Is the game being designed to force people to use the Crown Store?

Reykice · January 2017

Yes.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The TG assistant is locked behind dlc
It doesn't matter IF the assistant is used or desired.

Literally it can only be accessed IF you sub or buy crowns.

So therefore in terms of the context of this thread and the OP and the person you tagged.

The poll response is YES because you are "forced" to buy crowns or sub to get access to the dlc which contains the added assistant.

Okay, so, there's two separate questions wandering through all of this:

Does the game require you to spend real money in order to access premium content that is not part of the base game?

Does the game force you to spend real money?

On the first question... yeah, kinda. I mean, that's how DLC works. Of course, at the same time, notice how many people were actually upset when the last wave of new stuff was available to everyone, and not a DLC.

At the same time, it is entirely possible for free players to gain access to some DLC content, like crafted sets, if they're aided by someone who is a subscriber or owns the DLC. And, again, it feels like the complaints on this front are cherry picked because, there have been updates and new features that are available to non-subscribers. Not everything goes into a system that is cash gated.

Does the game force you to do so? And, before you protest this, that is implied in the original question. With housing, that's a no. With One Tamriel... no. With some DLC sets? No. It's more convenient, but it isn't mandatory. Now if you want the BoP sets from a DLC zone, then you'd need to go in there yourself. Ironically, even this isn't an automatic statement. If you're after a DLC monster helm you can (theoretically) wait for The Golden to carry it, and buy it for free.

If you simply want to know if you have to pay money to access paid content, then yes. But, at that point the original question becomes seriously misleading. So, no, you're not forced to do anything on this subject. Enticed? Sure. Look at all these goodies you get. But you're not forced.

@starkerealm

Im reading all these comments and so many after the first page have jumped off onto their own ideas.

Just read the OP. It's not two questions.
Itsone simple question that is responded to as yes or no.

"Added features" is the context. And they even give examples which when looking at where and how to obtain "added features" it does require you to buy or sub and both result in crowns.

The answer is always yes because no one can access any "added features" without paying for a sub or buying crowns. The crown store is if someone decides not to sub but wants acces to added features. Some added features aren't accessible without a sub.

So if anyone is playing the vanilla game minus some of the base game added features which are locked behind a sub or dlc, it's no.

It's really that simple. Don't confuse the question because you can't get it otherwise.

Now as time passes u may be able to access some items but that's not the topic. It's features.

I think i made the question too complicated because i doubt they are all unsubbed and with no DLC.

They just don't get what you explained... but some are sure ready to fight over something they do not understand. :-)

there is a difference between understanding and agreeing.

do i understand the op? yes.

do i agree with it (or the convoluted 'explanations' since)? no.

Sure it can be that. I take it you did not sub or buy Crowns yet?

Or if you did it was purely to support the game not because you wanted to have access to something thus being forced to buy it.

Anyway somebody should make a better poll.

Solid_Metal · January 2017

No.

Reykice wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

DM_ESO wrote: »

How is a house hard to get? I made enough for the first tier of house in one session the other day and I wasn't even trying. If I make even a tiny effort to play every day, even casually, I'll have enough to get a big house, or several smaller ones before homestead even comes out.

The bigger houses are long term goals to work towards, and the really big ones are meant for guilds to purchase together.

people like OP and that agree with this thread is very spoiled, they want everything easy, then complain of the lack unique item, or challange, or gold sink or whatever really

when they not patient/can't afford the things that not means for "normal" players, they will buy it from crown store and claim "ZoS is trapping playerzzzz, force us to buy from crown store!!!, hur dur~ "

i seriously pissed of people like this, we all hate ZoS gut, but give them credit when they deserve it, this housing pricing is perfect and extremely fair for what they are

You just made up some *** said its me then said you hate it... stop posting on drugs. Also its a debate, its impersonal, only the uneducated think this is some kind of them vs anyone.

That said i have enough for 1 manor not sure i care enough about it to buy... but i do worry about the game so i made a poll to see if others feel the Crown Store is the priority now and not the game.

So debate that stop having fantasies about me...

"So here is my logic: everything they add now is so hard to get in the game... like the new XP Potion or Houses or Furniture... that unless you are one of the most hardcore players you will most likely not get it."

probably not you that i hate, but certaintly your logic that want everything easy in the game

Grinding does not make it hard, just boring.

Hard is stuff like VMA and it was good content.

But if i say go make 25 mil is it hard? No... just tedious and really boring.

then dont do it, thats the whole point

you don't need to buy the manor or large house like you need it, just buy the small/medium house which is very affordable for most people

like i said before, the most expensive houses is supposedly to be an "Achivement"/gold sink for those people who bother themself farming and actually bother themself to sell those matts and probably as far as learning and "exploit" the economy if they care about housing

you want the expensive house?, then working on it, its like theres no restriction like how archage handle their farming system, you can go grind 24 hours without worrying about Labor point

whats the point of it if everyone can just buy manor with little to no effort?

don't tell me you can't afford small houses

starkerealm · January 2017

No.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.

If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.

So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?

Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?

Can you show me the house that costs 25 million?

Or are you suggesting that you have to buy all the houses?

I would suggest that if you want a home you only really need one! So choose wisely, you can preview them all before buying, then if you don't have money for the house you have something to work towards, there is no rush!

I haven't crunched the numbers, but I suspect the 25 million figure is to buy all of the houses with gold. Even then, that sounds a little low, since there's 3 that cost 3.3m each, and then another 7 to 9 that are between 1 and 1.2 each. Which should put you very close to the 25m figure before you even consider the cheap (under 100k) houses.

starkerealm · January 2017

No.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The TG assistant is locked behind dlc
It doesn't matter IF the assistant is used or desired.

Literally it can only be accessed IF you sub or buy crowns.

So therefore in terms of the context of this thread and the OP and the person you tagged.

The poll response is YES because you are "forced" to buy crowns or sub to get access to the dlc which contains the added assistant.

Okay, so, there's two separate questions wandering through all of this:

Does the game require you to spend real money in order to access premium content that is not part of the base game?

Does the game force you to spend real money?

On the first question... yeah, kinda. I mean, that's how DLC works. Of course, at the same time, notice how many people were actually upset when the last wave of new stuff was available to everyone, and not a DLC.

At the same time, it is entirely possible for free players to gain access to some DLC content, like crafted sets, if they're aided by someone who is a subscriber or owns the DLC. And, again, it feels like the complaints on this front are cherry picked because, there have been updates and new features that are available to non-subscribers. Not everything goes into a system that is cash gated.

Does the game force you to do so? And, before you protest this, that is implied in the original question. With housing, that's a no. With One Tamriel... no. With some DLC sets? No. It's more convenient, but it isn't mandatory. Now if you want the BoP sets from a DLC zone, then you'd need to go in there yourself. Ironically, even this isn't an automatic statement. If you're after a DLC monster helm you can (theoretically) wait for The Golden to carry it, and buy it for free.

If you simply want to know if you have to pay money to access paid content, then yes. But, at that point the original question becomes seriously misleading. So, no, you're not forced to do anything on this subject. Enticed? Sure. Look at all these goodies you get. But you're not forced.

@starkerealm

Im reading all these comments and so many after the first page have jumped off onto their own ideas.

Just read the OP. It's not two questions.
Itsone simple question that is responded to as yes or no.

"Added features" is the context. And they even give examples which when looking at where and how to obtain "added features" it does require you to buy or sub and both result in crowns.

The answer is always yes because no one can access any "added features" without paying for a sub or buying crowns. The crown store is if someone decides not to sub but wants acces to added features. Some added features aren't accessible without a sub.

So if anyone is playing the vanilla game minus some of the base game added features which are locked behind a sub or dlc, it's no.

It's really that simple. Don't confuse the question because you can't get it otherwise.

Now as time passes u may be able to access some items but that's not the topic. It's features.

Then, you're mistaken and the answer is, in fact, "no," as there have been free features added to the game. Most recently, the conversion from set levels to scaling all content. Before that CR was added for all players as was the Justice system. You're not forced to subscribe to gain access to new features. You are only required to cough up cash in order to get access to all new goodies. Which is a very different question. If you're wondering, do you need to cough up cash in order to gain access to every bit of added content, then, yes, that is true. But I don't think anyone questioned that.

Trust me, I've seen MMOs where the devs force you towards the cash shop. ESO is not one of those.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

No.

Reykice wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The TG assistant is locked behind dlc
It doesn't matter IF the assistant is used or desired.

Literally it can only be accessed IF you sub or buy crowns.

So therefore in terms of the context of this thread and the OP and the person you tagged.

The poll response is YES because you are "forced" to buy crowns or sub to get access to the dlc which contains the added assistant.

Okay, so, there's two separate questions wandering through all of this:

Does the game require you to spend real money in order to access premium content that is not part of the base game?

Does the game force you to spend real money?

On the first question... yeah, kinda. I mean, that's how DLC works. Of course, at the same time, notice how many people were actually upset when the last wave of new stuff was available to everyone, and not a DLC.

At the same time, it is entirely possible for free players to gain access to some DLC content, like crafted sets, if they're aided by someone who is a subscriber or owns the DLC. And, again, it feels like the complaints on this front are cherry picked because, there have been updates and new features that are available to non-subscribers. Not everything goes into a system that is cash gated.

Does the game force you to do so? And, before you protest this, that is implied in the original question. With housing, that's a no. With One Tamriel... no. With some DLC sets? No. It's more convenient, but it isn't mandatory. Now if you want the BoP sets from a DLC zone, then you'd need to go in there yourself. Ironically, even this isn't an automatic statement. If you're after a DLC monster helm you can (theoretically) wait for The Golden to carry it, and buy it for free.

If you simply want to know if you have to pay money to access paid content, then yes. But, at that point the original question becomes seriously misleading. So, no, you're not forced to do anything on this subject. Enticed? Sure. Look at all these goodies you get. But you're not forced.

@starkerealm

Im reading all these comments and so many after the first page have jumped off onto their own ideas.

Just read the OP. It's not two questions.
Itsone simple question that is responded to as yes or no.

"Added features" is the context. And they even give examples which when looking at where and how to obtain "added features" it does require you to buy or sub and both result in crowns.

The answer is always yes because no one can access any "added features" without paying for a sub or buying crowns. The crown store is if someone decides not to sub but wants acces to added features. Some added features aren't accessible without a sub.

So if anyone is playing the vanilla game minus some of the base game added features which are locked behind a sub or dlc, it's no.

It's really that simple. Don't confuse the question because you can't get it otherwise.

Now as time passes u may be able to access some items but that's not the topic. It's features.

I think i made the question too complicated because i doubt they are all unsubbed and with no DLC.

They just don't get what you explained... but some are sure ready to fight over something they do not understand. :-)

there is a difference between understanding and agreeing.

do i understand the op? yes.

do i agree with it (or the convoluted 'explanations' since)? no.

Sure it can be that. I take it you did not sub or buy Crowns yet?

Or if you did it was purely to support the game not because you wanted to have access to something thus being forced to buy it.

Anyway somebody should make a better poll.

you still don't get it?

i continue to sub because i choose to. the main reason for that is recognizing economic reality. for any business and any product there has to be a revenue stream to keep whatever it is viable. i enjoy playing the game so i am happy to pay for it.

there is no external compulsion or coercion.... i am not forced to do it.

(waiting for the cod psychologists to chime in with something about stockholm syndrome now...)

Reykice · January 2017

Yes.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The TG assistant is locked behind dlc
It doesn't matter IF the assistant is used or desired.

Literally it can only be accessed IF you sub or buy crowns.

So therefore in terms of the context of this thread and the OP and the person you tagged.

The poll response is YES because you are "forced" to buy crowns or sub to get access to the dlc which contains the added assistant.

Okay, so, there's two separate questions wandering through all of this:

Does the game require you to spend real money in order to access premium content that is not part of the base game?

Does the game force you to spend real money?

On the first question... yeah, kinda. I mean, that's how DLC works. Of course, at the same time, notice how many people were actually upset when the last wave of new stuff was available to everyone, and not a DLC.

At the same time, it is entirely possible for free players to gain access to some DLC content, like crafted sets, if they're aided by someone who is a subscriber or owns the DLC. And, again, it feels like the complaints on this front are cherry picked because, there have been updates and new features that are available to non-subscribers. Not everything goes into a system that is cash gated.

Does the game force you to do so? And, before you protest this, that is implied in the original question. With housing, that's a no. With One Tamriel... no. With some DLC sets? No. It's more convenient, but it isn't mandatory. Now if you want the BoP sets from a DLC zone, then you'd need to go in there yourself. Ironically, even this isn't an automatic statement. If you're after a DLC monster helm you can (theoretically) wait for The Golden to carry it, and buy it for free.

If you simply want to know if you have to pay money to access paid content, then yes. But, at that point the original question becomes seriously misleading. So, no, you're not forced to do anything on this subject. Enticed? Sure. Look at all these goodies you get. But you're not forced.

@starkerealm

Im reading all these comments and so many after the first page have jumped off onto their own ideas.

Just read the OP. It's not two questions.
Itsone simple question that is responded to as yes or no.

"Added features" is the context. And they even give examples which when looking at where and how to obtain "added features" it does require you to buy or sub and both result in crowns.

The answer is always yes because no one can access any "added features" without paying for a sub or buying crowns. The crown store is if someone decides not to sub but wants acces to added features. Some added features aren't accessible without a sub.

So if anyone is playing the vanilla game minus some of the base game added features which are locked behind a sub or dlc, it's no.

It's really that simple. Don't confuse the question because you can't get it otherwise.

Now as time passes u may be able to access some items but that's not the topic. It's features.

I think i made the question too complicated because i doubt they are all unsubbed and with no DLC.

They just don't get what you explained... but some are sure ready to fight over something they do not understand. :-)

there is a difference between understanding and agreeing.

do i understand the op? yes.

do i agree with it (or the convoluted 'explanations' since)? no.

Sure it can be that. I take it you did not sub or buy Crowns yet?

Or if you did it was purely to support the game not because you wanted to have access to something thus being forced to buy it.

Anyway somebody should make a better poll.

you still don't get it?

i continue to sub because i choose to. the main reason for that is recognizing economic reality. for any business and any product there has to be a revenue stream to keep whatever it is viable. i enjoy playing the game so i am happy to pay for it.

there is no external compulsion or coercion.... i am not forced to do it.

(waiting for the cod psychologists to chime in with something about stockholm syndrome now...)

I get it i sub too. But it went from sub being enough to now sub getting you to little from the store.

Its also your perception that you are not forced, but would you play the game with no crafting bag and the other sub perks? Would it still be equally enjoyable?

Do you not see the Store creeping into things more and more? First motifs, then xp pots and so on. And if you say the new xp pots can be gained in the game, yes sure but the time it takes to get them is longer than any time saved by using them so it defeats the purpose of the time saving item.

All their design does is figure out what else can be made hard to get in the game so you get it in the store. In other games gear is hard to get, here gear is easy, you can be full legendary in like 10% of the cost for a Manor and also cheaper than a lot of the motifs.

So think man, why is that stuff more expensive than Legendary Gear? Because its also in the Store and they need to give you a reason to get it from the Store and the reason is its really hard to get in the game. And all that after you pay your sub and purchased the game. They have enough, they just want more and as long as people defend their purely for profit changes, they will keep doing them and the game will end up being more and more Store focused and less content will be added.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

No.

Reykice wrote: »

Its also your perception that you are not forced, but would you play the game with no crafting bag and the other sub perks? Would it still be equally enjoyable?

I played the game before crafting bag was introduced, and yes, it was enjoyable.

Do you not see the Store creeping into things more and more? First motifs, then xp pots and so on. And if you say the new xp pots can be gained in the game, yes sure but the time it takes to get them is longer than any time saved by using them so it defeats the purpose of the time saving item.

Well, I also dislike crown-exclusive motifs, but gold is extremely easy to get in this game.
And there's a huge inflation so they had to introduce some kind of gold sink.

So think man, why is that stuff more expensive than Legendary Gear? Because its also in the Store and they need to give you a reason to get it from the Store and the reason is its really hard to get in the game. And all that after you pay your sub and purchased the game. They have enough, they just want more and as long as people defend their purely for profit changes, they will keep doing them and the game will end up being more and more Store focused and less content will be added.

Because gear affects balance and power gap between players.
Houses, on the other hand, dont affect anything. They dont even give you extra storage. Its a purely cosmetic feature.
Gear should be available for everyone, but manors are meant to be luxury.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

No.

Reykice wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The TG assistant is locked behind dlc
It doesn't matter IF the assistant is used or desired.

Literally it can only be accessed IF you sub or buy crowns.

So therefore in terms of the context of this thread and the OP and the person you tagged.

The poll response is YES because you are "forced" to buy crowns or sub to get access to the dlc which contains the added assistant.

Okay, so, there's two separate questions wandering through all of this:

Does the game require you to spend real money in order to access premium content that is not part of the base game?

Does the game force you to spend real money?

On the first question... yeah, kinda. I mean, that's how DLC works. Of course, at the same time, notice how many people were actually upset when the last wave of new stuff was available to everyone, and not a DLC.

At the same time, it is entirely possible for free players to gain access to some DLC content, like crafted sets, if they're aided by someone who is a subscriber or owns the DLC. And, again, it feels like the complaints on this front are cherry picked because, there have been updates and new features that are available to non-subscribers. Not everything goes into a system that is cash gated.

Does the game force you to do so? And, before you protest this, that is implied in the original question. With housing, that's a no. With One Tamriel... no. With some DLC sets? No. It's more convenient, but it isn't mandatory. Now if you want the BoP sets from a DLC zone, then you'd need to go in there yourself. Ironically, even this isn't an automatic statement. If you're after a DLC monster helm you can (theoretically) wait for The Golden to carry it, and buy it for free.

If you simply want to know if you have to pay money to access paid content, then yes. But, at that point the original question becomes seriously misleading. So, no, you're not forced to do anything on this subject. Enticed? Sure. Look at all these goodies you get. But you're not forced.

@starkerealm

Im reading all these comments and so many after the first page have jumped off onto their own ideas.

Just read the OP. It's not two questions.
Itsone simple question that is responded to as yes or no.

"Added features" is the context. And they even give examples which when looking at where and how to obtain "added features" it does require you to buy or sub and both result in crowns.

The answer is always yes because no one can access any "added features" without paying for a sub or buying crowns. The crown store is if someone decides not to sub but wants acces to added features. Some added features aren't accessible without a sub.

So if anyone is playing the vanilla game minus some of the base game added features which are locked behind a sub or dlc, it's no.

It's really that simple. Don't confuse the question because you can't get it otherwise.

Now as time passes u may be able to access some items but that's not the topic. It's features.

I think i made the question too complicated because i doubt they are all unsubbed and with no DLC.

They just don't get what you explained... but some are sure ready to fight over something they do not understand. :-)

there is a difference between understanding and agreeing.

do i understand the op? yes.

do i agree with it (or the convoluted 'explanations' since)? no.

Sure it can be that. I take it you did not sub or buy Crowns yet?

Or if you did it was purely to support the game not because you wanted to have access to something thus being forced to buy it.

Anyway somebody should make a better poll.

you still don't get it?

i continue to sub because i choose to. the main reason for that is recognizing economic reality. for any business and any product there has to be a revenue stream to keep whatever it is viable. i enjoy playing the game so i am happy to pay for it.

there is no external compulsion or coercion.... i am not forced to do it.

(waiting for the cod psychologists to chime in with something about stockholm syndrome now...)

I get it i sub too. But it went from sub being enough to now sub getting you to little from the store.

Its also your perception that you are not forced, but would you play the game with no crafting bag and the other sub perks? Would it still be equally enjoyable?

Do you not see the Store creeping into things more and more? First motifs, then xp pots and so on. And if you say the new xp pots can be gained in the game, yes sure but the time it takes to get them is longer than any time saved by using them so it defeats the purpose of the time saving item.

All their design does is figure out what else can be made hard to get in the game so you get it in the store. In other games gear is hard to get, here gear is easy, you can be full legendary in like 10% of the cost for a Manor and also cheaper than a lot of the motifs.

So think man, why is that stuff more expensive than Legendary Gear? Because its also in the Store and they need to give you a reason to get it from the Store and the reason is its really hard to get in the game. And all that after you pay your sub and purchased the game. They have enough, they just want more and as long as people defend their purely for profit changes, they will keep doing them and the game will end up being more and more Store focused and less content will be added.

you say "I get it i sub too. But it went from sub being enough to now sub getting you to little from the store." what does that mean? sub never used to get you anything from the store.... there was no store.

i played this game from the start... and enjoyed it.

of course it's my perception (the one that counts) who else's perception should i have?

as far as the store goes i don't much use it. why? because there is nothing in there that i want.

and you sjw stance that a business trying to make a profit is bad is just laughable.

Stovahkiin · January 2017

No.

My face when I came back this morning and saw even more posts claiming that we're forced to sub and that Zeni is the most evil company ever because they need money to support themselves:

Kodrac · January 2017

No.

Gorgoneus wrote: »

So many lackeys voting "no" because they belive this will make them "better" then other people or belive they will be rewarded by ZoS perhaps?
But lets talk true: this is one of the most expensive MMOS I ever seen: you must buy client, subscription and lot a crowns, if you wont play "trial" game. Just look at prices for mounts (in fact - you cant obtain any mounts but horses without crowns) and houses and you'll see.
But of course you better will pretend to be insulted by "poore people" who dont understand anything in this world (and this game especially) and all things here are fine and you just didnt know how to spend more moneys from your owerfulled pockets and show ZoS how loyal you are. Just dont forget this is B2P game, not F2P.
PS: just for the trolls who simulating blindeness - I got preordered emp. edition and subscription for a whyle, but I still havnt any mounts but horse and have not enough ingame gold to buy house larger then medium. And I dont think I must grind guild stores 24/7, because I not suppose to play any "corean" MMO.

TL;DR i want everything for free

Zouni · January 2017

No.

Not at all. Everything I purchased from crown store I could do without.

RebornV3x · January 2017

Yes.

It's definitely going that way but everything is cosmetic so your not forced to buy anything

Kodrac · January 2017

No.

The reason there's so many houses and some with high prices is because they're gold and time sinks. They're incentives for you to work towards, objectives to keep you playing. They don't want you to have them all right away. They did that intentionally; not for crown purchases but for longevity. That's it, but y'all feel the need to create conspiracy theories to justify your need to have everything now with as little effort as possible.

The only thing you're "forced" (and I use that term loosely) to do is play the game for longer. However, they know there are people that have little patience so they made the crown store option to capitalize upon. But continue making conspiracy theories. They're at least more entertaining than my job.

Stovahkiin · January 2017

No.

Kodrac wrote: »

The reason there's so many houses and some with high prices is because they're gold and time sinks. They're incentives for you to work towards, objectives to keep you playing. They don't want you to have them all right away. They did that intentionally; not for crown purchases but for longevity. That's it, but y'all feel the need to create conspiracy theories to justify your need to have everything now with as little effort as possible.

The only thing you're "forced" (and I use that term loosely) to do is play the game for longer. However, they know there are people that have little patience so they made the crown store option to capitalize upon. But continue making conspiracy theories. They're at least more entertaining than my job.

At least the people who sell tin foil hats earn plenty of money after threads like this are made

dday3six · January 2017

I would say more that the game is designed and will continue to be designed around promoting the Crown Store.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2017

Yes.

It's the business model that this game is slowly changing to that I object to the most.

I don't mind paying for quality content. That's the old model of buying a game. You pay $$, you get Xhours of entertainment with unlimited replayability. That was a good deal.

I even don't mind the subscription model. You pay $$ per month, you get continual high quality content added to the game.

What I dislike is the Pay-for-Convenience model. This is the model a lot of "freemium" mobile games have. The game is either cheap to buy or free, but to be competitive or successful is a complete unabashed time sink that you can alleviate by paying real money.

Is this the direction Elder Scrolls Online is going? Lets see..

You can pick the base game up for $10 now.
Then you pay about $50 more for added functionality like "any race, any alliance" and the imperial race.
Then you pay even more for all of the DLCs or subscribe.
Housing is really crown intensive or you can waste tons of purple and gold upgrade mats to make one cup for your table in your house. Or you can buy that cup for $4 at the crown store.

Four dollars for a digital cup. I don't mind paying money for things but I want those things to be worth the money. ZOS's offerings in the crown store aren't worth it but not buying them limits what you can do with housing and how long it takes you to do it.

Mx13 · January 2017

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

It's the business model that this game is slowly changing to that I object to the most.

I don't mind paying for quality content. That's the old model of buying a game. You pay $$, you get Xhours of entertainment with unlimited replayability. That was a good deal.

I even don't mind the subscription model. You pay $$ per month, you get continual high quality content added to the game.

What I dislike is the Pay-for-Convenience model. This is the model a lot of "freemium" mobile games have. The game is either cheap to buy or free, but to be competitive or successful is a complete unabashed time sink that you can alleviate by paying real money.

Is this the direction Elder Scrolls Online is going? Lets see..
You can pick the base game up for $10 now.

Then you pay about $50 more for added functionality like "any race, any alliance" and the imperial race.

Then you pay even more for all of the DLCs or subscribe.

Housing is really crown intensive or you can waste tons of purple and gold upgrade mats to make one cup for your table in your house. Or you can buy that cup for $4 at the crown store.

Four dollars for a digital cup. I don't mind paying money for things but I want those things to be worth the money. ZOS's offerings in the crown store aren't worth it but not buying them limits what you can do with housing and how long it takes you to do it.

You dont need "tons of purple and gold upgrade mats to make one cup for your table in your house" tho, you need like 3-6 purple mats for epic quality furniture and besides the master writ vendor stuff you dont need legendary mats.

kaiage · January 2017

No.

I for one don't have a lot of extra time to spend on farming gold. When I was unemployed believe me I had the time to farm gold to buy wow tokens with (in wow.) But I for one like the convenience of being able to spend dollars on the store and get rewards.

I don't think it's forcing you to buy crowns if you have the gold no reason to use the crown store.

QUEZ420 · January 2017

No.

Reykice wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.

If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.

So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?

Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?

Housing is completely optional n b completely avoided n not hinder ur gameplay one bit, it hasn't in 3 yrs so yeaaa if u want it buy it if not move on, done deal.

Graydon · January 2017

No.

I've never been forced into buying something.
Pressured? Yes.
ZOS does neither.
If I like something, I purchase it. If I don't want to buy something....I don't buy it.

rotaugen454 · January 2017

I was kinda forced to buy my wife a wedding ring or she would have said no.

Stovahkiin · January 2017

No.

To all the yes voters:

starkerealm · January 2017

No.

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I was kinda forced to buy my wife a wedding ring or she would have said no.

Congrats. I inherited the one I'll be giving... someday.

thisisScoMan · January 2017

No.

None of the items in the crown store are a "must have"

And not everything should be handed to you on a silver platter.

If you want something in games, sometimes you have to work or grind for it.

Or take the shortcut and buy it.

Iselin · January 2017

Yes.

Mx13 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

It's the business model that this game is slowly changing to that I object to the most.

I don't mind paying for quality content. That's the old model of buying a game. You pay $$, you get Xhours of entertainment with unlimited replayability. That was a good deal.

I even don't mind the subscription model. You pay $$ per month, you get continual high quality content added to the game.

What I dislike is the Pay-for-Convenience model. This is the model a lot of "freemium" mobile games have. The game is either cheap to buy or free, but to be competitive or successful is a complete unabashed time sink that you can alleviate by paying real money.

Is this the direction Elder Scrolls Online is going? Lets see..
You can pick the base game up for $10 now.

Then you pay about $50 more for added functionality like "any race, any alliance" and the imperial race.

Then you pay even more for all of the DLCs or subscribe.

Housing is really crown intensive or you can waste tons of purple and gold upgrade mats to make one cup for your table in your house. Or you can buy that cup for $4 at the crown store.

Four dollars for a digital cup. I don't mind paying money for things but I want those things to be worth the money. ZOS's offerings in the crown store aren't worth it but not buying them limits what you can do with housing and how long it takes you to do it.

You dont need "tons of purple and gold upgrade mats to make one cup for your table in your house" tho, you need like 3-6 purple mats for epic quality furniture and besides the master writ vendor stuff you dont need legendary mats.

Who told you that? The master writs do require legendary mats before you even get a voucher to get at the recipes and items from that vendor.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · January 2017

No.

Unless ZOS comes to my house and puts a gun to my head and tells me to buy crowns or they will pull the trigger I will not be forced to buy crowns. I choose to buy crowns and subscribe because I support the game and I like a lot of the stuff in the crown store.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

Yes.

starkerealm wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The TG assistant is locked behind dlc
It doesn't matter IF the assistant is used or desired.

Literally it can only be accessed IF you sub or buy crowns.

So therefore in terms of the context of this thread and the OP and the person you tagged.

The poll response is YES because you are "forced" to buy crowns or sub to get access to the dlc which contains the added assistant.

Okay, so, there's two separate questions wandering through all of this:

Does the game require you to spend real money in order to access premium content that is not part of the base game?

Does the game force you to spend real money?

On the first question... yeah, kinda. I mean, that's how DLC works. Of course, at the same time, notice how many people were actually upset when the last wave of new stuff was available to everyone, and not a DLC.

At the same time, it is entirely possible for free players to gain access to some DLC content, like crafted sets, if they're aided by someone who is a subscriber or owns the DLC. And, again, it feels like the complaints on this front are cherry picked because, there have been updates and new features that are available to non-subscribers. Not everything goes into a system that is cash gated.

Does the game force you to do so? And, before you protest this, that is implied in the original question. With housing, that's a no. With One Tamriel... no. With some DLC sets? No. It's more convenient, but it isn't mandatory. Now if you want the BoP sets from a DLC zone, then you'd need to go in there yourself. Ironically, even this isn't an automatic statement. If you're after a DLC monster helm you can (theoretically) wait for The Golden to carry it, and buy it for free.

If you simply want to know if you have to pay money to access paid content, then yes. But, at that point the original question becomes seriously misleading. So, no, you're not forced to do anything on this subject. Enticed? Sure. Look at all these goodies you get. But you're not forced.

@starkerealm

Im reading all these comments and so many after the first page have jumped off onto their own ideas.

Just read the OP. It's not two questions.
Itsone simple question that is responded to as yes or no.

"Added features" is the context. And they even give examples which when looking at where and how to obtain "added features" it does require you to buy or sub and both result in crowns.

The answer is always yes because no one can access any "added features" without paying for a sub or buying crowns. The crown store is if someone decides not to sub but wants acces to added features. Some added features aren't accessible without a sub.

So if anyone is playing the vanilla game minus some of the base game added features which are locked behind a sub or dlc, it's no.

It's really that simple. Don't confuse the question because you can't get it otherwise.

Now as time passes u may be able to access some items but that's not the topic. It's features.

Then, you're mistaken and the answer is, in fact, "no," as there have been free features added to the game. Most recently, the conversion from set levels to scaling all content. Before that CR was added for all players as was the Justice system. You're not forced to subscribe to gain access to new features. You are only required to cough up cash in order to get access to all new goodies. Which is a very different question. If you're wondering, do you need to cough up cash in order to gain access to every bit of added content, then, yes, that is true. But I don't think anyone questioned that.

Trust me, I've seen MMOs where the devs force you towards the cash shop. ESO is not one of those.

@starkerealm
You're trying to change the context.

It's features, plural. Not one feature or certain ones

Added features whether they are locked behind dlc or locked behind a sub require us to either buy the dlc or to sub depending.

That means the answer of "no" can only apply to a player who has never subscribed or who has never purchased crowns.

Part of this we agree on but we are saying things from a different perspective. That's the part where choice applies to not play certain parts.

Where we seem to differ is regarding added features locked behind either a sub or dlc.

STEVIL · January 2017

No.

Reykice wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The TG assistant is locked behind dlc
It doesn't matter IF the assistant is used or desired.

Literally it can only be accessed IF you sub or buy crowns.

So therefore in terms of the context of this thread and the OP and the person you tagged.

The poll response is YES because you are "forced" to buy crowns or sub to get access to the dlc which contains the added assistant.

Okay, so, there's two separate questions wandering through all of this:

Does the game require you to spend real money in order to access premium content that is not part of the base game?

Does the game force you to spend real money?

On the first question... yeah, kinda. I mean, that's how DLC works. Of course, at the same time, notice how many people were actually upset when the last wave of new stuff was available to everyone, and not a DLC.

At the same time, it is entirely possible for free players to gain access to some DLC content, like crafted sets, if they're aided by someone who is a subscriber or owns the DLC. And, again, it feels like the complaints on this front are cherry picked because, there have been updates and new features that are available to non-subscribers. Not everything goes into a system that is cash gated.

Does the game force you to do so? And, before you protest this, that is implied in the original question. With housing, that's a no. With One Tamriel... no. With some DLC sets? No. It's more convenient, but it isn't mandatory. Now if you want the BoP sets from a DLC zone, then you'd need to go in there yourself. Ironically, even this isn't an automatic statement. If you're after a DLC monster helm you can (theoretically) wait for The Golden to carry it, and buy it for free.

If you simply want to know if you have to pay money to access paid content, then yes. But, at that point the original question becomes seriously misleading. So, no, you're not forced to do anything on this subject. Enticed? Sure. Look at all these goodies you get. But you're not forced.

@starkerealm

Im reading all these comments and so many after the first page have jumped off onto their own ideas.

Just read the OP. It's not two questions.
Itsone simple question that is responded to as yes or no.

"Added features" is the context. And they even give examples which when looking at where and how to obtain "added features" it does require you to buy or sub and both result in crowns.

The answer is always yes because no one can access any "added features" without paying for a sub or buying crowns. The crown store is if someone decides not to sub but wants acces to added features. Some added features aren't accessible without a sub.

So if anyone is playing the vanilla game minus some of the base game added features which are locked behind a sub or dlc, it's no.

It's really that simple. Don't confuse the question because you can't get it otherwise.

Now as time passes u may be able to access some items but that's not the topic. It's features.

I think i made the question too complicated because i doubt they are all unsubbed and with no DLC.

They just don't get what you explained... but some are sure ready to fight over something they do not understand. :-)

there is a difference between understanding and agreeing.

do i understand the op? yes.

do i agree with it (or the convoluted 'explanations' since)? no.

Sure it can be that. I take it you did not sub or buy Crowns yet?

Or if you did it was purely to support the game not because you wanted to have access to something thus being forced to buy it.

Anyway somebody should make a better poll.

Sorry to bust your bubble but, yesterday i bought pizza but papa johns did not force me to do so by offering it.

i have subbed since day 1 and bought extra crowns and bought things from the store and will continue but in spite of how that gets construed between your ears that in no way means the game was built to force me to do those things - well, outside of the early period when sub or else no game.

Choosing to buy something and being forced to buy something are very very different, just like engaging in relations with someone by choice and being forced to do so are very different things to with substantially different repercussions.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2017

Yes.

Mx13 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

It's the business model that this game is slowly changing to that I object to the most.

I don't mind paying for quality content. That's the old model of buying a game. You pay $$, you get Xhours of entertainment with unlimited replayability. That was a good deal.

I even don't mind the subscription model. You pay $$ per month, you get continual high quality content added to the game.

What I dislike is the Pay-for-Convenience model. This is the model a lot of "freemium" mobile games have. The game is either cheap to buy or free, but to be competitive or successful is a complete unabashed time sink that you can alleviate by paying real money.

Is this the direction Elder Scrolls Online is going? Lets see..
You can pick the base game up for $10 now.

Then you pay about $50 more for added functionality like "any race, any alliance" and the imperial race.

Then you pay even more for all of the DLCs or subscribe.

Housing is really crown intensive or you can waste tons of purple and gold upgrade mats to make one cup for your table in your house. Or you can buy that cup for $4 at the crown store.

Four dollars for a digital cup. I don't mind paying money for things but I want those things to be worth the money. ZOS's offerings in the crown store aren't worth it but not buying them limits what you can do with housing and how long it takes you to do it.

You dont need "tons of purple and gold upgrade mats to make one cup for your table in your house" tho, you need like 3-6 purple mats for epic quality furniture and besides the master writ vendor stuff you dont need legendary mats.

You are not thinking large scale here. Everyone is going to want to make these furnishings so this will put lots of pressure on the ecomony and yes, TONS of purple mats that used to go to improving gear will now be used for crafting, which will increase the cost of all of these tempers for everyone.

So even if you never intend to buy a house or furnish it with meaningless crap, other people doing so will increase the cost of crafting gear for you. Add in all the disgusting price speculators that are already buying up tempers to spike the prices and the economy will be a nightmare for a while.

zuto40 · January 2017

No.

the only thing hard to get is a house, and that adds no value to combat in pve or pvp, you are not forced to buy anything to be competitive, everything is either cosmetic or convenience, play arch age if you wanna see a game that really forces you to pay to be competitive