Are Blazpler tanks a myth to PvErs?

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

Jamini wrote: »

1. Have you actually taking her through normal Trials yet? All four, not just HRC. (Which is the easiest trial to tank). Trial setups are totally different than dungeon setups, and vet trials are even more specialized for a reason.
2. Are you running with a PUG? Expecting to join a pug trial with a non-standard setup is generally considered a bad idea. Pick-up groups have standard (fairly low) expectations of their teammates, and failing to meet them 100% deserves a boot unless you are the one forming the raid.
3. Do you not feel confident in your tanking? With that much health and shields there is really zero reason to need a second tank in the raid unless you cannot hold aggro. HRC is, again, the easiest trial to tank.
4. If you are trying to deal damage (which isn't a good idea on a tank), you need to parse how much DPS you are actually contributing with your shield in both an average pack pull, and on bosses. If you aren't breaking 12k then any damage you deal is far inferior to the damage you allow your teammates to deal by running support sets for your team's DPS. (Alkosh + Ebon Armory and other support tank sets are worth at least 2k DPS on each of your raid's DD members.)
5. The mere fact that you are trying to sneak into a vet raid as a DD on a blazingPlar tells me you are probably not much of a team player. Frankly, I'd boot an attitude like yours too and I expect a good number of other people would as well.

Go make your own raids and see how well you do. If you succeed, good. If you fail, then its on your head.

1, Yup done the normals successfully.
2, Nope, with a guild that ive done trials with before. Just not on this character.
3 Yup, after doing them on normal I was getting ready for the next challenge. I was ready to go for it but one or two groups members where already asking for a second tank which made me think I couldn't do it on my own. Thanks you for helping me to think otherwise.
4 dps inst my priority but I'm glad I can do some.
5 haven't tried it yet but feel I have no choice to do it at the mo.

Ive tried her in everyting except vet trials and maelstrom. But i want to try them. Thanks for that

finally something constructive.

idk · January 2017

@Jimbullbee85

vHRC is a solo tank trial unless doing HM. Have no idea what the second tank would do if nit running HM.

Further, there is no 4 man dungeon that compares to vet trials. Also, as inexpecf others have pointed out, trial tanks provide buffs and debuffs to boost group dps instead of trying to add to the dps directly.

I don't think you were in a pee brain group and the type of tank
You were running was irrelevant to the group composition. I think you will see this better after getting some experience with vet trials.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Ive tried her in everyting except vet trials and maelstrom. But i want to try them.

Then you need a pve build. No offense, but blazing templar is a pvp build made for trolling zerglings and doesnt have enough utility in pve.
Its the same as with pve builds that dont work very well in pvp.

driosketch · January 2017

If you do not understand the mechanics of a trial, why do you think they are the ones who don't understand? Vet trials are the last place you want to "test out" a build.

Since no one is really explained how HRC works, you also seem to be going off the wrong end talking about health and magic regen. A couple bosses will knock you on your rear if you aren't blocking, and so you need the be blocking most of the time. I've seen a tank in sturdy armor drained of stamina after two big hits from the vet Warrior end boss. Spear shards from Templar dps is what kept him up. You really need to go through normal first with a group willing to teach you.

timidobserver · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

hugocbp wrote: »

I've seen a BlazePlar that does fine in Vet Dungeons die like a fruit fly in NORMAL Hel Ra. I can't even imagine what a struggle it would be having a BlazePlar main tanking a Vet Trial.

Did you actually tanked the trial? Did it go well?

Nope I got kicked before they set off. I'd at least have liked to give it a go as a backup tank but the dogmatic/arrogant and "know it all" attitude of that group prevented me from doing it. I might have to resort to sneakilly change her role to dps to get a group just so I can try her out.

You aren't going to find any decent group that isn't going to kick a blazing shield tank out of vet trials. There is no need for two tanks on vet Helra.

Jamini · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

2, Nope, with a guild that ive done trials with before. Just not on this character.
3 Yup, after doing them on normal I was getting ready for the next challenge. I was ready to go for it but one or two groups members where already asking for a second tank which made me think I couldn't do it on my own. Thanks you for helping me to think otherwise.

Then you should ask your Trials guild to give it a go and stream it.

Pugging with something non-meta in difficult content is normally a non-starter. People are fairly close-minded as a general rule. Show them they are wrong through actions, not words.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Jimbullbee85

vHRC is a solo tank trial unless doing HM. Have no idea what the second tank would do if nit running HM.

Further, there is no 4 man dungeon that compares to vet trials. Also, as inexpecf others have pointed out, trial tanks provide buffs and debuffs to boost group dps instead of trying to add to the dps

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Ive tried her in everyting except vet trials and maelstrom. But i want to try them.

Then you need a pve build. No offense, but blazing templar is a pvp build made for trolling zerglings and doesnt have enough utility in pve.
Its the same as with pve builds that dont work very well in pvp.

Exactly my point. Players with narrow minds dictating the rules of the game with a dogmatic approach. The only pve I haven't tried yet are the vet trials and maelstrom. There are NO hard fast rules. It either works or it doesnt but because of players with your attitude i cant take the final test to find out. All im seeing so far in this thread are meat puppets with a narrow list of expectations.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

Jamini wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

2, Nope, with a guild that ive done trials with before. Just not on this character.
3 Yup, after doing them on normal I was getting ready for the next challenge. I was ready to go for it but one or two groups members where already asking for a second tank which made me think I couldn't do it on my own. Thanks you for helping me to think otherwise.

Then you should ask your Trials guild to give it a go and stream it.

Pugging with something non-meta in difficult content is normally a non-starter. People are fairly close-minded as a general rule. Show them they are wrong through actions, not words.

Yup I'll give that a go. Good advice.

o0Velius · January 2017

To be honest, I feel Templar tanks lack the group utlity that say a DK can give.
I had a Health build NB tank; solo tank vHRC once and he had about 50k health; lets just say that he died 1 shot from the last boss.. The boss hit's based on your HP. the more HP you have the harder he hits. so no matter the amount of health you have; you will still get 1 shoted if not blocking. vHRC does not need 2 tanks ( unless hardmode and even then not really)
I will say Blazplars are great for pvp; I run a tank for every class; however as I took all my tanks into end game content I will let you know that there is nothing that will out beat a dragonknight. Is it doable on other classes sure; will you provide the support and utility a DK can? Not really. You asking for a 2nd tank was a smart move; as more then likely youd be dead half the time because you more or less lack the resources to hold block the hole boss fight as well as spamming your shield.

Like I said; it's doable sure but is it the smartest move? Not really; and I'll tell you 90% of the end game population will take a DK over any class tanks. Same goes with healers. I have ran vHRC with a NB healer he was a great player but over all lacked what the team needed that a Templar healer could give. most end game players are looking for support as that is what a tank and healer are meant to do. Support the team. not just agro and call it good.

Also I have joined a last boss instance in vDSA as a tank because they had to kick their Templar tank for dying way to much; I came in and we beat boss first try. He was a Blazplar and he couldn't handle the 4 min bosses; on his build.

Sorry for the book.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Exactly my point. Players with narrow minds dictating the rules of the game with a dogmatic approach. The only pve I haven't tried yet are the vet trials and maelstrom. There are NO hard fast rules. It either works or it doesnt but because of players with your attitude i cant take the final test to find out. All im seeing so far in this thread are meat puppets with a narrow list of expectations.

Ok, but the thing is, your build is not going to work in veteran trials. Its not "elitist", its just common sense.
I've tanked vHel Ra and know how hard those bosses can hit. You can tank it on a templar, but you need something more balanced that blazing build.

KochDerDamonen · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Jimbullbee85

vHRC is a solo tank trial unless doing HM. Have no idea what the second tank would do if nit running HM.

Further, there is no 4 man dungeon that compares to vet trials. Also, as inexpecf others have pointed out, trial tanks provide buffs and debuffs to boost group dps instead of trying to add to the dps

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Ive tried her in everyting except vet trials and maelstrom. But i want to try them.

Then you need a pve build. No offense, but blazing templar is a pvp build made for trolling zerglings and doesnt have enough utility in pve.
Its the same as with pve builds that dont work very well in pvp.

Exactly my point. Players with narrow minds dictating the rules of the game with a dogmatic approach. The only pve I haven't tried yet are the vet trials and maelstrom. There are NO hard fast rules. It either works or it doesnt but because of players with your attitude i cant take the final test to find out. All im seeing so far in this thread are meat puppets with a narrow list of expectations.

Generally people don't want to blow a chunk of time seeing if someone's off meta build is worthwhile by just winging it into a run, this becomes exponentially harder when you need 11 other people.

Your best bets for your dream of running trials on your blazplar are 1)re-build to a utility focused tank for warhorn spam as meta DKs tend towards or 2)find 11 people willing to build a trial team around not having this utility provided by you.

You would do better to not treat people who see things from another view with such self-righteous judgement.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

driosketch wrote: »

If you do not understand the mechanics of a trial, why do you think they are the ones who don't understand? Vet trials are the last place you want to "test out" a build.

Since no one is really explained how HRC works, you also seem to be going off the wrong end talking about health and magic regen. A couple bosses will knock you on your rear if you aren't blocking, and so you need the be blocking most of the time. I've seen a tank in sturdy armor drained of stamina after two big hits from the vet Warrior end boss. Spear shards from Templar dps is what kept him up. You really need to go through normal first with a group willing to teach you.

Like I've said already. I've done it on normal. Vet is the last the last challenge for my build.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Exactly my point. Players with narrow minds dictating the rules of the game with a dogmatic approach. The only pve I haven't tried yet are the vet trials and maelstrom. There are NO hard fast rules. It either works or it doesnt but because of players with your attitude i cant take the final test to find out. All im seeing so far in this thread are meat puppets with a narrow list of expectations.

Ok, but the thing is, your build is not going to work in veteran trials. Its not "elitist", its just common sense.
I've tanked vHel Ra and know how hard those bosses can hit. You can tank it on a templar, but you need something more balanced that blazing build.

You're entitled to your opinion and you might be right but id like the opportunity to find out for myself if my build will work or not in VET trials.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

MrsVelius wrote: »

To be honest, I feel Templar tanks lack the group utlity that say a DK can give.
I had a Health build NB tank; solo tank vHRC once and he had about 50k health; lets just say that he died 1 shot from the last boss.. The boss hit's based on your HP. the more HP you have the harder he hits. so no matter the amount of health you have; you will still get 1 shoted if not blocking. vHRC does not need 2 tanks ( unless hardmode and even then not really)
I will say Blazplars are great for pvp; I run a tank for every class; however as I took all my tanks into end game content I will let you know that there is nothing that will out beat a dragonknight. Is it doable on other classes sure; will you provide the support and utility a DK can? Not really. You asking for a 2nd tank was a smart move; as more then likely youd be dead half the time because you more or less lack the resources to hold block the hole boss fight as well as spamming your shield.

Like I said; it's doable sure but is it the smartest move? Not really; and I'll tell you 90% of the end game population will take a DK over any class tanks. Same goes with healers. I have ran vHRC with a NB healer he was a great player but over all lacked what the team needed that a Templar healer could give. most end game players are looking for support as that is what a tank and healer are meant to do. Support the team. not just agro and call it good.

Also I have joined a last boss instance in vDSA as a tank because they had to kick their Templar tank for dying way to much; I came in and we beat boss first try. He was a Blazplar and he couldn't handle the 4 min bosses; on his build.

Sorry for the book.

Is it the smartest move? It's not like vet trials is the only thing I'm going to be doing on this game.

bitels · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion and you might be right but id like the opportunity to find out for myself if my build will work or not in VET trials.

Post video after u try it- i really would like to see how it goes

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion and you might be right but id like the opportunity to find out for myself if my build will work or not in VET trials.

Then you need to find a group that is willing to give you this opportunity.
Most of people who pug for pledges/weeklies expect to at least finish them and get their loot so its very selfish to think that your tests are more valuable than 11 people's time.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2017

I need to bookmark this thread as exhibit A for next time someone starts a thread about how mean PVPers are.

This is also why I do 4 mans solo, and only did a trial once. I ripped through it in my PVP build, changing exactly 1 skill, and had the group leader go from "you can't do that" to "wow, you did an amazing job."

It's a game. Give new stuff a try. If you fail. Oh no, you're gonna do it again tomorrow anyway.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Jimbullbee85

vHRC is a solo tank trial unless doing HM. Have no idea what the second tank would do if nit running HM.

Further, there is no 4 man dungeon that compares to vet trials. Also, as inexpecf others have pointed out, trial tanks provide buffs and debuffs to boost group dps instead of trying to add to the dps

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Ive tried her in everyting except vet trials and maelstrom. But i want to try them.

Then you need a pve build. No offense, but blazing templar is a pvp build made for trolling zerglings and doesnt have enough utility in pve.
Its the same as with pve builds that dont work very well in pvp.

Exactly my point. Players with narrow minds dictating the rules of the game with a dogmatic approach. The only pve I haven't tried yet are the vet trials and maelstrom. There are NO hard fast rules. It either works or it doesnt but because of players with your attitude i cant take the final test to find out. All im seeing so far in this thread are meat puppets with a narrow list of expectations.

Generally people don't want to blow a chunk of time seeing if someone's off meta build is worthwhile by just winging it into a run, this becomes exponentially harder when you need 11 other people.

Your best bets for your dream of running trials on your blazplar are 1)re-build to a utility focused tank for warhorn spam as meta DKs tend towards or 2)find 11 people willing to build a trial team around not having this utility provided by you.

You would do better to not treat people who see things from another view with such self-righteous judgement.

Yup I totally agree with you. I use warhorn as my ultimate and also buff the groups magicka recovery with radiant aura (I think that's the right one). I need to maximise rec hence the aura ability and mainly use warhorn because it buffs my health. The more health I've got the stronger my shields and the more damage they return.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Jimbullbee85

vHRC is a solo tank trial unless doing HM. Have no idea what the second tank would do if nit running HM.

Further, there is no 4 man dungeon that compares to vet trials. Also, as inexpecf others have pointed out, trial tanks provide buffs and debuffs to boost group dps instead of trying to add to the dps

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Ive tried her in everyting except vet trials and maelstrom. But i want to try them.

Then you need a pve build. No offense, but blazing templar is a pvp build made for trolling zerglings and doesnt have enough utility in pve.
Its the same as with pve builds that dont work very well in pvp.

Exactly my point. Players with narrow minds dictating the rules of the game with a dogmatic approach. The only pve I haven't tried yet are the vet trials and maelstrom. There are NO hard fast rules. It either works or it doesnt but because of players with your attitude i cant take the final test to find out. All im seeing so far in this thread are meat puppets with a narrow list of expectations.

Generally people don't want to blow a chunk of time seeing if someone's off meta build is worthwhile by just winging it into a run, this becomes exponentially harder when you need 11 other people.

Your best bets for your dream of running trials on your blazplar are 1)re-build to a utility focused tank for warhorn spam as meta DKs tend towards or 2)find 11 people willing to build a trial team around not having this utility provided by you.

You would do better to not treat people who see things from another view with such self-righteous judgement.

Yup I totally agree with you. I use warhorn as my ultimate and also buff the groups magicka recovery with radiant aura (I think that's the right one). I need to maximise rec hence the aura ability and mainly use warhorn because it buffs my health. The more health I've got the stronger my shields and the more damage they return.

Radiant aura doesnt stack with potion regen (its the same buff). And most of people in trials are chain-chugging pots to get these major spell/weapon dmg buffs...
Also your shield wont return any damage if you're dead. And dead tank in trials often means wipe.

socivL · January 2017

there's so much negativity in here -
goys! GOYS!
it's currently the new year!
lots of really good / positive energy is flowing through the universe. it's a great time to be alive.
channel that positive, growing energy and feel great.
i'm feeling super great - isn't life great?

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

socivL wrote: »

there's so much negativity in here -
goys! GOYS!
it's currently the new year!
lots of really good / positive energy is flowing through the universe. it's a great time to be a live.
channel that positive, growing energy and feel great.
i'm feeling super great - isn't life great.

Can't argue with that

KochDerDamonen · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Jimbullbee85

vHRC is a solo tank trial unless doing HM. Have no idea what the second tank would do if nit running HM.

Further, there is no 4 man dungeon that compares to vet trials. Also, as inexpecf others have pointed out, trial tanks provide buffs and debuffs to boost group dps instead of trying to add to the dps

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Ive tried her in everyting except vet trials and maelstrom. But i want to try them.

Then you need a pve build. No offense, but blazing templar is a pvp build made for trolling zerglings and doesnt have enough utility in pve.
Its the same as with pve builds that dont work very well in pvp.

Exactly my point. Players with narrow minds dictating the rules of the game with a dogmatic approach. The only pve I haven't tried yet are the vet trials and maelstrom. There are NO hard fast rules. It either works or it doesnt but because of players with your attitude i cant take the final test to find out. All im seeing so far in this thread are meat puppets with a narrow list of expectations.

Generally people don't want to blow a chunk of time seeing if someone's off meta build is worthwhile by just winging it into a run, this becomes exponentially harder when you need 11 other people.

Your best bets for your dream of running trials on your blazplar are 1)re-build to a utility focused tank for warhorn spam as meta DKs tend towards or 2)find 11 people willing to build a trial team around not having this utility provided by you.

You would do better to not treat people who see things from another view with such self-righteous judgement.

Yup I totally agree with you. I use warhorn as my ultimate and also buff the groups magicka recovery with radiant aura (I think that's the right one). I need to maximise rec hence the aura ability and mainly use warhorn because it buffs my health. The more health I've got the stronger my shields and the more damage they return.

I figured you would be using Warhorn, though what I refer to is the current standard issue DK build involving Tava's Favor that is basically stacked up to be the only one that has to run Warhorn in the group for huge up-time. The ability to do this while remaining hugely tanky and self-sustaining due to their passive that recovers resources on ult makes them popular to the point of almost completely removing other options from the table.

Reverb · January 2017

Regardless of class, stacked-health builds are just not well rounded and don't bring group utility to the table. You will be more than good enough for any format and content, and any regular trial, sure.

But any 70k (or 40k and up, really) health tank is going to get grilled about his build for vet trials, and there is a single digit likelihood that it will be deemed "good enough" by a competitive group.

AhPook_Is_Here · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

hugocbp wrote: »

I've seen a BlazePlar that does fine in Vet Dungeons die like a fruit fly in NORMAL Hel Ra. I can't even imagine what a struggle it would be having a BlazePlar main tanking a Vet Trial.

Did you actually tanked the trial? Did it go well?

Nope I got kicked before they set off. I'd at least have liked to give it a go as a backup tank but the dogmatic/arrogant and "know it all" attitude of that group prevented me from doing it. I might have to resort to sneakilly change her role to dps to get a group just so I can try her out.

It's not that groups favor dps, they just want to do it fast, and you only need 1 tank for that trial. Even at the split, only one sub boss needs a tank, the caster is a dps race. You can do fine as a BS tank in that trial, there are mechanics you will have to observe in the fights but you can learn everything you need to as a tank from some youtube video. Most of the mechanics just entail knowing when to block and keeping your health above 30% on the last boss. Grouping trash and holding argo is your main priority.

DPS isn't a critical priority on normal, but on HM you do need good dps to avoid some annoying mechanics.

idk · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Jimbullbee85

vHRC is a solo tank trial unless doing HM. Have no idea what the second tank would do if nit running HM.

Further, there is no 4 man dungeon that compares to vet trials. Also, as inexpecf others have pointed out, trial tanks provide buffs and debuffs to boost group dps instead of trying to add to the dps

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Ive tried her in everyting except vet trials and maelstrom. But i want to try them.

Then you need a pve build. No offense, but blazing templar is a pvp build made for trolling zerglings and doesnt have enough utility in pve.
Its the same as with pve builds that dont work very well in pvp.

Exactly my point. Players with narrow minds dictating the rules of the game with a dogmatic approach. The only pve I haven't tried yet are the vet trials and maelstrom. There are NO hard fast rules. It either works or it doesnt but because of players with your attitude i cant take the final test to find out. All im seeing so far in this thread are meat puppets with a narrow list of expectations.

Lol. You come offf wanting a second tank in vHRC only shows that your not familiar with the content. What you consider good dps with your blazing shield build is probably not even half what the average in that group was pulling so it's not like wddthe ng another dps.

My guess is they will not have you tank for them again because of you trying to tell them how to do something you know little about. Seriously, 2 tanks in vHRC normal is

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Jimbullbee85

vHRC is a solo tank trial unless doing HM. Have no idea what the second tank would do if nit running HM.

Further, there is no 4 man dungeon that compares to vet trials. Also, as inexpecf others have pointed out, trial tanks provide buffs and debuffs to boost group dps instead of trying to add to the dps

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Ive tried her in everyting except vet trials and maelstrom. But i want to try them.

Then you need a pve build. No offense, but blazing templar is a pvp build made for trolling zerglings and doesnt have enough utility in pve.
Its the same as with pve builds that dont work very well in pvp.

Exactly my point. Players with narrow minds dictating the rules of the game with a dogmatic approach. The only pve I haven't tried yet are the vet trials and maelstrom. There are NO hard fast rules. It either works or it doesnt but because of players with your attitude i cant take the final test to find out. All im seeing so far in this thread are meat puppets with a narrow list of expectations.

You says you'll tank for them but want a second tank for a run requiring only one tank.

You then proceeded to talk your way out of the group.

Now you call us meatbags and whatever else.

Anyone see a patern here?

Saint_Bud · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Saint_Bud wrote: »

With so much health you miss a lot of other recurces. You dont need so much health in pve that blazingshild is good. 30-35 are fine. Pvers want support, a plazplar cant really do this in a trial.

I've taken that into account. Ive got 78K health with Green pact and plague doctors infused armour. I run plague doctors jewelary all with magicka regen kutas. I also use radiant aura to buff my recovery and have food that boosts my health and mag recovery. She's got almost 2800 mag regen fully buffed and has never run out to the point where I can use stamina pots in order to maintain aggro. All I was asking was the chance to test her out but as usual in this game there is an elitist atmosphere created by "know it alls" who think they know the ins and outs of a build merely from its class, role and race.

Thats the point, you have so much health that your stam is very low. In vhelra you have to tank multiple adds and this will burn your stam fast with no block coast reduktion. Your dps will not help, because its hard to hold the agro and spoot them with pirced armoar that coast stam. And dd will die or lose dps when they have agro.

Takes-No-Prisoner · January 2017

Brrrofski wrote: »

I hate that bubble tanks are a thing. Nothing personal, but it's the least skilled playstyle I've ever seen in any game I think. Stack health, stack magica regen, put down your rune, shield, shield, shield, shield, bat swarm.

Really irritates me when they run around PvP acting like they're good. A 4 year old could run that build and do well.

I made one of these types of builds recently and put it to science! in normal dungeons--but mainly in PvP. With a good group behind you, you can be pretty tanky. They have good uses in pushing the enemy back when they are in open field Cyrodiil. Which may not seem important, but I have used my tank to push reds off of the bridge. They get so focused on DPSing me that yellows behind me can hide behind my meat shield and give them room to not be DPS'ed down themselves. So I don't think they're completely brainless, but I definitely see your point of view.

I would like to refine his build for more group play though. Same goes for my DK tank.

Brrrofski · January 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

I hate that bubble tanks are a thing. Nothing personal, but it's the least skilled playstyle I've ever seen in any game I think. Stack health, stack magica regen, put down your rune, shield, shield, shield, shield, bat swarm.

Really irritates me when they run around PvP acting like they're good. A 4 year old could run that build and do well.

I made one of these types of builds recently and put it to science! in normal dungeons--but mainly in PvP. With a good group behind you, you can be pretty tanky. They have good uses in pushing the enemy back when they are in open field Cyrodiil. Which may not seem important, but I have used my tank to push reds off of the bridge. They get so focused on DPSing me that yellows behind me can hide behind my meat shield and give them room to not be DPS'ed down themselves. So I don't think they're completely brainless, but I definitely see your point of view.

I would like to refine his build for more group play though. Same goes for my DK tank.

Anyone with half a brain ignores a blazing shield build. Say it all about a build if you can only kill morons with it.

Joy_Division · January 2017

How exactly would you "back up" tank?

Does that mean wait for the actual tank to die and then step in to fulfill the role? It would be a lot more efficient for you to DPS and take the few seconds to actually rez the tank. The only time a "back up" tank maybe needed in Hel Ra is if your group was going to do hard mode, but if they are looking for a tank, that isn't happening.

Trials tanking is night and day compared to dungeon tanking. Dungeons don't require tanks, they require someone to press taunt and hold down block every now and then. That's a huge difference. If you bring a PvP build and try to tank the Warrior, you are going to get Rekt and just wind up wasting people's time. I've seen the happen time after time. Also, efficient trial tanking is not about adding a few thousand DPS, it's about contributing to the group. You may think the 20K blazing shield is helping, but there aren't Warhorns going out and you are monopolizing the healer's time and resources constantly having to upkeep a tank that tries to deal damage.

AhPook_Is_Here · January 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

How exactly would you "back up" tank?

Does that mean wait for the actual tank to die and then step in to fulfill the role? It would be a lot more efficient for you to DPS and take the few seconds to actually rez the tank. The only time a "back up" tank maybe needed in Hel Ra is if your group was going to do hard mode, but if they are looking for a tank, that isn't happening.

No, it means dual taunting the first boss to build up taunt immunity before the whirlwind while keeping your dps in tight at the archway.

Koensol · January 2017

souravami wrote: »

So you can hold aggro, deal damage and survive with your blazing tank. Right?
What do you bring in form of group support with your 78k health tank? Nothing. In end game pve tank's main role is to hold taunt and bring huge amount of group utility. Templar or Nb tanks lack that group utility, that's why 99% of end game tanks are dk.

I wouldn't say a templar tank brings no group utility. Let me sum up what a templar tank brings to a group:
- Ability to heal both themselves and group members for a considerable amount when needed. I have saved my group more than once with this.
- Ability to put both minor+major fracture and minor+major breach on a target. Only class able to do this.
- Providing minor sorcery to the group.
- Providing group members an extra opportunity to cleanse themselves.
- AoE damage reduction on multiple ultimates. Of course you will be using mostly war horn, but a well placed Nova can still help a lot.

I wouldn't say that is bad in terms of group utility. Aside from generally being very tanky, you provide nice bonusses to dps, while also being able to heal and add to the groups survivability. And when they have a ton of mobs on them, they can also deal ok damage for a tank with blazing shield (if they have the health).