Im sick of this LEET trading guilds!

EnviousStruggle · January 2017

no im not against the systems of trading kiosks
i just want invite to trade!

but instead of it what im getting?

- Where you know im in that guild?
- What a name of your friend who told about us?
- requirements*(okay im agreed!!!)
- wait, am i know you? your @id is quite suspicious
- why you named @Muheh?
-
- Jesus its my real name why you asking all this im feeling like im in Gestapo!!!

- okay, sorry we are full, wanna join to waiting list?
- or mby join to our sister guild firs and proove you deserve us

*** leet clubs always full always unfriendly and suspect everyone for spying!!!!!!!!

guys i just got a pic from one of the forum users
i must post it lol
it proove my words

what a *** persons are leaders of such guilds? tell me

[Edit to remove naming and shaming]

disintegr8 · January 2017

I have never encountered any of that and I am in two fairly active trading guilds. Some guilds are actually full and have a waiting list because they are limited to 500 members.

And I don't see a problem with a good guild being a little picky about who they invite - it is less work to just not invite someone to join than it is to monitor their c=input and kick them later on.

srfrogg23 · January 2017

Heh, I was randomly invited to the same trading guild twice without asking for an invite. Just running around minding my own business.

I was kicked from it twice for not participating... Completely besides the point!

Wasn't a fan of the, ahem, LEET Trading Guild life. Got too many emails that read like corporate memos. Felt like I was back at the office.

Especially that sternly worded memo about equal opportunity and the chat system. Kind of weird. Maybe I didn't look at chat enough, but I never saw anyone say anything offensive.

You know how it goes, one person craps their pants and now we all have to wear diapers.

-I'm sorry, what was the question?...Yeah, I have a copy of the memo.

ArchMikem · January 2017

Just a reason why i stay FAR away from these people that take things way too seriously. Leave the protocol and whatnot to real life, this is a game.

WuffyCerulei · January 2017

If you need a trading guild (and are NA PC, cuz that's where I am) that isn't at all like this, lemme know. Only have an inactive policy of 14 days and general rule of not being a jerk to your guildies.

Rastafariel · January 2017

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Heh, I was randomly invited to the same trading guild twice without asking for an invite. Just running around minding my own business.

I was kicked from it twice for not participating... Completely besides the point!

Wasn't a fan of the, ahem, LEET Trading Guild life. Got too many emails that read like corporate memos. Felt like I was back at the office.

Especially that sternly worded memo about equal opportunity and the chat system. Kind of weird. Maybe I didn't look at chat enough, but I never saw anyone say anything offensive.

You know how it goes, one person craps their pants and now we all have to wear diapers.

-I'm sorry, what was the question?...Yeah, I have a copy of the memo.

This. Truth. Also:

They tried to to take you stapler didn't they?

Reverb · January 2017

I never experienced any of this, except for an explanation of sales and participation requirements before joining. Even that was only in one of my top trade guilds. I don't know what you've got going on, but it's not the norm.

geonsocal · January 2017

@EnviousStruggle ...just check out the guild section of the forums...you should have a good chance of finding what you're looking for there and arrange a guild invite...

yeah, one big positive of establishing some type of auction house for people would be to allow everyone to participate in the trading process...

Bouldercleave · January 2017

srfrogg23 wrote: »

You know how it goes, one person craps their pants and now we all have to wear diapers.

I TOLD you that it was an accident!

IronCrystal · January 2017

I can 100% see where these "leet" trading guilds are coming from, and I 100% support guilds having requirements to join. But that doesn't mean there aren't guilds without high standards. Those guilds just aren't for you. Simply ask for a guild that has lower requirements or no requirements. They won't be as good as the best trading guilds but then again the best guilds only want the best sellers.

srfrogg23 · January 2017

Rastafariel wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Heh, I was randomly invited to the same trading guild twice without asking for an invite. Just running around minding my own business.

I was kicked from it twice for not participating... Completely besides the point!

Wasn't a fan of the, ahem, LEET Trading Guild life. Got too many emails that read like corporate memos. Felt like I was back at the office.

Especially that sternly worded memo about equal opportunity and the chat system. Kind of weird. Maybe I didn't look at chat enough, but I never saw anyone say anything offensive.

You know how it goes, one person craps their pants and now we all have to wear diapers.

-I'm sorry, what was the question?...Yeah, I have a copy of the memo.

This. Truth. Also:

They tried to to take you stapler didn't they?

It's ok. A lighter and a file room solved that problem. Enjoying Mexico now. No salt on the rim please.

srfrogg23 · January 2017

Bouldercleave wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

You know how it goes, one person craps their pants and now we all have to wear diapers.

I TOLD you that it was an accident!

I don't care how good Game of Thrones was this week, there is no excuse for that.

Dawnblade · January 2017

disintegr8 wrote: »

I have never encountered any of that and I am in two fairly active trading guilds. Some guilds are actually full and have a waiting list because they are limited to 500 members.

And I don't see a problem with a good guild being a little picky about who they invite - it is less work to just not invite someone to join than it is to monitor their c=input and kick them later on.

I would generally agree being picky about who is invited to a guild is not necessarily a bad thing as inviting someone looking to RP all night to a guild full of min / maxers trying to down the hardest content probably is not a good match.

However, locking the ability to trade (outside of spamming chat) behind guilds, setting guild roster limit at 500, and having a small number of locations with decent traffic bid out to the highest bidders results in this nonsense of guilds that exist just to sell crap calling themselves 'leet'.

Anyways OP you can thank ZOS for tying trade to the silly guild trader system, restricting guilds to 500 members, and having very few actual desirable trader locations.

But hey, it sure adds a lot of fun and engagement to the game knowing one needs to beg for an invite to a 'trade' guild just to sell items in game to other players without spending all day spamming zone chat, doesn't it?

Woeler · January 2017

So don't join? Problem solved. Wow, magic.

lagrue · January 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Just a reason why i stay FAR away from these people that take things way too seriously. Leave the protocol and whatnot to real life, this is a game.

I think if you ever took on the role of trying to manage a Trading Guild you would quickly see why people are so up their butts about it. It's not an easy job, and it's incredibly demanding - it requires people to essentially make the game their real life in order to sustain the guild for everybody else.

It's not a fair market in ESO - and the competition for prime trading space is real. You're either serious or you're not going to have a trader, simple as that.

The reason GMs do this kind of questioning is for 2 reasons - 1 to weed out people who won't contribute - and 2, to pay dues to people who do contribute (I.e. when they ask who invited you, it's because they're gonna promote/incentivize that guy for his actions).

Thankfully the clan I got into is super cool, and our leader is also nice - I've had some text exchanges with him. I didn't have to jump through hoops to get in though. I just asked - told him what I would contribute, when I could - and boom de la bing, I'm in a trading guild.

If you're trying to get into the position of being a trader, the least you could do is go through a basic interview process for the person dedicating all their time to make sure you have an avenue to trade in the first place.

ForsakenSin · January 2017

Yhea im really happy with my choices in guilds im in one of the big trading guild ( in which you just pay weekly fee) and others are pretty big pve/pvp friendly guilds other one is mine for privet friends and last one is trials guild i never asked or was asked requirements to join guilds however there was that one time....

After the 12 man trial it was just two of us chatting and he said " your" DPS is so huge...... i quickly answered with " thats what SHE SAID" .... (it was late and im a smart gluteus maximus) ... so anyway he proceeded with " im a high officer of this guild ... ... you have a honorer to join one of the best guilds ...but i need to ask you few questions.... so im like "sure go ahead ask..."

The questions were

1 what set are you running i would love to know
2 how much gold you have ( i remember he said weekly donations were like 25k PER CHARACTER!!)
3 what time you will be playing trials and what time i will be on
4 Whats your wd and stamina
5 VMA score
6 you would need to provide facebook and email address for guild notification
7 there will be recruiting times when you will need to wear specific armor and banner and need to paint all your set in specific colour at ALL TIMES
8) addressing officers by Sir or Ma'am
9) All trial drops will go to the leader who will distribute them
10) If you get requested by a higher rank then you need to drop everything to go and help with their needs regardless if its dungeons trials or to craft them items.
11) you need to have a tank healer and DPS and if they need one of those you need to switch and choose it right away.

"Ohhh you don't need to answer those questions right away as they will send me email with questions where i need to answer it"... me " so ummm so like a test to see if i pass...thats funny... .......wait you not joking??... yhea thank you but im not interested ..."

( ps this was a while while while ago and i don't remember his guilds name)

some people take things way too serious.....

arena25 · January 2017

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

no im not against the systems of trading kiosks
i just want invite to trade!

but instead of it what im getting?

- Where you know im in that guild?
- What a name of your friend who told about us?
- requirements*(okay im agreed!!!)
- wait, am i know you? your @id is quite suspicious
- why you named @Muheh?
-
- Jesus its my real name why you asking all this im feeling like im in Gestapo!!!

- okay, sorry we are full, wanna join to waiting list?
- or mby join to our sister guild firs and proove you deserve us

*** leet clubs always full always unfriendly and suspect everyone for spying!!!!!!!!

If people are asking you suspicious questions, report them...and possibly the guild as well. ZeniMax won't put up with that behavior, from guilds or players.

MattT1988 · January 2017

ForsakenSin wrote: »

8) addressing officers by Sir or Ma'am

All of those were pretty funny but this one takes the cake. LOL!

I think you dodged a bullet there mate, anyone who demands this from their guildies is a complete and total flog and need to be smacked in the mouth. No exceptions.

ForsakenSin · January 2017

@MattT1988

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH

So true buddy ps Glad it gave you a laugh you can imagine how hard was not to laugh when the guy was talking so serious about it lol yep dodged a bullet there big time and yhea i don't think i would last 10 min in that guild

i can imagine convo going like this

Forsaken Sin joined the guild
Officer " welcome to the guild"
me " hey mate how are you doing ?
Officer " YOU WILL ADDRESS ME BY SIR ....
me.." Sorry Mate it won't happen again..."
Officer "You did it again .. Why is this so hard?
Me " That's what SHE said

Forsaken Sin has been kicked from the guild

MattT1988 · January 2017

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Officer "You did it again .. Why is this so hard?
Me " That's what SHE said

@ForsakenSin
If you said that to me you'd be welcome in any guild I would be running.

ForsakenSin · January 2017

@MattT1988
Hehehe thanx buddy

Abeille · January 2017

Unfortunately, although it can be unpleasant to deal with this kind of stuff, it is needed if a guild wants to stay in the main trading hubs.

But yeah, I imagine it can be really annoying when you are trying to get in. I was lucky I got in a big trading guild when things were not so strict (like, two years ago or so?). It is stressful to try to keep up with the requirements when you are going through a particularly busy time, too. But when I think of how annoying it is, I also think "at least I'm not the guild master". Because, really, administrating one of the truly big trading guilds must be a nightmare. The thought alone of having all that responsibility, that if I mess up then 500 people will lose a trading spot, would probably make me give up on the first week.

Mrs_Malaka · January 2017

Do you remember the date of the npc trade kiosks release?

EnviousStruggle · January 2017

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

Do you remember the date of the npc trade kiosks release?

summer 2014?

Enslaved · January 2017

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

Do you remember the date of the npc trade kiosks release?

6.6.6.

Dragonnord · January 2017

This is not something that happens. In more than two years I was never asked nor treated like that on trading guilds.

altemriel · January 2017

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

no im not against the systems of trading kiosks
i just want invite to trade!

but instead of it what im getting?

- Where you know im in that guild?
- What a name of your friend who told about us?
- requirements*(okay im agreed!!!)
- wait, am i know you? your @id is quite suspicious
- why you named @Muheh?
-
- Jesus its my real name why you asking all this im feeling like im in Gestapo!!!

- okay, sorry we are full, wanna join to waiting list?
- or mby join to our sister guild firs and proove you deserve us

*** leet clubs always full always unfriendly and suspect everyone for spying!!!!!!!!

better way to join guilds is on the forums here, check this out:
and ask for invitation or more info if you need:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/guild-recruitment

Wollust · January 2017

I'm in one of the top trading guilds on PC EU and I just whispered the guild leader for an inv. No talk at all, instantly invited.
You might be doing something wrong buddy.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

no im not against the systems of trading kiosks
i just want invite to trade!

but instead of it what im getting?

- Where you know im in that guild?
- What a name of your friend who told about us?
- requirements*(okay im agreed!!!)
- wait, am i know you? your @id is quite suspicious
- why you named @Muheh?
-
- Jesus its my real name why you asking all this im feeling like im in Gestapo!!!

- okay, sorry we are full, wanna join to waiting list?
- or mby join to our sister guild firs and proove you deserve us

*** leet clubs always full always unfriendly and suspect everyone for spying!!!!!!!!

Leet groups are scared of one thing. Not being leet anymore or having other people on thier level. Hence the shutdowns on vmol groups and charging 1m for a run.

Lord Sidious said it before. All powerful people are scared of losing power, because eso is RL.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · January 2017

lagrue wrote: »

I think if you ever took on the role of trying to manage a Trading Guild you would quickly see why people are so up their butts about it. It's not an easy job, and it's incredibly demanding - it requires people to essentially make the game their real life in order to sustain the guild for everybody else.

All that demonstrates is that the Trade Kiosk system is not really fit for purpose.

All The Best

Enodoc · January 2017

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

Do you remember the date of the npc trade kiosks release?

Update 3 (1.3.3), 4 August 2014.