Yes it is fine for PvP or Pve but I prefer a Templar in all situations. They are great for CCing and being sneaky while healing plus fear

NB healer is perfectly viable for group healing. You might lose your spot to a templar in trial groups but NBs are great in 4-man dungeons.

Yes! I have one, I'm currently working on the build, I've added 2k more health and 2k more magicka since this screenshot.

Yes and they make great tanks as well.

lazarus102 wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Yes it is fine for PvP or Pve but I prefer a Templar in all situations. They are great for CCing and being sneaky while healing plus fear

But on a hard hitting fight can they bust out the heals needed? Just seems to me that a templar would make more sense overall. I've been playing mmorpgs for over a decade now and never really seen a dps be a healer, just sounds ludicrous in my mind.

I'm not talkin about running spindleclutch and sewers, I mean like dlc dungeons, white gold tower(we're low lvl, these things challenge us).

There's probably less room for error than a Templar has but a good healer will make it work while doing some decent damage.

Danksta wrote: »

Yes and they make great tanks as well.

lazarus102 wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Yes it is fine for PvP or Pve but I prefer a Templar in all situations. They are great for CCing and being sneaky while healing plus fear

But on a hard hitting fight can they bust out the heals needed? Just seems to me that a templar would make more sense overall. I've been playing mmorpgs for over a decade now and never really seen a dps be a healer, just sounds ludicrous in my mind.

I'm not talkin about running spindleclutch and sewers, I mean like dlc dungeons, white gold tower(we're low lvl, these things challenge us).

There's probably less room for error than a Templar has but a good healer will make it work while doing some decent damage.

Agreed, a nightblade healer can provide awesome dps and heals but you do need a group that knows that they won't be getting insta healed to full health every time they wait in the red.

Nightblade healers are the perfect off heal class.


They do lack the utility that Templars can provide though... However my build
Will make up for that

There are a lot of Nightblade abilities that also throw out heals to group members.

For most content, all you really need is Grand Healing and Regeneration (especially now that they are fixing it), and those are the first two skills under the Restoration Staff. Always keep these ticking.
For the tougher things or bad groups, the Restoration Staff shield heal becomes important.
She should use the Nightblade abilities mentioned: Funnel Health, Refreshing Path, Soul Siphon.

Interesting Fact: Nightblades were actually considered the "Healer" class very early in the game's life, before Templars were added.

Learning to heal on a Nightblade will also make her a better healer, in my opinion. While skills like Breath of Life are very useful, some people learn to rely on the Templar skills as a crutch. Non-Templars need to rely more on anticipating potential damage and reacting before it happens. (Yes, Sorcerers do have their burst heal, but they need to manage the health of their Twilight to ensure the heal will be available, so same concept applies.)

Is templar healer a thing?
is sorc healer a thing?
is dk healer a thing?


The answer to all above is yes. Leave your thought proccess of mmo class / role design at the door with eso.

Despite what anyone might try to foolishly tell you here, each class is not specifically designed around fulfilling a single role in this game better than an alternative class in the same role. To think such a silly limitation would be encouraged in an mmo that abides by the trinity group format which it only contains 4 classes is ridiculous and ZOS definitely feels the same way.

People see a "restoring light" named skill line and assume templars are the intended end game defacto healers. Despite the fact that said skill line contains just as many key skills/passives for magicka templar dps and tenplar tanks. And the crowning argument for why people consider templars number 1... Stamina utility, is conveniently NOT located in the "healing" skill tree.

Worth noting is that outside of hard mode trails (raids), stam utility is completely overkill unless you have to carry weaker dps or tank players in your group. At which point you are honestly better off just slotting more dps skills yourself instead of utility to clear any 4 man content faster. And in trials you will always have 2 healers and no group worth a *** is stacking 2 templars in the healing role.

Sorcs have the highest burst heal in the game, an aoe healing ultimate

Dks have an easy accesd to major mending that is tied to stam return and ult gen. A massive group wide damage shield ultimate.As well as an entirely selfLESS healing skill in their arsenal.

Between funnel health, restoring path, sap essence and the ability to forgo more magicka recovery to gear for more spell damage thanks to siphoning attacks, an aoe burst heal ultimate that deals zero damage as well as an ultimate that provides 30 percent damage reduction to everyone standing in it...... NBs are incredible healers.

And of course you couple all of those unique class abilities with the universal restoration staff skill line available to everyone that contains crucial healing and utility tools and the picture can simply not be painted any clearer.

None of what i listed was an accident or an oversight on the developers part. And you would do well as a player in this game to learn this sooner rather than later. Do not let anyone tell you the healing role, the dps role, or the tank role is exclusively bound to a single 1 of the mere 4 classes available in this game.

lazarus102 wrote: »

I've been playing mmorpgs for over a decade now and never really seen a dps be a healer, just sounds ludicrous in my mind.

This is your problem. Leave your preconceived notions from other MMOs behind. In ESO class != role. A Nightblade is not a DPS class, it's just a class.

Every class is viable in every role for all content if you set up your build for the role intelligently. The only real difference is that some classes get "training wheels" for certain roles (ie. it's easier for a new or simply not very good player to be an adequate tank with a DK, or an adequate healer with a Templar, etc), but in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing, every class can do every role competitively.

Of course, due to the "training wheels" that classes have for certain roles, there are some people who don't want to risk running with a NB healer in a PUG in case the person trying it doesn't know what they're doing. On the flip side, in vet trials it's not uncommon for the person organizing the group to want specific classes for specific roles, but at that point it's more about them wanting certain specific skills to be used by certain designated people.

But yeah, a Nightblade healer is definitely a thing. So is a Nightblade tank. So is a Sorcerer healer, and a Sorcerer tank, and a Dragonknight DPS, and a Dragonknight healer, and a Templar DPS, and a Templar tank.

Brrrofski wrote: »

Also make great tanks as well. For 4 man dungeons, my saptank far outshines a dk tank.

Yeah, I've run with a couple of really really good nightblade tanks. I haven't really gotten the hang of NB tanking myself, but I haven't really given it a proper try yet either. I usually do my tanking on a DK or a Templar, mostly because my 2 characters that I play the most are a DK and a Templar lol.

lazarus102 wrote: »

So since the word around seems to be that any class can fill any role, are there certain class/role combinations that are best? Am I wasting my time leveling a dk tank when a templar tank would be so much better with the ability to self heal, or is templar healer worth my time when they can't dps as well as an nb healer which is apparently just as good at healing?

Generally when you crunch all the numbers something is going to be the best, so what is/are for pve/pvp?

It's not as simple as that. Different class/build/gear/role combinations are best in different situations. It depends on exactly what content you're doing, and it depends on whether it's solo or group, and if it's group it depends on the class/build/gear/roles combinations of the rest of the group.

lazarus102 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

lazarus102 wrote: »

So since the word around seems to be that any class can fill any role, are there certain class/role combinations that are best? Am I wasting my time leveling a dk tank when a templar tank would be so much better with the ability to self heal, or is templar healer worth my time when they can't dps as well as an nb healer which is apparently just as good at healing?

Generally when you crunch all the numbers something is going to be the best, so what is/are for pve/pvp?

It's not as simple as that. Different class/build/gear/role combinations are best in different situations. It depends on exactly what content you're doing, and it depends on whether it's solo or group, and if it's group it depends on the class/build/gear/roles combinations of the rest of the group.

Well, if my endgame goal was to solo, I'd be playing Skyrim. That said, how do you build a character then unless you always group with the same people all the time?

Pick a class and role. If you want to be a tank and you like what a Dragonknight brings to the table, then go with it. In the vast majority of content there's absolutely no need to worry about whether what you've picked is 100% the best option for the content & the people you're grouped with. It's really only vet trials and maybe top PVP where you need to worry about that, and for those it's likely that you'll have a core group of people you're doing them with, so you can coordinate your builds to best effect.

Also, level as many different skills and skill lines as you can, because it's always good to be able to swap out skills on your skill bars for specific situations. Say I'm a Templar running as a healer for a group with 3 magicka-based characters. I may not bother with shards on my bar because it'll largely go to waste. If I'm the same Templar healer but I'm running with stamina-based characters, I'll definitely slot shards. Now that's a very obvious example, but there are tons of other skills that you may want to swap out depending on the situation.

KingYogi415 wrote: »

As a tank and stam dps i know anyone not a templar healer sucks.

No other class has a single skill that gives stam back to the team.
Of course elite players on this forum can handle having no stam return, 90% of the people you find in group finder can not.

Selfish to not play the best support class as healer.

Being a special snowflake is fine, just don't expect people think your any good.

Ps. If you have a templar dps running shards and repentence, sure any1 can spam springs and combat. But as a healer shards for the tank and repentencing adds for free stam and healz is your job.

Just being real!

Or lazy!

Resource management comes down to you, not the other guy who now has to only play temps for heals to be able to shard.

Some temps dont even run shards.

In 4 man dungeons an NB healer who knows his build and what he/she is doing is more than adequate.

lazarus102 wrote: »

So since the word around seems to be that any class can fill any role, are there certain class/role combinations that are best?

Yes. Or at least, each class is optimized towards a specific role or roles. But, that doesn't mean you're locked into that, and with a little creativity you can do some really impressive things off of expectations.

The idea is that Nightblades and Sorcs are DPS, Templars are healers, and DKs are tanks. However, each class has passives that gear them towards taking up one of the other roles.

For instance, when it comes to tanking Templars and DKs have increased blocking passives. But, Nightblades and sorcs have skills that are geared for tanking, and they can outperform Templars or DKs in the right hands.

With healing, same deal, any class can get speced for healing. Templars and Nightblades have the best in class heal options, but Sorcs and DKs can also make respectable healers. The difference is, they all play a little differently. Nightblades used to be favored as healers for trials because they have more aggressive utility options to support their healing than Templars do. (More accurately, trials used to want one of each, usually.)

Also, no, you're not wasting your time by leveling a character you change your mind about later. You can always respec for gold, and while 6k may seem like a lot now, when you're running around at CR160+, that's not a lot of money.

lazarus102 wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

As a tank and stam dps i know anyone not a templar healer sucks.

No other class has a single skill that gives stam back to the team.
Of course elite players on this forum can handle having no stam return, 90% of the people you find in group finder can not.

Selfish to not play the best support class as healer.

Being a special snowflake is fine, just don't expect people think your any good.

Ps. If you have a templar dps running shards and repentence, sure any1 can spam springs and combat. But as a healer shards for the tank and repentencing adds for free stam and healz is your job.

Just being real!

Real is good, I get kinda tired of people that care more to pander to other people's feelings than playing the game right.
Resource management might work better later in game when I have more skills as a dk but on harder fights shards has helped me to get by for now. So ya, in the process of leveling I do think templar would be ideal but matter less once I've acquired skills to boost my own stamina.

He's not "being real" he's being wrong. If you're having resource management issues to the point that you need to rely on someone else to replenish your stamina or your magicka then either you're doing it wrong (possibly a bad build, possibly you just don't really know how to manage your resources) or you pretty much always run with the same group of people and you've set up your builds around specific ways to support each other's particular builds.

As a tank and stamina DPS (I actually have both magicka & stamina characters of each class and play all roles) I know that I virtually never run out of stamina or need to have it replenished by someone else. Basically, a Templar healer is a safety blanket for stamina builds. Is it nice to have that stamina replenishment from them? Sure. Is it something you should expect, or (even worse) rely on? Definitely not (again, the exception being if you run with the same group and you've set up your builds based on that).

Mind you, while you're still leveling you may find it more difficult to get by without that extra resource help, as you likely haven't unlocked all of the skills you need to be self-sufficient. When you've unlocked them and you've got some decent max-level gear, though, it shouldn't be an issue.

Of course, having said all of that, vet trials are a bit of another story. For that, odds are you'll want at least 1 Templar using shards and repentance. It could be a DPS or tank, mind you, but most often you'd expect it to be a healer.

UrQuan wrote: »

lazarus102 wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

As a tank and stam dps i know anyone not a templar healer sucks.

No other class has a single skill that gives stam back to the team.
Of course elite players on this forum can handle having no stam return, 90% of the people you find in group finder can not.

Selfish to not play the best support class as healer.

Being a special snowflake is fine, just don't expect people think your any good.

Ps. If you have a templar dps running shards and repentence, sure any1 can spam springs and combat. But as a healer shards for the tank and repentencing adds for free stam and healz is your job.

Just being real!

Mind you, while you're still leveling you may find it more difficult to get by without that extra resource help, as you likely haven't unlocked all of the skills you need to be self-sufficient. When you've unlocked them and you've got some decent max-level gear, though, it shouldn't be an issue.

ya.. that's kinda my point...
I'm not some vet player with everything figured out and all my points added in all the right places and 160cp .etc. If I was I would not likely have made this thread.