Eye of the Storm discussion.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · January 2017

Personally I think Eye of the Storm is too strong in Cyrodil. Not only in terms of damage, but in terms of radius. And that's why I feel that Eye of the Storm should have a trade-off. The radius should be reduced as the trade-off of having it be able to move with you. Eye of the Storm completely overshadows the other morph due to the fact that it has no trade-off.

The other consideration is lowering the duration by 2 seconds.

Tempah · January 2017

I use the other morph since I am to lazy to change it when I also do lots of pve.
And I am actually shocked how many people just stand in it when they can just walk out of it.
And the other morph gives you extra's for the staff you use like 2s more duration for lightning staffs and 10% extra dmg for the fire ons.

But I agree that the radius is quite big and you have no where to run when you are fighting in a house in IC.

Domander · January 2017

Maybe that morph should no longer be considered a ground aoe.

Edziu · January 2017

yeah, just to compare, if someone use vamp ulti I as glass cannon ganger can stand in this healing with vigor until this expire, in destro ult need to run fast because of 6-9k ticks + getting gap closers spammed with snare ofc, just get those 2-3 ticks from destro ult and die while in bat swamr I dont need to move out to survive

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · January 2017

Edziu wrote: »

yeah, just to compare, if someone use vamp ulti I as glass cannon ganger can stand in this healing with vigor until this expire, in destro ult need to run fast because of 6-9k ticks + getting gap closers spammed with snare ofc, just get those 2-3 ticks from destro ult and die while in bat swamr I dont need to move out to survive

Honestly the bat swarm never really did impressive damage personally. It's value is the life steal.

Edziu · January 2017

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

yeah, just to compare, if someone use vamp ulti I as glass cannon ganger can stand in this healing with vigor until this expire, in destro ult need to run fast because of 6-9k ticks + getting gap closers spammed with snare ofc, just get those 2-3 ticks from destro ult and die while in bat swamr I dont need to move out to survive

Honestly the bat swarm never really did impressive damage personally. It's value is the life steal.

but how about this 2nd morph? maybe you are invisible but still can tak damage from aoe and cc from aoe and damage from this ult is stel pathetic in compare to destro ult

Sugaroverdose · January 2017

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Personally I think Eye of the Storm is too strong in Cyrodil. Not only in terms of damage, but in terms of radius. And that's why I feel that Eye of the Storm should have a trade-off. The radius should be reduced as the trade-off of having it be able to move with you. Eye of the Storm completely overshadows the other morph due to the fact that it has no trade-off.

The other consideration is lowering the duration by 2 seconds.

It's damage is also superior, range mostly will not make huge difference vs 1 player he'll be spammed by gap-closers.

From my PoV nerf should looks like:
Elemental Storm - damage reduced by 25%, radius reduced to 8m
Elemental Rage - morph effect - increases radius to 10m and those thing about additional effect from staff type what already here
Eye of Element - morph effect - stick to character, cost reduced to 200 ultimate , other stats nested from elemental storm

Dracane · January 2017

And elemental storm is way more expensive than bat swarm.
It's balanced as it is.

Edziu · January 2017

Dracane wrote: »

And elemental storm is way more expensive than bat swarm.
It's balanced as it is.

yep very balanced, eye of lame, 250 ulti cost, 7 sec duration so around 36 ult per tick for 6-9k aoe unblockable hit
incap strike, 50 ulti cost 8k-10k damage with some debuffs but still only single target, blockable, dodgeable etc,. debuffs to purify

Dracane · January 2017

Edziu wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

And elemental storm is way more expensive than bat swarm.
It's balanced as it is.

yep very balanced, eye of lame, 250 ulti cost, 7 sec duration so around 36 ult per tick for 6-9k aoe unblockable hit
incap strike, 50 ulti cost 8k-10k damage with some debuffs but still only single target, blockable, dodgeable etc,. debuffs to purify

Yep and incap comes unexpected and doesn't require a specific weapon and it has a CC and many OP debuffs.
Elemental storm only deals damage, is super expensive and has no significant debuffs or CCs. So please, stop whining.

Edziu · January 2017

Dracane wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

And elemental storm is way more expensive than bat swarm.
It's balanced as it is.

yep very balanced, eye of lame, 250 ulti cost, 7 sec duration so around 36 ult per tick for 6-9k aoe unblockable hit
incap strike, 50 ulti cost 8k-10k damage with some debuffs but still only single target, blockable, dodgeable etc,. debuffs to purify

Yep and incap comes unexpected and doesn't require a specific weapon and it has a CC and many OP debuffs.
Elemental storm only deals damage, is super expensive and has no significant debuffs or CCs. So please, stop whining.

mhm, my incap is getting 50% miss because of shuffle on most players and this is no problem to see it is comming and its obvious if you are fight with nb you know he can always use it so you are expecting to get hit by this.

also I have no problem to just dodge these incap strikes, before hit land on you you can hear voice from this to fast block or dodge it

with destro ult you cant know how fast enemy can use it + as I wrote before, gap close spamed (every gap close have snare ofc), stunned inside itp, try to run from this crap, in mostly those ults I had no any chance to run from this while from ult like incap strike I have no problem to dodge/block most of them or just fast break free and heal it if it hit me, incap is just single burst hit while destro ult is as DOT + can deal damage from other skills in same time to rekt someone

Sandman929 · January 2017

Eye of the Storm is in no way balanced. People talk about ultimate cost as though it's some incredibly difficult hurdle to overcome and therefore ridiculous, unblockable high damage is somehow warranted.
Fight at a breach for 20 seconds and your ultimate, no matter it's cost, is generated. The return for the investment is incredibly high with EotS and unlike the cheaper ultimates people keep comparing it to, EotS can hit dozens of players with 7 second duration and gap closer spamming for huge damage spikes that can't be avoided (I think the "move out of it" argument has been thoroughly debunked by now).

DHale · January 2017

They nerfed it in the next parch congrats... or get out of it.

Sandman929 · January 2017

DHale wrote: »

They nerfed it in the next parch congrats... or get out of it.

You can't possibly be serious calling that little damage reduction a "nerf".

Bashev · January 2017

Make the skill blockable and the problem will be solved.

Dracane · January 2017

Nobody I have ever encountered has problems healing through this and one roll dodge and the person will already miss 1 or 2 ticks and I am a Sorc, I can streak. And they still avoid it just fine. Well.... streak is just a sorry excuse of a gap closer, so can't comment on how good real gap closers work with this ult.

But it needs no nerfs. The only ones who seem to die easily, are medium armor dodge monkeys. But that's the price you pay when you roll a high damage medium armor build.

Nutshotz · January 2017

Tbh I see no issues with the destro ult. If you're dumb enough to stand in it and than come to the forums and complain about it well, idk what to say.

Most people I should say that drop the destro ult get spambushed or focused instantly.

Now what I have an issue with is stam users using the destro ult.

I've ran across so many stam sorcs that are using it and I can't help but lawl! If zos changed the ult to scale off of Max magicka you wouldn't see all theset stam builds running it than.

Been a long time that mag users got a good skill vs stam users and from what I've learned and experienced I've seen more stam users cry about that skill than anyone.

So this is what I think should be done

destro ult scales off of Max magicka- preventing the influx of stam users in large zerg using it

Can't remember the radius. So if it's at 12, bring it to 10m. Not and I repeat not 8!

The dmg from it is fine. It's your own fault u stand in it. Yes we know well lag has the issue in part of it and or snares. Well yes and there are groups I've wiped that just stand in it. [Like omg what do I do] i do understand it hard to fan out but I mean inferno big flame/ lightning same thing but lightning coming down. Not hard to miss.

It's a very expensive ult vs a lot of other ults atm.

So if they decrease the ult cost than decrease the radius.

This is my own opinion for pvp wise and I'll defend this ult as much as possible.

Just like the new kids on the block wearing viper/vele/clever that think they're good when 90% of the dmg is gear. [Just saying]

Sandman929 · January 2017

Dracane wrote: »

Nobody I have ever encountered has problems healing through this and one roll dodge and the person will already miss 1 or 2 ticks and I am a Sorc, I can streak. And they still avoid it just fine. Well.... streak is just a sorry excuse of a gap closer, so can't comment on how good real gap closers work with this ult.

But it needs no nerfs. The only ones who seem to die easily, are medium armor dodge monkeys. But that's the price you pay when you roll a high damage medium armor build.

One on one, it's not a problem at all. AvA it's the conclusion to most fights...several EotS's and the side that wins is the side that pops the most of them.

Sandman929 · January 2017

I main a Magicka Sorc, and even though it's not quite as powerful as it is on a magicka nightblade spamming sap, it's still ridiculous. There's no "get out of it" while there are soft CCs. It's sad to see so many magicka players hugging their new toy when it's just as bad, if not worse, than the stacked stam proc sets.

Koolio · January 2017

I don't think it overshadows elemental rage. Especially with an ice staff. A friend and I always keep ours for zergs pushing towards us. We stop 30-40 man zergs on the bridge regularly. One throws at the foot of the bridge the other closer to the hallway. Talk about lag as 30 people all immobilized scramble to stay alive with a blizzard larger than anyone can dodge roll in any direction. Add a few streaks in there and it hilarious. Too bad they are changing the Ice staff to a tank weapon.

Nutshotz · January 2017

That's the thing. 1v1 it's nothing. 1vx it's a different story. Skilled players can wipe zergs solo with the destro ult. It's not that it's to powerful it the mere fact not many people pay attention to there surrounding and are focused on a target. Kinda like tunnel vision.

Ok I'm not naming or shaming. I'm just using as an example. Look at k-hole, invictus, havoc, VE, hagnado [sorry I'm sure Im spelling some wrong] all organized groups. Now let's say if I went and destro ult them I'd get focused instantly or if I caught them off guard. Their healers would out heal my dmg and so forth [ hint hint @Sandman929 ]

Sandman929 · January 2017

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

That's the thing. 1v1 it's nothing. 1vx it's a different story. Skilled players can wipe zergs solo with the destro ult. It's not that it's to powerful it the mere fact not many people pay attention to there surrounding and are focused on a target. Kinda like tunnel vision.

Ok I'm not naming or shaming. I'm just using as an example. Look at k-hole, invictus, havoc, VE, hagnado [sorry I'm sure Im spelling some wrong] all organized groups. Now let's say if I went and destro ult them I'd get focused instantly or if I caught them off guard. Their healers would out heal my dmg and so forth [ hint hint @Sandman929 ]

I know there's ways to deal with it, and in group play we run more healers now specifically for dealing with this ultimate. There's ways to deal with just about everything that comes out, but that doesn't mean that every change in the game is balanced just because it can be dealt with. EotS is simplistic, high damage with no skill behind it, just like proc damage sets. It's not different just because it's magicka and it's not different just because magicka classes felt they were due.
Factor in lag, and the fact that the ultimate is often invisible and it's even worse.

Sugaroverdose · January 2017

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

Tbh I see no issues with the destro ult. If you're dumb enough to stand in it and than come to the forums and complain about it well, idk what to say.

Most people I should say that drop the destro ult get spambushed or focused instantly.

Now what I have an issue with is stam users using the destro ult.

I've ran across so many stam sorcs that are using it and I can't help but lawl! If zos changed the ult to scale off of Max magicka you wouldn't see all theset stam builds running it than.

Been a long time that mag users got a good skill vs stam users and from what I've learned and experienced I've seen more stam users cry about that skill than anyone.

So this is what I think should be done

destro ult scales off of Max magicka- preventing the influx of stam users in large zerg using it

Can't remember the radius. So if it's at 12, bring it to 10m. Not and I repeat not 8!

The dmg from it is fine. It's your own fault u stand in it. Yes we know well lag has the issue in part of it and or snares. Well yes and there are groups I've wiped that just stand in it. [Like omg what do I do] i do understand it hard to fan out but I mean inferno big flame/ lightning same thing but lightning coming down. Not hard to miss.

It's a very expensive ult vs a lot of other ults atm.

So if they decrease the ult cost than decrease the radius.

This is my own opinion for pvp wise and I'll defend this ult as much as possible.

Just like the new kids on the block wearing viper/vele/clever that think they're good when 90% of the dmg is gear. [Just saying]

1. It's 10m radius, reduction to 8 meters still huge in comparison to most ultimates
2. I don't stand in it, it's following me or spam gap-closer, mostly teleport-strike so i cannot get out and rooting caster doesn't make difference, you know, teleport-strike ignores roots
3. Getting 20k in 3 seconds in HA isn't fine, with PTS lightning staff buff, dmg even bigger than on live

This ultimate is just cancer on Cyrodiil face, and i'm saying it as someone who don't have stam characters at all and start ESO only to PvP (or grind things required for it)

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2017

We could fix this whole issue by using the old pts damage model for EotS but hey lets continue this destro train pvp for a couple more months before it gets old and we actually have counter play.

Master_Kas · January 2017

Bashev wrote: »

Make the skill blockable and the problem will be solved.

Yeah because those armies of tanks permablocking and healing need even less counters to them.

The main reason I love this ult is because it ignores block for exactly those kind of builds.

Sugaroverdose · January 2017

Master_Kas wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Make the skill blockable and the problem will be solved.

Yeah because those armies of tanks permablocking and healing need even less counters to them.

The main reason I love this ult is because it ignores block for exactly those kind of builds.

It's same way effective killing non-permablock builds, so you statement is wrong.

pieratsos · January 2017

Dracane wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

And elemental storm is way more expensive than bat swarm.
It's balanced as it is.

yep very balanced, eye of lame, 250 ulti cost, 7 sec duration so around 36 ult per tick for 6-9k aoe unblockable hit
incap strike, 50 ulti cost 8k-10k damage with some debuffs but still only single target, blockable, dodgeable etc,. debuffs to purify

Yep and incap comes unexpected and doesn't require a specific weapon and it has a CC and many OP debuffs.
Elemental storm only deals damage, is super expensive and has no significant debuffs or CCs. So please, stop whining.

Yep. Elemental storm is super expensive and only deals dmg. In that aspect its indeed balanced. That doesnt make it any less OP. If the cost was 500 and it did 15k ticks it would still be balanced for the cost. That doesnt mean that 15k dmg ticks isnt broken af. The only ways to balance it is to either reduce the cost and the dmg or reduce the dmg and add some bonus effects.

Jaronking · January 2017

DHale wrote: »

They nerfed it in the next parch congrats... or get out of it.

You realized they really didn't nerf it since they change one of the destro staff passives so it will deal even more damage next patch.

Minalan · January 2017

Bashev wrote: »

Make the skill blockable and the problem will be solved.

No. Scotch taping down the block button on your mouse is "counter play" to just about everything in the game. Not this too... just no.

Edit: make it last longer, and do less damage per tick.

Sugaroverdose · January 2017

Minalan wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Make the skill blockable and the problem will be solved.

No. Scotch taping down the block button on your mouse is "counter play" to just about everything in the game. Not this too... just no.

Edit: make it last longer, and do less damage per tick.

Yeah, lets make instagib from cyrodiil without any counterplay:
1. highlight
2. press "attack"
3. those who was first wins

Minalan · January 2017

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Make the skill blockable and the problem will be solved.

No. Scotch taping down the block button on your mouse is "counter play" to just about everything in the game. Not this too... just no.

Edit: make it last longer, and do less damage per tick.

Yeah, lets make instagib from cyrodiil without any counterplay:
1. highlight
2. press "attack"
3. those who was first wins

That's pretty much already the heart stamina nightblade game play. Three buttons. Dead.