DM_ESO wrote: »

How is a house hard to get? I made enough for the first tier of house in one session the other day and I wasn't even trying. If I make even a tiny effort to play every day, even casually, I'll have enough to get a big house, or several smaller ones before homestead even comes out.

The bigger houses are long term goals to work towards, and the really big ones are meant for guilds to purchase together.

Exactly, but apparently people think they should be able to buy all of the houses within a month or two; which would make housing extremely un-unique since everyone would have exactly what everyone else has with minimal effort required to do so.

Solid_Metal wrote: »

DM_ESO wrote: »

How is a house hard to get? I made enough for the first tier of house in one session the other day and I wasn't even trying. If I make even a tiny effort to play every day, even casually, I'll have enough to get a big house, or several smaller ones before homestead even comes out.

The bigger houses are long term goals to work towards, and the really big ones are meant for guilds to purchase together.

people like OP and that agree with this thread is very spoiled, they want everything easy, then complain of the lack unique item, or challange, or gold sink or whatever really

when they not patient/can't afford the things that not means for "normal" players, they will buy it from crown store and claim "ZoS is trapping playerzzzz, force us to buy from crown store!!!, hur dur~ "

i seriously pissed of people like this, we all hate ZoS gut, but give them credit when they deserve it, this housing pricing is perfect and extremely fair for what they are

You just made up some *** said its me then said you hate it... stop posting on drugs. Also its a debate, its impersonal, only the uneducated think this is some kind of them vs anyone.

That said i have enough for 1 manor not sure i care enough about it to buy... but i do worry about the game so i made a poll to see if others feel the Crown Store is the priority now and not the game.

So debate that stop having fantasies about me...

house, easy enough to get.

furnishing it is another matter.

rather like motifs without mats.

Reykice wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.

If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.

So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?

Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?

What house is 25 mill ? None i was aware of

Osteos wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

What it comes down to is that this MMO is also a full fledged business. You must have known when you started playing that there would be optional features that Zeni would charge for. ALL MMOs have things like that in one form or another.

If you aren't prepared or capable of paying for those kinds of things then why would you still expect to get them? Zeni allows you to have access to the base game for free forever after you make the initial purchase of the game. If you want more things after that (those things take time and money for Zeni to make) then you have to be prepared to pay for them.

If you can't at least acknowledge that then MMOs clearly aren't for you, and you need to go find a nice, one-time-purchase single player game.

Ah that good ole "it's a business" cliche. They are ALL businesses. They have ALL always been businesses. Yet you have a game like FFARR that use the sub model for both PC and console.

And that's just an example. I'm not necessarily saying that subs are better than B2P or F2P simply that different business models are viable ways to monetize an MMO. So saying "it's a business" is not really saying anything about the way that this one is monetized.

So, as a good business tactic, Zeni should start giving away even more things for free? There are multiple other MMOs out there that are WAY worse than Zeni in this regard, and yet all of you are crying about how greedy Zeni is. If you hate it with such a passion and it bothers you so much then either; don't participate in it, or leave.

The only one getting emotional here is you little buddy.

There ARE things worthy of criticism even in the things we like... unless you're a blind zealot, that is.

The drop rate of Aetherial ciphers and dust to name just one that is designed to steer you to the cash shop for example.

Exactly.... its getting worse and worse... stuff made to be hard to get to make you use the store.

But i guess many will not see it until its something that they really want or feel they need. As long as its not something they specifically feel they want or need the problem does not exist as far as they know.

It's going to be a rude awakening for many after housing goes live and they see the drop rate of furniture crafting recipes and the material requirements to make even the simplest housing furnishing.

I have a feeling that housing will matter to many of those who are currently oblivious to the change in direction to steer us to the cash shop more aggressively.

Why do you need to have every furniture crafting "recipe" right away? Could you cook every recipe in game right away? Could you make any style of armor with any trait right away? Fact is you don't NEED to. You WANT to.

Who said anything about having "every furniture crafting recipe"? Fact is that drop rates are much, much lower than provisioning recipes, the drop rates for all the new mats they require are very low and the mat requirements for crafting them are very high. There is no relationship between that type of crafting and any current crafting. It's a whole different level of crafting and grind.

But hey, unlike most other crafting, there is cash shop relief... pull out your wallet and enjoy!

SantieClaws wrote: »

Forced no.

But encouraged certainly yes.

The housing system as it stands makes it very difficult for new players to fully participate and decorate their homes to any reasonably desirable standard yes.

The crown store enables a massive shortcut to this by offering houses and all the furniture. The imagination limited only by the wallet yes.

This one she wonders if the system was designed to be so material and time intensive as to make the store seem the preferable option yes?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Agree!

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.

If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.

So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?

Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?

Is there actually a house on the pts that costs that much or are you making that number up to make you feel better about your arguement? I haven't been on the pts myself but the most I've heard of a house costing was like 3m

I am also wondering where this "25 million" value is coming from...

They should add more incentive to the existing achievement system by improving rewards. Yes , we should gain crowns or crown items also in the game . How about gaining crowns every 500 achievement points earned in the game?
How about gaining a mount or a furniture every 1500 achievement points?

Just as an example ..look at Guild Wars 2 : https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Achievement_rewards


English is not my native language.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The TG assistant is locked behind dlc
It doesn't matter IF the assistant is used or desired.

Literally it can only be accessed IF you sub or buy crowns.

So therefore in terms of the context of this thread and the OP and the person you tagged.

The poll response is YES because you are "forced" to buy crowns or sub to get access to the dlc which contains the added assistant.

Okay, so, there's two separate questions wandering through all of this:

Does the game require you to spend real money in order to access premium content that is not part of the base game?

Does the game force you to spend real money?

On the first question... yeah, kinda. I mean, that's how DLC works. Of course, at the same time, notice how many people were actually upset when the last wave of new stuff was available to everyone, and not a DLC.

At the same time, it is entirely possible for free players to gain access to some DLC content, like crafted sets, if they're aided by someone who is a subscriber or owns the DLC. And, again, it feels like the complaints on this front are cherry picked because, there have been updates and new features that are available to non-subscribers. Not everything goes into a system that is cash gated.

Does the game force you to do so? And, before you protest this, that is implied in the original question. With housing, that's a no. With One Tamriel... no. With some DLC sets? No. It's more convenient, but it isn't mandatory. Now if you want the BoP sets from a DLC zone, then you'd need to go in there yourself. Ironically, even this isn't an automatic statement. If you're after a DLC monster helm you can (theoretically) wait for The Golden to carry it, and buy it for free.

If you simply want to know if you have to pay money to access paid content, then yes. But, at that point the original question becomes seriously misleading. So, no, you're not forced to do anything on this subject. Enticed? Sure. Look at all these goodies you get. But you're not forced.

inflaburwb17_ESO wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

DM_ESO wrote: »

How is a house hard to get? I made enough for the first tier of house in one session the other day and I wasn't even trying. If I make even a tiny effort to play every day, even casually, I'll have enough to get a big house, or several smaller ones before homestead even comes out.

The bigger houses are long term goals to work towards, and the really big ones are meant for guilds to purchase together.

Exactly, but apparently people think they should be able to buy all of the houses within a month or two; which would make housing extremely un-unique since everyone would have exactly what everyone else has with minimal effort required to do so.

Its the sense of entitlement that prevails today. No one wants to work for anything. They just want it on a silver platter. And if they can't obtain it easily (ie grind for gold) or afford to buy it (ie Crown store purchases) then there must surely be something wrong with the system (ZOS).

THIS, this so much.

Most cash items are there just to make your character look pretty. They are even releasing free DLCs now, such as One Tamriel and Homestead. So no, Crown Store is just fine. Like someone said before, try taking a look at some Korean games like Lineage II for example, where you can only buy a certain type of overpowered item (if you played you may remember: brooch system, more specifically, Topaz gem) from cash shop, that could be used against any player.

Trust me, ESO is NOT pay2win in any form or way.

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

DM_ESO wrote: »

How is a house hard to get? I made enough for the first tier of house in one session the other day and I wasn't even trying. If I make even a tiny effort to play every day, even casually, I'll have enough to get a big house, or several smaller ones before homestead even comes out.

The bigger houses are long term goals to work towards, and the really big ones are meant for guilds to purchase together.

people like OP and that agree with this thread is very spoiled, they want everything easy, then complain of the lack unique item, or challange, or gold sink or whatever really

when they not patient/can't afford the things that not means for "normal" players, they will buy it from crown store and claim "ZoS is trapping playerzzzz, force us to buy from crown store!!!, hur dur~ "

i seriously pissed of people like this, we all hate ZoS gut, but give them credit when they deserve it, this housing pricing is perfect and extremely fair for what they are

You just made up some *** said its me then said you hate it... stop posting on drugs. Also its a debate, its impersonal, only the uneducated think this is some kind of them vs anyone.

That said i have enough for 1 manor not sure i care enough about it to buy... but i do worry about the game so i made a poll to see if others feel the Crown Store is the priority now and not the game.

So debate that stop having fantasies about me...

"So here is my logic: everything they add now is so hard to get in the game... like the new XP Potion or Houses or Furniture... that unless you are one of the most hardcore players you will most likely not get it."

probably not you that i hate, but certaintly your logic that want everything easy in the game

Grinding does not make it hard, just boring.

Hard is stuff like VMA and it was good content.

But if i say go make 25 mil is it hard? No... just tedious and really boring.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The TG assistant is locked behind dlc
It doesn't matter IF the assistant is used or desired.

Literally it can only be accessed IF you sub or buy crowns.

So therefore in terms of the context of this thread and the OP and the person you tagged.

The poll response is YES because you are "forced" to buy crowns or sub to get access to the dlc which contains the added assistant.

Okay, so, there's two separate questions wandering through all of this:

Does the game require you to spend real money in order to access premium content that is not part of the base game?

Does the game force you to spend real money?

On the first question... yeah, kinda. I mean, that's how DLC works. Of course, at the same time, notice how many people were actually upset when the last wave of new stuff was available to everyone, and not a DLC.

At the same time, it is entirely possible for free players to gain access to some DLC content, like crafted sets, if they're aided by someone who is a subscriber or owns the DLC. And, again, it feels like the complaints on this front are cherry picked because, there have been updates and new features that are available to non-subscribers. Not everything goes into a system that is cash gated.

Does the game force you to do so? And, before you protest this, that is implied in the original question. With housing, that's a no. With One Tamriel... no. With some DLC sets? No. It's more convenient, but it isn't mandatory. Now if you want the BoP sets from a DLC zone, then you'd need to go in there yourself. Ironically, even this isn't an automatic statement. If you're after a DLC monster helm you can (theoretically) wait for The Golden to carry it, and buy it for free.

If you simply want to know if you have to pay money to access paid content, then yes. But, at that point the original question becomes seriously misleading. So, no, you're not forced to do anything on this subject. Enticed? Sure. Look at all these goodies you get. But you're not forced.

@starkerealm

Im reading all these comments and so many after the first page have jumped off onto their own ideas.

Just read the OP. It's not two questions.
Itsone simple question that is responded to as yes or no.

"Added features" is the context. And they even give examples which when looking at where and how to obtain "added features" it does require you to buy or sub and both result in crowns.

The answer is always yes because no one can access any "added features" without paying for a sub or buying crowns. The crown store is if someone decides not to sub but wants acces to added features. Some added features aren't accessible without a sub.

So if anyone is playing the vanilla game minus some of the base game added features which are locked behind a sub or dlc, it's no.

It's really that simple. Don't confuse the question because you can't get it otherwise.

Now as time passes u may be able to access some items but that's not the topic. It's features.

I think i made the question too complicated because i doubt they are all unsubbed and with no DLC.

They just don't get what you explained... but some are sure ready to fight over something they do not understand. :-)

As an on/off player it doesn't hit me as hard, but it feels as if there have been small design changes to make the subscription more than a purely optional way to get access to a few crowns and DLC content. New mats (poison/furniture) and lots of set drops make it very difficult to have fun without the crafting bag. People used to have a choice whether they preferred buying something (DLCs/cosmetics) or subbing, but someone who spent money in the shop before will now be at a disadvantage and be more or less forced to sub (which makes his DLC purchases worthless, in a way).