It's a gamble, some will try to pay as little as possible for raw mats, some will offer decent prices. I typically refine all mine and then keep my tempers, I use all my supplies and try to keep a stock if I need them.

Chances seem to be roughly 1 in 200 ore or 1 in 20 refines.

Oh, and would u guys ever buy a stack of 200 for a qvaerage price(ore) to refine

It's been my experience that unrefined materials are more consistent sources of revenue compared to refined materials. Here's why. In a typical healthy market (from my PS4 experience), the price of unrefined materials will usually range around the combined cost of one gold temper price plus one stack of refined materials. For example, a stack of rubedite ingot may cost 5k and the tempering alloy may cost 17k. Usually, this puts unrefined rubedite ore at 22k a stack.

If you refine them, you'll likely get less than 200 ingot, a 5% chance at getting a gold temper per 10, and a bunch of other misc. items that may or may not have any value. **I'm under the assumption that research suggests that the drop rate is something like 5%.** Having played the unrefined gambling game, I've been in situations where I've gone through 3 stacks of unrefined materials before getting a gold temper. I've also gotten lucky and gotten 2 in one stack. That's how RNG works.

By selling the unrefined materials at the price mentioned about (price of 1 stack of refined + price of 1 gold temper), you're guaranteeing a profit on those resources that is consistent, compared to being screwed over and gifted by RNGesus.

If the market on your platform sells below price I mentioned above, it's just a matter of your risk-aversion or risk-taking personality. I tend to be risk-averse, which is why I sell the unrefined stuff.

*Edit: updated for more accurate information.

Pandorii wrote: »

It's been my experience that unrefined materials are more consistent sources of revenue compared to refined materials. Here's why. In a typical healthy market (from my PS4 experience), the price of unrefined materials will usually range around the combined cost of one gold temper price plus one stack of refined materials. For example, a stack of rubedite ingot may cost 5k and the tempering alloy may cost 17k. Usually, this puts unrefined rubedite ore at 22k a stack.

If you refine them, you'll likely get less than 200 ingot, a 5% chance at getting a gold temper, and a bunch of other misc. items that may or may not have any value. **I'm under the assumption that research suggests that the drop rate is something like 5%.** Having played the unrefined gambling game, I've been in situations where I've gone through 3 stacks of unrefined materials before getting a gold temper. I've also gotten lucky and gotten 2 in one stack. That's how RNG works.

By selling the unrefined materials at the price mentioned about (price of 1 stack of refined + price of 1 gold temper), you're guaranteeing a profit on those resources that is consistent, compared to being screwed over and gifted by RNGesus.

If the market on your platform sells below price I mentioned above, it's just a matter of your risk-aversion or risk-taking personality. I tend to be risk-averse, which is why I sell the unrefined stuff.

5% per stack of 10 right? Cause it's like 90% per stack of 200

Fyi your luck is horrid. I've had 5 temps from one stack. After 1000s upon 1000s players can confirm average of 1 per 200

I found a 200 stack of rubesite or for 12,663? But only a 5% chance for legendary temper...?

Pandorii wrote: »

@Waffennacht Just did a bit more digging. 5% seems to be an approximate drop rate tempering alloy of refining 10. Yep.

@Pandorii which just makes it all the more sad your luck - im sending some RnG good vibes your way

I bought 200 for 12,663

I got

- 177 rubedite ingots
- 3 dwarven oil
- 1 grain solvent
- 1 tempering alloy
- honing stone
- - miscellaneous trait gems

Is this normal? Or lucky?

If you want to craft furniture, definitely refine. The furniture recipes require large amounts of ingredients, including many style stones you get from refining.

I don't belong to any trading guilds but will offer that as a 'consumer' I prefer to purchase unrefined mats. The reason is the XP and chance of extra stuff that comes from refining them.

Ourorboros wrote: »

If you want to craft furniture, definitely refine. The furniture recipes require large amounts of ingredients, including many style stones you get from refining.

You don't get style mats from refining, only traits.

For refining to be more profitable, you need the passives and also need to be able to sell the refined stacks of mats. That's where crafting sets comes in useful.