) the real issue was that when OP had portal duty he was to slow to getting to them and destroying the portals. Maybe he was still learning mechanics then. I just left, as I decided I didn't want to waste any more time with that team. And thank goodness never got to play with OP again. lol.

Mojmir · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I have a guild similar to this,if your the not best you don't get kicked,you just don't make the "core" group.which also does the training for the people who aren't the best. I see both sides of the argument.

Alternately, I've seen guilds where the "core" group ends up being the guild leader's buddies, and screw anyone's actual skill, but still claim it's a meritocracy.

Yea,Ive seen that as well. If they are all buddies that's fine, w/e they're doing works and no one gets left behind. Can't speak for anyone else's guilds.

Ibage · January 2017

I mean, that sucks and all, but if thats the way the GM wants to run it, thats on them. I dont know much about the endgame here, but Ive been part of the endgame scene in most MMOs Ive played. Some people dont want to deal with lower numbers. Thats their way of playing. Find a laid back guild and just enjoy the game. It is a game afterall. Play how you want, but respect others may have different wants than you

MakoFore · January 2017

that sounds pretty bad- but hey-some groups really want to hit those leaderboards and get those weekly rewards. just like a football team, a school soccer team- there are tryouts- and u didn't make the cut. id say join a guild that suits more ur personality. I m with some more hardcore pvp guilds- and casual friendly guilds- I get a lot out of both.

but I genuinely sympathise with you- im sure its leaving u quite raw and a little salty- hence the need to vent.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

Op, if you're not a troll, it seems like this guild's officers just didnt want to play with you, and dps was just an excuse.
Either that or you're not being 100% honest about what happened... There's not many good dds, and its unlikely that anyone would want to get rid of one unless they had conflicts or if there were other issues (constant low dps, dying all the time etc). And in any case, why would you want to play with a group that doesnt like you?
Anyway, if you're actually good, it shouldnt be an issue to find another guild.

Gargath wrote: »

The guilds in eso are weird, I was in trading one, big one with a trader in Rawl'kha. During extensive trading I was advancing in ranks to a middle rank, a magnate or something. Which means my sales were generating quite nice profit to the guild.
Then I was not online for about 1,5 week without any notice earlier, and was just kicked for inactivity. Without a single in game email. Now I Wonder why did I have so much interest in advancing in guild ranks and was doing all this active stuff with others guildies, if I can be kicked so easily just for inactivity and nobody really cares.

Sure, I don't really care about it either, as someone stated above there are plenty of guilds awaiting fresh people. It's just a feeling, if you are internet player and see only numbers and weird names, but no faces, there is no way you can find real friends in guildies especially not in guild management. I'll always be a pawn in the game, because all this socializing is quite shallow...

Its not weird.
In most of those trading guilds ranks are weekly and if you're afk for more than a week without messaging an officer, you're getting kicked. Thats not because they're evil, its just because traders cost a lot of gold every week and they cant afford keeping inactive players.
I've been in a few big trading guilds, and they all had similar rules. Probably it was the same in your former guild...

JinMori · January 2017

We call those people ***. I myself can pull more than 30 k, but i would never be such an ***

idk · January 2017

Lavum wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

Lavum wrote: »

I'm wondering if this post and some of the responses is a troll.

I would not be surprised if this was a true story.

The flip side of the coin, of course, is that we didn't get the entire story and the guild may have had an entirely different point of view, equally legitimate as that of the OP. No one wants to paint themselves in a negative light. That is why you can never understand what really happens unless you are the unfortunate person who is caught in the middle.

The sad thing is that the guild is painted like a bunch of *** or insane elitists. But I have been in a few top end guilds and the attitude described is night/day from my experience. Can't DPS? learn to Tank/Heal. Can't DPS, get better. Loosing ppl is not the aim of most guilds. I think quite a few ppl who posted before be hit some great points. And i do agree Tabby, we didn't get the whole story.

I agree with @Lavum. The guilds I know that clear vMol often would rather help than hurt.

Glurin · January 2017

Lavum wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

Lavum wrote: »

I'm wondering if this post and some of the responses is a troll.

I would not be surprised if this was a true story.

The flip side of the coin, of course, is that we didn't get the entire story and the guild may have had an entirely different point of view, equally legitimate as that of the OP. No one wants to paint themselves in a negative light. That is why you can never understand what really happens unless you are the unfortunate person who is caught in the middle.

The sad thing is that the guild is painted like a bunch of *** or insane elitists. But I have been in a few top end guilds and the attitude described is night/day from my experience. Can't DPS? learn to Tank/Heal. Can't DPS, get better. Loosing ppl is not the aim of most guilds. I think quite a few ppl who posted before be hit some great points. And i do agree Tabby, we didn't get the whole story.

Quite frankly, I don't need the whole story. IMO, the DPS requirement by itself is like seeing a failing grade from the health inspector on a restaurant door. Maybe the food is good, maybe it isn't, and maybe, just maybe, it won't kill you. Whatever the case may be, I kinda don't want to eat there.

OrphanHelgen · January 2017

Lavum wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

Lavum wrote: »

I'm wondering if this post and some of the responses is a troll.

I would not be surprised if this was a true story.

The flip side of the coin, of course, is that we didn't get the entire story and the guild may have had an entirely different point of view, equally legitimate as that of the OP. No one wants to paint themselves in a negative light. That is why you can never understand what really happens unless you are the unfortunate person who is caught in the middle.

The sad thing is that the guild is painted like a bunch of *** or insane elitists. But I have been in a few top end guilds and the attitude described is night/day from my experience. Can't DPS? learn to Tank/Heal. Can't DPS, get better. Loosing ppl is not the aim of most guilds. I think quite a few ppl who posted before be hit some great points. And i do agree Tabby, we didn't get the whole story.

I am an officer in end game "elitism" guild as you would like to call it.
How it looks like from our point of view, where we tell people to get dps like that:

We work for hours each day with drawings, group compositions, tactics, plans, applicants etc. Its basically a full time job for us. We have this type of interest in this game and would like to play with players on our level of interest. A player who rage because no one answer his lfm pledge request in guild chat, are not even a guild invite for us. For us, its purely about progression, attendance, knowledge, adjustment to group and ofc dps. I would like to repeat, this is what make me personal in the game, this type of playstyle. If this type of playstyle are not for you, then move to another guild. Even if we invite someone to guild, they will still be on an application period for around 3 weeks, where they also can see if they like and fit into the group or not. If they don't like that we wont do pledges with them or weekly for loot, then they are free to leave at any point.

Based on op's playstyle and interest of the game, he completely have no clue what end game progression guilds have to offer. Yes some guilds might suit your playstyle and personality, but not that one you are talking about. If you spend same amount of improving in dps as it took you to write this ***, you would have 5k more already.

Humatiel · January 2017

I can argue against a DPS test that rubs against a class ceiling but I cannot find fault in tests that are nowhere close. 30k for instance is 4-5k under the class ceiling of even the lowest magicka class (unbuffed). Even more if you know how to...adapt to an unbuffed dps test. While veteran trials are a bit of a joke these days to most raiding guilds its a hard truth that the vast majority of eso is to casual to do them, because of this testing will always be necessary to some degree or another.

starkerealm · January 2017

Humatiel wrote: »

I can argue against a DPS test that rubs against a class ceiling but I cannot find fault in tests that are nowhere close. 30k for instance is 4-5k under the class ceiling of even the lowest magicka class (unbuffed). Even more if you know how to...adapt to an unbuffed dps test. While veteran trials are a bit of a joke these days to most raiding guilds its a hard truth that the vast majority of eso is to casual to do them, because of this testing will always be necessary to some degree or another.

Though, to be fair, publicly stating the test is for 30k, while privately demanding 35k is kinda a BS move.

FloppyTouch · January 2017

Who cares screw them, seems like ur dps is just fine and they lost out on a great raid member and a team player don't worry about it find a new guild and grow from what you learned and always try to improve.

Set ur new goal to be the best dps you can be and get a higher score then the guild you were in.

Renoaku_ESO · January 2017

Honestly **** that guild whatever the name of it was, a Guild that kicks new players for not understanding from the guild isn't worth enough to be in...

I was once in a guild myself on a different game you know what I got kicked, even banned from Team Speak, because I called out a person from the guild within the rules who admit to "Hacking" and doing Denial of service attacks on our own server its likely he was just trolling but same got kicked and banned so I spent over a year trolling them until I got one of their officers to admit that it wasn't right it was fun too I had fun doing it, because I found everywhere they played and called them out for what they did...

Bottom Line (IF you were kicked) Just leave the guild with your friends its not worth your time (IF your friends don't leave the guild too) then they are not truly your friends and you should just (Remove them from your friends list) Not to bring religion to these forums but (Don't do with evil doers?)

Find a friendly guild that allows new players, anyone doing strict DPS meters and all that or DKP don't bother with it its not worth your time find a laid back guild who has fun with one another doing the runs its more fun.

Also Its okay to have a elite group within a guild or friends who can do a certain amount of DPS (But your guild as a whole should not be rude to its other members.)

I would recommend the guild I have been in for years, but they don't play ESO.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

Renoaku_ESO wrote: »

Honestly **** that guild whatever the name of it was, a Guild that kicks new players for not understanding from the guild isn't worth enough to be in...

It doesnt look like it was a guild "for new players" tho.
And if you join a competitive guild, you have to be a team player. I dont know what happened to OP, maybe he actually wasnt good enough, maybe he was kicked because of some kind of conflict (which also might be the case considering how angry he is), but any guild can set any requirements they want.
Guild =/= group finder group. Guild is essentially a group of likeminded people, and naturally, not all guilds are supposed to be casual-friendly. Deal with it.
I know everyone is super scared of being kicked (dunno why; whats the point in playing with people that dont like you/dont share your interests?), but sometimes conflicts might happen. Its just how things are - that happens sometimes even in casual or trading guilds. And you cant judge anyone in this story if you only know the half of the story.

idk · January 2017

Renoaku_ESO wrote: »

Honestly **** that guild whatever the name of it was, a Guild that kicks new players for not understanding from the guild isn't worth enough to be in...

I was once in a guild myself on a different game you know what I got kicked, even banned from Team Speak, because I called out a person from the guild within the rules who admit to "Hacking" and doing Denial of service attacks on our own server its likely he was just trolling but same got kicked and banned so I spent over a year trolling them until I got one of their officers to admit that it wasn't right it was fun too I had fun doing it, because I found everywhere they played and called them out for what they did...

Bottom Line (IF you were kicked) Just leave the guild with your friends its not worth your time (IF your friends don't leave the guild too) then they are not truly your friends and you should just (Remove them from your friends list) Not to bring religion to these forums but (Don't do with evil doers?)

Find a friendly guild that allows new players, anyone doing strict DPS meters and all that or DKP don't bother with it its not worth your time find a laid back guild who has fun with one another doing the runs its more fun.

Also Its okay to have a elite group within a guild or friends who can do a certain amount of DPS (But your guild as a whole should not be rude to its other members.)

I would recommend the guild I have been in for years, but they don't play ESO.

@Renoaku_ESO

He was not a new player. He clearly stated he was in that guild for a year. Judging from what he did say it may be the case he did not take advantage of resources to help him improve.

Multiple comments in here from members of end game raiding guilds have stated the guilds would rather help someone that kick them.

Horowonnoe · January 2017

OP, looks like you were simply in the wrong guild for what you were looking for. The guild you were in seems to be more competitive than what you were expecting and their requirements just were too much for you personally.
In that case, as many have stated before me, there are literally hundreds of other guilds you can join that do very casual, very easy going trial runs. You said you don't know names, ok, well PM me, i will send you some options of casual trials/social guilds you can apply to.

As for you being kicked after a year - well - a year is a long time

You know how many hours that is? It gives you so much time to improve. So much time to ask for help or advice. You mentioned it was hard to find people to tank or heal your test? Usually, you can ask in game friends to do that and repay the favor when they want to test their toons.

Or as i did a few times when i needed to practice for a dps test and no friends were online, i advertised in zone and offered to pay a random healer and a tank 5k gold + a stack of soul gems if they healed/tanked bloodspawn for me. And i found a healer and tank easily enough, taught them how to support a dps test and practiced away for a couple hours and ended up reaching my goal.

And besides, if you wanted to, you could have always just asked for dps help right here in the forums. Even on this thread there are several people that are amazing at dps and would be more than happy to help.

/End rant

P.S. I hear having 100 defiled whiskers in your inventory increase your dps by 1.52k

Astanphaeus · January 2017

As a primary PvPer who can just pull 15k in single target dps when I try PvEing, I can still respect the desires of a PvE guild that want to compete for the top of the PvE leaderboards. I don't really understand the point of raging against it (and yes, if you make an entire forum post about it, you are raging whether you want to admit it or not). If you don't want to be a part of such a guild, then don't be; but there is nothing wrong with a guild that wants to be the best.

Sausage · January 2017

Its guild issue what has been around forever. We dont have any value to Guild so they can kick us out as they please and replace us with somebody else. I think players should carry guild progression with them what Guild needs, so instead of kicking us out, they should work with us, when one leaves the guild progression is removed from the guild too, putting them backwards.

This is actually solution to Elitism, when Elitist needs non-Elitist, its good thing.

Vipstaakki · January 2017

Elitism never changes. What absolute idiots you had in your guild.

EvilCroc · January 2017

Is this DPS-meters fixation common for endgame PvE guilds? Or op was just unlucky?

Sovjet · January 2017

Guilds that have Administrations and Public Relations are too much of real life stay away from it